New York Rangers News: Marc Staal Placed On IR, Sean Avery Assigned To AHL
by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
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The New York Rangers have officially shut Marc Staal down for at least the immediate future, placing the stalwart defenseman on injury reserve today.
The move was expected once the Rangers announced that Staal would not be making the trip to Europe for the Rangers' season opener. I would go into detail about what the move means for Staal's recovery, but I don't have any information on it. Incidentally, no one else does either.
And while Marc Staal (post-concussion headaches) was not going to be available for either of the games in Stockholm (also against the Ducks on Saturday), general manager Glen Sather told the on-site New York Post this morning that Staal might be out for a month.
Of course, that's how it works with concussions. Staal was going to be out a week. He could miss a month. He could miss two months, etc. Nobody knows right now. Staal certainly doesn't know. All he can tell the Rangers is when he stops having headaches after intensifying his workouts. The Rangers did not give a reason for why Staal did not skate yesterday, a setback is obviously one of the possibilities. TSN's Bob McKenzie suggests that Staal may shut down his rehab for now while seeking more medical opinions.
Join me after the jump for more.
Unfortunately, right now, the only thing the Rangers can do is bide their time with Staal. He has experienced symptoms when ramping up is workouts, so it's going to take some time to see when the headaches subside, or even to wait out the setbacks. The reality of the situation is that no one knows.
The Rangers are doing the right thing by shutting him down. I would much rather Staal miss the first 20 games of the season then the final 60 because he was rushed back. In the end, this might be a situation we need to be patient with, and that's what the Rangers are doing right now.
In other "expected but now official" news, the Rangers have assigned Sean Avery to the Connecticut Whale.
Whether or not he reports remains to be seen. He might be seeking employment in Europe, since he is already there, but we'll have to wait and see on this as well.
Also, since we didn't report it earlier, Brandon Dubinsky will start the year as the left winger on the first line. That might be an indication that Wojtek Wolski isn't fully healthy, or that John Tortorella thinks Dubinsky has earned the spot. Either way, it should be fun come Friday.
Thoughts on all this guys?
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Not Surprising Staal goes on IR. If he isn’t playing, why not accrue potential cap space that can be used down the line if needed? doesn’t affect his return, its just a paperwork technicality.
the top 4
Assuming the top four is McDonagh, Girardi, MDZ, and Sauer, That makes their average age 23 and a half. maybe the youngest top 4 in the nhl?
given the youth among the top 4 guys here, why didn’t Sather go after decent available guys like Campoli early in the process and set up a respectable 3rd pairing? My concern is that the coaches burn out these guys early in the season by giving them too many minutes (which will hurt them later in the season). Internally at least, the Rangers must have had a sense that Staal was really hurt.
Headaches have not been proven to be tied to concussion, only assumed. lots of things could cause them.
But yes, eric should be grounded.
Yup, Staal was never “diagnosed” with a concussion.
by teknics on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stop the denial.
We know what it is.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I only speak truth not opinions. I’m not saying it isn’t a concussion, simply saying he has never been diagnosed as actually having suffered a concussion.
by teknics on Oct 5, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW cortisone shots are not used in treatment of concussions, just saying.
by teknics on Oct 5, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, its used to treat ailments thought to be related to a different injury. When it doesn’t work..your still facing the ugly truth.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only current truth is he is having headaches. You ever know anyone suffering from severe migraines? There’s been no reports of dizziness, weakness, etc that would definitively point to concussion.
Hell Jonas hiller had friggin vertigo for a year, there are other illnesses out in the world besides concussions.
Could it be a concussion, sure,but I’m not gonna be an armchair doctor and diagnose the kid with a concussion when plenty of other real doctors haven’t been able to conclusively reach that diagnosis.
Your turn.
by teknics on Oct 5, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No. You are blindly accepting a statement from people with a vested interest in obscuring the truth.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So you’re know angling for it being a conspiracy? Do you read your own “anti-establishment” garble?
I see no reason that they’d hide an official concussion diagnosis, they’ve thrown the term around enough to raise suspicion of it being a concussion.
There’s doubting a corporate spin and then there’s just crazy. It’s a thin line but once you start clamoring about conspiracies it may be a bit late. Next you’ll be claiming Staal went to Denver airport for his diagnosis.
by teknics on Oct 5, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know about the Denver airport?
Kidding. I think they have been spinning this since day one. Slats is working the phone on a deal and doesn’t want to deal from point of weakness.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gabby
I think we’re all in agreement that he had a concussion and the headaches are a cause of that. I think the point is that there MIGHT be another cause.
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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your saying there's a chance!
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong movie
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nope. thats not a state trooper helmet
Dumb and dumber all the way
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad
I confused it with Me, Myself and Irene
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Perhaps if Marc spent more time doing what Eric was doing, and less with “momma Staal” he wouldn’t have gotten drilled.
What?
You’ll take any opportunity to bash him won’t you?
The Rangers are a significantly worse team without him, plain and simple.
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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1000
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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 5, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously, as of right now we are a playoff team because of Staal. Without him we are a bubble team who might just sneak in. (remind u of anyone?)
No way.
Staal is difference between top 4 and 6/7..not 8/9/10. He probably costs them 10 points over a whole season. 95 instead of 105. Between Hank, better offense and assets/cap room to make a move. I think your a bit off.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, his own brother took the opportunity to bash him
If you’re a 6 foot 4 defenseman in the NHL, you should expect that some contact might be coming your way in the corner. If you’re not gonna be a skill guy, you’ve gotta be ready to be a physical guy. That’s something Marc Staal hasn’t worked at, and it came back to haunt him here. Would Eric Staal try to make that hit if little brother weighed 214, not 204? Maybe not, although Eric gets the whole “swinging dick” mentality of the NHL, so he probably would have atleast tried.
by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is, Marc looked up and saw that it was his brother. Who would think your brother would be such a douche and hit you like that?
Gabby, how does the date 2/22/11 fit into your prophecies? 2 × 11 = 22 or 22/2 =11.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 6, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We've gotta look for a top d-man
I don’t think we should be counting on Staal coming back and giving us what we need. The head injury isn’t going to help him develop his physical game, or improve his play with the puck on his stick. If he comes back, and can contribute, that’s great, but I think it’s in the best interest of the team, and Marc Staal to shut him down, and look for a replacement.
Your just loving this whole scenario aren’t you buck?
by CrazyRangerFan on Oct 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
I’ve never been a big Staal fan, but that doesn’t mean I want to see injured. I don’t really want to see anyone injured (Maybe Marty or Sid, if we’re being real honest) and I’ve always said, i thought he could be a great piece in trade to the right market. I might not have cared if he was a Ranger or not, but what good does this situation do? Why do I want him not playing, not tradeable, and eating up $4 mil in cap space?
by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell are you talking about?
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I’m talking about the fact that after, what we are now all seeing, is a VERY serious concussion, things aren’t just going to go back to normal for Marc Staal. He’s one hit away from retirement, and forcing him back doesn’t help that. When, and at this point IF, he does make it back, he’s going to have to be more aware. How well will his poke check works when the forwards KNOW he’s going to shy away from corners/contact? His game with the puck had room for improvement, and now he has to get better with the puck, while constantly listening for footsteps.
If I’m wrong, that’s great for the team, but if I’m right, we need to take action. Also, the longer we can shut Staal down the better. Give him every chance to get it back together, but that’s still not a guarantee. Look at Marc Savard. Better to be safe, then to be sorry. If Staal is important as he’s been made out to be in that post, the urgency to find a player to fill his roll should be even stronger. As much as people on here WANT to see Marc Staal come back, the reality is concussions suck, and are serious ones are hard to come back from.
by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So how does that logic work signing Richards?
not arguing, just asking.
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by bleed'n blue on Oct 5, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If Richards had lingering concussion symptoms, I'd be saying the same thing
The upside with Richards is that’s he’s at the end of his career. He gets blasted again, and he pretty much just walks away, giving us back our cap space, and letting us move on. No holding a spot, or hoping he can play. I know that sounds mean, but from a hockey perspective, I think it makes it easier to look out for the interest of the team.
by BuckarooClub on Oct 6, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric Staal
We need a Brendan Shanahan video re Eric Staal! Maybe he shouldn’t play until Marc returns. Works for me.
it’ll make ovechkin when they play the b-way blues and doesn’t see staal back there.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
It would not surprise me if we come back from this trip to Europe with a 2- 0 record. A lot of people are freaking out. We’ll be ok until Staal comes back and or a temp. replacement is found for him. Give the rooks a chance too, before making judgement.
Question/Discussion: If we were to make a trade for a D-man, who would it be and what would we have to give up?
The Rangers will make it through this. Once again, what is being a Ranger fan without a little heartache, heart attack, or just chest pains in general?
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I wouldn't be surprised if we came back 0-2
McDonagh/Girardi and MDZ/Sauer against the likes of…Kopitar, Brown, Penner, Williams, Richards, Gagne and also Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, and Selanne…that doesn’t bode well for us. Unless our offense plays very well, I expect us to be 0-2 or luckily 1-1.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
And I think LA could cough up a late lead.
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by Danz10 on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MCD / Girardi = 30 min. (lol)
MDZ / Sauer = 20 min
E / E or Bell/Bick = 10 minutes.
We still have our best defenseman in the King.
This is doable, especially if we stay out of the penalty box. Yes , we don’t have the strongest pieces back there, but it is part of a system. Our system is good.
Staal was 4th (In the league) in average minutes played per game last year at 25 +, that will be very hard to replace by anyone in the system or via trade.
I just don’t think it will be that bad. Players step up and meet the challenge.
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by nathansfamous on Oct 6, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Prepare for the messiah. He shall lead us by lighting the lamp
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
I can always count on you Gabby to scare the shit outta me.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah...
Rob Lowe…Youngblood. When Dean was getting his ass kicked.
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by Danz10 on Oct 5, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, wow!
Well played!
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by Danz10 on Oct 5, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, for everyone who undervalues Staal,
here is your chance to see the team without him.
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Redden might not be the worst idea
Some else would have to verify this, but I think if we had kept Avery, and got close to the cap, we could bring up Redden on “Emergency Recall”, bypassing waivers and the salary cap. Hard feelings aside, the guy has turned a corner in Hartford, settled his game down, and mentored a bunch of the young guys were gonna be counting on. Even when he was with the Rangers, the argument was that Redden would be a suitable 3rd pair if it weren’t for his cap hit, the is the chance to make him exactly that.
Ummm....
We have a serious problem at defense right now. I was not impressed by what I’ve seen from these guys in Europe so far. Erixon is not ready. I hope we pull the trigger on a trade very soon. The ice just got thin real quick.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 6, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahha
poor old guy, I never found out how he got banned, last thing I remember was him being in the hospital or something.
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he got banned for insultiing Boogaard after he died
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