Bantering Points: The Shootout, The New York Rangers, And The Winning Hat
by Brandon C. on Nov 4, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintI attended the Rangers game last night, and it was a blast. The Rangers won in a shootout, thanks to goals scored by Eric Christensen and Marian Gaborik. Henrik Lundqvist was once again stellar in net in the shootout, stopping two of three shots.
The shootout has me thinking, despite that some people do not like the concept, is there anyone out there that does not enjoy watching the shootout? I'd love to hear from those that do not enjoy it.
Each point is an important point, as the Rangers have shown the last two seasons. I have never been in favor of keeping players on the roster because of shootout success, which is one reason why Marian Gaborik and Brad Richards having success in the shootout is so important. Gaborik struggled in the past, but hopefully last night is a sign of things to come.
The winning hat was given to Jeff Woywitka, which had me upset at first, as I believed it should have gone to Henrik Lundqvist. Re-thinking it, the hat is more of a team unity token, and if Lundqvist wins it every night he will look like the team. Smart call giving it to different players.
The Rangers have agreed to terms with Anton Stralman, so Woywitka should not get too comfortable. Who would you put in the top six?
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I don’t enjoy watching shootouts with the season on the line. That’s just me.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Nov 4, 2011 6:50 AM EDT reply actions
I would have given the hat to Gabby
He was all over the ice all night and got robbed several times by ridiculous Hiller saves. When it came down to it, he finished, even though he typically struggles in shootouts. Even threw in a few nice defensive plays.
That said, it’s a nice gesture giving it to Woywitka, seeing as he will never get it again, and may not even be on the team in a month.
shootout big joke
The shoot out is a joke its a skills event and should not be part of the game.OT in hockey is a joke it rewards the losing team with a point then decides the game on a few people not as a team.Its not always the team that deserves to win that wins in the shoot out. Imangin if you decide ot in football how many field goals you kick or how manyfree throws you make in basketball.were the only sport that rewards the loser big joke
I can understand arguments against tjhe shootout, but you comment about sometimes the team that deserces to win doesn’t is ludicrous. If they desrved to win, the game would not have ended in a tie, they would have scored more goals.
by GAThingy on Nov 4, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the SO has run its course. Go back to the W-L-T. you shouldnt get a point just for playing. It’s like a tball league where nobody loses. what lesson are you learning there?
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W-L-T makes for boring, conservative OT play
No one wants to watch two teams sit back trying to not lose for five minutes. The charity point at least gets teams to attempt to score.
Theres been a trend for a while now that more and more games are being finished in the OT portion instead of the SO. They’ve talked about it for around the past two seasons on NHL network and how they stats are making it hard for critics of the SO.
Logically, it would make sense that you would see conservative play in the final minutes of regulation, your goal being to secure at least a single point, but when you consider it from a coachs perspective there really wouldnt be any reason at all to reign your players in for OT. Teams that play conservatively in regulation may play that way in OT but I think you’d be hard pressed to find a team that switches to the trap JUST for OT.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a terrible way to decide a game, but the shootout itself is exciting and its good when you have to get up for work at 5am. I would go 10 minutes of 4 on 4 first. and I would go with the 3-2-1 scoring format overall. Teams seem to let up when tied in the final couple of minutes of regulation and play for the 1 point which annoys me. It appears almost agreed on by the two teams, especially in East/West match ups like last night.
I like the shootout but hate that its equal to a regulation win. I’ve always despised the charity point for losing, so I have always been a fan of 2 pts for REG/OT wins & 1 pt for a SO win. A 2-1 SO Win should not be equal to a 5-2 win like we saw Monday, but thats just me. Getting a point for losing is ridiculous to me.
I also hate how much OT/SO this team plays, sometimes I feel we’re dependent on the extra time and would rather play for that instead of going for the win in the 3rd.
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A 3-2-1 system would be best...
3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an ot/so win, 1 for an ot/so loss, 0 for a regulation loss. This would not only impact the game, but many hockey markets that rely on the charity point or play to not lose. They probably will never do it because the so-called “parity” in the league would be decimated, and teams that would never even have a chance to sniff the playoffs without the current system would suffer as a result.
I agree
I find it silly that some games award 2 points and other award 3. Jams up the standings.
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definitely
this keeps teams honest too. right now they play for ot so they can lock up a point. if you make it so a regulation win is worth more, teams will fight for that extra point instead of settling. the curent system has no deterrent to playing for overtime.
To be clear- I support the points change to 3 points a game. I also don’t mind doing away with the shootout all together. And while 4 on 4 overtime is fine. 5-5 is how the game is played.
by CTrangerfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree… and i’m kind of confused by friends who refuse want the 3 point system purely because of record purposes really who cares about records… it becomes the 3 point era and the records stay what they are i just think thats a flimsy argument about not wanting a 3 point system which would solve all kinds of problems…
OT has turned into a play it safe… and get us to a 50/50 chance in the shootout…
@clalicata17
At first I was skeptical.
Now I like it. I understand the point of view people take that the loser shouldn’t get a point for a loss but in this league, after battling for three periods to end up in a tie, the point makes sense. I also think the shootout is a decent tool to decide the victor. The goalie is the player on the ice who kept the game tied and it should be on his back to save his team head to head. Now if Henrik wasn’t our goalie, I may have a different opinion.
What a game last night though. I too, had the pleasure of being there and it was an exciting victory. Hiller was REDICULOUS last night with his glove and overtime was a blast to watch. Man did we look good. If not for Hiller, we would have won by 2 or 3 goals.
Happy to see the Stralman signing. I think the depth can only help . Also on a seperate note:
I am a big Sean Avery fan, I really can’t wait to see him back on the ice with the team but the WE WANT AVERY chanting has to stop ! What does that say to the rest of the team that are playing and breaking their asses out there, to hear fans cahnting for a player sitting in the press box.
Then again, I would like to see him n the lineup. I like our chemistry right now and I am NOT a fan of fixing something that isn’t broken. BUT, I just think we are a more dangerous team with him in the lineup. Faster, more aggressive and harder to play against. EC has been good too. What a good problem to have. We have played well but is it greedy to want more.
I think the fourth line of Devo-AA-Avery would be awesome. Not telling what type of chemistry they can develop but on paper I like the mix of speed, grit and talent. Again, I hate to see Arty on the fourth but he hasn’t really played himself up yet but he is coming around.
Any thoughts?
I’m hoping the lines towards the end of the game stick, which was:
Fed-Step-Gaborik
Dub-BR-Cally
AA-Boyle-Prust (I think AA was the wing at least)
and then Avery slots in with EC and Deveaux.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 4, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
would prefer
AA- step- gab
dub- br- cally
feds- boyle- prust
but i think torts hates aa way too much for that
Well yeah, so would I. I don’t see AA goes from 4th to 1st though.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 4, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree. i think torts is way too proud for such a move
sometimes i am not that confident in torts…
i think he often let his emotions run the business and offensively gifted players have to play with desperation instead of patience.
Certainly seemed like AA got a lot of ice time last night though
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
Yeah for sure.
He was out there alot in OT. He played a good game.
I don’t think people should necessarily take where he’s playing as Torts demoting him, it’s still early in the year.
Also, it really looks like all the lines are starting to click.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
i am not so optimistic right now. we still have big problems in scoring goals. but let’s hope and pray…. at least the d- corps looked improved
You can't lose if you're not giving up any goals.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
True, But . . .
. . . how would you be feeling right now if Woywitka’s shot doesn’t sneak past Hiller and we lose 1-0?
What if that goal doesn't go in but the Rangers hit the net on just one of those point blank attempts
What if the Ducks goal doesn’t happen? What if Cally scores on that breakaway?
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
And sometimes you just get flat beat by a goaltender
It happens.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
yes it happens; just ask vancouver… but i still think our scoring is too inconsistent. and i think it has to do something with the line juggling. players lose patience and confidence coz of it. maybe it will become better when the lines have settled a bit
You're right
I think Torts may finally have some line combos to stick with though.
I’ve liked Feds-Boyle-Prust
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
I am pretty sure they are happy to play with anyone, as it is a team, and they are not losing confidence because the lines are changed. You as a fan might thougjh.
by GAThingy on Nov 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was at the game last night
And the puck possession for most of the game was really good. Dubinsky and Callahan were very good in the corners for most of the game.
Also, the Rangers were outshot by 2, but they had so many more point blank chances than the Ducks. The combination of Hiller and the fact that we couldn’t hit the net kept us from winning this game outright.
All in all I think the last two games show that the Rangers do have some potential this year, especially when Staal comes back.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
has anybody else seen the lack of effort in dubi’s backchecking at the ducks goal???
that’s not the right way to play hockey!!!
Yeah he took a couple backchecks off. It's annoying
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
What they should do is reward the winning team in OT with 2 points and the other team with zero. If it goes to a shootout then reward both teams with a point and the winner with the additional. Maybe that will deter teams from relying on shootouts. Make those five minutes count.
by KingHenrik_theVIII on Nov 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
If it’s 2 or 0 in OT, you’ll see everyone playing for the shootout for the OT 5 minutes. You may as well go directly to the shootout.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 4, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i am european and i used of seeing shootouts decide games. but it’s actually boring if every 3rd or 4th game is decided by a shootout, especially if the rest of the game before is played like an exibition game. thats is not true for the nhl but for some european leagues….
i would go back to the old rule with no shootouts at all and 5-5 hockey in overtime, because the game should be decided in the same way that the game is play.
and i don’t get the “american” hate for ties. i am quiet fine with splitting points after overtime in regular season
I agree with you
All though 4 on 4 probably makes it more likely that the game will be decided in OT.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
It amazes me that people still think avery will help.He is a circus clown on ice thats why nobody picked him up.yes hes better then EC BUT THEY BOTH SUCKand should not be playing in the nhl.and any team that needs a point for losing is stupid.Like NYC JIM347 thtas somthing they do in tball not grown man in pro sports .think how much better the game would be if they knew they needed to win for the point. and if you dont like ties play sudden death like in playoffs
Rangers looked strong
They passed the puck very well, I thought, throughout the game. Puck movement was crisp and precise. Del Zotto made some great passes on the Power Play, very firm and confident. Gaborik was everywhere, had several chances – I think he was feeling it and wanted one last chance to beat Hiller, in the shootout, and he did.
Despite injuries and flux with line combinations, we looked to have chemistry and played as a team. Play was very fluid and when players believe in each other the level just goes through the roof. Examples: Gabby setting up Woywitka, Prust on a line with Gabby, Sauer and McDonagh in on that chance in OT.
I thought the OT was close to the best 5 minutes we've played all year
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
Woywitka getting the hat
Says a lot too about the locker room, if you ask me. Hank said “probably Gaborik” but they recognized it meant a lot to Woywitka and that’s pretty cool.
Go Back to W-L-T . . .
. . . and replace the shootout with an additional five minutes of 4-on-4 OT. Ten minutes of 4-on-4 settles a game, in most cases — and if not, it’s a tie.
This would get rid of the charity point and load the OT with the incentive to go for the win.
Stralman
I’m not on board with the signing but not because of him. To me it says they don’t believe in the players they have. I may be in the minority but I think Eminger and Woywitka, even Erixon have done a satisfactory job. I’m okay with the move as cover for potential injuries going forward, but if it’s 1-way as reported, Stralman is either playing or a healthy scratch, right? I’m a little in the dark with contract terminology..
Stralman couldn't even make the Devils this year.....
…..how much help could he possibly be to us?
Erixon was sent down so he could play big minutes and develop, not because of poor performance up here.
Eminger is okay but he’s slow. So is Woywitka.. They are both fairly positionally sound, but you’ll notice if they get caught on the ice against top competition, they look lost and scrambly.
Hopefully Stralman is faster.
by KingHenrik30 on Nov 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Stralman made the Devils...
…they just didn’t have the cap space to sign him. They attempted to waive Fraser hoping someone would pick him up, but nobody bit, and they had to let Stralman go. Gotta remember that the Devils don’t have the financial flexibility that the Rangers have, being able to dump contracts in Hartford to free up space.
If they had the cap space, they certainly would have given him a contract.
two points to make...
1. maybe i just didnt notice, but why have we never discussed stepan centering dubs and cally? yeah he needs a better faceoff % but hes got grit and skill and if there not going to let AA get in there then why not let stepan have a chance. i see what richards can do on the PP with springing gaborik into offensive chances but were paying him all this money to play..with two guys that would benefit more from AA?
2. i think the shootout would be great IF they would somehow award a GWG to the top goal scorer or something. i know its odd because it would be hard to decide who gets it and what not but how many players look so disinterested in the shootout because they KNOW it wont count as a goal. you dont think gaborik would score 9 out of ten times if you told him he could actually get a goal in his stats from it?
otherwise solid game last night
I don’t think that at all. Even when I play inline ball hockey and a are warming up the goalie with one on ones.. You go for it every time.
by CTrangerfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think that at all. Even when I play inline ball hockey and a are warming up the goalie with one on ones.. You go for it every time.
by CTrangerfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry I should know – extra periods on Android means multiple posts
by CTrangerfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry I should know – extra periods on Android means multiple posts
by CTrangerfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well...
when you were there to witness the debacle last Saturday…
followed by a shootout where we didn’t even hit the net….it’s hard not to hate it.
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we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow
by Master Ov Brutality on Nov 4, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
also....
one little thing….a lot of people seem to be calling the hat, The Winning Hat.
however I do believe that the correct name is the Broadway Hat.
in any case…it doesn’t really matter…just saying.
In Prust we Trust
we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow
by Master Ov Brutality on Nov 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
it is a team unity thing...
but lets not kid ourselves….if Hank goes out and gets 3 shutouts in a row…you better believe he’s keeping it every night….unless someone else goes out and gets a hat trick.
In Prust we Trust
we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow
by Master Ov Brutality on Nov 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
how about....
we have a 0 on 0 overtime…where only the goalies get to try and score on each other from the other end of the ice.
In Prust we Trust
we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow
by Master Ov Brutality on Nov 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Hurry and make this happen
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do not enjoy the shootout anymore… it’s a novelty that’s worn off… and I don’t believe it promotes the true nature of the game which is a TEAM game not a 1 v 1 game… i’d rather see the game end in a tie than see the shootout… the moves and trick shots are all but exhausted… I’d rather see the better TEAM win… not th team with the better Shootout guy or better shootout goalie win…
Either 20 minutes of 4 on 4 in OT or a 5 v 5 continuous OT… just for the record i’ve hated the Shootout since it started i don’t think it’s the correct way to end a Team Game… and now they’ve diluted further by not counting the shootout wins in a tie breaker… WHY?!?! if they dont’ help you in a tie breaker why have it?
@clalicata17
clearing up… i’ve hated the idea of the shootout… it was cool at first but the idea of finishing a game in a shootout to me is dumb…
@clalicata17
The Lines
I didn’t get to see much of the game last night because NHL Gamecenter blacked the game out cause it was on NHL Network, makes no sense, and there was no really good feed… so did the lines stay throughout the game or was it shuffle city… obviously there had to be some shuffling with wolski going down in the 1st… i just was wondering if the top 2 lines stayed together or if they were just flip flopping all over the place last night…
@clalicata17
well the lines stayed the same, until Wolski went down, then the lines were, Feds Stepan Gaborik Dubi Richards Cally Artie Boyle Prust Deveaux EC and double shifted whoever.
by CrazyRangerFan on Nov 4, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I LIKE the shootout because the rangers NEED the shootout
Lets face it we get to them a lot. We win more often in them then not. WE need every point we can get. As a ranger fan I approve. As a hawk or red wing fan who can get it usually done in 60 I wouldn’t approve.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Nov 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Slight Non-Sequitor
But I was at the game, and I must say Ryan is one of the most physically imposing players I’ve seen in a while. There were times when Girardi would hit him with full momentum and Ryan just wouldn’t move. Otherwise I loved the lines we had for the end of the game, since they get our top 9 FWDs playing top 9 minutes
Fed-Step-Gaborik
Duby-Richards-Cally
Boyle-AA-Prust
Deveaux-EC-WW/Avery
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still like the 5 point system
All games worth 5 points total, so there’s no “mystery” extra points depending on how teams play.
Reg win = 5 points
OT win = 4 points
SO win = 3 points
SO loss = 2 points
OT loss = 1 point
Reg Loss = 0 points
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Or how bout this
2 points for a win ZERO for a loss…no matter when it happens
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sounds great ...
until you either play three extra periods duing game 5 of a 7 game west coast trip in november … or award a “winner” for a gimmick, hot-dog eating challenge equivalent shoot-out.
If the world was black and white, then bold, intransigent policy would suffice.
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