What's Wrong with Brandon Dubinsky?
Note: All stats current as of 12/13/11 @ 6:00 PM EST (aka no Stars game/time of writing)
"There's a lot of weight that comes with the contract I just signed, and a lot of expectations that come with it, but I think I am ready to take that step and make sure that I play up to those expectations. I think I am improving and getting better each and every year, and I don't think this year will be any different. I look forward to build off the success I had last year. But to take that next step, personally, I need that consistency every night, the consistency in the level of my play. With the responsibility I have to the team, consistency is a big part of it for me." - Brandon Dubinsky
Obviously that quote stems from when Dubinsky signed his new deal this past offseason. I got the full quote from here, Nick also mentioned it back in the summer here (Nick's article on Dubisnky so far this season inspired this writeup - go read it); but the funniest part of all is that the original source was here at Blueshirts United. To which now you get the following screen:
That's kind of funny, no? I tried searching for it, really, but I couldn't find it (click above to see it). Anyways, Brandon Dubinsky is a fine hockey player - he's just in a small slump. Let's see why and how (flawed) expectations have made Dubinsky into a bit of a scapegoat lately.
1) Last Season and Career Development
While many would probably argue that 2010-11 was Dubinsky's breakout season, I would argue that in reality it was 2009-10. He increased his PPG from 0.5 the year previous to 0.64 - a 52 point pace if he didn't happen to miss 13 games (his point total went up 10 in 2010-11 with an additional 8 games to his name); all while going from a protected offensive role to a full-on two-way forward role playing against the other teams top competition (3rd in qualcomp amongst forwards min. 30 GP 2009-10).
He took the change in stride, and had a generally similar year in 2010-11 and was rewarded for his solid play and development over the previous four seasons. Everyone wanted Dubinsky back, and I dare you to find one person who didn't. Then came the money, which as we all know, changes everything life one way or another. This is where the expectations all changed, and Dubisnky was again expected to have another "breakout" or "big" season. Herein lies the problem; he's already broken out as explained above.
In less importance but still to note: Dubinsky is actually out performing his junior hockey self when it comes to league translations (Note: I personally alter the CHL coefficient from 0.29 to 0.43 - I feel its more accurate for many reasons which I will explain if asked). See the chart/graph below (click to enlarge):
Now it's not a bad thing Dubinsky is out performing these numbers, they are just essentially averages and guidelines. The career average PPG red dotted line represents Dubinsky's average NHL season based on his career average PPG in the WHL (0.98). His eventual NHL career PPG rate should be around that, but it appears Dubinsky will most likely end up higher than that unless he has a few seasons below that line.
2) Expectations and Dubinsky's Role
As the size of Dubinsky's contract inflated, so did expectations for him, as he noted in his quote over the summer. While this may seem justifiable, at the same time isn't because the Rangers are paying Dubinsky to replicate his past results, seeing as he was already a top-six player before the contract (aka signing at fair market value). And with the signing of Brad Richards to be the "number one" center the Rangers also acknowledged the fact that they didn't expect Dubinsky to grow into a #1 center, as we could all probably agree that he is best fit for a second-line role.
So with that said, Dubinsky was handed multiple top-six roles to begin the season but has recently seen bottom-six duties, as his scoring touch has seem to go astray. Outside of the scoring concerns, he's actually been the Brandon Dubinsky we've all seen before - and the chart below shows it (click to enlarge):
He's starting in his own zone a little more often than in the past, but this can be negated somewhat by playing the lowest quality of competition of his career. His PDO is high, but this can be attributed to the great goaltending NYR has received thus far. His possession statistics are generally in line (Corsi QoC and Corsi Rel the focus), so what gives? I think its pretty simple: Dubinsky just needs to pull the trigger more often.
3) Dubinsky and Shooting
Now I'm not saying this is the be-all end-all solution to Dubinsky's play, but even those of us who don't rely on these numbers for more context could probably agree that Dubinsky hasn't looked that different this season, either (at least he hasn't to me - but come with some kind of evidence to convince me otherwise). The fact is this: when it comes to shooting in the NHL (even bar league hockey to an extent) there are two parts. Firstly, shooting (and subsequently scoring) is very much subjected to luck; and secondly shooting percentage is generally a law of averages. It's very hard to be a consistent shooter of the puck, which is why players have highs, lows, and outliers when it comes to putting the puck in the net.
Dubinsky's Shots For/60 (all shots NYR takes when Dubinsky is on the ice) is down in the chart above exactly 3 shots. Not that much right? Well, let's look at him individually, courtesy of hockeyreference.com (not as accurate, but still a good general look):
What's very obvious with this chart is the Shooting %. At a paltry 2.4% this season, Dubisnky is experiencing the worst stretch of luck in his career, by far. I think its also fair to say Dubinsky suddenly didn't lose his talent to shoot at an NHL level overnight because he's produced four seasons of average to above average shooting; with a career average of 9.4%.
So what about shooting the puck more? Well, that's the whole idea. Any player with top, even middle, six NHL talent can shoot the puck pretty well. With 41 shots through 27 games, Dubinsky is on pace for 124.5 shots this season - which would easily be his career low. Even at his lowest total thus far, his rookie season, Dubisnky was shooting the puck 25% more than he is this season - this figure jumps to 47% more when compared to last season (career high).
4) Conclusion
After all of that my conclusion is simple: if Dubisnky starts shooting at a higher rate like he has in the past, his bad luck will end at some point and he will start to find his "scoring touch" again. He's had a bad start to the season, this cannot be denied, but as explained when it comes to shooting it is difficult to do consistently - let alone at the NHL level. Even so far this season Dubisnky is still on pace for 36 points in 82 games, only a couple of bounces away from that career low of 40 points his rookie season. But lets look at the bright side: the Rangers are winning (and playing better of late) and Dubinsky is still playing good all around hockey. Once the bounces start to fall his way, we'll start see him celebrating more often.
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I am glad that the other aspects of his game have not seemed to falter. Players go through this type of slump on occasion and generally I believe the way out is to play a sound, fundamental game. Keep playing smart and put the team first; you’ll find yourself in proper position and the puck will find you.
A “small slump” ? Sort of like the Hindenburg was a little “Oops?”
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by RangerFanInChicago on Dec 14, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions
The one area he must improve, he has to find a way to get more shots. With a difference of 50 directed shots between he and Ryan, that could mean an extra 3-4 ES goals per year. That would put him in the 17-18 range, typical of a 1st liner in today’s NHL. The other will be finding consistency in his game, a problem that haunts both players, but for which Brandon is more notorious, given the perceived energy levels of each player on a nightly basis.
That’s me from the offseason before 2010-11. Last year it looked like he turned the corner there, now he’s back to not shooting again.
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Good guy, hustles hard, “good” 2 way player andsticks up for his teammates is how Dubi should be described. We as ranger fans need to stop overrating our players. He had 20 goals last year including 4 empty netters. Why would anyone logically think he would maybe become a 30 30 guy?
I like dubi, as all of you should. We cant expect the world from him.
He had 24 goals with 5 EN goals. Other than adjusting what one expects his shooting percentage to be, EN goals count the same as any other goal. You still have to be in a position of trust late in games, and still have to actually work to get in a position to score an EN goal. EN situations do not result in 100% goals against.
Anyway, agree that 30-30 is unreasonable, but 20-40 shouldn’t have been.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
let's be real here
I don’t care what position you have to put yourself in to score a en goal. The only way its the same as a reg goal is in the box score. A really good desensive foward with horrible offensive skills can score 5 en goals in a season. You don’t need good ofensive ability to score them, just good defense to break up plays during 6 on 5 play. I’m not arguing that’s why dubi goals are inflated, but en goals are def not the same, its almost insulting to goal scorers that have to work twice as hard for goals when goalies are actually in the net.
by klh2009 on Dec 14, 2011 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look at the list of EN goal leaders every year. There are many more 15-20 goals guys than there are defensive forwards/5-10 goal players. It’s not coincidence.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
yea bc you'd rather good two way players out there in crunch time
Why put out a blair bets when you need a en goal when u have a player like giroux, some1 that can score and play d. My point is if u put som1 like betts ( I use him bc he’s really the perfect player to use). 25 times hell come back with 10 to 15 goals. The guy hasn’t sniffed double digit goals in 82 games. No way its the same I’m sorry. I’m not saying its an easy thing to do score a en goal, cause its not. But its double as hard to score on a goalie, especially nowa days I’m sorry.
by klh2009 on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not denying it’s not easier, simply because it only needs directional accuracy. There seems to be this idea that they somehow don’t count at all. Betts has played in plenty of EN situations, it’s not like he’s rung up the goals in his career.
I’ll admit, 5 EN goals was flukish. Only maybe 2-3 guys each year get that many. Usually it’s 1-2 a year.
Look, even if you choose to ignore them completely, Dubi scored 19 in 77 games, which is obviously a 20 goal pace, and his adjusting shooting percentage is 9.6%, right in line with his career numbers. It’s just being used as another way to knock him down a peg.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not discounting empty netters
I know they are not as easy as some make it to be. I was just arguing the fact its not the same as a regular goal. I’m not even arguing that dubis totals are inflated for that reason, bc I still think he is a 50 60 pt player. Just that the goals are differant. Not knocking dubi at all. I do agree you with I think he can be more of a 20 40 guy than a 30 30 guy.
by klh2009 on Dec 14, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes empty net goals are no small accomplishment
but you can still score them with gloves of stone
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My problem with Dubi is that this year he doesnt seem to have the same aggressive, hustling game. He’s not taking the body as much as he has in years past; not getting into fights (maybe a good thing? but seems to show his lack of aggressiveness). I would have been happy if he scored 20 goals and played his former hustling, tough nosed style. Right now not only is he not scoring but he seems indifferent when he’s on the ice. His play so far this year is worth about $900k not $4mm.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
overrated
some people say hes still young hes growing .The fact is hes never scored more then 20 goals except last year with the empty netters nes in his prime hes a 4mill pk player who the fans love like avery overratedthird line player at best
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some people say hes still young hes growing
He technically still is, offensively. Players typically peak between 25 and 27. This year (at 25) is obviously not a peak.
overratedthird line player at best
Untrue. His two-way versatility shows up in the possession numbers, as I outlined above. He’s a quality two-way second liner that when playing at his best can hang with first-line competition. He’s not playing to his contract right now, I’ll agree, but that’s because of bad luck if you ask me.
Bad luck?
Like George says above, he is just not shooting the puck. It is really hard to score goals when you don’t shoot the puck. Luck has nothing to do with this slump. Hopefully he can turn it around soon.
Well, he’s got no luck on the shots he has taken. It’s not an issue of quality either, from a scoring chance/total shots perspective, he’s around the same pace as last year.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
41 Shots - 27 GP
He has shot the puck, just at the lowest pace of his career. If he shoots more, chances are his true talent will start shine through (aka ~9% shooting) and not the 2.4% he has experienced through 27 games.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Dec 14, 2011 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
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by RangerFanInChicago on Dec 14, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dubi needs to play with Richards and Callahan
Only way he’ll generate offense
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions
He needs a goal to deflect in off his nuts, helmet, face, something.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
then Sam
Will be all like, Dubinsky got his (a) piece on that, Rangers lead 3-0
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Dec 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
any of these are appropriate
- Brandon “too many moves” Dubinsky (as previously stated)
- Brandon " hands of stone" Dubinsky
- Brandon “it looks like the rest of my game is fine because I’m always showing ‘effort’ because I dive for pucks when diving is superfluous for the situation” Dubinsky
- Brandon “hasn’t done anything that another Hagelin/Mitchell can’t do for a quarter of the salary” Dubinsky
- Brandon “score goals? Whats that” Dubinsky
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Maybe the first one but the rest I much much too harsh
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 14, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
ive watched too many games this season in which Dubi fumbled tape to tape passes. His hard work on the boards is endearing, yes, but it means dick if he isn’t coming away with the puck and getting chances by the net afterwards. Hagelin/mitchell are Dubi’s equal at this point and come at a quarter of the cost. The lack of production by Dubi is more than apparent.
The rest may sound harsh, but I’m not someone to sugarcoat.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
oh stop it
You elected to name yourself after Callahan but hate on a guy who is a pretty similar player.
they are not “pretty similar.” Idk where you’re getting that from.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
just to expand on that…
cally plays every shift like its his last and has goals and assists to show for it. Theres a reason Cally is the captain of this team and Dubi gets talked about in trade threads and under-performance threads. Saying Dubi and Cally are similar is insulting to Callahan’s tremendous work ethic and evolving skill set.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
They both hustle and play a “complete” game – meaning they are responsible defensively, get involved offensively (aside from the slump this whole post was about), kill penalties, cycle, block shots, dish out hits. I’m going from memory but they should be fairly close in their careers in terms of scoring.
Callahan is well-deserving with the captaincy and is having a terrific year. When I compare them, it’s more appropriate to call it praise than insulting. I was considering buying a Dubinsky jersey. Then Callahan was really impressive. I couldn’t decide so I’m going with Graves :)
If Cally wasn’t off to a hot start, and Dubinsky’s not off to a slow start, I don’t think this conversation even happens.. Rob seems to have struck a nerve and brought out a lot of hate on a guy that lead the team in more ways than just scoring last year.
To respond to your first point, I’d say Dubinsky’s game isn’t complete for the aforementioned reasons regarding his lack of production. For whatever reason it is, maybe fans get the way they do (myself included obviously) because of the attachments we get to players. It can’t just be about the contract because rarely anyone talks about Boyle and he has been worse (but he doesn’t get paid as much so maybe that justifies it for some?). The reason I get so harsh about it is because I really get emotionally invested in the Rangers. I’m not saying you don’t, but what I mean to say is I feel a bit betrayed by Dubinsky’s play and it shows in my comments. I understand now your comparison and wanting to call it praise instead of insult. That being said, if Cally wasn’t off to a hot start and Dubi was this conversation would happen, but it would be in reverse because I hold players that are similar to similar standards. Just understand that I’m critical of Dubinsky not because I hate him, but because I really like him as a player and what I imagine him to be like off the ice from interviews and meet and greets. I hope he gets his act together or whatever needs to happen because I would not be okay seeing him in another jersey.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I could be really mean give him the nickname of another former Ranger prospect who was notoriously bad post contract signing: Brandon “Kovalev” Dubinsky.
I don’t really think he’s like Kovalev….yet. I reserve the right say so in the future. ;)
I'm thinking
-Brandon “perimeter play” Dubinsky
He is constantly working the boards, which he is great, but he seems to shy away from trying to beat a defensmen 1 on 1 when entering the zone. Its frustrating to watch. he goes wide to the boards, then goes around the net, then looks to spin around a fling the puck at the net from bad angles.
At 4 mil a year, lets see some moves kid!
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by middletownbull on Dec 14, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
my response to Zuppa a few posts up touches on this. At 4 mil a year you better be getting more than just perimeter play.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Playoffs, Playoffs, Playoffs
I can see him getting hot at the end of the season when we really need him. Plenty of playoff heroes have had less than spectacular regular seasons.
Yeah but other than that bizarre goal in Game 3 last year he was a no show in the playoffs.
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He had goals in games 3 and 4, and was involved in more scoring chances for the series than anyone not named Gaborik or Boyle.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Game 4 was the one where they blew the 3-0 lead in about 2 seconds right? If memory serves, he was on the ice for at least two of those Capitals goals. In the first two games, he was utterly invisible. However many scoring chances he may be credited with, other than the goal in Game 3, I would have to say his impact was negligible.
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He looks different this year. Last year, especially when Gabby was having injury troubles, there were games where Dubinsky absolutely took over with his physicality. He was also using his physical game and skill to create shots for himself. I’m not seeing that this year. He seems much more reserved in his offensive role, however he has still played great defensive hockey.
I just think out of anybody on this team, Dubinsky changes the most depending on who is on his line as well as the situation the team is in. Outside of Wolski (not that I think it matters) and Rupp (who gives a shit), the forwards have been healthy, Stepan is emerging as an offensive force, we signed one of the top centers in the game, and Gaborik is healthy. Whether it’s subconscious or by choice, it looks to me like Dubi is just taking on more of a reserved role, playing good defensive hockey and chipping in when he can. The team is winning, and outside of that Dallas game, scoring plenty of goals, so he’s not really being relied on for offense.
I would like to see him get more aggressive, using his physicality to create chance,s and shots. He is going to bang some home at some point, it’s just a matter of not letting this offensive slump hamper his defensive and physical play.
My guess – and that’s all it is – is that his problem is largely in his head, and that failure is feeding on itself, as it tends to do. He doesn’t have enormous gifts as a shooter – he’s a grinder, so it’s not like he can fall back on a natural instinctive shooting skill. I also think the lack of shots points to a fear of failure – if he doesn’t shoot, he can’t miss.
We’ve seen this with athletes in all the sports. Mark Wohlers suddenly not finding the strike zone, Chuck Knoblauch suddenly being unable to throw to first base. Those are extreme examples that ended up sinking careers, this obviously isn’t even close to that.
My advice to him is to stop caring about anything, including whether he scores or not, and just go out and play. Easier said than done, I know, but it’s the only way he’ll loosen up.
He’s had a lot of changes last few months, from big contract to getting married, so that could play into as well as far as stress and pressure.
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I have to agree with the “its in his head” idea. I always saw Dubinsky and Callahan as the two kids coming up together, becoming the heart of the team, and playing similar roles. This is probably reinforced by the fact that the two of them did a little 10 second “Congrats on your upcoming wedding” video captured on my camera for my wife and I during a signing (very cool and very grateful!). Now, Callahan is the captain and playing like one, taking on a much larger role with the team and the fans and Dubinsky has been left out of this. Combine this with the stress of the new contract and this could be a huge factor.
I think he just has to get back to his physical, aggravating style and get more on the net but its hard to crack Torts’ system in terms of getting more time. Not like I’d hope for it but an injury or two to some main guys but that may give him that opportunity and jump-start him again. I also think he thrives on consistency of playing time, which has not been the case.
Yes, I see why Torts has reduced his minutes and have to agree with it, it definitely won’t help as far as getting him out of this slump.
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Its true…its a tough predicament. On one hand, one would think more time would help. On the other time, he has not done much with the time he has had, whether is was scoring or even doing something to get noticed. That’s what makes a guy like Hagelin something to watch because he has been quite productive in a limited role.
Its not a very original idea
But I say give him one of St. Louis or Phoenix off…let him watch the game from the press box and get his head of game mode for one night…what’s the worst that can happen?
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Well, I suppose he could get really drunk, wander off in to the St. Louis night, start a one-man riot, draw national press attention, and be forced to apologize to the country from his jail cell, but hell, we’ve all done that.
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that would be awesome
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He's gone through these bad stretches during his career
Last season he went 2 months w/o scoring a goal, and he’s also gone 1 month w/o scoring a goal on an occasion or 2. Relax guys. I think it’s actually a blessing in disguise that he’s not playing well now while the Rangers are killing it. It will only go to show that he will regress to the mean perhaps when the Rangers need him the most.
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He doesn’t seem to be playing with the fire in the offensive zone that we came to know and love him for over the past few years. Dubinsky needs to start driving to the net, making himself a pain in the ass for defenders, and shooting more often. I have seen him make more than a few extra “pretty” passes this year. He has to start getting hungry for goals. He needs a few ugly ones to get him going.
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Obviously Sather and Rangers’ management had expectations because they weren’t giving $4M per for a PKer. He’s not a 30 goal scorer but come on, 1 goal past Thanksgiving? That’s horrible and it’s tough for me to say that since he is my 2nd favorite player on the current team. There is no intensity in his offensive game whatsoever. He gets garbage goals not Gretzky goals. The garbage goals require he go to the net and shoot. Looking to pass at the opponents’ blue line on a 2 on 1 the other night is a clear indication he has zero confidence in his offensive game. Many don’t agree with me but I say he needs to take a seat for a few games and I have said it for a while now. Not having this guy produce offensively will really hurt the team at some point. He needs to snap out of it. And soon.

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