Bantering Points: The Cameras And Sean Avery
HBO will air the premier episode of 24/7 tonight at 10 PM Eastern time. The New York Daily News and SB Nation, among others, have written about it. Now it's my turn!
Personally, I do not believe the cameras have-or will-have a large affect on the New York Rangers.
While John Tortorella may get extremely frustrated and punch a camera. the Rangers players have kept their eyes on the prize without distraction.
Last night the Rangers lost due to tentative hockey, not cameras watching their every move. The game plan was flawed, and the execution was not spot on.
What bothers me the most is the assumption that the cameras will have an affect on the Rangers, and in an unrelated note, that some are saying the Rangers lost because of Sean Avery sitting.
When the players are on the ice they are playing hockey, not watching the cameras, and John Tortorella is as intense and focused as ever.
Sean Avery plays 6-9 minutes of hockey each night, and while he definitely should be in over Eric Christensen (who has not been absolutely horrendous) we can not know for sure that Avery would have helped the Rangers win, just like we don't know if his absence helped the Rangers win the previous game.
It's silly to me that some attribute wins and losses to one player, a player that only plays 6-9 minutes, but that's what being a fan favorite gets you.
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It's not even that
Avery isn’t the kind of player that’s going to make a difference night in night out. He’s good as a spark every once in a while.
This team has proven that they don’t need him on the ice every night.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
Torts really doesn't care what the fans want and that wont affect his decisions
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 14, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
And that's a good thing.
Fans are emotional creatures that do not and often can not analyze situations objectively.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
"It's silly to me that some attribute wins and losses to one player"
Completely agree…BUT…last night it was obvious the team/crowd needed something to get going. Sean could have been it…but we’ll never know. Prust tried with the fight…it just seemed like a lost cause after that point.
by inHANKweTruST on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m not sure what Avery does last night that would’ve done anything, short of going all Happy Gilmore on someone and taking off his skates to attack people. At different points, you had:
Feds-Richards-Callahan spending what felt like an hour cycling and generating pressure in the zone – no momentum
Prust fight – no momentum
A powerplay that spent nearly all 2 minutes in the offensive zone – no momentum.
Crowd had opportunities to get juiced, they didn’t. Off night, it happens, and probably happens with Avery in the lineup as well.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
very excited for 24/7
last year was great and this will be better. This Rangers Flyers game will make Pens Caps look like a girl scout meeting.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 14, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions
i think these guys might have read the papers, they were always looking to make the cute extra pass which is not their game AT ALL. They seemed to completely stray from the style of hockey they have been successful with so far this year. Hardly any hard forechecking/cycling/hitting. They let the stars come out and play the perfect road game, looked like pond hockey out there for the most part.
Dubinsky looks lost, seems to have lost his hockey sense completely. Making moves at the blueline is a hockey 101 no no, and he does it constantly causing his linemates to go offsides.
Del zotto moves the puck well and makes sense on the powerplay in my mind, but i wouldnt peg him as the guy we want taking the shots from the point, given his propensity to miss the net and wrap the puck around the boards and out of the zone (perfect breakout for opposition).
Our breakouts were atrocious last night, defensemen just wrapping the puck hard, one of the hardest pucks to handle for a winger with defensemen bearing down on you. These guys should be able to skate with the puck, get their head up and make a breakout pass. If you want Girardi to ever be in the running for an allstar bid hell have to start with that
Woywika...
Woywika’s bad outlet pass cost them the game. He has played solid. I thought the team played decent. Sure the intensity we say in the final few minutes should have been there most of the game but to me it was one bad turnover which cost them at least a point late in the game.
On to St. Louis…
just for the record
I wouldn’t lose any sleep if I never saw Avery in a Rangers jersey ever again Brandon.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
I think Avery is the guy you bring in after a game like this to try and shake things up. It might not even be anything Sean does in terms of hits/scoring/fighting, but maybe it’ll send a subliminal message to the team “Torts hates this guy yet he’s dressing him for the next game, he must be pissed.”
Maybe even call him up and give him ice-time over a few players who didn’t play well in the previous game. Again, it won’t be anything Avery does. It’s about what it will do to the other players “OMFG he’s playing Avery of all the guys in MY spot, man I better get my shit together.”
Coaching is mostly psychology.
Would Avery have won the game. More than likely no.
Is Avery better than EC this year? IMO his play been slightly better, but not by much. EC has a better skill set, however he does not play like that all the time. He has had 2 assists in his time here so he has produced in limited time also. However, you have to take into account the affect on the atmosphere he brings. Good/Bad/Ugly he does get the crowd going game in and out. EC hasn’t played badly, he does not bring anything to the game that Avery does. Plus, you think Avery would have had a chip on his shoulder playing against the Stars too.
On a side note: would Avery on the PP be worth a shot? he thinks shoot first and is also a guy who likes being in front of the net. He was effective at it years ago, but like everything else that was ages ago. Maybe its worth a shot just to try and shake someone up who hasnt produced and get him going.
Christensen has been horrible. I’ll say, I love Avery, but my hate for Christensen has nothing to do with that. It’s clear at this point that Torts hates Avery and doesn’t want to play him (You really can’t deny that now). I don’t care if they put Avery in or someone else (Anybody else), but they have to take EC out. I can’t watch this guy play anymore.
Tortorella called him the “Total Package”?? What exactly is that? He doesn’t, and never has played any D, he doesn’t care. He doesn’t hit anyone. He’s scared of contact, whenever someone comes near him he just throws the puck away. He has a good shot, but he never uses it, and when he does, it seems like he misses the net almost every time now. He’s good in the shootout but he’s only 1-3 this year.
But what really pisses me off is this: The game where Avery was undeniably the best Ranger on the ice, the 11/11/11 game, he only played 10:06. One of the lowest on the team that night. He was all over the ice and the Rangers best player. No powerplay time in that game (Why? Torts never tries him on the powerplay even when the PP sucks).. 2 games ago, in EC’s 1st game back, he was ok. Same old, same old. Nothing special, invisible most of the night. He played 12:54, including Powerplay time, and ice time with Gabby. More ice time then Carl Hagelin (Game after Hags scored twice and played great).. Why? I don’t understand why Tortorella loves this guy. Majority of Rangers fans hate Christensen, even the fans that don’t like Avery.
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by NYRangerFan718 on Dec 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think you need to let Avery play 6-7 games and then sit him for a couple, simply for motivation. I am sure that I am not the only one that believes that Avery played so well after Hartford because he was focused after almost losing his NHL job. I think his effectiveness plateaued and then dipped – and don’t complain to me about dropping from 9 to 6 minutes per game so what could he do, if you can string together 3-4 good shifts you get the 9 rather than 6. So, I think he is a player that responds to lighting a fire under his ass, and all season long there needs to be the threat of being benched or sent down.
My issue was that Joe said in his recap that playing Avery would not have changed the outcome of the game.
To say that with complete certainty came across as very, well, arrogant to me.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

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