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New York Rangers Team Metrics Update: Smoke and Mirrors

            Nearly three weeks ago I wrote a post explaining that the Rangers needed to pick up their play. Now, if we stick only to wins and losses, the Rangers have certainly done just that. Certain players have played better, this I will touch on, but unfortunately the team as a whole is winning by using smoke and mirrors (a well-said term by George). Here's the chart, explanation after the jump.

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I was as pumped as anyone when Avery went bar-down the other night, but looking at this chart makes me worry, a lot. Besides the goaltending being top-notch, somehow the Rangers have found a way to take the fewest amount of 5v5 shots (slightly more than the last post - but still good for 30th in the league) all while giving up a ton of 5v5 shots and scoring a good amount of 5v5 goals. This is a bad mixture, especially because the goaltending will probably see a hiccup or two eventually.

So then I thought, well maybe the PowerPlay is why they're scoring, but nope. 21st overall in PP% and, even worse, 27th in 5v4 SF/60 and a slightly below average 19th 5v4 Shot%. The Rangers, are indeed, winning with smoke and mirrors. I believe they can play a better, more consistent game, and I hope they find it real soon - because I feel bad for the backs of Lundqvist and Biron already.

Here are some player notes:

  • Ryan McDonagh is emulating Marc Staal - fantastic stuff
  • Torts is finally playing Christensen in his correct role: a shootout specialist with minimal supportive minutes
  • I also like how Torts is matching up Gaborik successfully against some lower competition
  • Artem Anisimov - as discussed recently - is still the jack of all trades so far this season
  • Derek Stepan is holding his own in the top six and playing against top six competition. I still expect a dip eventually, but he's a beauty.

To wrap things up: I think we should all be happy the Rangers have stolen some points through 15 contests, but there is still plenty of room for improvement.

[Note by Rob L, 11/15/11 3:38 PM EST ] If you're just reading this now, I apologize for one thing; the 5v5 Shooting % on the chart. I had them at 28th, when infact they were 3rd. While this doesn't change the stats I based everything off of (meaning I still stand by all my claims) - I messed up the sorting on behindthenet.ca and didn't even realize this (I wrote that part at work... whoops). I apologize, but if you're reading this now its all fixed.

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are these numbers and ranks cumulative or do they only account for the period since the last post?

by XLII on Nov 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

yea i see your point. if so, its these numbers that are smoke and mirrors. a better guage would be direct stats, not ranks, and taken from when the winning streak started

by nhl21 on Nov 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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1) Yes these are ranks, as noted by the NHL Rank header.

2) I provided the “Change” in rank column to show the difference from right before the winning streak. The only two that changed significantly were the Goals For over 60 minutes (up 14 rank to 12th best in the NHL) and Shooting Percentage (down to 28th from 9th best in the NHL).

So somehow since the winning streak started the Rangers are scoring more goals while taking the least amount of shots for over 60 minutes in the whole league AND giving up a bottom-third of the league rate in shots against. This is unusual, extremely lucky, and in general an indication of a team that isn’t playing as well as its record might suggest.

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by Rob L on Nov 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Again though, for clarity sake, are the stats that you use for the rank comparison cumulative? Does the 5v5 GF/60 include the entire or season or only the last x amount of games since your last metric post? If it is the former I would be interested to know how the Rangers’ metrics ranked based solely on the last x games.

by XLII on Nov 14, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The ranks there are cumulative. There’s no easy way to split them.

What I can tell you is that the last few games have not been any better than the first. Their ‘quality’, i.e. scoring chances, has improved, but they’re still getting outshot bad.

Now, score effects do come into play, and that they’ve been leading often during the win streak means the totals won’t be great, but even if you look at only score tied data, they’re still lacking badly in the shots department.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So somehow since the winning streak started the Rangers are scoring more goals while taking the least amount of shots for over 60 minutes

SHOT QUALITY!!!!! :P

by NTB on Nov 15, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It is troubling, but its always good to be capitalizing on the chances you get. Of course we want more shots on goal but for now I’ll settle for this team being those douchebags that score 4 on 20 shots.

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

But...
I’ll settle for this team being those douchebags that score 4 on 20 shots.

But, this will not continue all season long, as the chances of this are very rare.

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by Rob L on Nov 14, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we may be those douchebags that score 4 on 20 shots but I think they have been very quality chances. I mean last game we had a stuff in, a wide open net on a rebound, and however marvelous Avery made it look it was virtually a break away.

But like you say Rangers better start getting more shots on goal fast.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Nov 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why I included in the beginning of the sentence “for now” :)

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, we must be a nightmare for opposing goalies SV%’s.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Nov 14, 2011 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

I guess we don’t shoot unless we think it’s going to go in haha

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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Great teams get great bounces!!

by GBK2 on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Good thing wins and losses are the only numbers that mean anything

by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 14, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Wins and losses don’t predict future success as well as the shot metrics do.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 14, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

did u predict the bruins would win the stanley cup entering last year’s playoffs based on shot metrics?

by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d venture to say without looking at the stats that they didn’t exclude the possibility.

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 15, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruins

The Bruins rode one of the best goaltending performances in recent memory. In reality the Canucks skaters were better.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Did I? No, I’m not in the predicting business. Nor did I say that shot metrics predict future success without question.

I said they’re better than using win-loss records. Going back to last year’s cup, would their win-loss records have predicted the Bruins beat the Canucks?

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

uh-ohs haha

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by Moshe52792 on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Extreme goaltending at either end really distorts the picture.

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by red army line on Nov 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that. They’ve won 6 in a row and they’re playing great. I couldn’t careless about all these stats, just keep winning. The Bruins scored only 10 goals on 88 PP chances in the playoffs (That’s horrible) and they won The Cup.

Can they improve? Yeah. Have they been perfect? No. But are they playing great and winning? Yes and Yes.

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by NYRangerFan718 on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

if numbers like shot metrics meant anything, guys like George would be very rich by betting on hockey games because shot metrics told them who would win the game barring a couple of bad bounces.

I respect George’s opinion but I think hockey is not like baseball and basketball when it comes to how numbers forecast future success and determining how good theyve actually played in the past. If shot metrics really were a good forecaster of future success a 7 game series would be easy to predict for people who delve deep into numbers. I dont think these number crunchers would have a higher winning %age when it comes to predicting playoff series than somebody who judges teams by the eye test alone

by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 15, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Sample Size

Metrics only allow one to have an educational guess at an outcome, not a guarantee. A 7 game series is such a small sample size that anything can happen, let alone your one game “betting” theory.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, the sample size refrain….that’s why playoff performance doesn’t really matter, right? After all, they only give out championships when the playoffs are over…..

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by greifi griffie on Nov 15, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget Halak.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh my lord yes

I was just thinking off the top of my head last year – but my lord he might be the golden child.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course the playoffs matter. Obviously Bruins fans aren’t returning their title because they weren’t ‘supposed’ to win. Underdogs win all the time, it’s not surprising.

The point is that pointing out that an underdog won as some example of why you shouldn’t bother with stats is silliness.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

remember when we signed

valeri kamensky because he was a playoff performer?
david eckstein has a world series mvp you know.

by nrmax88 on Nov 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no one out there that makes money via sports betting that judges solely by the eye test. They all use metrics to some degree.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I recommend this site: http://objectivenhl.blogspot.com/ as reading material for your questions over the predictability of hockey. It’s math intensive, but JLikens does as good a job as anybody at showing the methodology.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ehh

you guys are being very ignorant about it..yes its not a perfect science but what is? if i had to go with a team to win a game on either your analysis (basically a wild guess with not much evidence backing it up) or George and Rob’s shot metrics and so forth, im going with the evidence that is usually backed up with credible information. that being said, i still think the rangers look better, they are improving but definitely need to shoot a lot more.

by Kevin Papa on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 AM EST reply actions  

?

We’re being ignorant? By acknowledging outside information that indicates the Rangers don’t deserve to be on this winning streak? This is actually quite the opposite of your “credible information” – (which, by the way, what is it? You didn’t’ seem to explain or prove that) – where your ignoring contrary opinions with confirmation bias of what you only see.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

He meant the other guys that are dismissing the use of numbers because they don’t like the story they’re telling.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

True, my mistake Kevin

I read it on the mobile then commented when I sat down – still didn’t read it right. I’ll leave the original comment though but I agree with Kevin.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No problem

I didn’t exactly write the clearest paragraph either. Not that I’d ever go blindly either way but as you guys say “the numbers never lie” it may not be 100% but it at least shows a pattern you can accurately go with.

by Kevin Papa on Nov 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

To go blindy either way would be the height of ignorance. The beautiful part about having and understanding these numbers is that its like having another set of eyes from the non-biased fan view. Because while we all may only remember a select number of plays from a game, these numbers encompass the whole 60 minutes of play.

Nothing has changed since that late-october post for me: This is a team that is being outplayed for the majority of the game and they are making a handful of nice plays per game that are somehow allowing them to win. To expect the bounces to go positive all year is just unrealistic.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Richards says it perfectly in Brooks’ column this morning and I’m paraphrasing, would you rather play great for 58 minutes and lose 2-1 or make the plays when needed and win without playing 60 minutes? I’ll take the latter, thank you. We’ll see what they do against the likes of the Flyers and Pens as those games are coming up shortly. First and foremost, let’s finally beat the hell out of the Isles on Long Island please. I’m sick of watching this game (when the Rangers play there) and it means more to the Isles than it does to the Rangers. On paper this should not be a problem for the Rangers but that’s why they play the games. BTW, not suspending Lucic is a bad decision and sends a bad message. Bad call Shanny.

by Richter1994 on Nov 15, 2011 7:07 AM EST reply actions  

the problem with going results over process,

is that results alone aren’t sustainable for a long period without the right process. Sure, you can win games where you are outplayed by being opportunistic and a bit lucky, but doesn’t the team that plays better win over the long term? More often than not, you don’t lose that 2-1 game when you outplay the other team but for a couple of minutes.

by nrmax88 on Nov 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

but I don’t think they have been that outplayed. they have been in games just not playing great so making plays have made up for the shortfalls. If they were being totally outplayed night after night then I would agree with you. But they haven’t, IMO.

by Richter1994 on Nov 16, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t need metrics to realize that the Rangers are not yet playing great hockey. I feel like during this winning streak we have consistently played to about 50% of our potential, maybe 75% in that last game only. Our first line has been the only one playing at 100%, the 2nd and 3rd have been at 50%, and the 4th line barely a factor.

That said, pulling a win streak out of that is a good sign, even against weak competition. When the 2nd and 3rd line finally click into place and Anisimov and Dubi play like 20 goal scorers, and Prust and Boyle like 10 goal scorers, we will be dangerous.

But we aren’t there yet. That why I find it a bit ridiculous that in yesterday’s new Power Rankings we were #3 on ESPN and #1 on TSN!

by BigB22 on Nov 15, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Power Rankings

Power Rankings are the biggest sham in pro sports. Thats why there are big swings from week to week with certain teams – because all Power Rankings indicate is who did the “best” last week (aka won games – deservedly or not); something I can just look at the standings to find out.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and for the record

I don’t want my worries to come true – I hope the Rangers stay as one of the luckiest teams and continue winning, alls I’m saying is there is information out there that indicates the Rangers will probably hit a skid eventually, so I won’t be SHOCKED when (or if, but its more when in my mind) this happens.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

If they’d just shoot more this chart would begin to balance out better.

More shots = more goals, so Sht% would adjust (minus hot goalie situations)

More shots =(generally) less SA/60

I feel like some of our really bad games, shots wise, sort of tilts this chart. 16 shots in one game will skew it, nevermind having I think 3 sub-20 shot games.

Altho multiple low shot games means it’s less of a “skew” and more of a trend I guess

Regardless, more pucks on net.

by teknics on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

My concern.....

is that we only have 1 player in the top 40 for points on the season (Gaborik). Girardi and McDonaugh are on the top 40 for defense (Hits) and (+-), which is awesome. This means that if Gabbo goes down, where is the scoring going to come from? Our competition – Philly, Wash, Pitt, Buff, have multiple players in the top 40, which represents some offensive depth. I was hoping with the addition of Richards, our offense would be on fire.

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

+/- and hits stink as a measure of defense. Aside from that, few shots = few goals = few points.

This is a corollary of what Rob is addressing here. The Rangers are shooting 10.7% at even strength right now, which is extremely high. For comparison, the previous 4 seasons have been 8.3%, 8.2%, and 6.6%, 7.2%. (League average is btwn 8.1-8.4 every year)

The highest any team has achieved in the last 5 years is WSH in 2009-10 at 11.0% (where they scored a billion goals) and Pit in 08-09 at 10.2%. Those are the only 2 teams that cracked 10%

So the Rangers are scoring goals by producing goals at a rate exactly one team has achieved in the last 5 seasons (where the data is available). Either we’re witnessing something remarkable, the shots improve, or the goals will dry up. (where stories of gripping sticks tight will emerge)

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you feel +/- stinks as a measure of defense?

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed....it stinks for individuals stat measurement.

http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20

Not bad as a team stat though.

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok?

That’s fine to an extent if you want to take it to a team scope, but you originally were speaking about individual players, which is why I provided the link I did.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Thanks for the link. I was originally speaking about individual players.

It just seems like the stat should really be based on team achievement some how, and not as a stat based on individuals.

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, which is why you can’t use it to measure a player’s defense.

As for the hits element, there’s so much scorer bias involved (MSGs guy credits them like they’re going out of style) that except w/in your own team, they don’t do a lick of good.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it has a ton of noise/luck involved.

Rob’s link is good, as is yours, but I want to give my own explanation:

If you take it to an absolute extreme for starters, lets say you have two defenseman that are so bad they allow the other team 5 breakaways every game, and those are the only shots they allow while on the ice. One gets Lundqvist as a goalie, the other gets Steve Mason. There’s a strong chance the guy with Lundqvist is going to end up with less minuses on his plate than the one with Mason over the long run, even though both are equally inept and allowing the same ‘shot quality.’

From the other side, let’s say the guy with Lundqvist gets to play with Ovechkin-Crosby-Henrik Sedin every night, while the guy with Mason gets to play with Ben Eager, Trevor Gillies, and Zenon Konopka. Same deal, in some weird turn of events, each team gets 5 breakaway opportunities with the player on the ice. Which one is more likely to rack up the pluses?

That’s what it basically comes down to, as the link below says, if you play with good players, you’re more likely to be plus. On top of that, you’re dealing with percentages often. A team might shoot 10,11, or 12% with a player on the ice over a period of time, which is going to make his +/- look better, while he might also play with a better goaltender, which will drive his results.

That’s before getting into competition levels and such (do you think it’s easier to be a + player when you have Eminger’s role or Girardi’s?) Thus, it really doesn’t have much value.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The more I analyze it, the weirder the +/- stat becomes.

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. That’s why Corsi (or shots +/-) came to be. It gives a much larger sample and eliminates the goaltending effects. It’s a truer picture of how a player has contributed. Even then, it requires some context about usage and competition, but generally it’s a better tool.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But....why do we not have more players in the top 40 for their prospective position?

Excluding the king of course. Is it our system?

Also, if our players (Anisimov, Dubi, Cally) were on other teams, do you think they would be producing more offensively?

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by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well for one, the top 40 should be the best of the best. We only have 2 guys that could even be considered there, one is in the top 40, one is 2 points outside it.

The power play’s lack of success doesn’t help either. If you look just at even strength scoring, we have two of the top 40 (Gaborik , Anisimov)

As for DAC, I’m not sure they’d be more productive, simply because all 3 have reputations as strong 2-way forwards, so I think even on another team, they end up with the heavy lifting defensively. That hurts their offense as much as being on our team does. Anisimov and Dubinsky might to better because they aren’t getting PP1 time here, but could on some other teams.

You don’t need scoring title guys to win. Boston had 6-7 guys last year in the top 180, which would be about the baseline for top 6 scoring. If the Rangers have 6 guys in the 40+ points range, they’ll be fine, even if Gaborik is the only one that ends up being in the top 40 in the scoring race.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Tonight

Tonight should be interesting (all data here on out 5v5), because the Islanders are taking a below average amount of shots but have been shooting the lights out at with the 2nd best S% in the league. Couple this with giving up more shots than the Rangers and average goaltending and I’m thinking this game should be wide open.

NYR needs to stay out of the box though, as the Islanders PP appears to be much, much better than the Rangers PP.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

My mistake

Had the chart updside down! Juggling work and play yeeesh. Good catch.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm an Islander's fan. I've been looking at that chart for a silver lining for the last 2 days. The sky is falling in Islander country.

The silver lining is that there are 7 teams with worse 5v5 shooting differential than the Isles : The Rangers -6.5, Car -6.3, Nasville -6.0, Edm -5.9, Ana -5.3, Minn -5.2 and Dal -3.4 then the Isles at -3.2. Of course most of those teams are doing well in the standings! Goaltending (or luck depending on how you look at it) rules in a small sample.

by TMS71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Lundqvist/Biron are earning their pay so far.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You really need score tied for this stuff, even if it kills the sample. While the Rangers have been bad, they haven’t trailed for more than a few minutes in any of their last 5-6 games, so that’s going to drive the total differential down.

The Rangers also have the wonderful MSG scorekeeper to deal with, which is almost certainly screwing with their Corsi to some (possibly irrelevant) degree.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

TOI is easy to use, but it’s a bitch to compile team rankings.

http://www.timeonice.com/mplayershots1112tied.php?team=NYR&first=20001&last=21230&hv=0

That’s gives you the Rangers. Change NYR to NYI gives you the Isles w/ score tied.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds about right. I know it’s fugly.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoring chances tied I had about 45% or so, slightly better, still not pretty.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you can change ‘tied’ to ‘close’. I think thats w/in 1 goal in the 1st 2 periods plus tied in the 3rd

by TMS71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct. The older scripts used to have lead/trail also, that doesn’t exist now though.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

A comment on another post made me think of this

But anyway to see how our numbers from 08-09 match up to this season. That team is all I keep thinking of watching those guys.

by BuckarooClub on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

The 08-09 team was killed by luck in the other direction. As mentioned above, our shooting percentage was in the toilet that year. Our 5v5 shot metrics were actually quite good, 6th in shots for, 8th in differential. If we had just league average shooting, we’d have had another 30 goals.

Link is here: http://www.behindthenet.ca/2008/team_data3.php?sort=15

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Help Me Understand?

If our Goals for 60 is up 14 places to 12th and

our Shots for 60 is relatively the same.

How does our Shooting Percentage drop 19 places?

What am I missing????

by CTrangerfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Good Hint

Kritikal provided a good hint – when the stats get updated the Rangers can fall or rise in the rankings despite not playing.

But in general, when I wrote the original article the Rangers ranked 9th in the NHL in 5v5 shooting percentage and if I can remember correctly (no way to go back to an exact date – but I was inspired by the numbers to write) the number was unsustainably high. So part of the reason is regression, the other reason is that since October 26th until yesterday, the total number of Ranger 5v5 shots has risen (due to more games)… along with their 5v5 SF/60 has also ticked up despite them being last in the league (as I mentioned in the article above).

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure I’m missing something?

And I realize that early games in the season with a small sample size will throw off the data.

It sounds like our shots per 60 has had to improve substantially? Even if it has not brought us out of the basement. Either that or other teams games are changing drastically?

Feels like a piece of the puzzle is missing to me.

by CTrangerfan on Nov 15, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I think that's shooting percentage.

Rob’s got his chart upside down. The Rangers are currently 3rd (or 28th by opponent save%, as he has it listed).

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by George E. Ays on Nov 15, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

That’s what I get for doing this stuff at work, had it upside down. My mistake. Rangers are 3rd in shooting percentage (I’m fix my chart on the article quick)

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I really do apologize

I rush at work to get the comment in. I’m going to fix it now.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No reason to apologize. Love and respect all you and George do!

Keep up the good work!

Wish I had time to dig in myself, but don’t. I count on this site for insight into the team, even when I’m not posting.

Thanks Again!

by CTrangerfan on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate it.

George knows his stuff inside out, I try to keep up.

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by Rob L on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

At least you know someone is reading it.

by CTrangerfan on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate seeing the stats… they are certainly key. It shows us where the holes are, and what we need to improve. It doesn’t predict the future, but of course, if we don’t start getting more shots, we won’t perform well throughout the entire season.

One thing the stats don’t factor in though, is the “find a way to win” attitude of the team, that Torts preaches so loudly. This is the type of team that can win when out-shot, and that’s a positive thing… but they need to get more shots consistently, in order to play a more complete game. Every game is a unique event, and its possible to have low shot totals, but still be successful.

Like Rob said above, you can’t go to far in either direction (stats vs. anti-stats), because thats ignorant – but we have to recognize the importance these indicators, because they are areas to improve this teams game.

by j-red on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
-Yogi Berra

by middletownbull on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Leafs fan

I can say these stats are useful…. hot streaks end when they’re unsustainable like this. Leafs were better in the standings than they actually were and it has started to come crashing down to reality.

When and if it does, these are things you’ll be able to point at to see why it’s impossible to keep up a 20% team shooting % or .950 sv% indefinitely.

However until that happens…. enjoy the ride. 7 wins in a row is huge.

No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.

by nhlcheapshot on Nov 16, 2011 4:35 AM EST reply actions  

One more link which I forgot about, but is the basis for trusting Corsi Tied over win% for predictions early on:

http://objectivenhl.blogspot.com/2011/03/loose-ends-part-i-predictive-validity.html

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by George E. Ays on Nov 16, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

As always the PP needs to score. Stop looking for the perfect shot and drive one on net and a rebound shot can convert. Other than that I think the Rangers have done very well.

by NYR #35 Richter on Nov 21, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

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