Just An Observation
With all these concussions now occurring I don't why the league hasn't changed the simplest thing. Helmets. When I played in high school and now even my helmet always fit not necessarily tight, but it fit me. I see every players chin strap fit ridiculously loose. I mean that's insane. Why don't they do it like the NFL where they have an actual guard on the chinstrap?
That's a good first step I think to avoiding concussions. I mean when Michael Sauer got hit by Phaneuf his helmet flew off. That should never happen.
The next step is to change the dynamic of the helmets themselves and I think Messier mighta been on to something with his ideas for the inside of the helmets with the Messier Project helmets.
Seriously I don't know why the NHL isn't working round the clock to find a way to limit these concussions. It can only help investigating a new helmet even if it brings down concussions by let's just say 20% or reduces the impact to the head.
I know solving concussions fully is unlikely to ever to happen but at least limiting them is a much better option at this point.
Thoughts?
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How any players played with concussions before the NHL started taking concussions serious? If you look around the league there are (off the top of my head) maybe 10 guys out with concussions. Giroux, Pronger, Staal, Sauer, Skinner, Pitkanen, Michalek, Crosby etc. The game has not changed and it is scary to think about how many players have been diagnosed with concussions and we are not even half way through the season.
I think the NHL has to do something to help the players and the franchises. Obvious Statement Players going down with concussions hurts teams. Losing Skinner is going to be a huge lose for an already struggling Canes team. Giroux was having a Hart trophy caliber year and who knows when he will be back. The Flyers are a deep team but that is a big loss. Our Rangers are off to a great start but one can only imagine how our team would play if we had Staal in. I guess the point of my rant is that there needs to be a solutions found to preventing concussions because injuries like these can have disastrous effects on a players health, the skill level of teams and the overall quality of the game.
by BroadwayBlue30 on Dec 15, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1.
People always talk about fighting and the repercussions from them, but I don’t think any of the guys you mentioned even fight, besides Pronger and Sauer once in a while.
Something needs to happen.
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well staal did have that one "fight" with Alex Semin lol
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 15, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
lmao!
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Actually...
the game has changed…remember the red line at center ice? Remember clutch and grab and the trap?
People are flying now.
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Totally agree on the helmet issue, but they also need to lessen the ‘armor’ that these players wear. There’s no need to have what amounts to ballistic plastic covering your shoulder/elbow. They can easily make something that’s a cushion/plastic protective/cushion so that it’s not an instantaneous jar to the head when hit.
Players need to adjust too. Gotta keep your damn head up.
+1
Setting the rules where players can turn and take advantage of the “don’t hit from behind” so they can protect the puck while not allowing the defensive player to initiate contact has to change. I think this has fostered an environment where players disregard their own safety and this has translated to a carless attitude all over the ice. I completely agree with your comment – players have to be aware when they are in dangerous areas on the ice, understand where the other players are, and keep their heads up. Making the ice bigger won’t help that. As much as it pains me to admit it, Staal and Sauer got jacked becasue they were looking down and lost track of the 200 lb freight train headed their way.
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by bleed'n blue on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Sauer, but with Staal thats BS. Dude was hooked and couldn’t move on the play…
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it's not just a helmet issue
JD hit the nail on the head tonight
the overall speed of the game is much faster than it was
the ice size has not increased as the game has gotten faster
the collisions are more violent now because players come in faster than before, and the armor-like elbow pads doesn’t help
the problem is owners (especially dolan) won’t want a bigger ice surface that cuts down on ice level seats
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Agreed. It was a good idea.
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I would like to see the game remain as true as possible
changing helmets is relatively easy. length and width of the ice changes the game a bit. I also think if we get rid of the trapezoid we can get goalies playing the puck more so their defenseman don’t get destroyed as much.
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"Your the dirtiest player in the league!"- Scott Hartnell to Matt Cooke
"The universe is big....." -Ilya Bryzgalov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 16, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
everyone cites the icing collisions, and behind the defensive net as reasons for concussions. both our guys concussions happened above the hashmarks on the wall, crosby was open ice. same for girou. the problem is not the trapezoid… although, who likes that thing anyway?
No touch icing is fine with me as I think defenseman win the races most of the time anyway and it's a hassle for them to get it anyway
Staal and Sauer’s concussions were both unavoidable.
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"Your the dirtiest player in the league!"- Scott Hartnell to Matt Cooke
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 17, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I was under the impression that it’s really not the helmets that are resulting in all these concussions. Obviously players need to have them strapped up properly, or situations such as Sauer can occur. I thought that it was the mere collisions and the “jarring” of the brain inside the player’s skull that causes conscussions. If that’s the case, there isnt a whole lot more a better helmet can do to help prevent concussions, other than remaining on so their heads dont hit the ice/boards.
It comes down to the increase in speed and strength of the players who are padded up like armored missiles these days. About a year ago Shannahan came out and "jokingly’ said that the way to prevent concussions was to have everyone wear the same shoulder pads he wore when he played. In principle, you would think it would prevent, or at least hinder, players from carelessly throwing their body around. Its similar to th comparisons of rugby and football. People wonder how Rugby players dont get killed the way football players do, and part of it is the fact they are covered in armor that allows them to fly around like a guided missle.
I may be way off here, but just firing that out there.
by Peter North Stars on Dec 16, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions
Lack of respect......
When I played, we were forced to wear helmets and that was ok, but player never hit from behind for two reasons….
One, as a player, you were never stupid enough to turn your back to the play or to put yourself in a position were another player good cream you and Two, as a hockey player, I never wanted to take a cheap shot at another player when he had his back to me…..
We also kept our sticks down when we finished off checks and never went after someone’s head….
There is just a total lack of respect for other players in hockey today at advanced levels…..
good point
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"Your the dirtiest player in the league!"- Scott Hartnell to Matt Cooke
"The universe is big....." -Ilya Bryzgalov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree..
I may be out of line here but it’s not a lack of respect…we’re witnessing the same patterns as there has always been. There may have been an overall respect for one another but the same cheap shots and hits have occurred for decades. You can’t tell me the hitting wasn’t vicious before they started looking into player safety, but when you spotlight and replay certain ‘dirty’ plays you realize just how many actually occur. I personally don’t know how much you can really change to make the game safer; I’m all for changing the size of pads or increasing the size of the ice as long as it’s not exaggerated; but the one thing that will never change is human nature.
good point
I had this conversation recently with someone. it seems like concussions are way more common nowadays. maybe they just know more about them and how to diagnose them. a new helmet design would totally help. tight fitting and shock absorbent.
I piss excellence
List of NHL players with concussions this season (so far…)
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Claude Giroux
3. Mike Richards
4. Michael Sauer
5. Jeff Skinner
6. Joni Pitkanen
7. Kris Letang
8. Chris Pronger
9. Zbynek Michalek
10. Robert Bortuzzo
11. Jay Beagle
12. Milan Michalek
13. Brayden Schenn
14. Radek Martinek
15. Marek Zidlicky
16. Nathan Gerbe
17. Brian Rolston
18. Nino Niederreiter
19. Peter Mueller
20. Ryan Wilson
21. Andy McDonald
I’m not sure this list is comprehensive and obviously it doesn’t include Marc Staal.
1/3rd of these players are All-Stars
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that's a lot of people
lot of good players too
"I was reloading my weapon"- Artem Anisimov on 24/7
"Your the dirtiest player in the league!"- Scott Hartnell to Matt Cooke
"The universe is big....." -Ilya Bryzgalov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not saying they shouldn’t be doing it, but I wonder if all of these players are sitting because there’s been an actual rise concussion inducing hits or if its a result of how careful teams are being. Basically I’m saying I wonder how many of those guys would be playing right now if it was 10 years ago.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 17, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
It is an uphill battle to try to make huge rule changes or expand to a larger ice surface, but it amazes me that they have not done some of the little things like making those special impact helmets mandatory, decreasing shoulder and elbow pad size, hybrid icing, and maybe even removing the instigator rule.
The issue of fighting is a non-issue to me. Only 10% of concussions come from fighting and by now, every enforcer is aware of the dangers of his career choice, same as a boxer. Almost nobody is ever in a fight that is not a willing participant, so it is a risk that anyone can avoid if they choose too.
well written opinion
it does seem like there’s a lack of respect for other players in today’s game, I am shocked the NHL has done nothing to address this issue.
I thought it was only me who noticed a scary trend of concussions on the rise in 2011-2012
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It is 100% a combination of bad luck (same rate of concussed players, just bad luck in the sense that it’s the first and second liners and the first pairing defenseman) and an overall consensus to be cautious shown by teams. It’s not a lack of respect in the game, I’d even argue there are far worse cheap shots in the ’80’s and ’90’s..
Interesting read from CBC
Btw, this is a great column to add to your weekly reading:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2011/12/what-to-do-with-suter-weber-30-thoughts.html
On widening the ice:
Widening Rinks
Hockey Night In Canada colleague Eric Francis reported Saturday that widening the ice surface to cut down on the number of concussions could cost $12 million per arena, one reason why teams are saying, “No thanks.”
After Saturday’s Hotstove segment, former NHL head coach and current NHL Network analyst Gary Green reached out with more detailed information. Green is a senior director at BBB Architects, a company heavily involved in arena construction and remodelling. The very successful Madison Square Garden renovation is one of BBB’s most recent projects.
“A few years ago, there was some interest in looking into a new type of [rink] construction,” Green said. "The Hartwall Areena in Helsinki set the precedent.
“We built it [in 1997] with an ice surface of 200 × 94 [feet].”
Prior to that, Olympic-sized ice was 200 × 100. After Hartwall’s completion, the International Ice Hockey Federation amended its rulebook to allow for the slimmer width. NHL dimensions are 200 × 85.
“There was so much discussion, we had some of our architects look at what it would really involve,” Green said. "It’s correct that it would be $10-$12 million in construction costs, but there was more than that.
“The lost revenues from some of your best seats weren’t just a one-time thing. They were forever lost.”
But it wasn’t just about revenue. Murray Beynon, one of the Bs in BBB (he’s a partner), looked at the diagrams and saw another major problem.
“The sightlines would be miserable,” Green said. "Depending on where you were sitting, you’d lose the ability to see players up against the boards … the angles of the seats needed to be changed.
“You would have to rip out the entire bowl and redo it. You might as well build a new arena.”
And how many NHL teams are looking to do that right now? Four? (I’m counting Calgary, Detroit, Edmonton and the Islanders.) That’s not enough to make an impact.
Green said the study took place about five years ago. It was shared with the NHL and with current Toronto Maple Leafs president and GM Brian Burke, who took an interest in the idea. After seeing BBB’s diagram, the idea went the way of the one-referee system.
Pretty interesting stuff, though.
I'm No Architect . . .
. . . but I cannot see how new sightlines would be “miserable.” Row F becomes Row A. Fans look down toward the action a little more. So what?
You would have to rip out the entire bowl? I don’t believe it.

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