The Rangers Should Consider Zherdev
Now that Marian Gaborik is likely to miss significant time with a concussion, the Rangers need to weigh their options for a top six winger to replace him. However, options are limited and prices are steep. Kris Versteeg, a second line winger at best, fetched a first and a third round pick from the Philadelphia Flyers. There are few ideal options on the market for the Rangers. Largely because they are going to need to balance their future when making a deal. They need help, but they can't afford to commit significant resources to a trade deadline acquisition.
Glen Sather will need to get creative.
Now that the Flyers have acquired Versteeg, Nikolai Zherdev has been a perpetual healthy scratch. We all know the story with Zherdev. Super talent, little to no consistency. But in limited ice time this year he has notched 15 goals and for all we now, he'll be so happy to be getting ice time that he'll manage to be an effective player down the stretch in the short time that he's needed.
The key to Zherdev is price. He is by no means an ideal option but with little use to the Flyers, he likely could be had at a nice discount. The Rangers and Flyers rarely, if ever do business. But it is certainly worth kicking the tires on him. Zherdev has proven to be an effective player at times in the past. The hope would be that the Rangers could catch lightning in a bottle.
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Uhhh..Why?
There is no way in heck that the Rangers go after Zherdev. Torts hates him and he hates Torts. He is a Jekyll and Hyde player, feast or famine. We’ve already seen him tank the second half of a season and play the Invisible Man in a playoff series. Why would we want to see that again? Why would we bring in a player who would be a negative influence in the locker room?
its all about price.
if they can get him for next to nothing. no harm, no foul. taking a chance that won’t have any adverse effect. he underperforms? stick him in press box. no big deal.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Please NO! We already have a talented player with good hands, who shows up half the time, is soft, and doesn’t play defense. Christensen.
by middletownbull on Feb 21, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’d pass on this as well. Rangers seem to be at this point just evaluating who is on the roster in terms of who will still be here in October. My guess at this point is that very little dealing is done, and that the Rangers will stick with the hand they were dealt. At this point, it is probably the smart move.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 21, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions
thats the likely scenario.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, and would add that I’d much rather see Grachev get another chance to experience the NHL level of play than pour worse money after bad on Zherdev 2: The Sequel.
I’d get more enjoyment out of using $100 bills to light cheap cigars than watching the penultimate frustration of Zherdev being a disappearing phantom….at least I can watch the $100 bill go up in a column of smoke.
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why dont we bring back kovalev and pruhca too and go backwards zherdev is what he his thats why he goes from team to team let it go people move forward
it comes down to this if sather is going to make a move
would you rather he drop MDZ for Ales Hemsky or give a 4th round pick for Zherdev?
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I’d rather trade MDZ for Penner, given Hemsky’s injury history. But that locks up cap space beyond this season, so that isnt a good move either. I would not trade a 7th round pick for Zherdev. Being that his is currently a Flyer, how do we not all despise him?
i dislike zherdev
but i see value in taking a look at him, low risk, high reward if things break the right way.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather give up MDZ to go get Stastny.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Now THAT would be a trade I’d be happy to talk about.
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by XxC17xX on Feb 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
While Zherdev would be intriguing
like john said the flyers and rangers never do business and probably don’t exchange christmas cards, so my feeling is that the flyers will realize how desperate the rangers might be and will blow the market up for a player like zherdev and ask for way too much. I’d rather look out west, or outside the division if sather wants to bring in outside scoring help. I say stand pat and maybe give Grachev a decent shot on the second or third lines just to see what he could do
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by Kevin Power on Feb 21, 2011 12:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Any Chance of Getting Liles From Colorado?
We need help on the Power play and this guy is in the prime of his career. He puts up solid assist numbers and he is doing awful right now in Colorado. A change of scenery might do him good. Colorado seems to be willing to hear offers. What do you think?
by middletownbull on Feb 21, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions
i think they're looking at Liles as a guy to pair Johnson with.
Who knows though, Sherman made some perplexing trades the past week.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I just checked with Cap Geek. Looks like he has a NMC. He make 4.2 and signed through next year. Maybe not the best situation for the Rangers.
by middletownbull on Feb 21, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
no f-ing way the rangers even consider bringing back zherdev..........
This Ranger squad is going nowhere anyway………no sense in giving up a pick for a dog like zherdev………..regardless of how low a pick it is…………..never shoulda traded tyutin.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions
i always liked him
one of the better “disappearers” in the league, could have turned into the russian dani briere…i remember voros and dubi liking the dude (some playstation talk?) and i don’t reacall any rangers players trash-talking about him so idk about his bad locker room influence.
we’ve also seen how torts can change his attitude towards players (avery). dealing for him for the right price is not a bad idea imo, but i’m one of the few Z supporters out there, so i guess that’s not an objective opinion, and most fans would vote against. he’s not a fan’s player (nor is he a coache’s player when i come to think of it)….
by #17ToTheRafters on Feb 21, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions
the guy is garbage n the fact that hes making 4.2 like bull just said is outlandish........
they can try giving him to us for nothing n i wouldnt do it…………
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You must have missed the last 30 games of the 08-09 season.
This POS did the ultimate turtle act, he wanted nothing to do with pressure/contact/playoff hockey and was invisible when it counted. At least Gabby puts up points consistently (if not goals). This turd has no place in this Rangers locker room. All he would be is a potential distraction to Torts, who needs to be focusing on getting more out of talented guys who will be here in the future (Wolski/Stepan/Zucc) and giving them more quality minutes. The only person benefiting from this would be MDZ, he’d get a bit of a reprieve from being Torts only whipping boy.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Feb 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
People making me happy!
For the first time i have seen good and inteligent coments from Ranger fans. John Merrigan actually use his brain for what it was made for. He has a idé and explains the why its good.
I agree on that if we can get Zherdev at a relative low cost its good. If he doesnt perform we could put him in the press box. Think that Hemsky or Penner will do more damage to our young roster players or farm..I would prefer Liles over McCabe, but the price is very important..

2-cents on bringing back Zherdev … thought I’d bring you back with some typical NY idiocy.
by bleed'n blue on Feb 22, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
We've got an Alex Kovalev available
He’s been playing well lately. Has a history of success in New York. Plus he could be had for a second-rounder, maybe even a third if you want to low-ball the Sens…
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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 21, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions
Kovalev has a history of success in NY?
Uhhhh when was that and where the hell was i?
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
1994?
IIRC, that was a pretty good year for Alex. He played on a line with a guy named, um, Mark Messier. Have you heard of him?
oh yeah right 1994, you mean almost 20 yrs ago?
well those stats r relevent, im talkin about him barely cracking 23 goals for the rangers but exploding for almost 45 in pitt. He peaked in 94 and was frustrating to watch n root for any other time………..
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is a Rangers Blog
Alex raised the cup in ‘94. Be respectful in saying you don’t want him at this juncture of his career. RESPECT a hero and others might respect you a little more.
by Blueshirts Rock on Feb 22, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, playoffs are most important for you guys at this point...
16G and 23A for 39P in 44GP during his time in the early nineties. Sure, the game has changed significantly since then, and so has Kovalev, but he’s still a player who can provide supporting offence if he’s motivated to do so.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 21, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
sandor are you kidding me?
The bum is making over 4mill a yr and you want to trade for him? And if he doesnt perform put him in the skybox jus to have $4m in dead $ laying around? Get off the sauce bro………..really.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Honestly
If we’re going after underachievers, I would try and trade for Setoguchi in SJ. He’s got 15 goals isn’t a horrible defensive player and is an RFA this upcoming year. At 1.8 million I would like a player that works harder then Zherdev.
Call me crazy...
But the rangers played well without Gaborik. Injuries to top guys gives hungry guys like Prust, Avery, Boyle, Zuke, Cally and Dubi more ice time. Weve said it before that Gaborik doesnt fit the hard nose dump and chase system and he has only scored in 10 games all year anyway. This season Gaborik himself was a hole in the lineup and I think the Rangers have the depth to survive without going crazy looking for a replacement.
I agree to a point
Our team did play well without him but lets be honest, We have yet to carry a 20 goal scorer by this point in the season…we are in need of help. Boyle is spotty, Avery has lost his scoring touch, as did Prust, Cally, Step, Zucc, and Dubi will have to carry the team. IMO we need one more scorer. At least a guy that can be a threat.
Tim Kennedy
Why does this kid never get called up? He puts up better numbers then Grachev, he has NHL experience, and seems to have a lot of hussle. Could he be the spark we need?
I’ve been under the impression he would get claimed by a number of teams (he has to go thru re-entry waivers). That was why some thought he should have stayed up from the beginning of the season. But this is all from memory…
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Feb 21, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One man's trash is another man's treasure
thing is he was our trash and isn’t exactly Philly’s treasure…more like their trash.
I don’t see the point. I mean lets put an APB out for Enver Lisin while we’re at it
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by middletownbull on Feb 21, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
See Phaneuf, Dion
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by Kevin Power on Feb 21, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
enver lisin isnt anywhere near the same comparison
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
enver lisin isnt anywhere near the same comparison
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone
please stop mentioning Kovalev, for some reason him coming back to the Blueshirts looks more and more eminent by the day. Maybe if we stop talking about him we wont be crying when he plays and doesn’t perform like he used to. 53 games 14 goals 27 points = 2010 Chris Drury.
There should be reason for everything
And there was a reason why Zherdev was invisible at the end of 08-09.
Most of you probably don’t know but the guy is an alcoholic at his young age.
He was staying in the same building with Kalinin and they were drinking buddies.
Plus genious Sather added another alcoholic Antropov at the deadline and guess where he was staying? Of course with Zherdev whose Ukranian girlfriend had moved out by that time.
Now put together all these factors and you’ll get a reason why he was so horrible at the end of the season.
Buttom line, get Zherdev and keep him away from Anisimov and Grachev:))
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No, No and thousand times, NO!!!!
Forget the fact that Zherdev’s 1) already demonstrated significant inconsistencies when he was in NY the first time 2) basically a “poor-man’s Kovalev” 3) relationship with our current coach is a question mark 4) salary vs. play would certainly be an inequtiable return on investment …generally speaking, the bottom line is all of this talk about us now suddenly needing a “top six forward” to replace Gaborik SCREAMS of deperation and short-sightedness. Much as I hate to type it, Gaborik has marginally, at best, been performing as a top six forward this season, so why are we now suddenly bantering about the burning need for someone of this caliber – which Zherdev clealry is not, even on a good day??
Either this team’s “identity” is based on a a “grind-it-out”, “built for the future”, “not-individual-based” team concept or not. Period. If not for the recent skid of losses that’s made our play-off bid a question mark, would we still be panicking like this while sitting comfortably in 5th or 6th place? I don’t think so..or at least I hope not…To hear Tortorella express such panic after yesterday’s loss is yet another example of his inability to truly and accurately see the “big picture” when it comes to the organizaion. For someone who won’t even comment on something as basic as an individual player’s performance right after a game for fear of being over-reactionary, where does he get off speaking about personnel needs w/o at least sleeping on it or waiting to hear more about Gaborik’s concussion?? Very hypocritical…
The whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers! I’m sorry, Mr Sather, that there’s now a chance some of that tantalizing play-off revenue may not be available to pay for “loyal?? minor-leaguer” Wade Redden’s disgusting salary while he contemplates his future European career, but either put up or shut up about the whole “buliding-from within” BS. Like many fans have posted on this blog, given the progress the organziation has made in several key areas (youth, leadership, cap-reduction, etc.), this season would likely already be considered a “success” if it ended today – sans play-offs. So, I ask you, why should that opinion and our personnel plans change now?…
im against zherdev, i don’t think he fits the current system, and i don’t wanna give up anything to get him, especially if it takes away from the future
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 21, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions
thats the whole reason to consider him
he wont take away from the future.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
hey John not to be rude but your out of your mind..........w what little cap space we have
and w the retarded contracts we have already w redden n drury you want to add another one?………..your article here got way too much attention, it shoulda been over 50 comments ago.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
people like to talk.
its that time of the year and for the moment drury’s contract isn’t a concern. they have plenty of cap space to operate at the deadline.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
i know people like to talk but my point is that taking on zherdev at 4.2m thru next year
is crazy!! That thinking is like the same old rangers! keep throwing away $. Has that ever been a good thing for the Rangers? Has anything positive come out of thinking like that…………….EVER? No it has not and to even bring that up is ridiculous imo. Hes on the shelf in Philly, what makes you think he can cut it a 2nd time around here? He is the antithesis of everything these current rangers are trying to be. Oh and if he doesnt work out jus put him up in the box as a scratch evrey night……………..yeah, good logic.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
zherdev is a free agent after this season and currently has a cap hit of 2 million. his cap hit at this point is negligible
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just needed to be coached
I think Zherdev just needed to be coached, and Torts came in with a very clear image of the team that didn’t include anyone not willing to suffer his tirades and fit his mold. He gets on guys like that. Remember that game Boyle (one of our most productive players this season) was literally getting punched in the shoulders by the guy as he ranted at him? Or when he gets on a 20 year old Del Zotto’s case mid-game (true, someone should talk to him, maybe send him down again, but not in the middle of a game when he needs every scrap of confidence he can get).
After Torts lost us the series against Washington, there was another player that didn’t fit the concept that he let go, too. Betts. And they acquired freaking Brashear! The guy who broke his collarbone. Now Betts is one of the top penalty killers in the league and leads teams in short-handed goals. But he didn’t fit Tort’s concept, either.
I am so down for taking a chance on zherdev
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I am so down for taking a chance on zherdev
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Collective Sigh that Sather did not pick him up.
regardless of your opinion of him some of you guys are being irrational.
you would trade a 7th round pick for him? really? really?
well good thing ur not GM. im not saying go trade for him, but if he could be had for a 4th round pic, why not?
it cant hurt
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It wouldn't hurt necessarily
But if Zherdev isn’t getting any run in Philly because his defensive play has been subpar, I don’t see him contributing on the Rangers.
I liked Zherdev when Renney ran the team, but with the way that the team plays under Tortorella, I don’t see it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
if defense was our problem … wonder what our giveaways/unforced turnovers have been like (statistically) since rozi left. Subjectively, it seems we’ve been better defensively, with more JAM.
by bleed'n blue on Feb 22, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody tracks ‘unforced turnovers’…for credited giveaways though:
43 games – 225 giveaways before the trade (5.232 per game)
18 games – 81 after the trade (4.5 per game)
28.39 SOGF, 30.05 SOGA per game before the trade
32.39 SOGF, 28.44 SOGA per game after the trade
But keep in mind that teams that are constantly trailing like the Rangers have been post-trade will tend to outshoot their opponents.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 22, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Well
Those numbers don’t necessarily mean we don’t miss him. As George said, teams that are losing tend to outshoot their opponents. So the swing in shots for versus against isn’t necessarily as great as it sounds. It corroborates neatly the amount of time the team has spent trailing opponents after the trade.
This is no accounting for JAM, though. It’s well known among spaghetti monsters and statisticians alike that the only skaters who can produce JAM are North American
tell that to Sundin and Forsberg – but I hear you on the stereotype.
I’ll take the almost 1 less giveaway/game and the couple extra shots to not have to watch the apathy when Hank gets run.
by bleed'n blue on Feb 22, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Off Topic
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
DAL trades James Neal and Matt Niskanen to PIT for Alex Goligoski.
how much is goligoski’s contract? about 2 mil, final year? adal will need at least $4m to resign him as a UFA.
and regardless of goligoski’s value, both neal and niskanen are heading onto contract years.
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by #17ToTheRafters on Feb 22, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
We need goals to compete
Z can give us those in bundles. If he pulls another disappearing act, so be it. We’ve got a team full of guys who disappear. He’ll just be another name on the list. Z isn’t a long term solution to our scoring problem, but he’s one of the best quick fixes I’ve heard mentioned in a while. If Zherdev and Dubi can show some of the chemistry they had the first time around, maybe we can get in, and even sneak by someone. If it doesn’t work, atleast we tried. It comes down to Torts though. The Torts way hasn’t gotten us there so far. He’s gotta do what’s best for the team, and put his ego aside.
hello everyone my name is Anthony i have a few thoughts about this season and next season
by Anthony Tamburro on Feb 21, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions
ill start with recent news a big NO! to zherdev, trades THIS year, but next year is the year we start moving foward or at least try to. i say IF we dont get Richards n the offseason, i say we go the same line-up as its been minus prospal. we need all the cap space we can get ive been reading this site since hossa became a free agent after reading for a good time now i figuered it was time to submit my thoughts. so here goes as i said already i hear a lot of people are interested n Penner i am too cuz if we can trade for him NEXT year baring any injury nd IF Redden voids his contract which i saw on snyrangersblog i think we can squeeze him in cuz i mean he is younger than richards and NEXT year he won’t cost us that much cuz of the last year of contract and if we can hang on to that extra 2nd rd pick we have a shot, although it may take a little more. if drury can pull a naslund we will b so much closer than the 3-5 yr span i saw on an post it would b 2-3 yrs. w/o drury we would have richards n w/o redden 3.5 n prospal we have penner w/o giving up great core players n assets minor very minor changes so i say we try that course cuz this year doesnt have a pool of great free agents but next year its pretty good i believe, ive been looking on cap geek which also includes sharp? but we will see
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w/o-christensen (possibly to EDM) which would b more money saved at the end of that year so patience can b huge n w/o moves this year n this off season
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again. antropov is not a comparison to zherdev.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would much rather fall out of the running.......
………and miss the playoffs than see Nik Zherdev ever don a Ranger jersey again.
rational.
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by John Merrigan on Feb 21, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
At least Rangers fans are keeping things in perspective, lol. Good lord guys.
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by Kevin Power on Feb 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In other news, Whale win again. 2-1 Grachev nets his 14th and Redden ripped the game winner in OT.
They’ve been on a solid winning streak since Newbury/Dupont/Weise have been back. Looking at stat sheets and highlights its tough to tell how Grachev is progressing, but he looks hot/cold with 5 shots one night followed by nothing the next. Still only 20, so he’s still got some time on his side. Hopefully they make the playoffs, should be good for his development.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Feb 22, 2011 7:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No thanks
Zherdez doesnt make us a cup contender so I pass on him. He has proven his lack of effort time and again. I would not want him infecting this young team. I’d take missing the playoffs this year if we can get younger talent by trading away Prospal, Christensen, Avery &/or Emminger. Some contender might think some combination of those guys could put them over the top. They dont put us over the top so trade em high.
"Shoot the Puck Barry, Shoot the puck !" Bill Chadwick
by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions
Just asking.....
What about M. Ribiero. I don’t have time to llook up his contract right now, but he is decent. Last 10 goals came when Dallas was either down by one or tied. I know he is 31 but what is the upside / downside. Especially since we had talks with Dallas.
Sorry, spellin—Ribeiro and he has 2 years left @ 5 mil per year. Oh well.
by nathansfamous on Feb 22, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions



























