Bobby Ryan Trade Rumors: What It Would Cost To Get Him
by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST
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PrintFor the past few days I have seen more and more questions, comments and posts on the availability of Anaheim Ducks forward Bobby Ryan.
Now, I'm not trying to add to the rumors that are already swirling around, Larry Brooks did that for me. Brooks tweeted yesterday that Glen Sather has already kicked the tires on Ryan.
Re Rangers and Ryan: could be proverbial "tire-kicking," could be more, but NYR wouldn't deal Stepan or McDonagh, among those off limits
Source: Rangers have had preliminary talks with Anaheim about Bobby Ryan, level of interest, ability to make deal unclear...
The Ducks are rumored to want a young defenseman, a young forward along with some NHL talent to fill in right now. It might seem like a high cost, but 24-year-old players who have three 30-goal seasons under their belts don't come around very often.
Join me after the jump for more.
Before we really get into what prospects the Rangers would need to shell out to make a play at Ryan we need to look at the NHL-ready talent. Players like Derek Stepan, Artem Anisimov, Michael Sauer and Ryan McDonagh should all be off limits. Brooks only mentions Stepan and McDonagh, but the Rangers can't afford to part with Sauer or Anisimov either.
The logical choice would be Brandon Dubinsky. Both have similar contracts (Dubinsky has a cap hit of $4.2 million while Ryan comes in at $5.1 million), both are currently struggling (10 points for Dubinsky, 11 for Ryan) and they are around the same age (Ryan is 24, Dubinsky is 25).
The prospects is a little trickier. I don't see Tim Erixon going anywhere (the kid had nine points in 10 games in the AHL) and I would think the Rangers don't want to give up Chris Kreider. But guys like Christian Thomas, Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Bourque or even Carl Hagelin might be on the block.
The Rangers have a plethora of young defenseman available, but I will say that the Ducks probably don't want Michael Del Zotto. They have a young offensive defenseman in Cam Fowler, although I'm sure the Rangers wouldn't be totally against moving him if the Ducks really wanted him.
I know those are names you don't want to give up but, like I said above, 24-year-old, three-time 30-goal scorers don't come around very often. Plus, you need to give something to get something in this league.
So what are your thoughts guys? Is Ryan worth the price?
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I posted this in another thread, but I am going to post it here too.
I think any trade that gets Ryan to NY, is going to be a regrettable one. The price is going to be too high, and Im not so sure Ryan is as great a player as everyone thinks. He’s had the privilege to play with Getzlaf and Perry most of his career so that obviously helps with his point production. Also Ryan plays a perimeter game, something that wont sit well with Torts. He doesn’t drive the net or get dirty in the corners, something we will lose out on if we give up Dubi or Boyle. Also Ryan doesn’t fill a glaring hole on this team, sure a 30 goal winger is nice, but do we really need him at this point? The team is playing great just the way we are constructed. Also I don’t like Ryan’s attitude, from the few times I’ve seen him play he seems to walk around with a sense of entitlement, which could connect to why he doesn’t get dirty in the corners or drive the net because he thinks he’s too good to do so. I don’t think Ryan would be a good fit with this team at all, and giving up valuable pieces to acquire him would work against our favor.
Yes the team is playing great...
But that doesn’t mean you don’t look to improve. We’re 2nd to last (last time I checked) in the conference in goals scored.
And I disagree strongly at the price, it won’t be steep at all.
Dubinsky+Erixon+Thomas+2nd is the type of package he will get, and isn’t steep for a perennial 30-goal scorer who’s only 24.
And I disagree about his attitude. Torts can get “star scorers” to buy into his game. Gaborik this year, anyone?
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
A Top 20 NHL prospect + top 100 or so guy + a draft pick isn’t steep to upgrade from a 20-25-45 guy to a 30-35-65 guy?
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Erixon may be ranked top 20...
But he’s expendable to us. Left side is locked up, especially when Staal comes back. He really doesn’t fit into our future going forward: Staal-Girardi, McD-Sauer, MDZ-Eminger/(eventually Big Mac). Also wasn’t all that impressive his first time up, and I mean his physicality. Soft players can go please.
Thomas is 100% boom/bust. At best he is a 100-mile longshot to become the player Ryan is, and at worst he is an AHLer.
Draft pick is ok, we’ve been great in later round drafting.
And then Dubi v. Ryan? I don’t think that’s really up for discussion. Ryan’s only making 1 mil more (about), and has 10x the skill and offensive ability.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Players get expensive really fast, especially when they’re good. It’s not really possible to have a logjam on D forever. When you do and have to move a guy out, then it helps to have someone like Erixon waiting.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan will put up 25 more points a year, maybe. If he does that, you have to subtract the fact that Dubinsky is a great defensive player, can hit, brings a physical presence, and can win faceoffs. Ryan can do none of those things.
The gap between them is there, but its not worth Erixon, Thomas, and a 2nd. Thats crazy.
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people should stop criticizing our offense. yes we always want to get better. but i just looked at the stats on nhl.com myself. rank all teams by Goals/Game. rangers are a respectable 11th with a 2.81 avg. for comparison, 1st is philly with 3.48 and last are our neighbors on LI with 1.96. we are far from 2nd to last in offense, please.
If a trade is made MZA and Dubi are definetly going to be involved… and thats just a starting point… It’s so aggrevating to me that the Rangers always have to pay a kings ransom for anybody while dallas dealt james neal for practically nothing…
We are looking at
Dubi/MZA/1st Rounder/ a dman
the defensmen that they command is all up to debate obviously theya re going to want a guy like sauer with the whole cam fowler project going down there, but i would nix this trade if sauer had to be in cluded… i coud deal with dubi and MZA… MZA is never going to fit here and Dubi for Ryan is a major plus on our side…
who knows though, sather has pull the proverbial rabbit out his hat more than once… maybe he gets them to take wolski and valentanko…
all of this depends on the direction the ducks are heading… is it a fire sale? if so wolski’s contract is over after this season… are they just trying to shake up? from what i’ve heard the big 3 on that team are being shopped…
bobby ryan would make one hell of an addition to the rangers in the division we play… he’s big he’s physical he’s young and he can score… but it’s all about what the right price is… i personally think it’s a pipe dream
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Not a pipe dream at all
Look at the packages Richards/Carter got: really not all that steep/crazy
Anyone really opposed to a Dubi+Erixon+MZA/Thomas+2nd/1st?
Literally just a swap of Dubi for Ryan on the current roster, w/o hurting our depth at all.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on many fronts.
Sather has made a lot of questionable FA signings over the years but when it comes to trades, he has worked a lot of magic. Ryan would bring a big contract and I highly doubt Sather would undue all the good he did with the Gomez deal by taking Ryan and giving up valuable pieces.
I think any trade should exclude Erixon, Bourque, Kreider (of course), Hagelin and even Thomas. McD, Sauer and Stepan go without saying.
Hey, Anaheim is the desperate party here. Sather is in a position of strength and has all the chips. No need for him to give in.
Dexeaux on waivers, btw
So Hags staying for now!
For now yes. Rupp, Wolski, like it or not, are getting healthier.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
so they can be sent down… I think Rupp stays. you know George, you (I) have to have one legit enforcer on the team. :). you know for the spot game tussles against the Flyers, etc.
I’m not going to say anything..but you know that whole possession/Corsi/shot metric thing that Rob and I harp on? It’s been a shit ton better w/o the enforcer in the lineup.
I don’t care if the other team starts icing Pacquiao and Mayweather, there isn’t a forward on the roster right now I’d replace with Rupp/Deveaux.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
George, I’m an accountant so I respect the #s 10000000000%. BUT the one thing that changes a player’s game is intimidation and the lack of overall protection can really hurt a team in a particular game. I don’t want Prust fighting twice in one game like he did against the Flyers. Just my opinion.
What in the last 3 games has screamed “protect us!”
Prust’s fights had nothing to do with protection. Nor did Avery’s. They’re (finally) outplaying teams, good teams even. I hate to see that disrupted because something ‘might happen,’ especially when that something stands to happen during one of the 55 minutes that Rupp/Deveaux is not on the ice.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hitting works just as well as throwing fists for intimidation.
Skill is also a great way to intimidate opponents. We don’t need the caveman on the ice when we have a few guys who are willing to drop the gloves if they need to (Prust, Avery, Sauer, Dubi, Cally, etc.). The new NHL has no room for pure enforcers.
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In a non-flashy and business-like way, the Rangers have moseyed into first in the NHL in fighting majors. I remember watching the Devils when they were at the peak of their success…it seemed as though everyone fought. It was team toughness, which the Rangers have. I would like a bit more on the D but they have been playing great otherwise.
I have to chime in here-been lurking and following discussion
Love to get Ryan, but that’s a pipe dream;
I kinda was prophetic on the whole “Rupp get injured” thing when he signed. I agree with you Dig Deep and George—the goon thing is just not necessary. hitting, physical play and all that is what makes the game. plus, as Deveraux showed Sather, you can find a cheap source of Goon in the minors.
I REALLY hope he stops signing goons from now on….(pipe dream
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be honest, if he’s going to sign goons, I don’t care much. For the love of god the multi-year, $1m+ contracts for them have to stop though. 1 year, minimum salary. They’re completely replaceable players.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
well, my point exactly. its a waste of cap space if you ask me
the guy didn’t learn from the other goon Rupp replaced….heh.
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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if this trade goes down-I am certain MDZ and MZA both go
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Both go where?
In the trade? Or they are done as Rangers?
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I think either or (done as Rangers/via trade)
but I could just be shooting a random thought out -
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ducks won’t want MDZ, they have Fowler.
Zuke might be involved in a deal, wouldn’t break my heart if we had to give him up, especially if it means we get to hang on to a strong prospect.
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but MDZ could go in a separate deal
good point about Ducks wouldn’t want him, but stranger things have happened
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Let's take a look at the Mike Richards trade
Flyers trade:
Mike Richards
Kings trade:
Wayne Simmonds, Braydon Schenn, 2nd round pick
Let’s keep in mind several key facts:
- Mike Richards is a premier center in the NHL. In five years he has scored 133 goals (and 349 total points), he is only 26 years old, and he is a complete player. Bobby Ryan is 24 years old and has 105 goals through three seasons.
- The Flyers wanted Richards moved. Just like the Ducks want Bobby Ryan moved.
- Mike Richards commanded a return of a solid young power forward (Wayne Simmonds), a 2nd round pick, and perhaps the most noteworthy blue chip prospect in the entire league at the time (Schenn).
So in order to get Mike Richards the Kings had to give up one hell of a prospect, a top six forward (many would say Simmonds is top 9… but he’s young, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt), and a 2nd round pick.
How much more does Bobby Ryan command in return?
I would argue that he could command more than Mike Richards but not a great deal more.
So you can start to look at it like this:
Brandon Dubinsky, 1st round pick, role player, mid-to-high level prospect (Bourque, Thomas, etc.)
Why do I add the role player? Because though I would take Dubinsky over Simmonds any day of the week, I respect the fact that Simmonds has enormous potential and is two years younger than Dubi. The Rangers also have a surplus of role players and can afford to let one go without missing the presence of any one bottom six player too much. I could argue that the 1st round pick could be turned into a 2nd round pick depending on the quality of the prospect we are sending the other way. But you can justify a first round pick and a lesser prospect (compared to the quality of someone like Schenn) in order to make the deal work for the Ducks.
I would hope to get a late draft pick in return for this deal because we would be moving so many assets to land one big fish, but that may just be me.
Anyway those are my thoughts on it. I personally would like to see what the kids we have can do but you don’t get many shots at landing a young guy like Ryan.
My package:
Dubi, Boyle, 1st/2nd round pick, Thomas/Bourque (hoping Slats can make it work for a 2nd)
In return:
Bobby Ryan, 4th/5th round pick
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by Dig Deep on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For the cap space:
$4.2 mill Dubi 4 years.
$1.7 mill Boyle 3 years.
$5.1 mill Bobby Ryan 4 years.
Ducks currently have $3,618,737 cap space (in other words, plenty of room)
Other reason to trade away a “role player” is to get under the cap.
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I am thinking the same thing……
Dubi, Zuccarello, Valentenko and a 2nd, for Ryan and a 4th
The Ducks get a hardworking, gritty, wing that can provide leadership in Dubi( he is struggling now but he is a 20 to 30 goal scorer in the right system.
This guy has talent and will thrive in the West Coast style which is closer to the european style he excelled at. Never going to play full time in NY.
They get a young defender they want in Tank and he will be a good player at some pointm he will never see time in a Rangers uniform though.
2nd rounder is a decent retrun with this package.
In Ryan we get a talented scorer who can play physical as well. He will not be a bust here. Imagine a first or second line of Ryan, Richards and Callahan? That is insane.
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Zuc re: West Coast and European style. i think he is a logical choice over Boyle…..but Boyle would bring bette cap relief.
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I hesitate to call Zuke a “prospect” because he is already 24 years old. But he is a younger player and could be used to sweeten the pot in terms of the prospect we send. The Ducks might be intrigued by his skill set knowing that they won’t have Selanne much longer and have to find some depth scoring.
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+1
Logical and appealing for Anaheim. Dubinsky is a gamer, MZA is un tapped talent yet to find his stride in the NHL, and a young big D man in Tank. Plus, they can draft another D man with the pick.
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by middletownbull on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Richards and Ryan are different situations
The Flyers were moving Richards and Carter as part of a changing of the guard. They were happy with what they had in JVR and Giroux, thought they were ready to fill that role, and that needed to clear 8 mil in cap space for a goalie.
I’m not sure where Anaheim is heading with this move. I’m not a believer that they are looking to sell everything, and start over. I think it’s more about creating a spark, and getting the team back on track, then it is about clearing cap.
by BuckarooClub on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good point to raise Buck, but I was suggesting looking at the Richards trade in terms of it being another blockbuster deal with potentially similar pieces being moved around. In other words, it is a good deal to look at in terms of understanding what we might have to give up to land Ryan.
The only reason I bring up the cap space issue is because we have to free up a good deal of cap space to make Bobby Ryan fit in our salary cap.
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Right on, I think if you make this move, WW could go the other way to make up the cap hit. The fact that it was made clear that Step & McD are not available makes me think thats the roster players ANA wanted. I think it’s REAL short sighted on our part to hold both of them out. Give them one of the two (I’d lean towards McD) and make them take someone else as the other roster player. It’s fair, neither one of those guys project to be the player Ryan is, whatever one we give, we are upgrading to Ryan, and we make up the difference with our glut of prospects.
What’s really going to decide the price is what other teams are offering. Toronto’s package probably has Kadri in it. Buffalo has goaltending to offer. At some point it doesn’t matter what we are willing to pay, if it’s not enough.
by BuckarooClub on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get it digger.
2 days ago you said “I’ll pass” to a trade of Kreider, MZA, and Valentenko for Ryan.
Today you are advocating for a Dubi + Boyle + 1st + Bourque for Ryan..
What changed?
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Pretty simple, don’t want to move Kreider.
Trade of Kreider, MZA, Valentenko for Ryan I might think about but I would rather go with the guys we have now. Not to mention the issue of it not working salary cap wise.
The trade that I wouldn’t hate is: Dubinsky, Boyle, 2nd, Bourque/Thomas for Bobby Ryan and a 4th round pick.
But like I said before, if I had my choice… I would prefer not to do it, I like a lot of the guys we already have… but you can’t really say no to a player like Bobby Ryan Moshe. They don’t come along that often. Tough one.
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Agree, it’s a tough decision regardless.
So you value Kreider, MZA, and Valentenko above Dubi, Boyle, a 2nd, and Thomas?
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I value Kreider. MZA and V-tank are expendable.
Dubi and Boyle make the most sense in the trade because of their contracts and the need to free up cap space for Ryan’s big contract.
If we could trade Zuke, V-Tank, and a bunch of other spare parts for Ryan I would. But it just won’t work that way. You have to look at the cap hits and the fairness of the deal.
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Not to mention I wasn’t really “passing” on your specific proposal, I was passing because I didn’t want to move Kreider unless we truly needed to.
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I'd like to see what Krieder can do in a Rangers uni
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Given the choice I’d much rather have Mike Richards than Bobby Ryan, I don’t think Ryan will command more.
Debatable. I thought it was a good place to start in terms of understanding what it would take to land a player of similar value.
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Dubinski & Young D man (maybe Bell) & 2nd round pick in 2012 for Bobby Ryan
Would hate to see Dubi go, but if it brings in Ryan, nobody should be complaining. And if Anaheim is serious about the move, hopefully they’ll realize that Ryan is a star, but not quite a superstar.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions
+1
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Dubi but I don’t think he’s s Ryan
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Huh?
“Young D man” Brendan Bell.
Bell is 28 years old. He is a journeyman. No one in their right mind would do that deal.
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I meant a young D-man OR Bell. Mis-type.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Nov 30, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Bell gets you anywhere close to bridging the gap between Ryan and Dubi.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Dubi / Tank / 2nd rounder for Ryan should be more than sufficient.
They’re a team in peril… they’re selling, not buying.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking...
Dubi, MZA, Christensen or Wolski, and Delzotto or Valentenko
We are doing well right now and would only really miss Dubi and DZ. But we get Ryan in return and Marc Staal back from IR.
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Maybe
We should just ask if they will take Christensen anyway, in any trade scenario. lol.
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by middletownbull on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
lol who the heck wants the shoot-out king (EC) in a trade?
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
ANA waived EC. Pretty sure they won’t want him back.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
You remember where we got Christensen don’t you?
Off the waiver wire… from the Ducks.
They aren’t taking their own garbage back. And you can’t trade an injured Wojtek Wolski. They also would have zero interest in MDZ because they already have a player like that in Cam Fowler.
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I’m not a fan of MDZ, he is not the second coming of Leetch as some think he is……but he has been relatively steady, I would not trade him unless the deal depended on it and then you might be able to opt out of another player or pick in the package.
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Yup. They’re going to want at least a capable center to handle 2nd line duties (since every center on their team not named Getzlaf can’t really carry that role), and/or a pretty good/stud shutdown D since their blueline is mostly geared for offense. They’re a top heavy team that I don’t think is in total rebuilding mode, but they will want to replenish their supporting cast.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think Saku Koivu would like a few words with you about their depth at center.
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I assume this trade is geared toward the future and if the Ducks are willing to trade away a core player like this, it means they’re conceding this season.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point, but I doubt they are throwing the entire season down the drain. They have too much talent and can fight their way back in based on their offense alone (even without Ryan in the lineup).
They have Emerson Etem in the pipeline. Cogliano is a good third line center… there is some stuff there but you are right, they would probably want a younger center in return. My suggestion is Boyle.
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I posted in the Bobby Ryan FanPost that Brian Boyle should be apart of the deal because Randy Carlyle likes his third line centres. The only reason the bottom sixes aren’t getting PT this year is because Randy has no one like a Pahlsson or Marchant that he can trust on the ice.
Boyle would be an instant upgrade over Gordon, Macenauer and Maxwell if he were to be included. And he’d be an instant Carlyle favourite.
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He is coming off of his best year and is struggling a bit this year but his two-way game is very strong.
Amazing size and decent hands for a huge player.
He also has a “trade happy” contract, $1.7 mill for three years (including this year).
The Rangers also have a surplus of depth forwards so I can see us moving him without too much issue.
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I’d say a package around:
Boyle, Dubinsky, McIlrath/Erixon and a 2nd round pick would be more than enough for Bobby. Del Zotto is no use to us.
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I know MDZ is no use to you guys, you have Fowler.
I doubt us moving Erixon (we just landed the kid and we only got him because he refused to play for any team but New York more or less). And it is unlikely that we move McIlrath but it could happen… you guys would almost certainly have to send a draft pick or a prospect in return though. It is not often that teams give up four assets for one asset.
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I know you know about the MDZ thing, I just wanted to clear that up.
And you’re absolutely right about the 4 for 1, especially since it didn’t take that kind of ransom to get Richards and Carter out of Philly.
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The logic in Dubinsky for Ryan is a no brainer, plug him in with Getz and Perry and that is a sick line as well. I don’t think the distance is that far off in value to each club. This might be a deal that could go down for less than we think.
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In this type of situation, I think you have to examine if the player is replaceable. In my opinion, a player like Dubinsky is not as you would be hard pressed to find someone else that plays this way. I know everyone loves McDonagh and I have even said his offensive flashes are impressive but he can be replaced. I cannot see a defensive lineup with Erixon and McDonagh. I feel the same way about Anisimov. I think you also have to think about the loss of Dubinsky in the locker room and his relationship with other players. However, I think Anaheim realizes that Dubinsky would fit in nicely on that team and I think about a line with Dubinsky and Ryan.
Its a hard sell and I think Anaheim would easily be able to see through a trade that sends all our extra crap over there like it was some kind of fantasy hockey deal. We would get back a second overall pick who has shown tremendous finishing skill. Its obvious he is done over there but its important that the Rangers figure out why. He came clean about his past…it would make sense at his age to experience some PTSD symptoms. That is pure speculation but still worth evaluating.
You wrote:
“He came clean about his past…it would make sense at his age to experience some PTSD symptoms.”
So I asked you, what was it about his past?
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He might be referring to Bobby Ryan’s crazy early life:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270
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Crazy. And as a resident of Toronto, I’ve heard some even crazier stories from him in Owen Sound. Not a pretty relationship with him and Pops.
Don't shake the foundation.
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I think the guys answered the question. I think it was more prominent in my mind because of the impact of mental status’ on game-play more recently. The death of Boogaard, the plane crash, the Marc Staal hit…they all had an impact on the players, where it became impossible to separate real life from the game. Of course, in the case of Ryan, it may just be something with the team but it is something to think about.
It's worth bringing up again
At some point a defenseman needs to be moved, looking at the organizational math: (expected healthy defense of Staal/Girardi/Sauer/McD/MDZ/Erixon/McIlrath).
I would venture a guess and say that Sauer and MDZ would be the only two the organization would even listen on right now, even if it meant Ryan in return. With MDZ = Fowler, you’re looking at Sauer only, assuming the Ducks want an NHL d-man in return, and I have to guess they would.
Given Staal’s health, and the developmental time needed for Erixon/McIlrath, it’s not the time to trade Sauer. Thus, I don’t think the Rangers will end up being a fit.
The only way it will work is if the Ducks are looking to fill out their depth, in which case Dubi + Boyle + Thomas (or similar 3-forward incl a non-NHL player) maybe gets it done.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 2:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Your way gets it done cap-wise but I still think they would want a draft pick in return (see my above post).
If it can get done as a straight 3 for 1 with those players I’d take it and run.
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In other discussions I’ve had about a Ryan proposal, I’ve wondered whether Sauer could be a future Girardi if you leave McDonagh on the first pair with Staal. Essentially if the Rangers had a top 4 D of Staal-McD and Erixon-Sauer leaving 3rd pair minutes to Del Zotto and eventually McIlrath (although I think he’s far enough into the future that more than just the defense will be revamped) is it worth the risk of surrendering Girardi if it lessens the overall package that needs to be sent the other way?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
With Staal out of the lineup? You’d be sending the kids to the wolves. The first pair would be McD and Sauer. They are good but a great way to ensure that they will lose their confidence is to put too much pressure on them too early.
Dan Girardi should be untouchable with Staal out of the lineup.
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Here’s the thing, I don’t know if even with Ryan the Rangers are necesarily Cup contenders this year (although if Staal comes back and the package required to attract Ryan is more prospect based than NHL player based they could be a darkhorse).
I’m more looking at the next couple of seasons where the Rangers would have Staal, more experience with McD and Erixon (who I think would constitute the top 3 D). The depth of the Rangers farm system is on D, and while there are some intriguing players like Kreider and Thomas in the pipeline up front, I don’t expect either of them to be playing a significant role on the team for at least 2 years based on the current crop of forwards.
Sure, they’d be sacrificing a solid D, but Ryan is arguably a top 20 forward in the league. If Dubinsky was playing up to his level from last year, or along the lines of the 25G/35A level then he would make perfect sense, but it will be a tough sell on a guy that’s struggling as badly as he is right now. Girardi appears to have strong value and maybe incurs a smaller cost in the long run.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Before this year, I’d absolutely agree with you on Girardi. Not now though, not with Staal’s health.
As they’re progressing now and just looking at roles, Sauer’s the guy that looks like the odd-man out, because McIlrath is projected to do what he will.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Essentially I was taking cap hit into consideration, and while I’d have no issues with giving up Sauer he doesn’t free up enough cap hit. Because I wouldn’t start “throwing in” a guy like Dubinsky on top of Sauer just to make cap numbers more feasible.
Girardi helps more with the cap situation and while he would be a tough egg to let break to make an omlette, I seem to think he fills a more immediate and longer term need for the Ducks.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
All of my opinions are not based around the Rangers hoisting the Cup. I like to think of them as a playoff team right now, but a 6th/7th overall finish in the EC playoff team.
There is no doubt that Dan Girardi will become expendable if we get a healthy Marc Staal back. The problem with that statement is that ugly “if” word. There is no true timetable for Staal’s return and we simply don’t know if his injury might be an ongoing issue… it is just too dangerous to give up the only reliable veteran d-man we have to add more offense. It goes against the whole character of our team to do something like that.
I don’t think Dubinsky is going to be that difficult to sell to the Ducks. Remember, they are the ones that want to move Ryan, putting Dubinsky on a line with Perry and Getzlaf would certainly wake his numbers up.
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are you kidding? we are definitely cup contenders this year. it is time to make a push. at some point the future becomes a fantasy. we just beat three of the top teams in the Eastern conference which, by the way, if you take into consideration that we’ve played fewer games than anyone else, we are on top of.
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I didn’t say we weren’t contenders. I said that the roster as it is right now is good to make the playoffs in a low seed.
If we get healthy and get some consistency out of inconsistent players and get our best defenseman back, I can see us challenging for a deep playoff push. But I also have been watching a team that struggles every few games and doesn’t know how to play against teams with speed, a team that has a terribly inconsistent powerplay, and a team that takes a lot of bad penalties.
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A lot of underlying metrics strongly suggest the Rangers get outplayed pretty often. I’m not going to take a small sample size of beating some pre-season contenders to mean the Rangers are now contenders too. Look at last year, they trounced the Caps in the regular season a few times and then made a quick exit in the playoffs. I think the Rangers are close, possibly in the next 2 years, but for this year I’m happy with not having to wait until the last day of the season to qualify for the playoffs and then winning a round. Making a trip to even the conference finals would be a hell of an accomplishment now that the Pens are healthy and the Bruins are reverting back to a strong team.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think once this team gels
and it’s getting better and better as time goes on, we can be cup contenders. We have all the pieces in place, Ryan would just add an extra 30-goal scorer. Can’t hurt right?
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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Expendable?
Sure Girardi isn’t the most positionally sound defenseman but a lot of what this team is built around: toughness, the “give it all you have” shot-blocking, fighting through injuries, etc stems directly from his style of play and I think we overlook some of the intangibles he brings to the table. Not to say he’s completely untouchable but even with Staal’s impending return I would think long and hard before I ever trade him.
Also good of you to bring up the surplus of D in the pipeline. But the ducks would probably want an NHL-ready player and in terms of what we are willing to give up (that isn’t hot garbage) Sauer and Erixon are the only true candidates. Erixon was just acquired and has all kinds of potential and Mike Sauer is too crucial to the current lineup.
Not going to be sending one of those guys over.
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Way to steal my post Joe :)
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Why is everyone so quick to trade Dubi?
I know the guy is having an awful season, but he led the team in scoring a year ago. And unfortunately, he is mired in Tort’s doghouse, so getting extra minutes will be tough. The fourth-line relegation may be deserved with his play this season, but it is also not helping him return to his former self
I personally think he should be playing in Boyle’s spot. Boyle does not have great hands and is not having a great season either. Dubi would make Hagelin and Mitchell that much better. Dubi needs more ice time. The fourth line gets barely any offensive time or shots and disappears in the 3rd period. He has shown that he thrives under pressure and more minutes. I know he doesn’t deserve it, but Boyle does not either (or at least doesnt deserve it any more than Dubi) and Dubi has more potential when he breaks out of his slump. He needs confidence and riding the pine wont help build it. He is a player the Rangers will have to call upon this season.
Plus we know how he gets along with Cally and the others and I’d hate to lose that. A known, even when struggling, is better than an unknown, that being Ryan’s chemistry and productivity in the East.
All I know is that last year, everyone would scream bloody murder if anyone suggested trading Dubi and now he is thrown to the wolves. Ryan may be good, but will he be a good fit. and would upsetting the team chemistry be the right move at this point. The NYR are playing their best hockey in years.
Plus Ryan will take someone’s minutes from the top 2 lines. He wont be a 4th liner like Dubi is now. Who loses time because of him?
by truebluesince75 on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
Why Dubi?
First off: To make the trade reasonable. You can’t just send a bunch of B- players to land a Bobby Ryan. You have to give up at least some quality.
Secondly: Cap space. This trade can’t get off the ground unless we are willing to move a sizeable contract to the Ducks. Brandon Dubinsky’s contract fits the bill quite nicely.
Thirdly: We aren’t moving Dubinsky because of his rocky season, we are moving him because the deal likely doesn’t work without him involved. If not Dubinsky it would have to be AA, Cally, or another valuable, young asset. Dubinsky is the most attractive one to move for several reasons.
In short, it is Dubi’s name coming up because it has to be him.
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Ryan > Dubi. Like I said in the other thread, I’m as big a proponent for Dubi as there is, but Ryan’s just better (not to mention a year younger). Others would run Dubi out of town for a ham sandwich, but I think most realize that in this case it’s an upgrade at LW.
Plus Ryan will take someone’s minutes from the top 2 lines. He wont be a 4th liner like Dubi is now. Who loses time because of him?
Easy: Fedotenko. GAS line stays together, Ryan slots next to Richards and Callahan. Avery can center the 4th line between Feds and Prust.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Looks good to me.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
totally ignoring the point of this thread
im salavating at the idea of dubi with hagelin and mitchell. theyve looked great the past two games and would fit awesomely with dubi. plays exactly their tempo and can make the line great on both sides of the puck. if they keep playing like they have then THAT is a bonafide 3rd line if you ask me.
May as well just move on then. It’s incredibly doubtful they’ll take MDZ.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no chance the organization trades Erixon right now. Possibly less than none, barring Crosby/Ovechkin/Stamkos coming back.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Who is the most tradable out of Erixon, McIlrath, Sauer and Girardi? Think you could rank them 1-4?
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Tough to call with Staal out of the lineup. We probably don’t want to trade any NHL level players because we have our best one out of the lineup.
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As I said before, right now I’d rate them 1. Sauer, 0. McIlrath 0. Erixon, 0. Girardi. Don’t think there’s a chance they listen on any of the last 3 right now.
If we’re assuming they would, that’s the order, I think.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
It is impossible to think of moving the NHLers with Staalsy out. We’d be fucked.
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Well if those NHLers were Eminger and Woywitka
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's something stupid
And no real pro team should ever do it. And Del Zotto has been a lot more sound in his own zone recently.
But Tortorella and Sather are both Old Fashioned. Really old fashioned. Were they showcasing Del Zotto with the amount of minutes he got last game?
Ducks don’t need two Fowlers on an already dreadful defensive team.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Plus we have Justin Schultz in our system. What the Ducks need is a perennial big hitting partner for Fowler. Someone like McIlrath would have to be apart of the deal if I’m Bob Murray.
McIlrath, Kreider, Late-round pick would do the trick I think. Although I’m really doubtful New York would give up that kind of package.
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I would do that in a second but the $$ have to work for the cap so that’s why we assume Dubi has to be part of the deal.
That’s true. I suppose Dubinsky really needs to be included to make the salaries offset.
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Not likely the Rangers would move two of our most recently drafted first rounders.
Not to mention the cap space issue. That trade can’t work with our salary cap. We have about $180k free.
We need to send contracts to you, i.e. Dubinsky, Boyle.
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He doesn’t want to be traded at all.
The real problem is Randy Carlyle. Aaron Ward, Joffrey Lupul, Brendan Morrison, among other all hated his systems and couldn’t wait for their tenures to end. But stupid Bob Murray gave Carlyle an extension last year, and since he doesn’t want to look bad, and since the Ducks work under an internal cap, there is no reason to pay for two coaches. Murray will blow this team up before he every fire Randy.
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I know its early
but I’d do absolutely nothing to this team right now. Ryan’s a very good player but I see no reason to go and make a big deal like this.
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agreed, Im sick over seeing all these crazy trade proposals.
by CrazyRangerFan on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
but by all indications it sounds like he will be dealt and it’s just a matter of who ponies up the most.
This is (sadly) true. I’m sure Murray is in the stages of compiling offers from GM’s.
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is there any sentiment over there that maybe ryan shouldn’t be the one too go? i thought that getzlaf was the one who was really disappointing this season
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people don’t want Ryan, but rather Getzlaf. But as I pointed out, a #1 C is the hardest position to find. Ask the Flames and other teams who traded one and never have had one since. It’s the wrong move to trade in my opinion. Don’t shake the foundation.
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agreed completely. rangers fans know what it means to not have a #1 C. i was just asking because i had read that somewhere else
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
It should be noted though that it’s rare, if not non-existent, for Sather to make a trade in a position where he doesn’t have leverage. I’d be shocked if he got into a bidding war for Ryan, but I suppose we’ll never actually know if that is the case.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
has there been any talk about the lightening? they have plenty of cap space if i remember correctly and line a ryan, stamkos and st.louis would be incredible
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Basically what y'all want
Is trade away our best young players who we worked hard to develop in order to get a player with one more point than Dubinsky. Sounds like an awesome deal!
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
bobby ryan is a far better player than dubi… and i’d hate to trade dubi, but if we got bobby ryan in return i’d be ecstatic…
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Bobby on Broadway. He’d be really good to tell you the truth.
He’s in some ways overshadowed by Getzlaf and Perry in Anaheim, so he could really spread his wings on another team. And then you get instant Callahan/Ryan chemistry when 2014 rolls around.
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Overshadowed or helped a lot
That’s one of the best lines in hockey not because of him but because of the guys around him. He has 11 points. That’s not worth a top 6 forward, a top 4 dman, a top tier prospect and a high pick.
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can’t base on this years stats alone. Everyone has started slow on this team except for the Flash and MVPerry.
Bottom line is, Bobby Ryan will consistently net you 30 goals a year playing with a really good centre. The fact that the Rangers would have the opportunity to add such a sought after winger after signing one of the best centres in the game would make the Rangers a favourite to win the Cup out of the East.
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Dubi, Sauer, Prospect, Draft pick - Ryan
I much prefer the guys we have right now and the ones coming up through the system.
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What prospect and what draft pick would be realistic to you 336?
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They aren't taking MDZ.
That leaves Sauer and Erixon. I really don’t want to lose them.
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's we was said about Higgins
I know he isnt Ryan but I have heard that speil before and sometimes playing in your hometown hinders more the helps. pressure can be a awesome burden
by truebluesince75 on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Just a quick note
Right now with our team we have a team that probably makes it to the 2nd round and puts up a fight. Clears the first round obviously.
We add a legit star talent like Bobby Ryan and we become Cup Contenders. We get another legitimate goal threat and a physical body to take pressure off gabby and richards.We may even have the best line in hockey if we try Ryan- Richards – Gaborik. And a solid core behind that with our youngsters.
I don’t care what it takes other then AA, Stepan, and our core guys but we make this trade now. I don’t know about you guys but i want to see a rally already and i want to see Henrik with a cup.
If its Dubi and MDZ or MZA or Thomas we give it up and make the trade now. This is our time.
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finally
A guy who sees the big picture.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
This is true.
A guy of this calibre barely ever sees time on the trade block, and I think the Rangers need to look for that future 40 goal scoring star to play with Richards during the long haul of his contract. You would indeed become instant Cup contenders like I mentioned above.
It’s a no-brainer to sell some guys for Bobby. He’s the big name, consistent winger Richards wants I’m sure.
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agreed totally Dubinsky is not a natural goal scorer. Does he have a good shot ? yes its average . Does he have amazing vision and passing ability? Its about Sub Par .. Hes a good player gritty and hard worker but not a bobby ryan type
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
This was my point above
you NEVER see a three-tim 30-goal scorer who is only 24 years old on the trade block. It just doesn’t happen.
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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Add to that ‘one that doesn’t have issues’.
This is not a small, soft player. Not a player with issues. Not a player that is sitting out or demanding a trade.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong place to do it but..
Just a quick question as you seem to be the knowledgeable Ducks fan helping us out with our questions lol..Is Ryan prone to carry the puck into the offensive zone or would he be able to co-exist on a line with Gabby handling the puck all the time? I feel like that could be an overlooked problem.
Ryan for Dubi, (Sauer or Erixon) and Thomas
But if Sauer goes they need to make a 2nd move for capable D because you cant plug Erixon in and expect Hank to stand on his head more than he does already. Problem is WW and MZA have warts right now.
Thomas is expendable because JT Miller is looking like a man child right now in OHL and Kreider is ready right now.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How good is Christian Thomas? Any NHL-player comparison someone could give me?
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Uhm…not sure but he’s got an a to a+ shot, on the smaller side with great speed and hands
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His dad, Steve? Lol.
He is a diminutive forward with a lot of goals in his stick. Pretty strong skater.
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Lol, if he’s anything like Stumpy, then we could use him. Need guys like that.
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Last year in the OHL:
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Not too shabby.
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But like 19 pts in 10 playoff games really looks good
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 1, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Who do we trade for a defenseman like Sauer
The guy is solid. He Never makes mistakes. Find a cheap dman who is like Sauer and than there is a possibility.
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I highly doubt Sauer is going to go
the Rangers need Sauer as much as they need Girardi.
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Am I in the minority in thinking that involving Anisimov in a trade would be more than fine? Or is that we are all assuming Anaheim would rather have Dubinsky?
Rather give up Dubi than AA
AA’s cheaper, and can play a C role much better than Dubi. I take the cheaper/more versatile player.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Good point. I guess I am a big fan of Dubinsky’s style of play and tenacity. Its not easy to find in the NHL.
I agree.
I’d hate to lose Dubi too, but Ryan makes us a contender. I feel Prust/Boyle and co. can step up their hard-playing games to make up for it.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
If we could avoid it, I wouldn’t trade either. But because of cap considerations among other things, Dubi’s the more replaceable player right now.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I really, really like Dubi and it would break my heart to see him go but getting Ryan would put us into cup contention this year. We’d be just as dangerous as any team in the Eastern Conference.
What Dubi would get is a thunderous standing ovation the first time he set foot on Garden ice.
would be sad, as Dubi's one of my favorites, but
as the old saying goes- you gotta give if you wanna get.
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
one reason not to make a trade..
Last night this team went toe to toe with best in the league and won. Plug on Letang and Staal its a 7 game series in the EC Finals.
Maybe you hold tight and add a rental at the deadline if Staal stays out.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
One reason to make a trade...
A young 30-goal scorer rarely hits the market, especially at a fair price.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Just a note guys and gals
For any and all “proposals” keep in mind the cap space!
Rangers cap space: $180, 277
Ducks cap space: $3,618,737
Any and all trade proposals that don’t take the cap space into account are wasting everyone’s time. And I will be mad if you do that. And I will probably throw something heavy with sharp edges at your head.
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think the cap is something to worry about with these proposals
Dubi and Ryan are only 1 mil(ish) apart in salary. And even if we give up AA, Wolski could go the other way or sent down. Cap shouldn’t be a problem at all
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wolski is injured and can’t be traded.
The salary cap is a crucial part of this. We have to send a sizable contract to the Ducks to make it work. We literally can’t take on Ryan’s contract if we only send Dubinsky’s contract.
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Then just put Wolski on LTIR
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Get out of the tub Wolly!!!!!!
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not immediately, but you can always waive any of avery, wolski, or stralman to make the numbers work
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
The cap is not stopping this trade from happening if it’s going to.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Edit:
I just went full retard: Meant the cap isn’t stopping this trade from happening, both sides can easily find a way around it.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
You go full retard, you walk away empty handed.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
This team can't lose a dman right now.
That’s what the Ducks want. I don’t see how this works.
by Section 336 on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's a great prospect but is weaker on the D side.
I don’t think the ducks will take him.
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Erixon was arguably one of the best defensive d-men in the SEL last year. Once he adjusts, his defense will be fine.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
that would depend on the dman. saucer means more to this team right now than MDZ does, it depends on what the ducks would want
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
have there been any legitimate news updates on the situation today? brook’s comments yesterday didn’t exactly make it sound like something was about to happen….
According to a plethora of semi-unreliable sources
It’s us and Carolina pushing the most.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol does that mean its an eklund thing?
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s definitely not an Eklund thing. TSN and Sportsnet here in Toronto have reported it to be reliable, and it’s being covered by ESPN and Yahoo! as well.
It’s died down today, but I’m sure it’s just because it’s a Ducks game day.
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ESPN? the guys at ESPN dont even know how to spell NHL
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, more Pierre LeBrun than ESPN. And since he does dual work with TSN, then I look at him as a reliable source.
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yeah pierre is legit, not so sure about burnside though. other than that nobody over there has any clue about hockey
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I saw some things on 4th period, ESPN, etc.
haven’t looked at hockeybuzz since 2005 lol.
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
yeah its better to stay away from that crap. you have any links from today? all i have seen is the brooks tweets from yesterday
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
hockeybuzz has like 14 teams involved… throw everything at the wall and see what sticks tactic…
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I think the actual contenders for Bobby are:
Columbus, Boston, Toronto, Rangers, Sabres and Hurricanes.
Anywhere else I can’t see him going, no matter how good a deal looks.
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I’d say Sabres have a very equal shot. Guys like Adam, Ennis, Kassian and McNabb grow on trees over there. Great prospect pool.
And I really don’t want a deal with Carolina from my POV. Hardly anything that interests me.
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I’m not completely familiar with the Canes system, so who would they trade? And I’d imagine even mentioning Skinner would prompt Rutherford to send a bomb over to the Ducks head office.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Canes have a very underwhelming system. Most of the guys they would offer would be of no use to the Ducks.
Here is their system:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/carolina_hurricanes
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There's always Bobby Sanguinetti
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Suter is the name being thrown around
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Suter? As in Ryan Suter?
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haha my bad Sutter
forgot a t
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by sloppyseconds on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Queens City Sports reports:
Rangers don’t want to part with Stepan; he is the center the Ducks reportedly want.
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He’s definetly untouchable… it’s going to be a few weeks for the trade to materialize… Ducks are going to compile offers and hope to drivet he price up on a team… Leafs will be stupid and fork over like 14 straight 1st rounders…
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yeah, no surprise there, no way we give him up though. id consider something with AA but would prefer something with dubi, kreider and a pick.
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
can we trade him for Charlie Conway and Adam Banks?
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by Kevin Power on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Adam Banks is on the IR with a wrist injury, so he’s a no go.
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Damn…what about Fulton Reed
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Haha, not sure. Heard the guy was brought up in a tough neighbourhood. Perhaps some locker room issues with him and Dean Portman, his other “bash brother”.
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Very surprised they haven’t turned to Julie “The Cat” Gafney in net. She’s supposed to be awesome in shoot outs.
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The Islanders just signed her
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 30, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they were in on Goldberg too. I mean tying up a chubby kid to the posts has to be just as effective as DiPi right?
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Ask the Devils, they’ve been tying a chubby kid to the posts for 17 years
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He does get to sneak away from time to time to play Uncle Daddy.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Memory lane
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/55714172.html
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I remember thinking, “What the fuck does that mean? Why would you go glove if you are ‘fancy’?”
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god those chicks in that movie grew up to be sexy lol
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
GREAT NEWS RANGER FANS. Eklund mentions half the league as being “in on Ryan” and doesn’t mention the Rangers which means we have an excellent chance of landing him, lol.
What a dope he is. “Half the league in on Ryan”, does he really think he’s giving inside information?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what’s great is he mentions individual teams and the Rangers are not one of them. I’m encouraged, lol.
he also didnt include them as one of the teams not interested in ryan
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eklund also reporting
Rangers interested in playing Marian Gaborik in their next game. Goalie “Henrik Lundqvist” likely to be active as well.
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here's what is known
anaheim is off to a terrible start and looking to shake things up
ryan is supposedly not on randy carlyle’s christmas card list
ownership/management is backing carlyle right now (oh, if ovechkin was in anaheim….)
barring some kind of ridiculous offer bob murray is going to deal him to the eastern conference to keep him out of sight, out of mind
on cap issues alone the penguins and flyers are out, barring involvement of a jordan staal/james neal/danny briere/scott hartnell; not impossible they’d be involved, but not likely at the moment
boston has more room and could involve krejci to help the cost, but they’d need to ante up more prospect-wise (dougie hamilton, anyone?) and that probably won’t happen
i like dubi, but let’s be realistic, if you can do a deal that’s essential dubi for ryan straight up, would you not? i’m assuming a deal involves dubi and assets not currently on the roster (mza, valentenko, etc)
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actually, thinking about it, washington would be silly to not kick the tires on ryan
new coach, a locker room in turmoil, maybe some combo of semin/green or alzner/picks would be of interest?
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ducks are too cash strapped to take on players like that. i know that this is the last year of their contracts but they would have to resign any player they got in return to try and sell the deal to their fans and they most likely couldn’t afford green or semin (possibly semin if he keeps playing the way he is now lol). dubi is cost controlled at 4.2 and the prospects would be as wel… the dollars make more sense with us
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
yikes, yeah nevermind
semin 6.7
green 5.25
maybe one or the other, not both
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caps are something like 8-0 with green this year and something terrible without him. i highly doubt theyd send him the other way. they probably would trade semin for ryan in a heartbeat but i dont think the ducks want to take on that salary. part of getting rid of ryan is getting rid of salary
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
plus semin is a ufa, they’d be dealing ryan for nothing
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Semin has a million dollar shot and a 10 cent brain.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention a player who doesn’t want to learn English and takes every other game off.
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Eh, I don’t hold the English part against him. You can have a decent career in the NHL and never learn English. Just ask Esa Tikkanen.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Tik spoke Tikanese. He was also very lovable, so much so that he kissed teammates and opponents alike.
The real issue is communication with the coach.
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I guess when his translator Ovechkin started to tune out BB all hope was lost.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
You got it wrong. He speaks English (has done a few interviews, though not many) and takes every game off.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
No idea, but I’m guessing if it’s not a comparable or better player coming back, it’s going to be an overpay with a top-six forward and a 1st, minimum.
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I imagine Alzner is untouchable right now. He’s giving great value on his contract ($1.2 million over the next two years).
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
from what I read Ryan is “not surprised” (his words) if he’s shipped out. must be an unhappy marriage.
from what Ryan’s been tweeting it looks like hes certainly on his way out. hes actually addressed the rumors instead of doing the usual “i play for this team blah blah blah” routine
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan isn’t surprised because he is always the one of the RPG mentioned in trade rumours. He’s good at ignoring them, but I’m sure he’s a bit rattled with all of these Leafs fans breathing down his neck on Twitter. It’s horrifying on there.
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Just wanted to clear some stuff up.
No one is on Randy Carlyle’s christmas list.
You’re right about the EC team. It’ll will undoubtedly be a trade out of the conference. He doesn’t want Bobby’s dangles to come back and kill the Quackers.
Boston: I would love Dougie Hamilton, but I’m sure they are out.
Dubi for Ryan straight up wouldn’t work for us. Anaheim needs pieces to add to their core. More depth pieces are needed. Making a one-for-one swap lands us back at the same place we started – one line (and Teemu).
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i know dubi for ryan straight up is a no-go
i’m talking in terms of what the rangers lose off the current roster
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swap valentenko for erixon
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Then that’s an underwhelming deal at best.
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Is Valentenko’s value really as high as everyone that throws him into trade proposals suggest he is?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
i dont see it. the organization obviously has no faith in him as hes been in AHL a couple years now and theyd sign woywitka and stralman instead of giving him a shot to be the 6th dman. i think his value is close to 0
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
more that erixon is probably the one d-man in the system that's considered untouchable
but who the hell knows anymore
if the offer is dubi & erixon there shouldn’t be any additional picks, erixon was a projected top 10 this year
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As long as other teams don’t have scouts that can evaluate NHL-level skating, it’s fine.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
SHHHHHHH
jumowbray may be a scout
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interesting
Randy Carlyle met with Bobby ryan today concerning trade rumors and told him he "has to find that inner peace in himself to deal with it
in other words, GTFO
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if carlyle got fired tomorrow that would really throw a wrench it things. might mean the team team sided with the player over the coach
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Would love that. But Bob has already said he will tear down the team piece by piece before he ever fires Carlyle. Great GM huh!
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Maybe at some point Murray will realize that having two HOF caliber D had as much to do with 2007 as Carlyle did.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is very, very true.
And above that, Carlyle is the coach you hire once all of your young players have done developing. He is the guy that bridges your team from playoff team to Cup contender.
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“Their depth and grit has helped them undeniably become an elite team in the league. However, to take the next step, and go from regular-season success to a true Stanley Cup hopeful, the Rangers would do themselves a favor by pulling the trigger on a deal for Ryan—if the opportunity is there.”
Disagree that were an elite team but exactly my point that we become an elite team and a Cup Contender with a guy like ryan added to our roster.
If a deal is worked out though, say, for Dubi, Zuccarello, and a couple of picks, Bobby Ryan’s impact on the team would be undeniable."Right now, a look at the Rangers roster shows both skill and grit, with a little more of the latter. The addition of Ryan would give the Rangers a real solid potential power-play, something that has been lacking this season. "
Ryan is also from the New York area originally, and would be a fan favorite. From NJ.
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For all of the points you mentioned, it would be stupid for New York not to pull the trigger on a trade.
Just give us Stepan and we’ll be happy :)
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See the problem with trading Stepan
Everyone here loves his mother and girlfriend way too much(or the right amount, depending on how you look at it), and none of us here could part with either of them.
while i agree with your general idea, you just can’t say that getting ryan makes us an elite team automatically. giving up a top-4 dman right now, although it might be ok when staal is finally healthy, makes us a very flawed team presently. it has to be the right deal. Dubi, MZA, Thomas and a 1st would be my offer.
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
True, but avoid trading McD , Giradi or Sauer and nobody else is a top 4- Dman .. Mdz right now even though is progressing and playing better is a third line defense men right now. Even when Staal comes back and we dont do this trade , MDZ is relegated to the third line. So MDZ Dubi Zucc or thomas and a pick for Ryan and ill walk around with a permanent boner everyday !!!
But lets see we lose MDZ DUBI and zucc . Your losing a bottom 6 foward replaced by an elite scorer. MDZ can be replaced with Erixon till Staal gets back and were fine.
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
They have Fowler
MDZ is not something they want at all.
then you have one of the best lines in hockey if not the best followed by 3 very solid lines, along with a ELITE goaltender and solid defense. This leads to cup contention boys . Simple math.
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get how Ryan would necessarily give the Rangers a great PP. Not if the other guys on the ice revert back to setting up and then remaining stationary.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan has a incredible shot, i witnessed it in person when i went to the Ducks vs Rangers game at the garden in the beg of November. He was the lone goal scorer i believe. You put gaborik with richards and ryan on a pp unit with cally shading the goalie and you have 3 potential goal scorers to look after. Teams will not know how to defend them properly , therefore increasing our pp success.
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t doubt his shot, but the Rangers issues on the PP seem to be more systematic than talent.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo.
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True , but that all starts from the coaching. Saying that it seems to be more systematic than talent , derives from bad coaching. Because obviously the talent is there even right now without Ryan. I do think our PP becomes more deadly though , just saying.
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by Fire Renneyy on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t even get me started on coaching, especially the powerplay. Mike Sullivan is about as effective for the PP as saran wrap is as toilet paper.
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doesn’t matter, torterella loves him beyond all recognition. as long as he doesn’t get a head job somewhere he will be with torts
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not so sure about that making him ‘untouchable’. We can always hope that Sullivan sleeps with Torts’ wife.
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Or switches his TP with saran wrap.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Saran wrap over the toilet trick, always good for a few laughs and a permanent invitation withdrawl to anyone’s house.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just imagined that lmao.
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Explain this to me please
Why arent we discussing a Kessel type deal…1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd?
LTIR wolski if the ducks dont want him, send deveaux and ec down.
adding ryan to the team we have now makes us just as scary deep as the pens. that should be what we want…giving up dubi hurts our depth even if it is an upgrade.
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
If Ryan pushes the Rangers into contention those drafts picks are going to be late in whatever round(s) they send over. Boston was wiling to do that deal with Toronto because they weren’t really close to contending at the time.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
its an interesting idea but i don’t think it wouldn’t work for two reasons. 1) kessel deal was over the summer so it is much easier to work out cap issues, even if we could waive players the way you are saying. 2) that is literally a complete rebuild for the ducks and i don’t think that is what they want. by getting players like dubi and sauer at least they know they are getting pieces for this year and next.
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
sauer is supposedly considered an untouchable…it doesnt look like they will get any of our current D including erixon…mcilrath seems like the only option if he even is one
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with that stance at the moment. we would be shooting ourselves in the foot by trading a dman at the moment. the point was that something like your proposal would be very difficult to pull off during the year and much less over the summer. Plus the ducks don’t want to completely start over
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Because that isn’t what the Ducks need.
If they are moving a big piece, it’s to at least try and salvage this season. We need impact players who can play both sides of the puck, and prospects who can fill in when Koivu and Selanne retire/leave. All the pick talk does us no good because it doesn’t give us immediate help.
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
see thats where i disagree with you. if i was ducks fan i would say the same thing, but you dont go putting ryan on the block if ur team isnt trying to rebuild. you fire ur coach. you didnt do that. being a non fan/unbiased observer i see murray rebuilding.
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Because I don’t think anyone wants to go down that road. The Kessel deal was robbery, even with Kessel playing amazing this year, it is still robbery.
Not to mention we NEED to trade a contract to the Ducks in order to be able to fit Bobby Ryan’s $5.1 million deal into our salary cap. An ideal contract is Dubinsky’s which is $4.2 million, but that still won’t get it done. You have to add in another contract, a good one would be Boyle ($1.7 mill).
That is why we can’t do a bunch of draft picks, even if we wanted to. Hope that clears it up for you! :)
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actually as i said before: LTIR wolski and also send deveaux and ec down. would get that done
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
you’re still almost exactly at the cap with that. having a tiny bit of breathing room is still always nice. that is not me saying i wouldn’t try that sort of deal if the ducks would accept, it would just be extremely difficult right now
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
you know we have under 1mil in cap space right now anyways? lol
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but that because we don’t want to LTIR anyone. we are carrying 25 players. but i am not disregarding your proposal. i would seriously consider that deal if the ducks wanted too
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dangerous game to play being that up against the wall of the cap. Deveaux is a no-brainer, Christensen wouldn’t be missed if he we put him in the miors, but I am not sure we can justify putting Wolski on the LTIR based on the degree of his injury.
Even if it would work, would you really want to move two years of 1st round picks and 3rd round picks for Bobby Ryan when we are a team that is now committed to building from within? The fact of the matter is moving Dubinsky and a package for Ryan is a big upgrade for the team.
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i guess my main point is dubi alone isnt getting the deal done, they want something like: mcilrath, dubi, 1st, 3rd…no thanks becasue ryan is only 10-15 points a season better than dubi
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Think you are seeing us giving up too much, look at the Mike Richards deal, it took valuable assets to land Richards.
I see something like Dubi, Boyle, 2nd round, Thomas/Bourque for Ryan and a 4th.
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as much as i hate him, richards is worth more than ryan imo
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Richards is a few years older but is a more complete player and has all kinds of leadership value.
I think they are comparable though. To be honest I am not sure who is worth more out of Richards and Ryan, not sure how competent Bobby Ryan is as a center but I know he can play pivot if he has to, which adds to his value.
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plus he’s younger and a better natural goal scorer than richards is
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
carter is more comparable imo…that cost cbj voracek, 1st, 3rd
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
id rather do wolski, boyle, 1st than dubi 1st, 3rd
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Who wouldn’t? Nobody likes Wolski.
That’s gonna get it done though. For one, because Wolski’s hurt.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
who said the trade has to happen tomorrow
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
i really think we can get ryan without trading dubi and i think that should be what we do. trading dubi would hurt the locker room and our depth and our fans hearts (mine included)
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
The first jersey I’ve bought in 20 years was Dubinsky’s. I think that should tell you how I feel about moving him. I still do it for Ryan.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I have similar affections for Doobs
Two labors of love to prove it:
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/NYRDigDeep/dubistache.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/NYRDigDeep/DUBILIGHTNING.jpg?t=1318001755
Dubi simply isn’t as good as Ryan.
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i guess we just wait and see…no sense in wasting any more time speculating. i just hope slats finds a way to do the deal w/o dubi in it.
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
or nothing comes of this at all and ryan stays a duck.
by SLR_Rangers_18 on Nov 30, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan is getting overvalued
He plays on potentially the best line in the league his numbers would not be that high on the Rangers, they might even be around Dubinsky numbers without Getzlaf and Perry on his line.
Id say its a good deal if its Wolski, MZA, Valentenko/Erixon, 1st, or a 2nd and 3rd
If its a core player he isnt a huge upgrade. He is not the top player on the team nor his line. He is talented but not worth what the assumed asking price in this thread is.
30 goals on an offensive minded elite line is a high expectation for him to do the same here with a lower skilled line who thinks defense first.
Unless its our spare parts its not a good trade so I doubt it will happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYTjm5yxzi8 <—-That is not overvalued. When was the last time you saw a Ranger pull of a goal anywhere close to as pretty? He is still only 24 and still getting better. 30 goals for someone that has scored 30+ goals in every single full season he has played is not high expectations, those are LOW. If you think a player’s career year has already come before he even reaches 28 (about the prime of forwards and four years from now to boot) you are insane.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball is around 28, not hockey. The prime of forwards is around 25-27, and goal scoring prime is somewhere 23-25.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious what you are basing that on. I based 28 on pretty much nothing at all, just a general number that seems to fit the timeline for when guys are at their most effective because at that point in their career most likely they still have the legs to keep up their offensive numbers but are also improved in hockey knowledge/defense.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 1, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
There are links scattered around various sites covering it, be it hockey prospectus or behind the net. I’ll see if I can dig them up later, don’t really have time now.
Obviously some guys peak later than others, and defensemen certainly seem to peak closer to 28, but forwards often have their career years earlier on.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 1, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I dont doubt Ryans skill but I feel we are to quick to right off Dubinsky because he is having a slow start to the season.
Given the chance to play with Getzlaf and Perry for a full season I wouldnt be surprised if Dubinsky ended up with 70 points either, it is an instant inflate in your stats playing on a line like that.
Also he did deke out a forward without a stick it was an awesome move but he didnt undress a Shea Weber in that situation.
I would like Bobby Ryan in the line up but he isnt a player to blow the team up for, and yes Dubinsky and Sauer for a player that can get 17 points better then Duby is blowing up the team.
If its Wolski for cap and skill, MZA, Thomas, Bourque, ect (hopefully mza he doesnt fit and deserves the shot) and a D prospect instead of Sauer I would be all for it if its our current 3rd best D man and Dubinsky its not worth it. Our game isnt horrible as is and we dont need to blow up our Defense to get another forward it will be counter productive.
I still think regardless of where he ends up Dubi will still salvage this season and put in decent numbers, I’m not saying Ryan is a massive upgrade over him, I love Dubi, but in my mind there is no doubt Ryan is a better player.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 1, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Gorgeous goal, but highlights are dangerous.
Just search Wojtek Wolski and Nikolai Zherdev.
Not comparing them to Ryan, just saying highlights are highlights, and thats all.
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Fair enough, but I’ve never seen someone (except for in this thread curiously) question Ryan’s work ethic the same they do Wolski and Zherdev.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
dont look to dubi because the contracts make sense. the contracts have nothing to do with making a deal work
Well you can either start by looking at the contracts or make sure any deal works by looking at the end because if the contracts don’t match up the trade is impossible with the Rangers only having $180k cap space right now.
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geeze that's not a whole lot of wriggle room
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. But keep in mind that is with a few extra guys being up with the big club including EC and Deveaux. So in reality there is a little bit more wiggle room but not a lot.
We need to move some money to Anaheim.
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well, Sather is pretty good at trading and wriggling out of Cap Space
signing goons, not so much
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather get Parise over Ryan, but...
If I had to make a deal…
Wolski, Dubinsky, Zuccarello, Valentenko, Thomas, and a pick for Ryan.
WW… wont miss
Dubi i wont miss
Zucc i wont miss
I like V-tank but we have others
I think Thomas is in a bit of a slump since we let him go back to Oshawa (OHL).
That’s it! Otherwise, No!
so you’re going to miss valentenko but not dubi?
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
sigh lmao
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no one will want WW
Dubi has to go in this kind of blockbuster unfortunately
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Holy fuck balls.
6 players for Ryan? Did he have a 150 point season that I missed?
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
maybe in a video game?
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by feslenraster on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wolski, EC, MZA, Redden, Bell, and Rupp
:)
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Bobby Ryan to the Rangers for...
WW, Bickel, Parlett, Tessier and Audi-Marshmellow and conditional 5th rounder.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just me or does it seem God decided to give us Hagelin right as we trade Dubi? Not exactly comparable but Hagelin looks like he’s a very fast, two way player who can pot 20-25 goals when he eventually settles into a full NHL season…
we haven’t exactly traded dubi yet you know lol… and I’m not sure you can pencil hagelin in for 20-25 a yr yet
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
SO, ever since I made that post 3 days ago, saying how it would benefit the Rangers to trade for Bobby Ryan, he's now on the verge of being traded.
I’m confused to say the least, but let’s go with it.
Let’s say we have to give up Dubi for contract reasons. Ryan is a year younger and more skilled than Dubi, and is obviously worth more. However, Dubi also brings faceoff ability, grit, and very solid defense.
The gap between the two is definitely there, but not as big as some people are making it.
Dubinsky, Zucs, Mcilrath. That’s the most I’d give up. They get a top 6 guy, a guy with potential for top 6, top defensive prospect. That’s enough. Throw in some random pick if you must, but I’d like to keep that as my limit.
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i would subtract McIllrath and put thomas and a pick instead
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, Ducks won’t get a deal without getting a very good defensive prospect. All of these deals including Wolski, MZA, Dubinsky, etc. all need to have a top 4 defenseman (or someone with the potential to be that).
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
Yeaa…….I still like McIlrath and think he’d be a better fit. But that’s just me.
Hell, maybe Murray likes Del Zotto. Who knows, really?
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
We just traded for Erixon because he would pretty much only play in New York.
It’s much more likely we trade Mcilrath.
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make a post about stamkos and or crosby also
by BronxBeliever on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
:)
I’ll start making it a weekly occurrence.
Next week: Girardi, MDZ, and a 3rd for Weber :)
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He’s not on the verge of being traded. If the Ducks win tonight (which they will) it will be delayed. And well, if the Ducks lose…
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
You guys are going against the Habs right?
I’m rooting for ya!
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Personally, I think we’d be crazy to give away players like Thomas & Kreider. I’d be OK with a package like Dubi, MZA/Boyle, Defender (not Erixon or McDonagh), and a 2nd for Ryan. However, I doubt the Ducks go for it.
What about Wolski? He’s offensive firepower (potentially), coming off the books next year, and can be released at a minimum cap hit. A player like that would seem ideal for Anaheim, but there might be an issue with the cap implications.
when i made a fanpost
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Gomez for McD and Higgins worked…
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NHL12 style.
Sign some free agents, trade 4 of them tomorrow for Ryan.
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exactly.
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Damn someone’s onto my strategy lol
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yup, so Gomez for Gaborik, McD, and Prust.
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Bobby Ryan > Dubi < Kreider
Ryan = Kreider (potential wise)
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Nov 30, 2011 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’ll be AMAZED if Kreider has one 30 goal season in his first 3 years as a pro. Kreider is doing well this season, but it’s the first time he’s put up anything close to this. Big jump between NHL goaltending and NCAA’s too. Is there another relevant NCAA goalie in the pro’s right now, other then Ryan Miller?
by BuckarooClub on Nov 30, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that doesn’t even count. He made WAY too many stops between college and the pro’s. He was really good at UVM though. Scrivens in Toronto (via Cornell) is the closest thing I think.
by BuckarooClub on Nov 30, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen kreiders neck?
He’s bigger than Dubi was when he came up from Wolfpack. He’s bigger, faster and has better hands than Dubi. If Dubi is 50 pt player and Ryan 65..how come kreider cant be 30/30 by year 3.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dubi was also the same age Kreider is now, with 2 seasons in the AHL when he got his first Rangers call up. Kreider has to prove he can make the adjustement. Another huge factor is the kid has never played in a league with a pro-style game and never played more then 50 games in a season. I’m not saying Kreider can’t be productive, but I still think he has alot of ground to cover if/when he leaves college. Too often I think we put the cart in front of the horse with this kid.
by BuckarooClub on Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
NCAA is fairly pro like game especially when you play at BC (and a lot of other schools too), they preach defensive hockey and roll four lines.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 1, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Any team in the NCAA’s is playing only 2 games a week (maybe an occasional weaknight game against a travel partner/local rival), and travel is limited. You’re home for the weekend or you’re on the road. The only play about 30 – 40 games a season, and don’t have the same physical game you’d get in Juniors. It doesn’t matter if you’re at BC, Cornell, or Bowling Green, it’s alot more hockey with alot more going on.
Schneider (BC)
Howard (Maine)
Thomas (UVM)
Quick (UMass)
Montoya (UM)
Conklin (UNH)
DiPietro (BU)
Scrivens (CU)
Stalock (UM-D)
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Well there you go. As I said above, it’s a bit tough to credit NCAA hockey for Thomas’ success. He was light’s at UVM, then went on an Odyssey through all types of hockey leagues, only to pop up as an NHL starter a shade under a decade later. Not really a pipeline for NHL success though.
There are also a few fairly highly touted guys in the AHL too.
Chad Johnson (UA-F)
Ben Bishop (Maine)
Jordan Pearce (Notre Dame)
Jeff Zatkoff (Miami Ohio)
Jeff Frazee (UMinn)
Keith Kinkaid (Union)
Still not a “pipeline” but nothing to sneeze at or write off.
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Not to mention that that is 5 (possibly 7 with Montoya and Schneider) starting goalies out of 30 from the college ranks.
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so we're all decided then?
can i go order my RYAN 54 winter classic jersey now?
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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
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to be honest, i had it in my cart on icejerseys.com as soon as word broke out that he was on the block
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"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
take with as many grains of salt as you like
JohnBorukCSN John Boruk
#Flyers not involved. #Rangers appear to be front runners. A deal “could” be completed by the end of the week. TB showing interest.
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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
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and
JohnBorukCSN John Boruk
A source close to the situation tells me a Bobby Ryan trade is imminent. Talks have been ongoing for weeks. I’ll have a blog up soon.
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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
boruk's the philly comcast anchor, not sure who his sources are but if it's bettman's doorman it's a step up from eklund
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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
I wouldn’t give up more than Dubi, MZA, Valentenko and a first/preferably a second. Take it or leave it. If they wan’t an NHL ready defenseman the only one I would really give up is MDZ but that wouldn’t work because of Fowler. Replacing Any of our top four with stralman or anyone else right now would make it even harder on the King. Sather has been a trade genius the past couple of years so I trust he will make the right move or no move at all.
You have to give up players to get players. And it’s not like you’re getting an unproven NHLer who has no consistency whatsoever.
You’re getting a legitimate first line left winger who has a 50 goal ceiling. You’re giving up appliances to get a condominium in that proposal.
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
No real chatter in Anaheim, but it’s pretty evident that Bobby has mentally checked out with some of his interviews and quotes. You can’t just have all this chatter and expect a guy to come back and play regularly. He’s clearly phased and I (as well as other Ducks fans) am starting to think that he doesn’t even want to play in Anaheim or for Carlyle or Murray anymore.
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
Seems like everyone here is willing to dump Dubinsky
Damn. I’m actually surprised. I would give them MDZ anymore. He seems to be coming around quite nice
"It's far from done, but we did get something accomplished."-#19 B.Richards
by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
*wouldn’t
"It's far from done, but we did get something accomplished."-#19 B.Richards
by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they wouldnt be interested in MDZ anyway
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Report on HF Boards by a Rangers fan:
I’m not try to start a rumor or anything like that but someone that I know called me earlier today and said that he heard of someone who works for the NHL network that the Ranger’s are working on a deal for Ryan with the players to be traded back to the Ducks being…
Dubi
Hagelin
Erixon
Don't shake the foundation.
Fire Carlyle!
F me. Hagelin is awesome. Erixon too…..damn I hate to see them be the ones….
"It's far from done, but we did get something accomplished."-#19 B.Richards
by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
shhh remember jumowbray is the scout for the ducks….. hagelin is nobody, hes just a 6th rd pick that just graduated from michigan. thats all :)
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
One of their better forward prospects. Captain at Michigan last year. Recently called up, 3 pts in 3 games so far.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
u think this trade has been talked about for a while and the rangers brough up hagelin to showcase him vs NHL competition a little bit?
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Never know, but if that were the case I don’t understand why they brought Deveaux up over him.
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Opposite, it might be they brought him up to make sure he’s ready so they can move somebody else, similar to when they called McD up last year and then moved Rozsival shortly there after.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
that's like the idiot at bleacher report who knew a guy who had a friend who told him gomez for kopitar was 'imminent' a few years ago
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
I don’t want Hagelin going anywhere until I see him on the 1st or 2nd line. He’s fast and hits the net. I would rather have him then Ryan
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
its going to cost
the ducks are going to insist on stepan or anisimov look i would not part with stepan but if they would take a package of dubi or arty and veletenko i would do it man i lkie hagelin i wouldnt part with him. throw zukes into the mix he deserves to play in the nhl
lohaus #54
Dubi, Zukes, Valentenko.
Go.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
cmon. i think you are way overvaluing vtank. replace tank with erixon and murry wont hang up on you
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I know I know, I just don’t to give Erixon and MZA up.
Don’t forget, Erixon was going to be a top 10 pick.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
i know. but will we really miss zuke if hes gone?
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Zuccs. Wolski. Tanks.
Lmao. I trust Sather will make something sweet happen . He’s been on point lately
"It's far from done, but we did get something accomplished."-#19 B.Richards
by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not when theres this many teams bidding
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
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