Breaking News: New York Rangers Trade Tomas Kundratek to the Washington Capitals For Francois Bouchard
by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 PM EST
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PrintThe New York Rangers struck a deal with the Washington Capitals today, not to get another defenseman, but to deal one away.
Tomas Kundratek, 21, has been dealt to the Capitals for Francois Bouchard, 23.
Bouchard is well known for his 2006-2007 season in the QMJHL, in which he notched 125 points. The Capitals drafted Bouchard 35th overall in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft.
Francois Bouchard, the younger brother of Pierre-Marc Bouchard, is a lefty shooting right winger, and last played for Hershey. (AHL) In Hershey this season, Bouchard has not scored, and has a plus minus of -4. Bouchard has not played in the NHL yet, other than pre-season games.
Kundratek, selected 90th overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, will head to Washington in the deal, a move I am not too happy about. While Kundratek likely won't become more than a second or third line defenseman, I am never a fan of trading with conference rivals.
The Rangers lost defense depth, but gained forward depth. Do you like the move?
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Some Hockey Future quotes on Bouchard via SNYRangersblog:
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Talent Analysis
Bouchard is an adept playmaker, with a quick release and great vision in the offensive zone. He is an excellent shooter, with a great release and a hard shot, and a strong nose for the net. Bouchard is agile and quick but not particularly fast. Bouchard’s production has at times been inconsistent and his ability to compete in high pressure situations has been questioned in the past – though he seemed to dispel some of those concerns in the AHL playoffs in 2000-10. Other issues from his junior career revolving around his work ethic and discipline have also shown some progress. Bouchard has loads of stick handling talent, creative moves and is a slick passer, but he lacks strength at times and can be pushed off the puck too easily. To his credit, he’s improved both his strength and his combative play since his junior days. He can play a feisty game and battle when it is necessary, but should avoid undisciplined penalties. Bouchard is the younger brother of Minnesota Wild forward Pierre-Marc Bouchard and a cousin of the Islanders’ P.A. Parenteau.
Future
Bouchard once again faces the prospect of competing for a scoring line role on a team loaded with scorers. Despite the impressive numbers he put up in juniors, and has at times puts up in the AHL, Bouchard’s ticket to a spot with the Capitals may be as a two-way, lower line forward. While long range he could one day be a scoring second-line forward with special teams prowess, he would likely have to be in another organization to get that type of opportunity.
I don’t mind giving up Kundratek… I get the sense that he never really had a chance to make the Rangers considering the age of our current blueline, along with Erixon and McIlrath in the pipeline… But I’m not crazy about what we got in return. Dude sounds like a total project.
by j-red on Nov 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
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This has to be one of the strangest trades yet. TK was considered a very solid, not flashy defensive defensmen. More than likely he or Valentenko were potential call ups this season.
Bouchard, doesn’t seem to bring anything to the table except nsame recognition…due to his bro. THIS MOVE MAKES NO SENSE.
"TK was considered a very solid, not flashy defensive defensmen."
By who? If he was a potential call up this season, the opportunity in all likelihood passed him by when he was not really given consideration to make the team despite the injuries to Sauer and Staal, questions about Erixon and DZ and the prospect of Eminger as a top 4 defenseman. Maybe there are people who considered TK a very solid defensive defenseman, but Torts was obviously not one of them.
Bouchard seems to be on the skinny end of things, like Nugent-Hopkins, and won the QMJHL scoring title the year after being drafted.
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by red army line on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
We always say that when they make head-scratchers, but then there is never another deal.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well, seems like Kundratek was never really going to get a chance here. Not saying he shouldn’t, just that he wont. Guys like Erixon, Mc, Bell, and Valentenko all seem to be ahead of him.
The return though seems a bit suspect. I guess we see something in him. Perhaps we believe that we can develop him, who knows. He certainty has potential and talent, so we’ll see.
If we plan on keeping BR, Gabs, Dubi, Cally, AA, Step, Boyle, and Prust in the long-run, we only have a four spots open.
We have a lot of bodies to fill up those four spots, so maybe a move will be made. Who knows.
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I'd say 5 slots, since a 13th forward is going to see plenty of time due to injuries
But, Rupp is signed for 2 more years after this one, so we’re back to 4.
The Rangers are probably counting on/hoping for Krieder taking a spot before next year ends, so down to 3.
So a nice competition between MZA, Hagelin, Thomas, Bourque, Bouchard, maybe Audy-Marshmallow and eventually Miller for those spots. Assuming the team doesn’t use the money saved on WW, EC, Avery, FedEx and possibly MZA leaving at the end of the season to buy a star forward in the FA market.
The Rupp signing was awful.
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He's scored some in the past and has some skill
They probably thought he was worth taking a chance on, since TK wasn’t making the team anytime soon anyway.
not even close
Norstrom was playing a semi regular role for two years with the rangers already at the time of that deal which is 1a on worst in history of the franchise. kundratek was below a few guys on the depth chart. maybe he blossoms but he’s not at the norstrom level now
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by joereiter on Nov 8, 2011 7:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nordstrom was approx 23 or 24 when he was traded. Kundratek is 21 so what you’re saying is not exactly the same thing. if Kundratek is the same player in 2-3 years as he is now then you are correct. but I guarantee you that Kundratek’s flat play this year is a direct result of his discouragement as to knowing he wouldn’t get a shot here. Kundratek can be a Sauer type D and he was progressing on that path as stated on posts on other blogs, which I agreed with. I think there’s a place on the Rangers for another Sauer. I can think of a few other worse deals other than Nordstrom but I agree to your point. Stupidity at the highest level. They give up on young talent way too early way too often.
norstrom was already with the rangers's big club in 93-94 as a black ace fill in
and he was playing part time in ’95 and more regularly by 95-96
he was way ahead of kundratek at the age of 21 so it’s not a good comparison
additionally, norstrom was dealt for three guys at the end of their careers who played less than fifty games for the rangers COMBINED
this is much more of a wash, one prospect for another….there’s a lot of defensive depth in the organization now, and who knows what other offers were out there for a 21 year old buried in the AHL?
personally i would’ve rather seen him head to edmonton as part of a deal for omark but this isn’t a disaster like the norstrom deal; that trade helped set the rangers back almost a decade
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It’s really time that Torts makes a true third line. The AA-Step-Gabby line and Dubi-BR-Cally line are great lines.
I really don’t think Prust-Boyle- Feds is a good third line. Amazing 4th line but they shouldn’t be really playing that many minutes. I’d rather that line be a go to line when trying to hold onto leads and all are capable of playing PK even though Feds doesn’t play PK a lot.
I wanna see a third line of like MZA-EC- and maybe even an Audi Marshmallow type guy. Devaux has played well but he’s not the kind of guy I want on that line. That line should just be a finesse line who will be playing even strength minutes.
But getting to the subject of the trade I do find it odd but maybe this kid can resurrect some of his shooting skills. Sadly I see Bouchard as another EC who has all skill but nothing else.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Nov 8, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions
“I really don’t think Prust-Boyle- Feds is a good third line. Amazing 4th line but they shouldn’t be really playing that many minutes. I’d rather that line be a go to line when trying to hold onto leads and all are capable of playing PK even though Feds doesn’t play PK a lot.”
Well that sounds familiar…
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Nov 8, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Something I’ve been saying since January. Was just funny to see it said elsewhere.
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So we swapped a minor league D-Man for a minor league Winger
What’s the big deal, defense is easier to replace than offense…I don’t see what the big deal over this trade is
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by Kevin Power on Nov 8, 2011 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not up in arms over the trade
I just don’t see the logic in it.
24 points in 74 games last year, and 0 in 9 games so far this year. Seems like he’s progressing nicely.
not a single f*ck was given by me over this
by Town on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
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I gave one f*ck for it. Just one.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
like He said.
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by Danz10 on Nov 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uh…she was asleep…not you. What exactly was stopping you?
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Have got to watch a lot of great AHL Hockey for many years and I’m not saying anything great but Bouchard can have moments of “wow” on the ice. He has been injured but he should contribute nicely with the Whale. Will be nice to see what Kundratek can do in the Caps system. All I know is the Rangers win again tomorrow….Avery scores first of the season.
A line of WW-EC-Bouchard.
Torts will kill himself.
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Not if he smothered them with some smuckers before they stepped on the ice
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Nov 8, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
This is obviously just a housekeeping move, by saying that I mean Kundratek wasn’t really even playing every night in CT. He was scratched a bunch etc. We have acquried a lot of Defensemen lately and it was time to move one out because there simply is no room. Who gives a hoot? I dont because we lost somebody who was never going to play for us, and gained somebody whose never going to play for our team. Nobody should care.
Kundratek, Niemi, Parlett, Erixon, Baldwin, Valentenko, Bell, Waste Redden, Bickel… I would say that constitutes a “glut” of defensemen.
Yea, we’ve got enough of them to build
by teknics on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and In reality, only two of them are going to have a chance with this team in the near future, because we already have 5 core guys set on D. So in reality, Erixon and McIlrath have already won that on default essentially.
by CrazyRangerFan on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Essentially.
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Precisely.
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Certainly.
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Cam Fowler would've made the team already
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Housekeeping move
Kundratek was a slob, I heard that about him
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
at least the new guy wipes his own ass
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who told you that? felix unger or garry unger?
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IMO, this trade is about as important as what Sean Avery had for breakfast….actually that’s probably really important to some folks here…
But really….it’s doubtful K-tek was ever going to break the line-up, especially with our top 4 already established, as well as MDZ’s magnificent turnaround in the past 5+ games, as well as Erixon and eventually McIlrath in the pipelines…
He obviously didn’t eat enough jam.
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Wait….Sean Avery had breakfast?
Tell me more.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
HOW HAS THIS NOT MADE HEADLINE NEWS #WeWantAvery #AveryArmy #IHEARTSEANAVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We have alot of D-men
Staal-Girardi, McD-Sauer, McIllrath-Erixon-MDZ-Vtank… That counts 8 better dmen then Kundratek I figure so if dealing him throws another F with talent to the Whale this move makes a teeny bit of sense to me.
I’ve grown to love almost all of Sather’s trades these past 36 months or so…
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
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Seems like this move was made
just for the sake of making a move. Time will tell what this move means as always. Will not be surprised if no difference of note comes out of this trade.
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by Livestrong77nyy on Nov 8, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
This just in Brandon Prust has rearranged his sock drawl.
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions
His socks are from Texas?
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EVEN MORE BREAKING NEWS
after further investigation Prust has rearranged his sock drawer.
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps Sather is envisioning a Hagelin Bouchard line of quick scorers to be a third line next year.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Nov 9, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions
uhhh
Did u read the previous posts? He’s not a fast skater. Seems like a unless player other then the occasional ‘wow’ factor, cough cough, christensen. Don’t expect anything from him or ever seeing him, unless, we are completely depleted with injuries and we would have to be pretty depleted at both the national and American level.
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