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NYR Team Metrics: No News is not Good News

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Since the last piece on the Rangers general team metrics, the team has gone 6-3 (Nov. 14th). This is interesting because as George's November scoring chance piece pointed out, it was a decent month; but when you look at the top-level team statistics (some of which reflect possession talent - a correlated driver of wins) the Rangers still don't seem to have it quite going. Here is the chart:

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Follow me after the jump for some quick thoughts, and even more of a data dump (OZQoC charts - aka how the Rangers are being used).

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You'll notice I've added what's called "Fenwick" since the last update - this is because it is now more readily available thanks to Gabe Desjardins over at behindthenet.ca. The easiest way to explain what the Fenwick number is to use Corsi, which was its oringal base:

Corsi # = shots on net, missed shots, and blocked shots (aka all shots taken)

Fenwick # = shots on net and missed shots (aka credits defense for blocking shots)

The Rangers are not doing well with Fenwick (or Corsi, for that matter) this season, meaning they're consistently getting outshot. This is not good because both numbers correlate well with future win percentage and in the end I worry because I trust these numbers to an extent - take what you want out of it in the end, though.

As for the rest of the chart, it hasn't really changed that much since Nov. 14th. The Rangers have scored more goals despite only a minor uptick in shots for, and that is because they're technically the best shooting team in the league as of 12/6 (Tuesday) at midday. While this sounds great, its not something to be very proud of, because shooting percentage fluctuates heavily and is more luck-based then you would like to think.

So that's that. Here's how the Ranger forwards are being used at 5v5 (see the previous article here if you need an explanation - click charts to enlarge):

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  • Brian Boyle is establishing himself as the next Blair Betts - do not let him walk too, Slats.
  • Carl Hagelin, at 23 years old, is playing the second hardest role on this team, with four points in six games. Well done so far.
  • Other than that, I do like how Torts is still managing to protect Derek Stepan while increasing his ice-time a bit. This allows him to do what he can/will do best: score.

And the Defense:

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Nothing shocking here, Ryan McDonagh is officially the #1 D-man, Girardi and Sauer are interchangeable in the top six, and Eminger/Woywitka get the left-overs - just as it all should be.

Again, if you guys like this stuff let me know. It's more of a data dump, but we'll be able to look back and see the changes over the season. Plus, once again, it's good to see the numbers agree with the eyes (or visa versa) as always.

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Is this from the beginning of the season or since the last update you posted? I ask because if it’s from the beginning of the season any uptick in shots is good. I’ve noticed the last 6 games or so that we have been putting up close to or over 30 shots per game, where as up until then we were scoring 4 goals on 20 shots. So if it’s from the beginning of the season the metrics would be skewed by the high shooting % and low shot count early on. If it’s from the last update on, well that’s a whole different story.

by Jwuer on Dec 7, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Entire season

Those ranks encompass the entire season, thats why I try to include the change in rank since the last update. As much as you’re correct in the start numbers skewing the overall picture (seeing as most have thought the Rangers have been better of late), the overall “uptick” I mention is still minimal (i.e 1 or 2 shots in SF/60 total).

As for the shooting % – they’ve been top 10 (more like top 5 though) all season. Maybe they can sustain it, we shall see, but in general I’d rather see the SF/60 get into league average range (or, like BOS and PHI, top 10 in both SF/60 and Shot%).

by Rob L on Dec 7, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I just fainted

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Though they haven’t budged obviously overall, their FenTied from the SJ game on was 50.5%, which is more than adequate (doesn’t count the last TOR game, haven’t run the update again).

Hagelin-Boyle-Mitchell have been possession monsters.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I know you’ve been keeping track game to game – so thats helps show that indeed everyone the Rangers have been better from 10/31/11. If they continue with a pace over 50, we should see the club start to rise in the Fenwick rank with future updates.

by Rob L on Dec 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Quick Q for George..

Do they break out Corsi/Fenwick for teams based on goal differential during time of the game.

I forget how they control for blowout factors.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe the other data spoke to it and I just skipped over it (TBH some of the metrics confuse me so I don’t even try sometimes), but maybe whats happening is that they are making sure the shots come from the outside and forcing the opponent into bad percentage plays that still end up as a shot on goal.

Can it also be possible that this team just plays better when they are getting outshot? Obviously you’ll tend to allow more SOG when you’re leading and its possible that for the most part they are not quality shots. My point being outshot doesn’t necessarily equate to outplayed (though I freely admit that there is a strong correlation between the two and your numbers go deeper than just SOG)

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe the other data spoke to it and I just skipped over it (TBH some of the metrics confuse me so I don’t even try sometimes), but maybe whats happening is that they are making sure the shots come from the outside and forcing the opponent into bad percentage plays that still end up as a shot on goal.

You didn’t miss it. I’m going to tackle that shortly (scoring chances versus total shots on goal). I’ll run the reports after about 30 games or so, so in the next week or two. I can tell you that they are a little more successful at keeping shots outside, but not anything significant.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Also:

Obviously you’ll tend to allow more SOG when you’re leading

That’s why the score tied measure is in there, to factor out the effect of leading/trailing. They’re no good there either.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then thank god we have arguably the best goalie in the game ;)

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 7, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff as always George;

The optimist in me was to see that they have been winning in spite of that and there is still room for improvement.

The best teams don’t always win. They have all bought into a system and team style and are playing like a team, not something made up of other teams spare parts. They adjust well and seem to respond to the coaches…all good signs for me that stats don’t pick up. As long as we don’t face a super fast team in the playoffs as we don’t match up against speed very well. Good thing about playoffs, more clutch and grab is allowed so it should be easier form them to slow them down.

Keep up the great work.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

This was Rob’s article, but thanks :-)

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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Shit. My bad. When I see stats I insistingly think of The Smurph.

Good article Rob!

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The risk is scoring (SHP) drops off at the same time as goaltending.

Think of last years losing streak, lots of near misses and Hank was off his game to the point where Biron played a few in a row. That same thing can/will happen again.

However, duration is the key. I would speculate that a team with Richards, healthy Gaborik and Stepan with another year of hair down there (not to mention healthy Cally/Dubi) would be better positioned to break out of a funk.

Over the course of the season this means we are not a 112 point team as record indicates, nor are we an 88 point team as early season indicated. I’d say its more 98-100. Somewhat intuitive if you think about it.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Dec 7, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yup

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by Moshe52792 on Dec 7, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff.

Aesthetically, you may want to restructure the graph so the x-axis meets the y-axis at the lowest value, in this case (-.25).

by NTB on Dec 7, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks guys

I really like these articles. I especially like seeing the competition that the guys usually play against. That’s a pretty awesome stat that hagelin is doing so well against the competition and situations he is being put in. He’s going to be a friggin stud.

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by Papa T on Dec 7, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Good to see advance stats getting more face time.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Huh?

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I fail at the internets.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It Happens

This happens year in-year out and people continue to ignore this. Go back and look at the 09/10 Avalanche and 10/11 Stars … both were hot all the way through December, when finally the house of cards caved in because over the course of the season the averages have a better chance of shining through with more of a sample size (aka 82 games).

by Rob L on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

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