Bobby Ryan In Ducks Line-up Tonight; No Trade Coming Tonight
by Bryan Winters on Nov 30, 2011 9:53 PM EST
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PrintNews broke earlier that Bobby Ryan could potentially be traded tonight, and the New York Rangers were leading the chase. However, Bobby Ryan will be in the line-up tonight against the Montreal Canadiens, which means he will being staying a Duck for tonight.
The original tweet, coming from John Boruk stated that a trade could take until the end of the week to be completed, which could turn true. If the Rangers do ending making a run at Ryan, Sather has to make sure the price is right. That includes keeping guys like, Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan, Artem Anisimov, Chris Kreider, Dylan McIlrath out of the mix. Although, knowing some recent trades that Sather has made, I'm sure he's well aware of what can be done.
As exciting as it was when the news broke, it seems as if we will have to wait another day, or a couple, to see how this actually pans out. We will continue to keep you guys updated on any news that we are notified of.
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What about Bourque? i like Bourque
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 10:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
General question here…how good is the Rangers system? I’m seriously asking because I’m really not sure, but it seems as if the farm is by no means barren. If isn’t Ryan thought of, if not an elite player, a very good player, that likely means the Ducks are probably looking for something substantial in return. And to me, that has to include one of the players from that list you just posted as untouchable would likely have to be included in that deal. If the Rangers seriously want Ryan (and it looks like they’re pretty serious) they’d have to give up something of some serious value.
our farm system is pretty strong at the moment with some pretty good prospects at the wings, we have a glut of D especially when Staal returns, and we have some expendables
I'm really thinking
that if the Rangers were to trade for Ryan, it would likely include one of those D-men from the list (especially since it sounds pretty clear Anaheim is looking for that). Not saying I agree with it, but it looks like it certainly could happen.
by NastyNate82 on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the deal.
Assuming that Dubinsky is traded and is the centerpiece of the deal, how much more do we need to give up.
On average, Ryan will put up about 20 more points a year, which is a good deal, but it also must be considered that Dubinsky is the defensive player, is more physical than Ryan, and has the ability to win faceoffs.
Yes, there is a gap between the two, I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is that gap isn’t worth more than one solid prospect.
Dubinsky, MZA, Mcilrath should be more than enough.
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Agreed, however
I’d hate to let McIlrath go at this point. The guy obviously could become a monster. As someone else has said in previous thread, we got him to fill a role we’re lacking and still lacking. I hope he is untouchable, but I agree with you: that deal should get it done.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Random note
a few days ago we had a post saying Zuke was being shopped (as per a Norwegian paper or something)
maybe a connection since supposively these ryan talks have been ongoing
Good observation. I gotta think Dubinsky and MZA are the first two cogs in the wheel. The wrangling (I bet) is over the final defensive player. They probably want at least Erixon or McIlrath, but would prefer Sauer or McDonagh.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Nov 30, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yea at this point I think they’ve got Dubi+MZA set.
They’ve prob gone “public” with it to get rangers to give up Sauer instead of Mcilrath (I don’t see rangers dumping erixon, too much upside. Yea we still lack someone of Mcilraths style but we’ve done pretty well with clearing the net most of the year, IMO)
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WHO IS BETTER PARISE OR RYAN? WHO WOULD YOU PREFER
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Parise has proven more
Would be nice to see him play this whole season before I’d make a judgment on that…which I guess is tiptoeing around the question entirely.
by NastyNate82 on Nov 30, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Parise, but he’d be more expensive.
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I'd rather get Parise over Ryan
For Ryan… Dubinsky, MZA, McIlrath, Pick
For Parise… Dubi, MZA, McIlrath, Erixon, Wolski (salary), 1st round pick
That’s all I will give.. thats it!
by danmarley21 on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
All that.
For a UFA at the end of the season?
by tommydrum33 on Nov 30, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Pardon me
But it would be perfectly fine to include a Kreider or McIlrath or any of those others in a trade. Ryan is an elite NHL player
Anaheim wants D most likely, Id gladly toss in Mcilrath. Im somewhat fearing Sauer could be a casualty of the deal with Erixon coming up to try and fill the void he leaves. But then I’d assume it’d be Dubi + Sauer straight, no picks etc
I wouldn’t like that trade.
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I prefer the one u wrote, Dubi+MZA+Mcilrath
Then dump EC and someone else to minors
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d do that, but that’s probably the max for me.
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I am very skeptical about this
1. Rangers are playing spectacular hockey, why break this team up now?
2. Ryan is a right wing, and this team has its top 2 RW in Gabby and Callahan. So this would really jumble up the lines.
3. They want young D, that means Mcdonagh. Don’t kid yourself, Sauer and Dubi still don’t equal a consistent 30 goal scorer. Mcdonagh is one of the best up and coming D men in the league, I don’t want to see him go, but i have a gut feeling he would be part of this trade.
4. He’s 24. A proven player with years ahead of him, the Ducks will take nothing less than an arm and a leg.
1) Agree to an extent, but if you can make your team better you have to do it.
2) Ryan is a LW, he would slot in on the 2nd line with Richie and Cally.
3) The young D doesn’t need to be McD, but yes it is the biggest obstacle to make the trade work.
4) What people need to understand is that the difference between Dubi and Ryan is only 20 points or so, minus Dubi’s defensive ability, grit, and faceoff ability, which have value. That gap is not worth Sauer.
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1: rangers playing great but also lucky. Ryan improves the team, bottom line.
2: He can play center as well, hell half our team is made of centers.
3: if they want McD, at this point they’d get McD and a scrap. Rangers can’t do that cap-wise and their forward positions are cramped top-6 so only way they deal with us is taking a top6 or 9 forward, a D-man with good projections, and pick/lower prospect. Unless there’s more than Ryan coming back.
4. Ducks will take best that’s out there or nothing at all. They’re tanking hard, have an internal cap, and will not fire their coach. They need to do something to shake things up, add some F depth, and get a Defensive Dman. Only thing they can do is trade or ride out their tanking (note they can’t afford to tank, they’re in an out-of-market area)
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ryan’s a LW.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Im pretty skeptical about this too, but lets see what happens maybe it wont be that bad.
by CrazyRangerFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan has been playing left wing this season.
Dubi, MZA, Valentanko and a 2 or 3rd get this done.
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That’s as far as I would go. Kreider and Mcilrath shouldn’t get traded IMO. In a few years they both have the potential to be rare/unique players in their own respective ways. Valentanko possesses nothing the Rangers don’t already have on its roster.
by I.Am.Spartacus on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
McI maybe not, but Kreider’s unlikely to be much better than Ryan is currently.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
There were times last year that not many of you would have been so eager to trade Dubi away for a guy like Ryan but now since hes slumping everybody is ok with losing him. Now i am not saying Dubi is a better player but hes been brought up in many trade rumors in the past and most of us were very hesitant to get rid of him.
I honestly am 50/50 on this. Dubi was assumed to be a part of the core and i know him and cally are bffs. I think trading a homegrown heart and soul guy like Dubi could negatively impact the rest of the team’s psyche (sp?), especially the homegrown guys
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 11:06 PM EST reply actions
Agreed.
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At one point last year Dubi was our only offense. We’ve supplemented a bit.
It would suck to have him go, but I’d he has to go at least we’d be getting someone as good as Ryan.
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im definitely worried about chemistry though if it goes through
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There’s little chance that Ryan can’t find a fit with any of our forwards.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I was going more towards the “personal” part but really they know it’s a business and hope they’d have the ability to deal with losing a friend without failing on ice.
Ryan I know could fit in somewhere easily on ice, he’s played on the 1st,2nd and 3rd lines in Anaheim
by teknics on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ryan’s a 250 SOG, 30 goal guy, locked up for a reasonable amount of money. It’d suck, but Dubinsky can’t be a hold up if you can get Ryan.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
i understand that. im just saying that there were times last year everybody would have been very hesistant to give him up for a guy like ryan, but now because of his slow start everybody is ready to see him go
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I can only speak for me, but his slow start has nothing to do with my evaluation. I love Dubi, but there’s little that he brings that Ryan wouldn’t upgrade.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan’s better. Always leads ANA in Corsi Rel
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
What’s Ryan’s GVT compared to Dubi?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Prior to this season (most recent GVT first)
Dubinsky 9.6, 8.2, 4.9, 6.1, -0.1
Ryan 16.4, 13.9, 11.8, 0.3
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan’s DGVT was better than Dubi last year as well (4.6 to 4.3)
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I assume the D stands for Defensive?
How’s that number derived? Is it in the same vein as GAON/60 scaled in some way with QualComp?
I guess my question is based on an assumption that Ryan faces a lot of shutdown opposition that aren’t as big of a threat to score against compared to Dubi where he faces high QualComp/RelCorsi opposition that are a bigger threat? Assuming this is the case, would DGVT take that into account?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dont forget
Ryan is presently slumping also
by I.Am.Spartacus on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Some of it comes down to value due to scarcity. There were less than 30 guys in the league that scored 30 goals last year. There were about 70 that scored 20-29 goals. The marginal value of goals scorers that can hit 30 beyond is pretty high.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan for Dubi i’d do any day… and i’m a huge dubinsky fan… bobby ryan is a big time scorer don’t btw dubinsky’s playing 10 minutes the past week… so what defense is he really playing for us?
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by Clalicata17 on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else super scared, but kind of excited for this? I feel like this suspense is pulling my heart in opposite directions and just twisting it around. Man having Ryan would be sick, but getting rid of Dubi is going to hit home pretty hard.
by CrazyRangerFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions
i know exactly what you’re saying. i think most of us feel the same way
by nyrangerfan521 on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I love Dubi, like I loved Messier (the 1st time around). But I think that Ryan is an instant upgrade over Dubi. As long as they don’t give away Sauer, Mcd, in the deal, I’m all for it. Some Ny teams have used sentiment over sense when it comes to home town heroes. I think / hope the Rangers are well past that.
its like dumping a really cool above average chick for a super hot chick who might be cool
by I.Am.Spartacus on Nov 30, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
That. Was. Epic. +
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The idea of landing a player like Ryan is awesome, but some were pegging Dubs to be 30 goal scorer(Including nhl.com) this year. They’re both going through a funk, and sorry I think Redden could have now 12 points playing with Getzlaf and Perry. If they price is right and Sather can jedi mind-fuck the ducks, yes, but who knows
Is there any truth to the rumor
That the Ducks are looking at Cam Talbot straight up for Ryan?
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by slipperymick on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Does anybody else find it very suspicious that none of the legit tsn guys like Mckenzie, Dreger, lebrun etc. are saying/tweeting much about this?
Dreger has addressed it in his “mailbox” section, NHL.com had as a headline for tonights ANA game that “Ryan puts rumors aside and gets ready for game” or something to that effect. Its there, but it hasn’t really blown up yet like here and through brooksie, and that CSN guy.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think Erixon is much more likely to reach his full potential and be a solid NHLer while Mcilrath has a higher chance of being a bust
by nyrangerfan521 on Dec 1, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
McIlrath is very unlikely to be a bust. The question is whether he can get enough PP time and develop an accurate slap-shot (he’s got the speed on it already). Erixon has the higher ceiling in regard to offensive production, but if McIlrath continues to develop at the pace that he is, you never know.
Erixon projects as a 1st pair guy, McIlrath as a 2nd pair guy, maybe even 3rd on a good team.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 1, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
That low?
Bit of a waste of a 10th overall pick, for a 3rd pair guy?
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Eh…other than Fowler and Tarasenko, there’s not a lot of high end potential being shown below 10 from that draft. The Rangers got a tad unlucky that Granlund didn’t fall one more spot (though I suspect they take Dylan anyway)
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by George E. Ays on Dec 1, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is a no brainer...
We trade Dubi, who I feel is a grinder at best, not very skilled with the puck and not a scorer.MZA, he doesn’t fit with our team make up and Valentenko, he was placed on waivers earlier this year and we have plenty of young Dmen in the pipe.
I would even throw in a 2nd round pick.
Would you be happy with that?
Just got a text from espn, Ducks fired Randy Carlyle and hired Boudreau. I dont know if this affects the Ryan talks, but just some related news.
This has to be the wierdest thing I’ve ever seen, though. Hire a guy who just got fired days ago…who’s on first??
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Well guys it was fun while it lasted but Bobby Ryan aint going anywhere now that they fired Carlyle. oh well. i can sleep easy knowing dubi isnt going anywhere now
This. We should be happy with what we have. Within two seasons, we minus misc. players, add Kreider, MCI, and Erixon, we are more than cup ready. Stay the course, we are not tanking.
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by nathansfamous on Dec 1, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well...regarding Ryan:
this deal apparently has been on the burner for about four months (i.e., the draft). Sather is looking for more size and scoring. This was not an unknown fact. In fact, according to a handful of reports, the Rangers inquired about Ryan last season at the trade deadline when Cally broke his foot against Boston.On the flip side, Ducks’ management hasn’t been happy with Ryan since the new contract was hammered out. And as many of us knew, Sather was lurking, then. Since then, there is speculation that Ryan burned a bridge with the now-fired Carlyle and upper management. And that there is seemingly NO going back. Plus, it seems like Ryan just wants to get back to the East, and be at home in New Jersey.
I would’ve thought a Parise-Ryan deal would happen, too. But, Ryan wants to play for an original six…this one, the one we are fans of. And, I welcome him, if a deal does get done. Also, we may be saying goodbye to a fun little player in Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, and a promising young defenseman in Tim Erixon; as well as potentially someone like Wotjek Wolski, and the likes of Brian Boyle and Mike Rupp…who knows??
I say, some changes have other benefits (scoring depth, size vs. familiarity with coaches and smoothing the future cap) than the ones you see. Already things were better on the Ducks’ side of things…they won a game where their top line did the scoring.
Who’s to say this can’t benefit the Rangers as well? Let’s wait and see……
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cally broke his foot after the deadline
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depends on what the offer is and how serious murray is to making a deal
he may still be looking to shake things up
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well I can’t believe that Murray didn’t know he was firing the coach while entertaining offeers for Ryan so I think there is a Ducks/Ryan relationship problem.
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