John Tortorella Switches Lines Again; Christensen Finds Himself On Top Line
Well it looks as if Brad Richards will be centering, not the top line, but instead the second line. I mean, we only signed him to be our top line center, John Tortorella already has other plans it seems. The lines from today's practice were as follows: Wolski - Christensen - Gaborik | Dubinsky - Richards - Callahan | Fedotenko - Boyle - Prust | Stepan - Anisimov - Newbury. So it seems that Wojtek Wolski also earned himself a top line spot, not really sure how that happened either.
Again with these lines, I'm a little but confused. I'm going to quote Nick here with this one, "So, in place of the All-Star center in Brad Richards that was signed for an arm and a leg this summer, $925,000 Erik Christensen finds himself on the top line despite being absent from every game he has played in so far this season." That pretty much sums up EXACTLY what I was thinking. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Michael Del Zotto also didn't skate today, along with teammate Mike Rupp. It is unknown why Del Zotto is sitting, but Mike Rupp was having knee problems, which sidelined him last night as well.
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there is no really top line.
just trying lines to build some chemistry. anyways, i’d argue that the best (and thus “top”) line would be the dubinsky-richards-callahan line.
however, christensen skating with gaborik and wolski is a joke. he should be skating in the ahl. or by himself in the press box. i’d rather put anisimov with gaborik and richards, loads of offensive talent, even if a bit soft…
by brodeur hearts avery on Oct 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
Its a joke....
Good luck Rangers with this coach…Christinsen should be sent to AHL and not to play on top line…If they loose Ottawa,.i will start cheering for olilers!!!
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Figured he was injured after last night, and not practicing today.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 28, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Figured he was injured after being off the bench last night and not being at practice.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
2011-12--the revenge of Torts
This situation just gets better and better. Christensen is the fifth-best center on this team behind Richards, Anisimov, Boyle, and Stepan.
Seems to me like it’s a vindictive move by a vindictive coach….not content to merely mess with his team’s roster, Tortorella is now giving a giant middle-finger back to the fans who paid money to see his team last night and had the audacity to express their opinion by cheering for Avery. Way to go, coach! That’ll teach Ranger fans to….um….um….go see the games in person at the Garden?
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He's not even the 5th best center
you forgot Dubinsky, Rupp
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Oct 28, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Christiansen plays wing too. Dubinsky was centering lines at various times this year. If it is what they can play, he’s no better than 7th.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Oct 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if you believe the utter nonsense that you just said you sir are an idiot… torts doesn’t have job to maintain or anything… or a team that he’s trying to have win… I hate Christensen but he’s on the team and Avery is not… as far as 5th best everybody has been bad so you can’t even determine an order…
The biggest issue with jumbling the lines is that our 2nd line kills penalties and with taking so many penalties the lines get shuffled trying to give guys a breather…
@clalicata17
by Clalicata17 on Oct 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Torts being a complete Meglomaniac is just as good of an explenation as any for putting WW, Christianson, and Gaby one the top line.
I’m also guessing that “2011-2012 The Revenge of Torts” is a stab at humor
It isn’t the “top” line.
As Brodeur hearts Avery said, it will be the Dubinsky-Richards-Callahan line and the Feds Boyle Prust that is handling the other teams top opposition.
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by The Blue Seats on Oct 28, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
@Clalicata17—If you call someone an idiot, maybe you should proofread what you say after….what does your first paragraph even mean? The phrase “Torts doesn’t have job to maintain or anything [sic]” followed by “or a team that he’s trying to have win [sic]” is about as awesomely bad as an expressed thought can get, even on the internet.
This idiot congratulates you on your finely-honed prose.
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by greifi griffie on Oct 28, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
oh come on...
That was sarcasm from a mile away.
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by FIRESATHER327 on Oct 28, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m hoping the other reply was sarcasm too….or else it’s hilarious
by teknics on Oct 28, 2011 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
grammar i missed an “a” in the first sentence and the 2nd reads fine… “or a team that he’s (he is) trying to have win” that sentence is grammatically correct, sue me… i missed an “a”…
i never directly called you an idiot i said if you believe the nonsense than you are an idiot… what you’ve insinuated is that Torts has switched the lines neglecting the organization as a whole and the fans… i find the hard to believe… it’s OK try to deflect the outlandish statements you’ve made by pointing out grammar in a comment section of a blog… I’m sorry my writing was subpar in a comment section… next time i’ll be sure to proof read… what 24 hours then reproof read before posting because i wouldn’t want you to have trouble understanding my comment…
While we’re discussing an outlandish conspiracy such as yours I think torts overall scheme is to bury the rangers franchise so he can finally leave and join the islanders and lead them to glory… I’ve heard that torts and charles wang are yacht club buddies and have put into action a 6 year plan to put a team together that will bring about the end of the rangers and then torts is planning to overthrow the infrastructure that is the rangers organization so he can ultimately accomplish his goal of making MSG the home of his beloved islanders…
maybe you’re right he just putting shitty lines out because the fans were mad at him… he’s only getting paid millions to coach the team and he’d do that to jeopardize his livelihood… that sounds better…
please be sure to check my grammar and inform me of any typos i wouldn’t want to offend anybody… and for the future i’ll email you all of my papers for school so you can read those too…
did you catch any sarcasm? my post is more of a “giant middle-finger” than torts shuffling the lines, or as some others may call it… his job
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Didn’t really catch your missed comma. and thanks for explaining your sarcasm, it was so cleverly hidden within your diatribe that I almost—I mean almost—missed it.
there’s no conspiracy here….a coach who was once driven to spray water all over a fan in Washington during a playoff game WAS hearing the derisive Garden chants for Avery last night, and probably burning about it too.
And keep your middle finger…I am laughing at it anyway….
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by greifi griffie on Oct 29, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
GREAT THOUGHT!
I have had enough of Torts. He has gotten everything he’s wanted personnel-wise. To his credit, he’s finally gotten Sather to think before he spends and invest in youth instead of dealing them away. BUT… PP still sucks, line juggling has not produced results, and quite frankly his attitude sucks. No doubt the players need to perform regardless of what line they are on, but give the guys some time gel together in-game. The way he punishes guys by sitting them for extended shifts or drops them down to the 4th line (like he did with AA the other night) is getting old very fast. I’ll give him another month before I start calling for his head (again.)
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We should be mindlessly slapping the puck and chasing it more often. It has worked wonders for our puck possession.
We should be slapping the players, not the puck.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
“Get the puck deep. Lot’s of jam”
by CTrangerfan on Oct 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said this several days ago, I would like to see WW AA GAbby and Dubi BR Cally. I guess part of it will come to fruition. I can’t see putting EC on the top line as he did not earn the ice time. Although 99% of the team has not earned ice team, EC is the last one I would expect up there.
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by NYR in Chi-town on Oct 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
I apologize for the profanity in advance.
FUCKING TOTORELLA SUCKS! This really is a smack in the face and an insult to ranger fans intelligence. Ranger brass needs to pull in the rains on this egotistical arsehole. Wolski has been the worst player on the ice in the last few games other than maybe DZ. He looks lost, afraid of the puck and the opposition. Christensen, Really?
I am disgusted, I feel like this is a joke. And not that his matters but enough is enough with this Newbury garbage. He is an AHL player, That is all.
Any chance of putting a nice package in front of Don Maloney for Kyle Turris? Or what about a swap for Olez with Chicago. Again, I am not a cliff jumper either but we have quite a few useless spare parts laying around . Our veterans are not getting younger and our core is mediocre at best.
I hope Staal proves to be a spark in his return. I feel bad for Hank, sure he had a bad game last night but he can’t keep them in all of them.
Dubi and Cally are invisible. Did anyone see the look on Dubi’s face at the end of the second when he was in the scrum with Phaneuf, he looked like he was going to cry. WTF is going on with him and Cally. I love these guys, and I know it’s early but show us something?
Anyone?
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than trade for Rostislav Olesz. If I remember correctly, Olesz’s contract is similarly bad in price-to-performance ratio.
that's the answer
We’re not scoring goals so why not turn the game into a circus
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by BuckarooClub on Oct 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
First off, I hate EC and don’t believe for a second he should be on this team, let along the first line. However, I did say before the season that if they did end up splitting Gaborik and Richards it could work quite well. I truly believe that last year was just an aboration for Gaborik, as he has been someone who has produced without a number 1 center throughout his career (also proved it in his first year here.) Richards is the type of player that makes the other players on his like that much better. Can you imagine if Gabby could do what he did his first year here (40-40) without playing with Richards, and Richards had a significant impact on Cally and Duby (maybe 27-33 goal neighborhood for the two)? The team would have two lines with a top 20 player on each, and make it much more difficult to defend. With that said, I wanted the first line center to be Arty or even Stepan. Definitely not Christensen. I’m fine with him as the 13th forward.
Moral of the story, I dont entirely hate the idea of splitting up Gaborik and Richards, with the exception of EC being on the first line…
by Peter North Stars on Oct 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Thinking the same thing. Gabby produced with in his first year as the outright star on his line, he produced on Minnesota as the outright star on the team, there’s not reason why he shouldn’t be able to do it again.
Plus, even if he doesn’t stay on the line, Richards can probably help le Capitaine and Dubi get started offensively. They need the spark that made both of them nearly point per game players last year. Once they get rolling, we’ll be in good shape
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by Scratch and Snif on Oct 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Devils advocate
Like it or not (of course, mostly not) Christensen is one of the 13 forwards on the team, and with Rupp out, one of 12. Thus, he’s going to be in the lineup. Ditto Wolski. Torts job is to get the most productivity out of all 12 players in the lineup.
Putting Wolski and EC with Gaborik at least attempts that goal, unlike previous combinations. Everyone with a pulse knows that the two of them with Newbury is/was not going to get anything done. They have offensive talent, and the way Gaborik is flying around, he can probably elevate them.
The biggest questions to me with this lineup:
1) How much ES time does AA’s line actually see?
2) Who pulls the line more, Dubi and Cally forward, or Richards backward?
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1. 5 minutes, maybe?
2. Richards backward (you poised the question awkwardly, but I’m gathering you mean does Richards help Dubi/Cally or does Dubi/Cally negate Richards skills). Richards is a puck distributor on a line with 2 guys who play a forecheck/grinding style that are more about cleaning up rebounds and causing havoc than finding an opening for a quick shot off a pass.
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No, I posed it the way I wanted.
With Richards on ice, the team goes backwards at ES. Yes, they generate more offense, but it seems to be more transitional, which means no puck possession in the offensive zone, and thus they end up with more shots against than for.
Dubi/Cally can generally cancel out a lot of that and move play forward, but whether they’ll do it with Richards is a legit question.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you can just look at his career plus/minus to get a quick picture (I get he was with some awful TB teams, still bad in other years as well). But for better/actual indicators:
So far he’s started shifts 55.6% of the time in the offensive zone, ended them there 47% of the time. Without going crazy complicated right now, there’s an expectation that the play will move towards 50%, but he’s going beyond that expectation and then some.
You combine that with the shot attempt rates (i.e. Corsi rating) while he’s out there (he’s at -34 at ES so far), and you have the indications that when Richards is out there, the possession pendulum swings in the wrong direction when he’s out there.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree george… i’m a prime believer of having a line specific to itself aka…
1st line is skill
2nd line skilled but mucking grinding skill
3rd line defensive grinders
4th line forechecking and speed, not as much skill, but desire…
while each line may need to have a big body presence to work the boards, the line has a specific purpose… problems arising right now is with all the jumbling due to horrible play by players, you get a mix of grinders on skill lines and they go to one area when the skill player expects them to go to another… richards is not built to work against the boards behind the net…
@clalicata17
George – Where is the data/who is tracking where Richards ends his shifts? To my knowledge, the NHL doesn’t track that.
Behindthenet.ca has that data.
It’s scraped directly from the NHL.com play by plays. I don’t think it accounts for goals, so there’s a minor tweak to be made in the data (which I didn’t do there), but that’s where you can find it.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
appreciate the analytical analysis as usual ...
However, I’ll play a devil to your devil’s advocate and raise you an additional concern. I’d like to take a step backward from the line juggling debate, and re-iterate that most of us suggested that 2011 was the year we would make significant strides toward becoming a legitimate 2012 contender. You’ve heard me preach “stay the course”, but these apathetic performances have me concerned. Are we maturing in the right direction as a team? Are we playing away from our publicly “acclaimed” identity of a team that plays a north-south game and refuses to be outworked. The way were losing – getting out worked – is worse than the record so far. Will juggling the lines and putting EC at center, regardless of BR, Cally and Dubi’s stats, help the effort and keep the team on track for this season and next … for the first time I’m a little unsure what Torts is doing.
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by bleed'n blue on Oct 28, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
*sigh*
Messier or Gretzky busy? Maybe one of them can save the team from Torts. Could they coach any worse?
Maybe we can dig up Toe Blake and put him behind the bench. Just a thought…
by Biff Champion on Oct 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the
“LineAmation 2000 – The latest in automatic line generation. Can automatically generate random lines at 40 lines per period. That is a new line every 30 seconds. The LineAmation does no let players ability, effectiveness, or ability to play together influence it in anyway making it even more effective then head coach John Tortorella – the one time coach of the Stanley Cap Champion Tampa Bay Lightning.
Funny...I'll take one of those with a side of fries, please.
by Biff Champion on Oct 28, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry Biff, the LineAmation doesn’t make fries.
However it does take comprehensive player statistics including the latest in Advanced Statistics, and compares it with all off the other players in the league. It takes those statistics and matches them with the performance history of each of the players currently on the team. The LineAmation then takes this statistical data and combines it , using a proprietary formula, with the historical data of each of the previous line combination. Then through a patented advanced computation engine can completely ignore all the data. Making it the most advanced random line generation tool available.
by CTrangerfan on Oct 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Richards and Gabby went up the hill, each with $7 million
Brad came down with $14 million! OHHHHHHH
by BuckarooClub on Oct 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck Torts
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Rangers are in a big hole.!..get rid of this idiotic creep coach and hire someone who knows hockey and has some spirit..that can be applied to players.or its gonna be the same old…maybe .fighting for last play- off spot…if lucky!!!!..You are analyzing it too deeply,but in fact,its.so simple!
Speaking of fighting...
Can anyone other than Prust hold their own in a fight? Ok, Newbury started strong before Brown got the clear win yesterday. And it’s just painful watching big boys like Boyle and Rupp lose the decision every time they drop their gloves.
Not really. Rupp was made into a fighter after people realized he does not have the hands of a former first-rounder-turned-third rounder player. Rupp can pound on some half-rate heavyweights but cannot do much against the big guys (as seen in his fight versus Parros) Newbury is just one of those guys that will fight anyone to protect his team and make the squad.
Take a peek at McIlrath’s fights so far this year…looking forward to this guy.
I don't get
Tort’s man-crush on Christensen!?! I’m starting to agree greifi that there’s some kind of personal agenda at work here. . .EC shouldn’t have made the openning night roster let alone play first line minutes. Dumb-founded.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Sad but true
My beer league team has more consistency with our 3 lines than a professional hockey team does. And we’ve been playing together for all of 2 years. I’m not usually a Torts basher, but its getting ridiculous how little time he gives guys to build chemistry. Gretzky-Kurri, Oates-Hull weren’t built in 3 games.
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I wanted to see the following, which I posted on this site before the home opener:
Feds – Richard – Gabby (experience)
Dubinsky – Stepan – Cally (let the kids play)
Wolski – Boyle – Prust (muscle with a scoring touch)
My wish was granted for the first period, and what a fantastic period is was. Shots to the net, fighting, dumping the puck and getting possession, and crashing the net. Then we go to the break, and the 2nd period starts. WTF!!! Why are the lines changed? Why is EC out there? Why do we look terrible? and Why would you change what wasn’t broken?
F TORTS! I was so pissed I wanted to puke. Terrible, Terrible coaching.
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those lines continued into the 2nd period and did nothing it was the latter of the 2nd where things started getting shuffled… you blame coaching i blame the players they became to fancy trying to make the perfect pass instead of getting the puck to the net after the first… torts can’t shoot for them and make decisions for them on the ice…
Fedetenko has been one of our better players, but looked out of place on the top line and is a better fit with Boyle and Prust… Wolski needs to be on the top line with gab and richards… leave dubi cally and aa alone and feds prust and boyle alone… 4th line is fine with the mix of newbury and rupp…
Stepan has been the wild card… he looks to be in the middle of the typical sophmore slump… he really is out of place as he doesn’t belong on the 4th line but doesn’t fit the top line… wolski needs substantial top line minutes and he will score… putting him on the 3rd and 4th lines and starting him in the defensive zone is not going to help him…
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Torts makes another line combo...Mike Ramsey-Marty Biron-Sam Rosen
truthfully, Rosen should be in between them since he is the natural center.
Sadly, Biron may be better then EC.
Hell if Torts must change the lines up every shift, then might as well use your whole staff.
For once, I would like him to be patient. We cant have every combo statistically possible.
by truebluesince75 on Oct 28, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Anybody else thinkTorts just calls out random numbers?
It’s like the old chimpanzees could write Shakespeare with typewriters and enough time.
Maybe he has early onset of Alzheimers and just can’t remember the line combinations.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Oct 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
It must be a frustrating thing to play under Torts. There is no sense of “If I play hard, I will get more time.” I think that’s why we are seeing altered play from many of our favorite players. They might be thinking that at this point, there may be no point. If these combinations are for real, it stinks to think that this is the point we are at. I wonder what other teams think when they see this. There has to be some guys in the AHL that can inject some life into this club and can compete with guys that are on the big squad…you guys know better than me about who would be some good candidates.
showcasing?
I hope the WW-EC-MG line is showcasing for a trade. so both EC and WW are gone. but if you think WW and EC are the teams problems they are not, no one expects anything really from them but more is expected and needed by the pack line players and they not playing well at all. they are hurting this team right now. Maybe putting BR on that line will give them a boost.
Team really needs Staal back. Anyone that thinks that Staal is more like a #3 d-man(hfboards has even some rangers fans saying that), BS, this team plays to much team d without him. Sauer getting back in the line is going to help that a lot but not as much as Staal getting back. If it looks like Staal is out for the year(torts on espn made it sound like that) then glen needs to call NSH up and see what the price for either Weber or Sutter is.
Time to trade AA for a true LW (Paajarvi). I like AA but he is not needed with Stepan. AA, I think because of the Lokomotiv tragedy is distracted and rightfully so, many of his friends died in that crash.
i'd say if you have anyone in your lineup that no one expects anything from
it’s a problem; don’t you?
I like AA but he is not needed with Stepan.
Disagree. Stepan through 8 games has shown he’s probably not ready to play against anything more than 3rd liners yet. Anisimov can play against anyone.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Stepan looks better then AA right now. Stepan cant be on the first line MG and BR are not good defensive players and neither is Stepan. but he can play on a line with dubi and cally. Normally AA is better but not now(AA will always be better in his own zone). Stepan has a brighter future so that is why I say trade AA not Stepan.
+1
I hope part of the idea is to entice a another team to give us a pick for EC or WW and then move up a kid or two from the Whale. We need some energy and passion which both of those guys lack. Maybe giving them gabby for a few games will help send them packing?
I HAVENT READ MOST OF THE COMMENTS ABOVE
but WW was fcking horrible. he’s terrible, fully uninspired, no hussle, no heart. its a joke. him whiffing that wide open pass in front of the net was partly what cause the “WE WANT AVERY CHEERS”
by LateralusRangers on Oct 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
I was watching the TSN feed and they should just how bad the ice was plus some leaf player said it was the worst he has played on this year or something to that effect. DZ had an easy slapshot that hopped over his stick for a leaf breakaway. If you didn’t see the replay you probably thought that “DZ with another turnover” but it was the ice. I missed the WW play but is it possible that was the ice also?
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by Kevin Power on Oct 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
HE SUCKS !!!
I mentioned it before, he (Tort) wants “Stepford” forwards, all playing the SAME WAY!
He is ruining this group of decently skilled players. I know he will be pulled before the break, so why WAIT, DO IT NOW! He is stubborn and cannot see the forest through the trees. Is he not supposed to be responsible for the PP ?, or the development of it.
Of course the players must perform, but they seem to reject his philosophies and ALL but Hank and Dan G. are F_ cking abysmal. Do not let this season go to waste, this jerk is used to getting fired so do it sooner than later, while we still have a chance.
overreacting
the powerplay has been fine the past 3 or 4 games and if all of the players are abysmal, how can you blame the coach?
by jhipko13 on Oct 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PP is FINE ????
Check the numbers 3 for 31, 9.7% only the Blues & Blue Jackets are worse. Of course the players must produce but it is ultimately the coaches JOB to make sure that they are Successful when going on the PP. How can you say that the PP has been fine the last couple of games? Are you watching the games at all? I’m not busting your chops, but come on dude the product on the ice is “ABYSMAL”. Would you BUY a product like that with your hard earned $$$$. All Torts does is BENCH star players and thinks this will motivate them. This is not High School level sports this is THE FREAKIN’ SHOW my man.
I’d just like to point out that the assistant coach, Mike Sullivan, is the one who runs the PP, not Torts.
by Eastern Impact on Oct 28, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA yeah that power play is fine
BAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA dude its easily the worst in the NHL and its been that way for a while
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Torts Changing Lines
Does anyone else here think like I do that Tortorella shakes-up lines so damn frequently that he doesn’t allow the chemistry he so desires to develop? Chemistry takes time – I don’t know why he seems to expect instant and incredible results when he changes things. Even within the context of 1 game, 1 game, he can’t seem to keep a line together. To my knowledge, that can’t be said of any other coach in the NHL (unless they are 2x shifting somebody).
I get the feeling that if Torts was a gardener, he would plant seeds on Wednesday and if a full-grown apple tree wasn’t there by Thursday, he would say "Ah, F**k it", pull them out of the ground, and then plant a new set of seeds expecting something different tomorrow.
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Next Season everyone is gone including torts
Gab Richards Callahan lund. mcD gerardi maybe feds. everyone else GONE in trade or just gone.
I was embarrassed last night with that mess. screw it bring up Avery. it couldn’t get any worse then chtistiansen on 1st line
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by -19-AgainstAll on Oct 28, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So,
No staal, erixon. MDZ, sauer, dubi, step, aa, boyle, or prust… I’m glad you’re not the gm
yes yes yes. whole team gone. :)
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by -19-AgainstAll on Oct 28, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
turn off NHL 12 and come back to reality
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i'm assuming his plan involves getting a first round pick for the rest of the team
and then trading three first rounders each for ovechkin, stamkos and chara
IS THIS FOR REAL
i cant belive that this is going to be lines . We demote the #1 center we been trying to get for a couple of clowns to be on the first line who shouldent be in the lineup .stepan gets put on the forth line and hes way better then the the other rejects and AA dosent deserve that either.torts has fucking lost it and also has lost the team.but thatsb ok cause after about 2 shifts those lines will change anyway cause he dosent know what hes doing .Bring on marc crawford to coach or anybody with a half a brain please
Relax.
Those will only be the lines for 10 minutes. It IS time to scratch a few people and make a call-up or two.
Who would you like to see called up/scratched? I agree with you, Im just curious what you’re thinking.
by Eastern Impact on Oct 28, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well unfortunately, due to injuries we are a lot more limited. EC is obviously totally useless, and Rupp is as well. MZA is still out, but Carl Hagelin could probably still benefit from 3rd/4th line minutes. Those would be my #1 and #2 call-ups I think.
Agreed. So what would our bottom six look like?
Hagelin – Newbury – Wolski/Rupp/EC
Feds – Boyle – Prust
Hagelin and Newbury had good chemistry on the Whale playing with Deveaux, so I’d think they could generate something with of those guys no?
by Eastern Impact on Oct 28, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, or maybe something like:
WW—BR—Gabby
Pack Line
Hagelin—Step—MZA
Fed—Boyle—Prust
You could swap someone else in the first line LW spot but depending who it is, you weaken the 3rd and 4th line by doing so. Br and Gabby could carry WW, keeping Step on 3rd with effective players and keeping that 4th line intact would outweigh throwing Step or Feds on the first, I think.
Also, literally just saw it got posted that MZA is back tonight so he’d be an option as well now.
by Eastern Impact on Oct 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOM

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Strive for bottom five.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 28, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really a practical option
I don’t think this kid is gonna light things upon arrival in the NHL. That means your looking at a few years before he’s an impact player, and in the meantime you’ve got our “young core” sucking up $4mil a season each, and Gabby, BR, and Hank turning in the wrong direction age wise.
We’re not the Sabres, the Blue Jackets, the Isles or some other fly by night, jo-jo organization. We’re the NY Rangers. We’ve got all the resources necessary to put a winning team on the ice. If you’re willing to “fail” for a full season to draft a kid, then wait 2 more seasons, atleast, for him to be an impact guy, why not make some moves with what we’ve got and try to bring some elite talent by trading off our middle of the road “young core” and finding a coach who can show a team how to win?
by BuckarooClub on Oct 29, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery with open net goal and immediately gets into a fight. Seconds left and Whale now lead Adirondack 4-2.
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Game over Whale on a 4 game winning streak.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 28, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont get it
I’ve been just as worried as a lot of other peoplee on here about the play of this team. I was going along with the long road trip and fatigue excuses and after listening to leech last night on the post game saying its been a common accurace for a team to come out flat after coming into a “new building” or this case a renovated building for the home opener. So I was willing to give them a couple more games before drawing a conclusion about this team but I’m starting to think more and more maybe its Torts who is the problem . I mean come on, the constant juggling of the lines is getting ridiculous and now this? What reason could he possibly have for splitting up the only line that has produced!?! How are u gonna put Richards on the 2nd line and EC on the 1st!?! I’m not giving up on this team but its getting harder and harder to believe that Torts knows what the hell he is doing.
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Oct 28, 2011 10:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
anybody got a list of coaching candidates?
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 28, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Please please
Pretty please bring up Avery. He might not have the greatest statlines but he draws the attention from the others teams and, not to mention, big apple media away from other players. Experience in this league is valuable.
by UConnMRB on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
wtf is Avery going to do?
we need scorers or guys who actually shoot the puck at the goalie
this team is full of grinders and thats the problem, we dont have scoring talent
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 28, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
bring him up to do what?
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by Kevin Power on Oct 28, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to
all the career years? Blows.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Oct 28, 2011 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Roman Horak, 4 points in 2 games
Not saying we shouldn’t have made the trade, actually I am glad he is doing well for Calgary so they don’t feel so slighted.
I was going to post this, but the fans, they are restless. Wednesday night he scored his first goal. He also had an assist and was first star of the game. Erixon will pan out though.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 29, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, fans should not feel an ounce of regret about this trade. We need a solid starting 6 defender a hell of a lot more than a 20 year old forward with some scoring skills who still projects to be on the 3rd line. We have a lot of promising young forwards.
Yeah, it stung (Horak was a personal favorite of mine), but you have to give to get. Erixon should be a NHL defenseman for a long time.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of you on here need this....

Relax. Lets see how we look after this homestand too. So we had a bad start big deal. We all know what this team is capable of. Are they playing up to their capability? Obviously something is wrong, but it looks to be team wide. I think time is the the only thing that will cure us. Wait until we get some more practices and home games in. If I am wrong, you all can flame me. We will hit our stride. Whatever is holding the team back, it is holding 90% of them back. We will start winning and getting confidence. It will happen. They don’t look like they are having fun out there.
As I keep saying, relax and have a beer. We will start playing better, and it will happen soon. The bright side to all this is that there is a very strong draft next year. :)
We are playing a hot team tomorrow. Lets enjoy the game, win or lose. Win!
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Talk about "smoke and mirrors"! :(
I think the most hilarious but depressing thing is somehow concluding from all of this that EC is now the #1 line center.
Last I checked, the NHL & thus Ranger player stats define that a “line” (e.g. the G-A-G line) is when at least TWO of the three players are on the ice together or when the G/A/P occurs.
Ergo, if EC and WW, both of whom most fans agree are at best 4th line players if not very lucky AHLers, are on the same line together, then NEITHER of them has been PROMOTED to the #1 line…
No, Sireee!!
It means that our BEST player thus far this season, poor old Gabby – who to this point has meshed very well with some measly-salary-earning guy named Richards – has been duly rewarded and inexplicably DEMOTED to the 4th line.
Nice going there, “Coach”?! :(
You need to chill. How long do you really think that line is going to stay together? Half a period? We know Torts is going to juggle lines to try to “spark” things and we know that EC has had some extremely limited success playing with Gabs in the past so a few minutes of this should not be surprising.
Also, I do not think most fans would agree with your EC/WW on the 4th line statement. Most fans think EC should be off the team, sure, but WW has actual skill and potential and has only had a couple of games to suck as much as 90% of the team.
I totally disagree with Torts about effort not being the reason for the dull play. It has everything to do with effort. If they play like they did last year and the first period on Thursday then they will be fine. Enough with the line changes. They will sink or swim with the lines of BR/Gaby and the Pack Line. The team was constructed around these combinations and to disrupt that having not even played 10 games is ridiculous. It’s a clear sign that it is the coach that is panicking. Relax Torts. You just signed a 3 year contract and you’re not going anywhere. Let the players play together on the lines that should be constructed and let them figure it out. And please get WW, EC, and MDZ off the team. George, this is for you. If you want an example of why stats are flawed, look no further than MDZ being the team leader at +4 so far. He should have been a -3 within a 3 minute span on Thursday if not for the King and his partner Sauer.
George, this is for you. If you want an example of why stats are flawed, look no further than MDZ being the team leader at +4 so far.
You’ll find comments all over BSB of me saying +/- is a terrible stat for evaluation w/o context.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The blind hatred of MDZ has gotten ridiculous.
He has improved in every game since the start of the season with the exception of thursday, and he wasn’t even horrible on thursday. Btw, he scored a goal and should have had another one during that game also
While I agree with not juggling the lines, just wanted to post this via SNYRangersblog:
Ryan Callahan told Blueshirts United: "You’re going to play with different guys and lines through the year, but the most important thing is everybody is supposed to be playing the same way, and everybody is supposed to be doing the same system. More than who you are playing with it’s how you are executing what we need to do. When you juggle lines like that it doesn’t affect us too much on the bench, except that it should light a fire under us when (Torts) does it."
Brad Richards repeated something that he said earlier in the season, "If it was working there’d be no line changes. It’s simple."
About context:
Here’s a fun one.
Which player would you rather have?
A) 28 games – 3 goals, 9 assists, +9, 52 shots on goal, 14 hits
B) 24 games – 1 goal, 3 assists, -7, 44 shots on goal, 34 hits
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And if you don’t like either of them I"ll give you a third option:
C) 26 games – 5 goals, 8 assists, EVEN, 34 SOG, 11 hits
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re all under contract by the Rangers already.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I really want to frame your comments righ
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
right now that is.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
it would be too easy to say “A” but I will say “B” because I like the hits. Player B obviously has some offensive talent by the SOGs so it’s just a matter of time before that player scores regularly.
Ok, you pass then.
Those are the February-April 2011 totals for:
a) Wolski
b) Avery
c) Christensen
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by George E. Ays on Oct 29, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to ask this question… Who would you rather have, Andrew Ladd or WW?
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by nathansfamous on Oct 30, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I always thought shit rolled downhill, now it's on the first line?
if this doesn’t work out…can we just waive EC outright? We can’t put him back on the 4th line to play even more ineffectively.
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