Player safety: bull by the horns, or just bull....
The NHL/Gary Bettman today announced a 5-step 'program' to deal with the serious issue of concussions and overall player safety. I won't go through the laundry list, since it's practically the only thing being talked about today in the hockey universe, with the possible exception of the fact that Cindy returned to the ice and then held court approving any option that would eliminate headshots. As expected certain bloggers and Twitter users waited with baited breath for him to condemn slew-footing - and they're still waiting......
But I digress.
The link to the NHL press release is here: Bettman presents 5-point plan to reduce concussions
Now, to me, this is just more politically correct..... (more after the jump)
....bovine post-digestive material. Typical political speak for "we don't want to make a decision that might upset anyone, so we'll study it some more, then review the studies and recommend another study period with a 'core working group'....blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
Are you kidding me ?
If you want to actually DO something - the solution is drop-dead (no pun intended) simple.
Remove the first one or two rows of seats around the entire rink. Get rid of the idiotic "between the benches phone-booth" and make Pierre McGuire sit in the press box like every other journalist - or let him stand in the Zamboni gate.
Leave the boards where they are.
Move the glass - plexiglass or solid/seamless tempered glass - it doesn't matter - BACK 2 rows. (There has to be something to protect the poor spectators from that nasty hard-rubber puck).
Fill the space between the boards and the net with (fill in your choice of soft, cushion-y material). Pillows. Foam. Packing peanuts. Rubber balls. Hell, I don't care - if you can find 'em, fill it with Tribbles.
Simple beyond words. No more nasty turnbuckles for poor little hockey players to bash their skulls on. Tumble over the boards (or get blown out by a check over them) - just stay there and take a nice leisurely nap.
And the number one reason why this would NEVER be considered (even without the dripping sarcasm) - it removes 100 or so of the most expensive seats from every arena - so it directly impacts revenue.
Oh well - at least it was a concrete (oops....no concrete!!! Too hard) suggestion...
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here's my suggestion
international sized rinks…its been proven that there are less concussions and similar type hits in the euro leagues but the old canadian stooges that run the league still drop a wad any the very thought of mentioning the words “european” or “change”
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
yeah but than the rangers wouldn’t be able to grind as much, resulting in less JAM.
torts does not approve.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
instead of grinding it out and jamming it up
the rangers could open up their game and actually use their skill players more effectively
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
you mean..
the rangers could open up their game and actually use their skill PLAYERS more effective
:)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yep…thanks for the correction
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
we'd look like this...
Mats Zuccarello - Icing goalies' groins since 2010
In Prust we Trust - "It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 14, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ill trade that
for this

"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
But what you'd actually be getting is this:
Notice that large gap? That’s a whole heap of nothing.
"Mes que un club"
-Ahmad Bradshaw is undoubtedly a psychic genius.
by Scratch and Snif on Mar 14, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Yea technically it’s full of dark matter
by teknics on Mar 14, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d say it is at least half something.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
No thanks, international sized ice just means less hitting and more trapping.
Too much space means teams won’t forecheck, they will just sit back and let the attacking team come to them. Good bye to cycles, pinching and odd man rushes … all the things that we love about hockey.
i think the ice size would increase fore checking as well as the speed would be amped up…slower defensive teams wont be able catch up and would be forced out of the trap style of play
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
You can’t forecheck without D men taking occasional risks, pinching. If you make the ice surface larger defensemen are forced to play more conservatively since they have more space to defend. Why would a team attack the puck knowing their pushing forward is opening even more space behind them than it does now?
What you end up with is the team without the puck doing nothing more than skating back in circles to defend the neutral zone.
The rink size is not the issue. Players are too big and hit with much more force than they did twenty years ago. The increased size has not slowed players down as they skate too well these days. Strip down upper body equipment, other than helmets, and you will see concussions decline. Shoulder and elbow injuries will go up, but those tend to heal.
What you end up with is the team without the puck doing nothing more than skating back in circles to defend the neutral zone.
I think that if the league increases the width of rinks by 5ft…to make it 200×90 it wouldn’t be as much of an impact and it would change the way defense is played, but not to that point where teams clog the neutral zone, that’s what they do now. Instead it would open up more room on the wings and the defending team would have to play the puck more and be more concerned about their positioning in passing and shooting lanes than they would the body which would cut down (at least i think so) on hits like the Max Paciorety hit
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Exactly, you would have teams worrying so much about sitting back and clogging lanes that there would be little contact of any kind. Wing to wing hockey is not that all that exciting, North-South hockey is what makes the NHL great.
The hit on Pacioretty, while sad, is not something that happens that often. I don’t see the point of turning NHL Hockey into Euro league hockey just because one player’s neck broke when he collided with a much larger player and an immovable object.
It will never happen because of the cost of adjusting certain arenas to accommodate the larger playing surface but I think you raise a good point.
It would drastically change the game, it would very likely be the death of “North American Hockey” and the end of a certain kind of player: Brandon Prust comes to mind.
The International game and its rules (see the no-touch icing rule) are much more hospitable to a player’s health. There is much less contact and much more playing surface to reduce accidental collisions.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
i agree that it wont happen
on the “Prust Point” i think that if you give him ice time on a larger surface you would see more of his offensive talents (which he does have) and I’m not saying go totally european, maybe expand ice to 90ft across (it’s 85 now)…those extra five feet i feel would open the game a lot more than it is now while keeping most of the physicality in the game
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
More of a hybrid playing surface then? Something between NHL standard and Int’l standard rink size? Interesting idea but again, to break that much from tradition will be like flying a lead kite. To hockey purists and diehards it will be like… well it will be like Canada without Tim Horton’s.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
exactly…those frozen blowhards have their heads so far up their asses that go further up every time some one mentions change and innovation
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Similar to the resistance to adopt or embrace new technology to protect players (see my mini-lecture below regarding M 11 helmet).
Very happy to see young players on teams like Anaheim are wearing the M 11. I think there are 5 guys or something like that wearing the helmet on that team. I also read somewhere that Burke ordered trial M 11 helmets for the Marlies.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
more people need to use those helmets…maybe have Crosby wear it next season and that would get more the players to wear them and maybe have the NHL mandate them
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
If Mueller ever comes back (and I really hope that he does) I expect he will be wearing one. I would really like for Crosby or a superstar to wear one, it would send a great message to kids and other NHL players.
If M 11 reads this they should cut me a check, look at all the fucking promotion I am giving them.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
http://twitter.com/#!/MessierProject
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
by Kevin Power on Mar 14, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well – so much for my “2nd in the series” that I was going to do tomorrow.
It was going to be on the M11…..
no way…people need to know more about those helmets and all of the advances they have made hopefully some NHL yahoo picks up on it and then we could say that we started a revolution in helmet wearingness
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Number two reason is you’d be digging the puck out of the pillows every 2 minutes.
Does he call it Luongo underwear?
Co-Manager at Behind the Net
by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 14, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
pcksRchp
In the days before the beloved “netting” behind the goals, dozens of pucks per game became souvenirs.
You don’t bother digging the pucks out of the pillows – you get a new puck from the bench/scorer’s table.
or
you have scantly clad ice girls fight over the puck for the amusement of the fans
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
depends on the team…match the jello color to the team colors
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Remove the first one or two rows of seats around the entire rink. Get rid of the idiotic “between the benches phone-booth” and make Pierre McGuire sit in the press box like every other journalist – or let him stand in the Zamboni gate.
Better yet db, move Pierre McGuire under a big, heavy boulder that we don’t check under for a year or three. He can live off of bugs, moss, and his own urine (I’ve seen Bear Grylls drink his own to survive) for awhile.
My serious take on the issue:
What I would like to see is more people embracing the Messier Project, fans not kidding themselves with the thought that concussions can be removed completely, and above all for players to respect one another and avoid dangerous plays. I hear the phrase a lot in the hockey world, “where has the respect gone for fellow players?” I am not sure if there is less (or more) of it than there was ten or twenty years ago but there is no denying that the game is faster, the players are bigger and stronger, and the impacts that occur are all the more violent because of it.
We will never see professional ice hockey without concussions, it is a viciously fast contact sport played on a thin layer of artificial ice covered in concrete encased in metal, plastic, and plexiglass.
Those are my two cents. Hope you guys take a minute to read them.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
id say thats more of a 1.05
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
That leaves me with an extra $1.03… just enough to buy nothing!
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
pack of gum? Drury’s self respect?
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
hot oil slice?
Mats Zuccarello - Icing goalies' groins since 2010
In Prust we Trust - "It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 15, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Was tedious to look it up, couldn't find a list anywhere
To expand on my thoughts:
Some players wearing M 11 helmet:
Cam Fowler, Andy McDonald, Brent Burns, Matt Bradley, Stephane Veilleux, Luca Sbisa…
Avery wore one for a short period of time.
A lot of guys who have had concussion-like injuries switched over to the M 11, one of the most heartbreaking stories of the year is that Peter Mueller of Colorado was being fitted for an M 11 helmet and having it made for him the game he suffered another concussion that ended his season before it got started this year.
Players, no matter how tough or invincible they think they are, should embrace new developments in technology to protect themselves and others on the playing surface.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
now that
is more like 20.46
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Glad to be back on the Banter and posting.
The trend of young players wearing the M 11, including guys like Cam Fowler is a very good example to set for young kids playing hockey.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
glad to have you back buddy
good to see you back for tomorrow’s game against the fishsticks
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
As I said above – you pre-empted my “Day 2, 2nd in the series” that I was going to write for tomorrow.
Oh well…. :-D
The M11 would help with guys getting laid out and cracking their heads on the ice – in a fair number of cases (if you saw the stats today) – about 44% of the concussions occur on ‘legal hits’ – and several of the ones shown as video evidence were not from the hit – but from the player’s head hitting the ice as they went down – a whiplash effect.
Moving the glass back is one step, the M11 (or equivalents from other manufacturers) would be a second. There are others – but that will be in another fanpost….
Another aspect to the story, not sure if were headed down this road or not, is the reliability of mouthguards protecting players from concussions. I have heard that there is no evidence to support that they prevent concussions, though many players believe they help prevent them. There was an article I read that had a few quotes from Jamie Lundmark, of all people, in it regarding the myth of mouthguards preventing concussions.
What I am getting at is the attitude of invincibility some professional athletes have, they put themselves and others in very vulnerable and dangerous positions because they think it can’t happen to them. It is time for players to be educated, better-equipped, and prepared for concussions and how they can impact their lives and playing careers. Some guys, like Willie Mitchell of the Kings, have stepped up big in awareness. He has donated his brain to science so that science can better study the effects of concussions on professional athletes. I can only hope that more players take their health (and other players’ health) seriously.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
Here's my take:
I believe that Chara should have gotten a suspension because he intentionally guided Pacioretty into that stanchion. Did he mean to break the guy’s fourth cervical vertibrae? I don’t think so. But the intent to smash him into a large immovable object was unmistakeable.
If the NHL would just punish these people accordingly, then there wouldn’t be a problem. Chara is not a dirty player, so this would be one ten game suspension and that’s it.
We can count on one hand the amount of players in this league who are so dangerous and disrespectful that they should be removed. They are the only problems.
The rest of the concussions incurred are a result of twelve 200+ lb men skating 15-20 mph over a surface as hard as concrete surrounded by walls equally as unforgiving, trying in many cases to hit each other. Its part of the game and if they continue to punish the Matt Cooke-type guy who throws sneaky elbows into guys’ faces and destroys their career, they’ll be okay.
I actually like this. Study it and find out more info. They will make changes before next season. They’re going to fix the equipment problem and they’re definitely going to remove the stanchions(not every arena has them)..
Look, concussion problems are 10 million times worse in the NFL/Football and they don’t care. They do nothing about it. Fact is most NFL/football players die before the age of 60(average lie for a football player is 55) because of head injuries/problems caused from all the head contact. Hockey players have a normal life expectancy. The NHL is at least trying to do something about it.
1) The new equipment is a huge problem(it really is). Fix that. (1 of the 5 steps)
2) Remove the stanchions(they are useless). (Definitely going to happen)
3) Get rid of assholes like Cooke and Gillies who don’t care about their peers. They’re useless anyway.
4) Come up with a fair rule and fair suspension policy. Players will know that they’re going to get suspended and they’ll know exactly what will get them suspended. Make it like the steroid policy in the crappy sport of baseball. Where the suspension automatically gets worse for each offense. No question about it. Have a set amount of games for suspensions for each offense. This would be a huge help for stopping all this goonery(?)..
twitter.com/NYRangers365
I agree that equipment needs to be changed
I like the hard pads for the protection of the man wearing them but they are armor and armor can be used as a weapon. they need to be redesigned drastically. There are very good shock absorption materials that have been developed recently. Id like to see gloves and shoulder pads, knee pads, elbow pads to have a thin hard layer of Carbon Fiber light and solid to prevent injury for the player wearing them, with a thin layer of shock absorption material outside of the hard plate and maybe a softer foam layer on top of the shock absorption layer.
This way the pads will have the benefit of the hard pads (I wish gloves could have a few padded hard spots so the broken hands dont keep happening) then they have a shock absorber in them to remove some of the energy in contact with a foam layer to act as normal padding. Would seem to remove some injuries from hitting and blocking shots.
Your reference to Tribbles exposes you're Trekkiness
Busted.
(and so am I for catching it :/ )
love the humerous rants, but ...
IMO, there are two sides to what Messier suggested; first the players need to respect each other, something Messier didn’t exactly do many times in his career, but second, players need to understand how to protect themselves. I do not mean fighting, I mean players have to understand how NOT to put themselves in potentially dangerous places or positions during the course of the game. One of the things that stands out to me between our current game and the ’70’s ’80’s game is players use the rules and boards to “shield the puck” from opposing forecheckers or defenseman. The opposing player is left will little choice; either he takes the body (and potential boarding penatly), or backs off and gives up pressing for the puck. Neither exactly good for the game. Jagr did this best, but he was big and strong enough to absorb the hit and maintain control of the puck. Many players now don’t have that physical ability or skill, putting them in rather precarious positions to get creamed. This tells me players today are employing the construct of the rules with a disregard for their safety, in order to obtain a competative advantage. This also encourages play along the boards, slowing the game. So here’s my suggestion – penalize the puck posession player for turning his back on an opposing player while standing 4-5 feet away from the boards. Do this by painting a line around the rink 4-5 feet away from the boards, and penalize a player for turning his back on an opposing player within that region. Either make the penatly 2 mins or just a faceoff outside the zone, but get the players to play out of that dangerous area. There is more to look at here, and I know this solution isn’t the burning bush, but I think it needs to be looked at.
Here's the skinny of it
Everytime the NHL gets tough on an issue, they fail to follow through. When they have a chance to make an example out of a player who continues to practice the banned behavior du jour, they fail to do so. Until the NHL is serious about protecting its talent, nothing will change. I don’t want a watered down game, I don’t want a European game. I like what we have now, maybe get rid of that ridiculous trapezoid behind the net.
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.

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