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New York Rangers Drop Home Opener To Leafs 4-2

NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 27:  Henrik Lundqvist #30 of the New York Rangers makes a save against the Toronto Maple Leafs during the second period at Madison Square Garden on October 27, 2011 in New York City.  (Photo by Patrick McDermott/Getty Images)

The New York Rangers finally opened at home in front of a buzzing Madison Square Garden crowd tonight. Unfortunately , it wasn't the outcome the Garden faithful wanted. The Rangers came out flying to start the first period, and finally got on the board early coming from Dan Girardi.

The puck scrambled out from in front of the net, and Girardi let a blast go from the top of the circles, which beat Gustavsson through the five-hole. Shortly, after the Rangers would put in two more goals, but they were both waived off almost instantly.

The first goal waived off, was clearly goalie interference on Ryan Callahan. Although, the second one could have gone either way. Callahan was pushed from behind, by the Toronto defenseman, which caused him to bump into the goalie. I personally thought it should have counted.

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At the end of the first period, the Rangers had doubled up Toronto, in shots, and definitely carried the momentum into the locker rooms. Although, that momentum died rather quickly in the second period. Just about a minute into the second period, Matthew Lombardi tied the game up for the Leafs.

It was definitely a goal Henrik Lundqvist would want back. The pucks found it's way between the post, and Hank's arm, and slipped into the back of the net. But it didn't stop there, things went from bad to worse in the third period. After registering 16 shots in the first period, the Rangers were limited to seven in the final two periods.

In the third period, the Leafs scored three straight goals, coming from Joffrey Lupul, Clarke MacArthur, and Mike Brown. Michael Del Zotto tallied the final goal of the game, on a point shot through traffic. The fact that the Rangers were held to less shots combined the final two periods, than in the first period is a glaring problem.

In the first period, the Rangers came out firing, and put every puck on the net. From there, the Rangers tried to be too fancy, and wanted to setup that "perfect" play. Again, shooting everything was the key tonight. Notice how both Ranger goals came from outside the circles. Both were just fired at the net, and found a hole. The Rangers got away from shooting in the final two frames, and that killed them.

Henrik Lundqvist was solid to start off the game, and turned away two Phil Kessel breakaways. Although, the defense didn't really support Hank as much tonight, and often left him out to dry.

Although he scored tonight, Michael Del Zotto was just awful, to put it bluntly. He turned over the puck (per usual), made lazy plays (per usual), and just made awful passes (per usual). Overall it was a terrible game, the Rangers started great, but died real quick.

We can all but hope they fair better against the Ottawa Senators, this Saturday at 3:00 PM.

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I have hated Christensen for over a year and half now but damn now he makes me want to punch a wall.

I am beginning to hate Wolski as much as Christensen. I am still waiting for him to win 1, just 1, battle along the boards. holy crap does he suck.

you cant tell me avery wouldnt help this team. There are 4 players that contribute nothing to this team (EC, Wolski, Newbury. Rupp). yeah avery takes a dumb penalty every now and then but he injects this team with a shot of energy that they so desperately needed in the 2nd and 3rd periods tonight.

Also, why the hell is Zuke not with the big club. I mean seriously. Newbury? come on. Call the hobbit up already

by nyrangerfan521 on Oct 28, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Newbury has done absolutely nothing to hurt this team and has played the role of 4th line center more than adequately… EC plays limited time and tonight was mediocre… start blaming the top 2 lines before singling our guys who play on the 4th line… Richards Dubi Cally Anisimov Stepan Prust and Boyle… Fedetenko has been good but not tonight and i think he’s better served as the third line winger he’s been… Gaborik has been all over the ice thus far and he’s looking every bit the player we signed 2 years ago..

@clalicata17

by Clalicata17 on Oct 28, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Clalicata on this one, for sure. Dubi and Cally just don’t look focused at all. They’re trying to be something they aren’t. What we need to do is get back to the hitting everything in sight and grind hockey we relied on last year. We aren’t wearing down the other club. Stepan was just “ok.” It’s time for him to step it up.

Del Zotto was the worst player on the ice…and this includes both squads. We need Staal back in the lineup.

by voice22 on Oct 28, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Newbury took quite a beating in the one thing he’s known for too lol…

Christensen really is just useless out there. Seriously, he can even handle a pass to save his life. I counted like 8 passes in the 3rd period alone that he couldn’t handle.

Hank did let in some weak goals today, to be honest. I’m sure I’ll get the “oh, without him we’re nothing” bashing posts, but he just wasn’t up to par today. Blame the D all you want, but at least 2 of the goals should have been stopped.

Lastly, IS STEPAN EVER GONNA HIT THE NET??? Every game, he’s always shooting high, or wide, or just not shooting “gimme” shots/goals at all. He’s burning me up almost as much as useless EC has lately.

by NYRGreg23 on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Torts said it best in his post game interview. He said the team looked lethargic. There wasn’t much of anything happening in the neutral zone. No passing plays or give and gos to gain the zone…

That said, I’m not giving up on the team yet. When the team starts getting some momentum I think they will take off.

#12 Carl Hagelin

by The Blue Seats on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Had MDZ’s first goal counted as it should have… it’d be a totally different look as he would have come away from this game with 2 goals… the defense overall looked awful after the first period, Girardi included… Sauer played decent, but was slow since been out for a while… Girardi had a lot of turnovers in this game too DZ was not the only bad defensemen tonight and it angers me that he’s continued to be made the scape goat I’m sick of having to reiterate that he’s an offensive defenseman and he’s still learning to play the position… apparently if you are on the rangers defense everybody has to be shea weber or they aren’t good enough…

@clalicata17

by Clalicata17 on Oct 28, 2011 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

The Rangers have so many problems so far this season that I don’t get why Del Zotto gets taken to task every single game for every mistake he makes. Sure he’s had some poor play and still might be over his head in the NHL for now but there are more important players right now that are playing well under what they should be.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 28, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Del Zaster (thank Scotty Hockey for the nickname) gets taken to task because he is an awful hockey player. He and Eminger and Christensen and Rupp all look horrible.

Anybody still thinking that the Rangers can contend this year for the Cup is simply kidding themselves. This team needs Staal back in the worst way, and they need Dubinsky to wake the hell up. Another five games of crap hockey like this and Torts must pay the price. Remember his diatribe about how the Rangers “have better players than Sean Avery’”? Where are they? And more importantly, who are they? Torts’ mishandling of the roster is costing this team points…..

Rupp and Christensen and Newbury aren’t better than Avery; and right now Boyle and Dubinsky look like they aren’t better players either…..and I won’t even mention Wolski, who borrows the cloak of invisibility from EC before hopping over the boards to take a shift. That’s two lines’ worth of forwards who aren’t carrying their weight. Absolutely disgraceful performance last night from this team.

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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

anybody who thinks the rangers were a cup contender this season is shooting for the stars far too… thats not saying this team will not be improved… and i still think they are a lot better than they’ve shown…. but they are not a cup contender this season…

MDZ is not an awful hockey player… his use is offense and high risk passing which once he masters consistently will be a devistatating asset as a 3rd pairing defenseman not a 2nd Pair… dmen take a long time to develop in this league except for a small few… if staal healthy MDZ gets either the 3rd pairing minutes or time in Hartford to fine tune his game…

MDZ up until last night had progressed nicely so far this year and was playing tough minutes… i personally think he looked a lot better paired with Erixon and Sauer played steady but the 2 didn’t look right together…

My big point is the team stunk after the first period… and One player was singled out… ONE… ONE… DZ was not the reason we lost… hank let in 2 soft goals that he usually saves…

You fail to point out anything Newbury did wrong… constantly everyone says… get rid of him he’s bad… what did he do? of all the players who played last night the last person i would put any blame on was kris god damn newbury… guy plays like 3 minutes and you think avery’s 3 minutes would all the sudden shoot the team into the elite… he’s gone move on… it was a salary move as much as it was a disfavor move… get over it..

@clalicata17

by Clalicata17 on Oct 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t single DZ out; I mentioned 8 different players who looked bad last night. Read what I wrote before accusing me of singling any one player out.

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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his problem was that you disparaged eight players all in essentially one sentence: "Rupp and Christensen and Newbury aren’t better than Avery; and right now Boyle and Dubinsky look like they aren’t better players either…..and I won’t even mention Wolski, who borrows the cloak of invisibility from EC before hopping over the boards to take a shift. " I think he wants you to back up your opinions not just state people are bad hockey players and leave it at that.

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Oct 28, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how you can judge what Clalicata’s motives were—that’s his business…..and I didn’t state that all eight players were bad hockey players, merely that all eight players did not play well last night. I did say that DZ is an awful hockey player, and my opinions are backed up by seeing him play over 100 games of hockey for the NY Rangers over the past 3 seasons.

DZ hasn’t been the same player since suffering that nasty chest laceration near the end of his rookie season.

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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah if that first goal stood up and he had scored two goals, but we lost, people would still complain here.

by BigB22 on Oct 28, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kessel is great

don’t wanna b a d*** but he’s really really good. he’s always there. he doesn’t play around. leafs r lucky to have him

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by -19-AgainstAll on Oct 28, 2011 1:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Dubinsky, christiensen, MDZ, Rupp for Kessel

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by -19-AgainstAll on Oct 28, 2011 1:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Remember what the Leafs gave up to get him? Ya I don’t think they’re letting him go anytime soon

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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 28, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two first-round picks (#2 overall 2010, #9 overall 2011) and a second-round pick (#32 overall 2010). That’s quite the price to pay, and now that Kessel is heating up, they’d want more than they paid.

by Kritikal on Oct 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So obvious..coach

Fire coach and get someone who understands better hockey.!You will see the difference in a few games..this guy restrict players on ice and doesn,t give them much required freedom to be creative,if not ,rangers with all spendor and glory might follow Devils last year….no kidding

by captain_ivo on Oct 28, 2011 1:56 AM EDT reply actions  

H.L. Mencken said it best

There always a well-known solution to every human problem-neat, plausible and wrong.

by NTB on Oct 28, 2011 7:46 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Never would have thought Jonas Gustavsson would out play Hank.

Rangers were good in the first period but flat out terrible the rest of the way.. Rangers have some issues that a three goal guy won’t solve. I miss Prospal and Staal. My goodness did the Erixon-Eminger pair struggle.

by graves9 on Oct 28, 2011 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

+ 1

We definitely miss Prospal.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

wheres the heart?

Although it hasnt been pretty to say the least, we are still a 500 team. Torts was right we are completely lethargic and lack any kind of heart whatsoever, and that goes on dubi and cally who are supposed to identify this team with their grinding, hitting, and passionate forechecking. None of which have been there for some time, especially for dubi. Agreed that the leaders of this team need to step up but even if they did, the effortsof wolski, christensen, and even stepan (unfortunately) really drain the heart and sole out of the team. Wolski is a straight little girl and Torts lets him know it, which although entertaining prob doesnt help with his confidence. And Stepan hasnt hit the net since NAM; im hoping his great rookie season wasnt just a tease/fluke. Finally I am really getting tired of the excuse that MDZ is a an offensive defensemen so we cant get mad at him when he turns the puck over in front of the net or when he fans on a slapper in the OFFENSIVE zone and leads to the the leading NHL goal scorers breakaway. Hes a damn defensemen his job is to play D. enough of the excuses, he’s still learning and crap like that. Its time to win, we didnt get richards to sneak into the playoffs, we got him so we could win the division. This team has the peices to do that and i think we sell it short. The time is now its been almost 18 years since a cup, are you kidding me, we’re supposed to wait for MDZ and stepan to grow a pair and then we can talk about winning?

Also, for god sakes bring back avery….with him and rupp its like having the bash brothers. adds some grit to the team, im sick and tired of getting pushed around, newbury supposed to be the tough guy, he got embarassed last night.

This has to be a selfless team, where they play for eachother and it just doesnt seem like they are. I have high hopes for this team and i dont think its even close to time to give up, we can make a run at the cup we just need to get our heads out of our asses and wake up.

And finally, will Torts ever stay with same lines in back to back games, or for that matter a full game or even a period? its clear that it screws with the chemistry…..

by leetch2 on Oct 28, 2011 5:45 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing I disagree with somewhat...

We acquired Richards to win the division—but not this year. The plan for next year is to make it past the second round, then 2013-2014 is the year we go for broke (moving surplus prospects and picks to load up), seeing that Gaborik, Lundqvist, and Girardi’s contracts expire after the 2013-2014 season.

by Kritikal on Oct 28, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hagelin

Anyone wanna see hagelin get a call up? Kid absolutely flies up and down the ice. Is a solid backchecker and can inject some much needed energy into this team. He wouldn’t play big minutes but torts can put him in any time they’re looking for some spark

by RangersBL2 on Oct 28, 2011 7:03 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

At this point why cant he play big minutes- who besides Gabby is better than him right now?

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see it, but it isn’t like he would be the difference between a win and a loss.

#12 Carl Hagelin

by The Blue Seats on Oct 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll see him again tonight, but in the two games I’ve seen him in this season, the pro game was a bit much for him to handle. He was looking worn down by mid game. Also, of his 3 goals, two were on absolutely BEAUTIFUL feeds from Newbury, threading the needle, and leaving him with a wide open net. I’m not saying Hagelin won’t be an NHL player some day, but at this point he didn’t look NEARLY as good as Newbury in the AHL

by BuckarooClub on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such a soft, listless effort (or non-effort)

I’m already sick of watching this team. Drink a fucking Red Bull if you’re tired. The lack of energy, effort, and focus is embarrassing. Thank Henrik and Marty this abortion of a team has even won 3 games so far.

by Steeeve on Oct 28, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

we dont have to sugar-coat anyhting. Dubi, setpan have not done one thing for this club. Dubi looks like he has never played before and stepan couldnt hit a soccer net. and last night richards was awful didnt even notce him out there. rangers really need to make a move here if they wanna be in the playoffs at the end of the year. lots of rumors out of boston about getting rid of Krejci what do you guys think about that?

by bkolaric on Oct 28, 2011 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I was pumped for this game, but by the 3rd quarter I was literally nodding off and struggling to pay attention. This start is not what I expected at all. Chemistry takes time, ok but stupid penalties and lack of effort I didn’t expect. It’s like last year did a 180 now Gabby’s playing like he’s interested and everyone else looks like they’re skating aimlessly.

Larry Brooks described this team last year as the “black and blueshirts”, “more spit than polish”. They need to get back to that fast and maybe let the “polish” develop chemistry with fewer fucking line changes.

That being said, if they can replicate the 1st quarter with consistancy we’ll be fine. It will be interesting to see how much the team improves overall with the addition of Staal, whenever that happens.

by mike1967 on Oct 28, 2011 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

the third quarter, huh?

personally i thought the bottom of the sixth was the best part of the game

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by joereiter on Oct 28, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

leafs came out flat, i dont think the rangers play dropped off all that much.

by rmg10 on Oct 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe its just me but I kinda loved "we want avery " chants last night. and I know people are gonna say hes not the solution but every single game he goes all out. and if hes under control he is way better the WW and EC…. boy I cant stand WW

by bkolaric on Oct 28, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

there were some dopes with a giant avery banner too

avery has been invisible often enough the last couple of years that he’s not a difference maker that would’ve changed the outcome of this game

they’re giving up 30+ shots per game too frequently, if this is a regular thing they’ll be looking at a top five pick, hank or no hank

i’m almost wondering about this theory floating around that they’re not playing for torts anymore….

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by joereiter on Oct 28, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

about the not playing for Torts anymore...

That thought crossed my mind too after last night’s game. It felt like they showed for a period that they can still play hockey and then they just stopped playing for the final two periods. No idea if there’s anything to it but I’m tired of those horrible performances we had to endure thus far.

GET RID OF EC!!!

by M.R.M. on Oct 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno who it was in the game thread (apologies), but it was mentioned that the game shifted after the 2nd waived off goal. Before that, they were generating a ton of shots and traffic and making the Monster really uncomfortable (which prob played a part in the Girardi goal sneaking through).

After they got dinged twice, it stopped. No pressure in front, and they went back to trying to make 27 perfect passes to set up a goal, rather than just flinging rubber from anywhere and looking to clean up the leftovers.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said something like that at the end of the game, although I’m sure I wasn’t the only one to point that out, but I do feel like those kinds of calls have an effect, whether they’ll admit it or not, on the way they play the rest of the game. You could tell that right after the second one got waved off they were hesitant and looking for the perfect pass…

by Peter North Stars on Oct 28, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Torts has lost them

It’s not just in the way they play, it’s in some of the little things they do. It seems everyone was has been looking to make sure Larry Brooks hears it first again these days. I think it’s time to make a change behind the bench, it certainly can’t hurt us. The next line up shuffle should be putting Torts with James Duthie and Darren Dreger behind the “Hockey Night on TSN” desk.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having Avery certainly wouldn't have hurt us either

I was glad to see him get some support from the Garden, because at the end of the day, Aves getting cut was strictly petty, Torts, BS.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

New coach

For the past three years the Rangers have had very little punch on the power play and not a lot chemistry in the lines. The Rangers need a coach that will leave the lines together for more than a couple of shifts. If Torts doesn’t get immediate results he changes the lines. There’s zero time for line mates to get used to playing with one another.

The Leafs played well in the neutral zone last night. You can’t generate offense if you can’t get into the other teams zone. There doesn’t seem to be any set plays or even a plan when coming out of the defensive zone. Clearly Torts can’t get the players onto the same page, so we need to get someone in there who can. Make the change now, should have been done in the off season, before this season is lost.

by SideByEach on Oct 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Gotta agree..

I always liked Torts, always thought he was a good coach, thought with some time he’d turn the Rangers around. He doesn’t leave lines together enough for the players to get comfortable. Agreed. The dump behind the net CONSTANTLY to another Ranger until inevitably, it’s turned over to the other team. Painful.

Idk I don’t think Torts is a bad coach, but he has to be part of the issue holding this team back. Right? Maybe? Hopefully?

Oh, and Wolski proved tonight he should’ve been bought out. And Christensen traded. Newbury and Rupp can stay.

by Jawns on Oct 28, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I generally feel the same way about Torts. He’s gritty coach with an edge and wears his emotions on his sleeve (just check out the youtube videos of him ripping on brooksie, hilarious)…anyway ive always felt that its been the new york attitude that “the players win and the coaches lose”. I do agree that Torts has to be a part of the problem especially in regards to switching up the lines. But these guys are professionals, this is their job regardless if they like the coach or not. People said the same thing about the Caps and Boudreu last season when he began to focus on D more than O. This was the theme during 24/7 when they lost like 10 in a row. And then they won the classic and turned the season around. They bought into his system and now look at them, they were perfect up until last night. Rangers need to trust eachother and trust their coach, its all about selfless service, playing for something bigger, which gabby has finally done and which is lackin do to marc staal’s absence and the leadership he brings.

by leetch2 on Oct 28, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

besides gabi there has been no-one that stood out yesterday… veery poor efort from top to bottom

by bkolaric on Oct 28, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

what a terrible game

first off, glad i was not at this one. it was a huge buzz kill. The Rangers looked flat and uninspired.

second, the officiating was terrible. the Rangers did not deserve to win but those two waived off goals should count. If Callahan is not called for goaltender interference (i know the second goal there was no call and I cant remember if he got a penalty on the first disallowed goal) than there is no gripe and the goals stand. you cant say he was pushed by the defenseman and call off the goal. D-men have been doing that for years and I hope this does not start a trend of “let’s push our opponent into the goalie on purpose and the have him embellish it so goals can be waived off or the play will be dead.”

D-men have every right to clear the crease. if they do so illegally, its a penalty and its always at risk to obscure/jostle the goalie. part of the game and should not be a tactic to disallow goals. and if the ref thinks that Cally could of prevented goalie interference, then call it. otherwise, tough shit. it cant be both ways. it either goaltender interference or not. if you use that logic, why not just have your D-men just hit their own goalie to stop plays and disallow goals. that is essentially what it was.

and the call on Dubi for “snowing” the goalie. I have never seen that call in 36 years. thats another call that has to be consistent. it happens a lot and is used to get under the goalie’s skin. if the refs call it a penalty once, then they have to call it consistently. They dont get to pick and choose when to call unsportsmanlike conduct. it more the consistency than the actual call.

otherwise, Rangers deserved to lose. showed up for one period and faded away. Gustavsson looked shaky and more shots would have been key.

Hank looked mortal. The first goal passed through him. Cant blame him but first time this season Hank looked human.

by truebluesince75 on Oct 28, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

DISGUSTING !

The only word to describe last night. Other than Gaborik, they all SUCKED.

Where are Dubi, Cally and AA ? I know that Avery is not the answer but no matter what anyone says, we NEED him in this line up.

Enough of Woslki and Christensen. How many chances do you get? How does the operations and management staff not recognize that Tarts is completely mis-handling this roster? Is there anyone that has a say besides Torts? Anyone to say , "Hey, we have better players in Ct than we are putting on the ice right now?

I am NOT a panicking fan, but this is just absurd. For all the hype Tortorella makes about earning a spot on this roster, He is FULL OF SHIT!

I’m sorry, but this is just hard to watch. There are SO many things wrong with this club right now that I feel bad for Gabby, who is breaking his ass ALONE.

Gabby-Richards-AA
Dubi-Cally-Step
Feds-Boyle-Prust
Avery-Hagelin-Rupp

Anyone?

by l.whit7873 on Oct 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

sounds good to me, maybe swap Step with AA….but what about the D? that was just as bad last night. Is it time to give up on MDZ and look to woywitka who has been in the league for some time?

Mcdizzy and girardi are playing well overall, saur made a great play last night but was still shaky on the puck (first game back understandable) but then you get into MDZ, Eminger and Erixson….the leaf’s go ahead go is purely eminger and erixson’s fault they couldnt clear the front of the net, and without Hank, Kessel would have buried MDZ terrible turnover…so again, when stallzy comes back, are we gonna get rid of 2 of them and bring in woywitka or keep 2 on?….also whats this stuff ive been hearing about Campoli?

by leetch2 on Oct 28, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Brian Boyle

Hello .
Mr Boyle- This is your wake up call- get the fuck up and get going
Eric Christensen- why are you are still here? You dont have to go home but you cant stay here.
Wolski- The KHL is looking for you.
Duby- I saw a brief spark after that penalty. Youalmost looked like you cared because you were pissed off.
Del Zotto- Play defense first- then worry about offense.
Hank- good to know you are human. Bad game but 1 out 50 isnt too bad.
Bring up the youngsters- they cant play any worse than the veterans above- maybe make them wake up.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

   oh and Ahole Anisimov- your grace period is over. Start playing like an NHL or back to Hartford you go.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, who needs arguably the teams best PK player so far, the guy on the ice for the most SOG so far at evens, and the only guy on the positive side of possession metrics. BUM!

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

George you stats and numbers are wonderful but I simply dont see Anisimov getting any better and more importantly- scoring any points. This team desperately needs scoring- not actuarial numbers

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who on the team has any points?!

Anisimov’s got 3, right there with everyone else, 2 off the team league, and as many as Callahan+Stepan combined.

He’s been their best 2-way forward so far. Is he better than he has played? Yes. Has he been a problem for this team? Not close.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

team lead. Stupid brain fart.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

“The guy on the ice for the most SOG?” Man, you get caught up in the stats way too often…Take a look at the guy devoid of numbers – classic, effortless, Russian player. And penalty killers are a dime a dozen. You can teach anyone to kill a penalty, i.e. Prust and Betts a few years back.

by purinton on Oct 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This teams problem is scoring. How do you score goals? By shooting!

If you think he’s been effortless, you’re not paying attention, or you’re seeing -ov on the name and just writing him off.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

George- My rant was slightly over the top on all the playersI mentioned- based upon their lack of offensive production. Yes- the entire team lacks in scoring but saying someone leads the team or is close to the team lead in points with 3 total points after 8 games??? I’m embarrassed to say that anyone with 3 points after 8 games is near the lead in anything.
 This Anisimov’s 3 rd year with the big club? We all keep waiting for his potential to blossom. I’m still waiting for Darryl Strawberry’s potential to blossom- he was supposed to be the best player ever based upon his potential. I dont Anisimov doing enough this year. But then again- who on this Rangers team is doing enough this year?

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whole team needs to pick it up. There are 3 skaters playing well right now, Gaborik, Girardi, and McDonagh. That’s it.

Sorry, these things irk me right now, because god bless him, but Callahan has sucked so far, and every single one of these “these guys need to step up” posts ignores him. Whether or not it’s intentional, that he’s not front and center in favor of guys that have been better than him (incl. Anisimov) is a sore subject for me currently, and rather than tear down the captain, I defend those being killed.

As for potential takes time. He’s doing enough good right now to be patient.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez, you said someone “sucked”, that’s the most emotional I have seen you get on there boards!

I happen to agree, I think that Callahan’s performance has been the MOST disappointing of all. Let’s face it, we expect players like EC and Rupp to play like shit and be blasted here and called to be thrown down to Hartford. Callahan is supposed to be our most consistent player and our leader, and he has regressed horribly, so far. Dubi as well, and to a much much lesser extent AA.

by BigB22 on Oct 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not really emotion. That’s the best adjective for it. He had a stellar game against the Kings (easily their best forward), and has done close to nothing since.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what happened to my reply

I’ll try it again: George- My rant on the players I mentioned was slightly over the top and a little tongue-in-cheek. However- saying a guy is near the team lead with 3 points after 8 games is not an argument-it’s an embarrassment. An indictment against the whole team.
That said- This is Anisimov’s 3rd year with the big club correct? I am still waiting for his potential to blossom. The same way Darryl Starwberry had the potential to be the best baseball player ever. See where that went? I just dont Anisimov getting any better and if he doesnt start scoring then we need to let him go.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your reply is there..I even replied to it.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry- it didnt come up on my screen. Thanks for the banter- I appreciate your insights. I hate arguing with someone who has facts to back them up- I like to make mine up as I go along.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t expect 22 year old players to be superstars in their 3rd years… wake the fuck up.

by j-red on Oct 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Crosby, or Lemieux, or Gretzky….or Brian Leetch, or Joe Sakic, or Paul Coffey, or Cam Neely…..

Out of all the cliches spouted by fans, the “he’s too young to be successful” line is one of the most tired ones….

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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby – 1st overall
Lemieux – 1st overall
Leetch – 9th
Sakic – 15th
Coffey – 6th
Neely – 9th
Anisimov -54th.

The expectation levels are not the same.

Yes, players can be successful at a young age. Success is relative. For every ‘superstar’ that was established by 22-23, there are guys that don’t get there til much later. Skill with Anisimov is there, it’s about harnessing it. Maybe it doesn’t happen, but it’s still early in his development.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is

That 22 year olds succeed in the NHL. And sometimes they are superstars at that age.

Anisimov has already shown he’s a good player in this league, I’m not bashing him at all….but I’m not calling him Datsyuk-ian, either.

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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

After 8 games I would like to see more than 3 points- I’m not looking ofr superstar- I would just like to see a goal or 2.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Oct 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the shooting completely but I don’t necessarily think that its a reflection of the collective of players on the ice. Callahan and Dubinsky (who he had been with for a majority of the season) have to take 20 shots for every goal (I am sure you have those stats, although I would be interested to see what that they are) so Anisimov becomes the beneficiary of that. I think it can be reflective (e.g. Anaheim’s first line) in a positive way but on the other hand, we could say John Erskine has SOG value because he is often the defensemen when Ovechkin is on the ice (pure example – not sure if true).

by purinton on Oct 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair.

As far as scoring chances goes (thus eliminating Callahan’s high number of 40 footers this year), so far they favor Anisimov on ice as well. (dunno if he still leads, I’d doubt it because Gaborik is so far and away ahead of everyone at generating them)

My general point remains though, Anisimov’s been underperforming, but less so than many other players right now. He’s at least playing solid defense, which given the first line’s defensive trainwreck, is a valuable skill.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I try not be an “Anti-Ov” as much as possible. There is one thing I think we can agree on…he’s one frustrating dude.

by purinton on Oct 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s frustrating for me on like 10 levels. Mostly, his underlying numbers are so good right now for someone that young, that I can’t help but wonder what will happen when gets going. He’s been a bit snake-bit with team shooting % this year, but again as you said, Cally/Dubi flinging from everywhere doesn’t help that much.

I still think he’s got a Datsyukian ceiling as a 2-way forward, but I fear we’ll get Stephen Weiss out of him instead. Not that Weiss is a bad player, but I’d rather then 80 point, tough minutes guy over the 50 point one.

Anyway, he’s not the problem right now. He sure ain’t the solution either, but he’s not the problem.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I am starting to see your angle on it. His sub-par play (considering his level of talent) has not had an adverse affect on the team. I had mentioned another day that he reminds me of Antropov and Ponikarovsky…but I always hoped that he could be better than Antropov’s best at 26-30-56. If he is “Weiss-ian,” this may be the best case scenario.

by purinton on Oct 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll be better than Antropov simply because he’s already much better defensively.

My general outlook at the team is that every last forward, aside from Gaborik, has suck suckity sucked so far offensively. So I have a hard time killing anyone individually for their lack of offense thus far. If I was going to pick on people for it, however, Stepan and Callahan would be at the top of the list.

I know I predicted Step would see his production decrease, but I didn’t see 1 point in 8 games while getting premium 1st line and PP time. Ditto Callahan, except he’s had 2nd line time.

That’s the other thing with Artie. He’s about the only forward who hasn’t played w/ Richards-Gaborik so far (seriously, even Newbury’s been up there),. 3 points with the ice time and situations he’s had (read: playing with Rupp and w/o PP time) isn’t that bad. I won’t say good, but certainly not bad.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

time for a change

ok players on this team are not responding to torts way of playing.they cant get used each other when you break up the lines every period of every game you dont bench your best player for defensive players like he said bullshit . the power play still sucks cant get any shots on net.do we keep blaiming the players . and do you want me to belive that newbury and ec are better then some of the younger guys we have . and people forget avery hes not the answer either.i think its time for a new coach cause this team will not turn anything around this season.its going to be the same old crap as the past three years no matter who you bring in or up

by nytrueblue on Oct 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

unless graves, messier, or john davidson (god i miss him) wants to start coaching this team, then i dont see what firing torts will do? we’ll have an interim head coach for a the rest of the season which isnt gna be better than torts. He’s won a cup, clearly something works.

by leetch2 on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is going on here???

This is a repeat of my post in an earlier story, but it’s certainly applicable in this one.
As a long time fan, I find this level of apathy disgusting! I just refuse to believe that this is the best this group of supposed NHL quality players can produce! It’s got to stop NOW, before the entire season goes down the drain!
It’s hard to believe we have to make excuses for players who are making hundreds of thousands and in some cases millions of dollars for a 9 month job! Is it too much to ask for 100% effort in every game in exchange for being made millionaires before they’re 40? You bet your life I’d be breaking my you know what’s to stay for that kind of yearly compensation!

WHO WERE THEY?

Who were they??? I’d like to know who the players were in the Ranger’s uniforms that played in the first period? They actually played hockey!!! They were actually competitive! What a surprise!
 I question why the Ranger management didn’t hire them to play the entire game! It’s a damn shame they all went home during the first intermission!
The second and third periods were obviously played by the same characters that have been hired for the entire season!
 Perhaps contracts with tiny guaranteed salaries and huge productivity incentives would be in order! Maybe then they’d decide to play the whole game !

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