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Artem Anisimov is the number one center of the future....


Right before the trade deadline I noticed a handful of posters willing to dangle Artem Anisimov in a trade for Brad Richards or even Paul Stastny (which was never going to happen). 

I am going to offer my opinion here that AA for Richards would have been disastrous, even without considering the signing of Richards for nothing but money in the summer. 

If and when we bring Brad Richards to the Rangers, it will bury AA behind both B.R. and Derek Stepan

When you watch AA, who is 22 years old, you have to believe that if you give him ice time and responsibility this kid is going to absolutely dominate.  He's got all the tools, and this year he's finally beginning to get consistent.  We gave Dubinsky and Callahan a few years to establish themselves; I think AA deserves the same thing.

He's got hands man.....HANDS.......and he's starting to drive the net and showcase it.  You sign Richards you either retard or halt his development; or maybe you shift him to the wing.

This post is really my own cautionary tale for Glen Sather; the Rangers may not need to sign Richards so badly because next season I think AA is going to be even better.  He's got 16 goals at this point now; I would take a bet that at this point next season that's 25-30.  Is Brad Richards going to do better than that? 

Now I understand if you're going deep in the playoffs you want a guy whose been there/done that, but I don't want even Brad Richards if it effs up AA's development.

 

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Would've definitely traded him for Stastny...

But you are right, he’s built and has hands, a dangerous combo. I’ll disagree with you that signing Richards would ruin him. Look around this league and all the contenders are 3 lines deep of serious world-class players.
3rd line: Wolski-AA-Krieder (if he’s ready next yr)
4th line: Boyle-Prust-Avery (if they’re all back)
That’s a bottom 6 on a winning team.

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by Kendrick Jay on Mar 7, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Kreider

Doesn’t he play LW? And where’s Cally in this lineup?

by Hoggo on Mar 7, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski- Stepan- Zuccarello

I would keep the current 3rd line as the number 3 next year, whether Richards comes or not

Wolski- Stepan- Zuccarello

by Hoggo on Mar 7, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

those would seem to just be the bottom 6…so cally is obv in one of the top 2 lines.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So where’s Zuccarello?

by Hoggo on Mar 14, 2011 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

There only a handful of teams that are three lines deep, and fewer still that go 4 deep. If those guys are out bottom 6 on the third and 4th line, we have a distinct advantage over most teams in the league. Richards give us the true #1 center we haven’t had since #11. So what if AA plays the 3rd line for a few more seasons? Think of how his overall game will develop playing behind Richards. And I think he would be the #2 guy anyway and Stepan would play onthe third line. Either way, it’s exactly the problem we want to have moving forward.

by BeukeBOOM! on Mar 7, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think AA will be a 25-30 goal scorer, but he is not as good of as passer as Brad Richards.

by MattPwrcf1 on Mar 7, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

My problem with AA is he doesn’t shoot enough.

All to often he gets close to the net and fails to get a shot off.

Seasoning should correct that and make him a perennial 30 goal guy.

Stepan should become the #1 center, in terms of setting others up. AA will be the #1 in terms of goal scoring. Hopefully Boyle can continue close to his breakout year in the future. That makes a pretty deep team I think, without the big name FA

by GAThingy on Mar 7, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

If he works on his snapshot

He’ll instantly be better. Anytime he wants to shoot, he does a little drag-back with his head down that gives the defenders an extra second to clean him up. If he gets a quick, accurate snapshot, and improves his balance to really utilize the 6’4 frame he has, we’ll be looking at an impressive number 1 center.

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 7, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not about to advocate for Richards… but, if we find the right #1 center for next year, what’s the problem with having AA as a great #3 center? It’ll force Torts to use all four lines, and will give us 4 lines that can be dangerous.
4 centers being: Be Rich, Stepan, AA, Boyle, is pretty great… that’s deep.

AA is not ready for first line center duties next year – neither is Stepan. But I’m also glad we didn’t have to give AA up for Richards at the deadline.

by j-red on Mar 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Do you really want to wave off Stepan already?

Only a handful of people here would have expected him to make the team FROM camp AND excel. He’s got drive and talent, I would not caught with less then skyscraping expectations of him.

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 7, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean by “wave off”?
All I said was that he will not be ready for first line center duties next year – and I stand by that statement.
I’m a huge Step fan, but I don’t think he can go up against other teams top lines and outscore them consistently – that’s not even considering his horrendous face-off “skills”. He’s gonna be great, but he’s got a ways to go before he’s a true #1 center.

by j-red on Mar 7, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

probably means “write off”…?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

indeed

Gracias

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 8, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's where i disagree with you

Crosby was terrible on the dot too, but he worked on it for a few weeks and is in the 50s now in terms of faceoff percentage. Step can prolly do that to.

I doubt he could outscore them consistently, but he could definitely match up with the league’s 1st line centers by next year.

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 8, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

agree to disagree...

I don’t think he’ll be ready by next year… is it possible? sure. anything is.
should we bank on that and expect to be contenders? hell no.

by j-red on Mar 8, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

With everything, with Boyle, Stephan, and AA you have a center combo that will be VERY hard to deal with in the hopefully very near future. Now i would bring Richards on but only for the help he can provide them as far as development goes.

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by ReverseLife on Mar 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

If Stepan cant improve on faceoofs they might move him to wing…

by MattPwrcf1 on Mar 7, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

See Malkin and Cogliano.

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by red army line on Mar 7, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If you bring in Richards all that would happen(assuming nothing else changes) would be

Prospal Richards Gaborik
Wolski Stepan Zuccarello
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Fedotenko Boyle Prust

You basically have a top line, two number 2 lines, and a third line. Torts would easily be able to roll all four lines and everyone will get a bunch of ice time, there is no reason to suggest that getting Richards throws Anisimov’s development off. But yes I do agree with you that getting rid of AA would be a disaster and that AA will become a great center to come.

by CrazyRangerFan on Mar 7, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Vinny is back next year and I’m guessing Feds will be gone.

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Wolski-AA-Cally
Stepan-Boyle-Zuccarello
Avery-(center)-Prust

Personally, I would rather have Avery with Richards and Gaborik since Gabby plays his best when on a line with Avery(only player Gabby has had chemistry with this season). Also Richards and Avery became very good friends in Dallas. Avery has also been one of our best playmakers all season but Torts hates him so he gets no ice time…

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by NYRangerFan718 on Mar 7, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Kreider!! – Richards – Gaborik
Pack Line
Wolski – Stepan – Zucc
Avery – Boyle – Prust

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Avery gets no love on this site. The guy can skate, cycle, and pass. He’s the only guy that Gabby has clicked with all season and he is friends with Richards. He adds grit and skill to the top line. Keep Boyle and Prust together on the 4th line with a guy like Feds. Keep Wolski-Step-Zucc together.Keep the Pack line as the #2. Fit Kreiderin someplace if he turns pro. Sign Richards. Christmas in July will be extra special if Drury retires and Redden voids his deal. Then we free up the cash to resign all of the RFAs and add Richards and a Defenseman. Then we watch a deep playoff next season and start Thinking about the Cup for the next few seasons.

by BeukeBOOM! on Mar 7, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this Kreiderin guy sounds good….where’d he come from?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly

I may be in the far minority when I say this, but I could really picture next seasons’ lines as:

Gabby – Boyle – Frolov
Cally – AA – Dubi
Wolski – Step – Zuc
Avery – Drury – Prust

Staal – Girardi
Sauer – McD
Del Zotto/Golroy/Val/McI rotation based on who can consistently play.

With Christensen and Wolf Packers popping in and out of Avery’s spot. I see Frolov signing for a 1 year deal. This creates an enormous amount of cap space the following off season. I see us dealing at least 1 of these young D’men (and more) either during the season, and signing a big time free agent to have a top flight winger and center. Either the FA signing or trade will have a relatively short contract to hold the job until Kreider is ready.

I think this is a pretty realistic and non-expensive way to really see what we have for another season before going all in with another UFA big contract. If Sather can be patient for one more off season, I’d be amazed though.

by bleed'n blue on Mar 9, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea of signing a winger for the top line, I just don’t think frolov is the guy. I’d rather see prospal sign for a year in that spot or someone not named Frolov at least.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not enamoured by Frolov either, but I think he’d be a cheap stop gap until we either acquire someone better through trade/UFA, or hold on until Kreider is ready. Is Kreider turning pro after this collegiate season? Who knows. To me, Prospal’s tank is running out, but I guess I’d be OK with him as the cover based on history and “perceived” chemistry with Gabby.

by bleed'n blue on Mar 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What I like about vinny is his vision on the ice. Frolov is too much of a shoot to play with gabby; especially if the rangers don’t sign a center. The more passers with good shots playing with gabby the more chances that line will have to get him going and potentially dominate. Also prospal is good at carrying the puck in the neutral zone which helps gabby get open in transition. Too many times this year, I’ve seen gabby ragging the puck into the zone – killing his chance to sneak behind anybody and score.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Gabby’s not a mailman; I think that’s the wrong way to use him as well. Also agree that a Neilander-type (although I would prefer a more north-south version) would be a better fit for Gabby. Also, I’d look for someone that doesn’t mind, or ever prefers, the corners and high traffic areas (might be why Avery has meshed at times). Gabby needs time and space to sneak and shoot, much the same as Briere- although I think Gabby is more defensively responsible. Basically I agree with you, but I don’t think Prospal is the best we could do. He may, however, be our best option for now.

by bleed'n blue on Mar 9, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, how I see it. =)

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 9, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah this is the craziest ish I have seen. You’re out of your mind if you think that either Frolov or Drury will be in Rangers blue next year. Even if we don’t go for Richards.

by BigB22 on Mar 9, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

we need a stop gap until Kreider is ready, gut any other cheap ideas? wanna bet drury will be a ranger next year?

by bleed'n blue on Mar 9, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What, Kreider is being groomed to be a 4th line “situational” center? I don’t see the two being related.

by BigB22 on Mar 11, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

so you don’t like Drury, neither do I, nor his contract. Buying him out is a cap hit, waiving him (because no one will pick him up) is a cap hit. Having the money now to go out and get a winger and center is too expensive. Christensen is also a center, but is cheaper to get rid of than Drury. Prospal looks like he’s ready to get a free round of cheese and AARP card. Frolov would be a cheap winger that may be motivated to still be a pro. Kreider will take that wing position eventually (hopefully after next season). Once Drury is off the books after next season we can go out and look for either a trade for a top flight center of look for an UFA (although there doesn’t appear to be any more really good ones available in 2012). That’s my suggested plan. I’m not thrilled with Drury or Frolov, but given the choices, I’d rather wait another season before breaking the bank back to a cap limit by signing an over 30, potential concussion case. But hey, if you want Kreider to play 4th line while taking a chance on another Bure, Jagr, Gretzky, Dionne, Holik, Gomez, Lindros, or Naslund we’ll just disagree. My bet still stands either way – Drury will most likely be a Ranger next season.

by bleed'n blue on Mar 11, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Recchi

is UFA this summer. I saw the Bruins – Islanders game yesterday and the man can still skate and grind the corners. What do you think about Recchi-Prospal/EC-Gabby?

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 12, 2011 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe for a short term, although I doubt he would accept it. How much “JAM” do you think he’s got left in the tank? When he was younger he sure could play. Bottom line, if it’s for VERY short term (say 1 year) I could live with almost anybody. I’d prefer we don’t clog the system with overpaid potential has-beens that cost boku $. We’ll need that money to add rental pieces to (hopefully) push us over the top in 2-3 years, as well as give requisite raises to our core youth … Hey, the only reason I suggested Frolov before was the guy is an UFA, didn’t really get the chance to audition last season during his 1 year deal due to injury. He might be hungry to stay in the NHL (or he might mail it in to the KHL). Best case would be he tears is up, increases his trade value and we ship him out as part of a package for something more stable. What do you think?

by bleed'n blue on Mar 12, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Recchi's cheap

His current hit is a cool mil. I’m just thinking the rangers need two vets to sign to steer the team a bit and take a little pressure off the young guns.

Realistically, we need a center who can win draws, pass, and play defense and a winger who can stickhandle through the neutral zone and has a good stick offensively and defensively.

We could get by with filling either of the voids with my preference being a center. My knock on frolov is his lack of ability to play well in physical games. I don’t think he’s suited for Eastern Conference hockey.

Then again, Thomas just potted number 52 in juniors, maybe we’ll have a top line center by camp!

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 12, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I HATE to say it but you kind of just described drury and zherdev :)

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Zherdev may fit the bill for the spot at wing but drury doesn’t fit at center. He doesn’t skate well enough to play with gabby, His F/O% is good but with the hand injuries he’s had over the past 3 years, I don’t think his future numbers will approximate his career averages. lastly, his ability to make plays in offensive zone has become extremely limited.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 15, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

the more I think about it, I wouldn’t mind putting Kolarik on the 4th line wing and moving Avery to the wing with Boyle and Gabby (from above). This eliminates all the problems and leaves our current players to fill the roles. Avery comes off the books at the same time as Drury …. maybe give some other Whalers a chance too?

by bleed'n blue on Mar 12, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

you are optimistically leaving out Drury.

We are stuck with that guy another year yet.

by GAThingy on Mar 7, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

well if we were to get Richards, Drury would have to be bought out IMO. the only way it would happen. and NYRangerFan If prospal and Feds dont come back we still got guys in the system like Kreider/Grachev that a lot of people would love to see get ice time next year. I still don’t think it would effect Anisimov that much.

by CrazyRangerFan on Mar 7, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a chance Drury plays another Rangers game. He is either bought out or retires if his knees are messed up

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Stepan will not be a long term center unless he gets bigger and drastically improves faceoffs. I see him as a winger. I think our best option would be stepan on the wing, add Richards as #1 center and keep AA as 2nd line center. Boyle to 3rd Center and get a Blair Betts type guy for 4th.

by DieselCane22 on Mar 7, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

he needs to improve on faceoffs, thats it.

Stepan is exceptionally responsible defensively and coupled with his vision and playmaking ability, he’s sticking at center.

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by John Merrigan on Mar 7, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Why do we want to move guys out of the circle so bad? I’m still asking why Dubinsky had to move at all, his vision was good, his faceoffs were good and he played great defense, but Torts sees something I don’t I guess.

Stepan will improve his faceoffs and if worse comes to worse he is a 40% faceoff guy we don’t use in situations where he NEEDS to win one.

by louielounz1 on Mar 7, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Duby’s game profiles better for a winger. He loves to crash around and lug the puck along the boards. As a center he has to be much more mindful of his defensive assignments, which will hem in his explosiveness.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 Dubi has been MUCH better on the wing.

by CrazyRangerFan on Mar 7, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

the Rangers may not need to sign Richards so badly because next season I think AA is going to be even better. He’s got 16 goals at this point now; I would take a bet that at this point next season that’s 25-30. Is Brad Richards going to do better than that?

Very much undervaluing Brad Richards here. He’s an elite centerman and a Conn Smythe winner. He makes everyone who plays with him better. Artem Anisimov although a good player, at his peak will never reach that level. It’s not to discredit AA, but it’s to show just how good Richards is. So no, AA won’t be better than Richards next season and yes Richards will do better than that.

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by John Merrigan on Mar 7, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

It’s true that Richards was a Conn Smythe winner in 2004 and can potentially squeeze some extra production out of his teammates, but what happens in year 3 of Richards 5 or 7 year contract when he has degraded to the 50-60 point level that AA can give you … except Richards is costing the Rangers a Druryesque $7.5 M per season?

Also, the fact that Dallas was already making sure to match Richards up against 3rd/4th line competition makes me think that if we read between the lines Richards is already on the decline.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

this is exactly why I dont want Richards at all unless its a 4 year contract

by MattPwrcf1 on Mar 7, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me ask you this: would you be willing to have Richards as an overpaid 3rd line center in year 4-6 if it made us a true cup contender in year 1-3? And if in that year 1-3, he made Stepan and AA THAT much better by mentoring them?

Remember, the biggest problem we have with Drury is that he is not even worthy of a 3rd line position, for that money. I do not see Richards being as useless 4 years from now.

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How bout we skip the cutesie mentoring program everyone is a fan of and let the COACH coach them.

by GBK2 on Mar 7, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Richards plays center better than Torts does.

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

BigB, I’ll ask you this. Is signing Richards worth giving up on, Cally or Duby or Staal? The Rangers are in a unique position to build a dominant team for a 5 – 7 year stretch that starts in two or three seasons. If these kids are as good as we think they are, they are going to be the bulk of the lineup over that time. Adding Richards will take away money that is going to be used on current Rangers stars.

I loved 94, it was a great season. But honestly, that’s now ‘been there done that’. The damn Devils went out and won three cups in eight years and overshadowed what the Rangers did. The Rangers went for it 94 and won (barely). Then they stunk from 98 – 2006. I don’t want to take that chance again. I want to to take a shot at being the dominant Eastern franchise during The King’s time in NY. I think the Rangers are currently cultivating the talent needed for that type of run. The Rangers will need the cap space you want to allocate on Richards over the next 5+ years to keep the pieces here, unlike the mess they made up in Chicago.

If Richards was turning 27 on May 2 then I’d drive down to Dallas and pick him up myself … but he’s turning 31 and has only a couple big years left in the tank. After that he becomes a $7.5M+ albatross from 2013 – 2016 or 2017 or even 2018. Save the cap space for our own stars, monitor the Parise situation and be prepared to swoop in when he likely becomes a UFA summer 2012 but don’t repeat the mistakes of the past by signing Brad Richards and hoping a 32+ player continues to be a star. Let some other team take that risk.

Why is it a risk? Look at the top 30 point scorers since 2007. Almost all of them are 31 and younger. Every year there are 2 or 3 32+ guys on that list. Those players were either playing alongside young studs (S. Kozlov/Kovy in ATL, St. Louis/Stamkos in TB, Whitney/Staal in CAR) or they were all time players, Jagr, Sakic. Richards will not be playing alongside a Kovy or Stamkos in NY and he is no where near the player that Jagr or Sakic were.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You have some good points, though this year when he was 8th in the league in scoring, Richards didn’t exactly have studs around him. I guess it really all comes down to how much of a premium Richards would put on playing in NY and playing for Torts. If he’d take a lesser contract, I am all for it. Regardless of how badly we need someone like him, I think Sather would not give in to a 7-8 year contract (I hope…)

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He moves down a line or two

That’s easy. I highly doubt that he gets more than 5 years. But once AA or Step matures, they obviously bump him, and I think he would know that coming in. We want Richards because there are few FA’s who bring what he brings to the table as a player and a mentor for younger players. He is a good sign if we can get him, maybe the best since we brought in #11.

by BeukeBOOM! on Mar 7, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Stepan as a center

I also noticed you said will Richards do better than 25-30 goals, well he was on pace for like 35 this year before the injury. I think his number was at 24, he is really that good. Do I think we need Richards, yes. Is AA the future #1 maybe, but now or next year the answer is no. I say Richards for 4 years would be enough time to let these guys take over that spot.

by louielounz1 on Mar 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

There is no way Richards signs a four year contract. A four year deal leaves him as a FA just as he turns 35 and hits the dreaded +35 phase of his career, meaning teams will be very wary about giving Richards a multiyear deal.

Richards is not signing anything less than 5 years.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

4 years for 28 million

or 6 years at 36, I don’t like the look of giving him exactly what we gave Redden but I think he can put up 80+ pts for atleast 5 of those years, worth a shot.

by louielounz1 on Mar 7, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s a shot he’s still an 80 point player when he’s 36. The list of guys post-lockout that have put up 80+ at age 35+ is a very small one

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by George E. Ays on Mar 7, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, but who’s to say he can’t be part of that small group?

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 7, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not the goal scorer that the group is.

Alfreddson, Sakic, Selanne, Shanahan all had 30+ goal seasons to get them to 80. Even expanding to NHL all time, the only guy with less than 20 goals on the list is Oates, and the only other one with less than 25 was Gretzky. That’s true even if the list is expanded to 75+ points.

The one guy on the list that offers hope Richards could do it is Brind’Amour, but even he cracked 30 goals 5 times in his career, and had 26-56-82 at age 37.

Between that and the fact he hasn’t played 82 games in any of the last 4 years, I think he’s a serious longshot.

As always, I could be wrong.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If you match him with a star winger, he won’t need to pick up 30 goals. One can’t say that Neal, Eriksson, Morrow, Ribeiro or anyone else on Dallas has Maggy’s scoring talent, yet Richards has been racking up the As. 60+ assists aren’t hard to imagine when you put Maggy next to him.

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 8, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

MArian GAborik

Maggy

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 8, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

MArian GAborik = MAGA, not maggy BTW.

by teknics on Mar 8, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, 60+ assists is rarified air for people over 30, let alone 35, since the lockout.

It’s simply not smart to throw 5+ years at him on the hope he happens to be one of the guys that bucks the trend, star winger by his side or not.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad

I thought he was around the same age as St. Louis, not 5 years younger. I could still see him in the 70s when he turns 35 though. Maybe not 80, at least 60s, but I’d expect around 70.

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by Scratch and Snif on Mar 9, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

BR has only hit 60+ assists twice in his career and has never gotten more than 68. Both times were career years for him, hitting the 91 point mark once each for TB and DAL.

BR has also only broken the 50+ assist mark twice in his career with 70 and 74 point efforts.

He’s also only played 70+ games twice in the past four years.

Can BR’s body hold up for another 5 years? Not looking likely.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 9, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This post is really my own cautionary tale for Glen Sather; the Rangers may not need to sign Richards so badly because next season I think AA is going to be even better. He’s got 16 goals at this point now; I would take a bet that at this point next season that’s 25-30. Is Brad Richards going to do better than that?

Yes. Assuming he’s healthy, he probably will get you 80 pts. Maybe only 20 of those will be goals, but he will basically get you a PPG between his goals and assists. I like Anisimov, but its asking an awful lot to get him a 23 year old to go from 40 pts to 80 pts and lead the 1st line. And, you’re ignoring Richards ability to play the point on the PP. And you’re assuming that Stepan wouldn’t succeed in a 3rd line role.

Im not saying that Richards is the right fit for this team, but honestly I would be worried less about his effect on Anisimov than his likely contract demands.

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by poploser on Mar 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe, but doubtful

Numbers wise he doesn’t have #1 Center written on him. More like a solid #2. But he does have the frame and we’ve seen crazier things.

by Rob L on Mar 7, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

AA Is Only 22 But....

Check out the top 30 centers in the league right now. What were THEY doing when they were 22.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 7, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Check out this list

It’s limited to post-lockout (to keep scoring levels relatively equal for comparison).

He’s clearly ahead of guys like Koivu and Kesler,
He’s just about even with guys like Backes, Dubinsky, Weiss.
He barely trails guys like Carter, Pavelski.
He’sclearly behind guys like Spezza, Backstrom, or Getzlaf.

For your point though, he’s also ahead of guys like H. Sedin, Datsyuk, and Plekanec, and behind others like Stamkos (who isn’t even 21 yet) or Thornton. That’s just an argument based on bottom line, boxscore numbers. I have plans to do something in the offseason more in depth using the full spectrum of stats, so I’ll save the research for then.

I honestly don’t know if he’s a 1 or 2 (I think it’s safe to say he’s not a 3). I know I would trade him for an established 1 in his prime (ages 25-28). I know I wouldn’t move him otherwise.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 7, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade

I think if AA is having a solid, but not spectacular, career by time he hits 26/27… I’d pull the trigger too.

by Rob L on Mar 7, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

For what?

A conditional 3rd at the deadline? By that point, he’s lost his value as a prospect, your getting what you see.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 7, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Artie’s value right now seems to be in his continued maturation. So trading him doesn’t seem like a great move because he wouldn’t fetch what the rangers need on the market, by himself. However, if we can keep AA and get a number 1 center, Artie’s a whole lot more valuable in that scenario because the guy we bring in would push AA to hit his ceiling.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Stastny, Doughty, E Staal. That’s the type of player you trade AA for as the centerpiece of a package. Players still in or approaching their prime years. Not saying the other team would do it, but that’s what you aim for.

The idea of swapping him for a Richards rental was the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

AA is not the centerpiece of any package that would get those players. A key piece, yes. However, the holes in the line up that would result from a package like that are not worth it because the team would be set back a couple years in development.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Been preaching that all year. Also, I think an off season signing of Richards ties up too much cap space at this point. While the prospect of Richards next season is tempting, personally I don’t think the timing is. Let the boys grow for another season then see what we need. Maybe some of these guys (AA, Step, Boyle) will pleasantly surprise us.

by bleed'n blue on Mar 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Package

You could package him for a more impact player. Or, depending on where the team is, a better future.

by Rob L on Mar 7, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Packaging Artie seems to be the worst of all worlds because the rangers give up a AA plus whoever else and in return probably only get one player who fills a need and the rangers are left with a hole at center and perhaps the wing which will be filled by more expensive and less talented people, I would assume. I think there would be very few packages like this that would make any sense or have the possibility of being worked out in reality.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I’m just saying, the odds of him morphing into a superstar are slim. He still has some upside, espically if other teams think they can get something out of him we can’t. Moving him now he has alot more value then he will in a couple years.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

So, you’re saying a 22 year old guy who has already improved his points total, year on year, by 50%, can’t possibly improve or increase in value( either on the team or in trade) in the next couple years? Did I get that right?

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying that I think right now, his stats and potential give him the biggest value in a trade. If we bring in Richards and put AA into a 3rd line role, I don’t think that’s going to help his value.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there are any signs of AA losing his current line assignment even if we sign a first line center.
That said, the future is bright because he’ll have the room to grow into his body, role, and talent – which are all more considerable than whatever his current trade value is.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Then flip Step?

Step seems to be the consensus to have more upside, either way, one of them are heading to the 3rd line if we get Richards, and whoever that is, might as well get flipped.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s wrong with having Richards-Stepan-Anisimov?

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s horrible. i think it means you let Boyle walk though. I don’t think Boyle is more skilled player then Step or Boyle, but I think he’s a better fit as a 3rd line center. I think the value of what either could bring back in a trade (like one of the pieces we’re missing) is much more that what either offers over Boyle in a 3rd line center roll. I don’t think bringing back Boyle as a 4th line center, unless NO ONE else is interested in him, makes sense either.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why. He instantly gives you more skill than just about all 4th liners in the league, and creates immense depth. Whether he’s a 3 or a 4, the ice time would stay relatively constant.

Yes, he probably ends up making more than you want to pay a 4th liner (say, $2.25m), but you make it up with the discounts you’re getting at 2 and 3 with Step/AA for at least the length of Boyle’s new deal.

This all assumes that we’re signing Richards of course, who requires no forfeiture of assets. The only other glaring need is an offensive defenseman, of which there are like 10 coming up in UFA as well.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And in the wacky world of Torts line combos are mere suggestions anyway. Being a 4 liner on a torts team means big minutes some nights and even powerplay or pk time too.

Having a 20 goal scorer in the lineup is better than not having him in.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If we had REAL 1st line talent, that wouldn’t be happening.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You really think that if, for instance, Richards were here, that the line juggling would stop if the team hit speed bumps?

Even if Richards-Gaborik were kept together, there’d surely be a merry-go-round of who sits on the LW there.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the line juggling is a symptom of Torts lack of coaching ability. Torts is good at the “rah-rah” kinda stuff, but hasn’t come up the x’s and o’s to get our guys through the bumps. Richards comes, Torts runs out of excuses. We have the talent, and find a guy who can use it.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You need to understand how much of a pain in the ass for the opposing coach to match up lines against 4 lines that have
Richards
Anisimov
Stepan
Boyle
centering them. Thats a nightmare.

by The Blue Seats on Mar 8, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

We would have 3 scoring lines, any of them at the bare minimum would hold their own against other team’s top-6, at their best dominate them. Our fourth line (Fedotenko – Boyle – Prust) plays a strong defensive game, and can burn the opposition if they open up. Now that Torts can run 4 lines (which he has), it really is a nightmare for other coaches to decide who to throw out on the ice.

Fedotenko as 4LW really solidifies that line, and I wouldn’t mind at all resigning him for 1-1.2m (could go as high as 1.8-2m after performance bonuses that may not be obtained, similar to Prospal’s deal). If not, we have people in the pipeline that could do the job, albeit not as good.

by Kritikal on Mar 9, 2011 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

What purpose would flipping step serve? It just seems to create a hole that we can’t readily fill. Torts pretty much rolls 3 lines so keeping step with wolski and zuke seems perfectly fine to me.

Even if we sign someone for 5 years, AA and step would be in their primes when the contract came due and should damn well be ready to move up. Either way we have time to find out where their respective ceilings truly lie without penalty.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The flip side is, you have a guy in Boyle, who as I said above, is a better fit as a third line center. I think either AA or Step are playing down in that roll. You use either one ( I would suggest AA) to get what we need NOW. Have Richards on top, Step or AA as #2, and Boyle in your third line roll. That leaves on hole in the 4th spot that could be “Captain Contract”, a vet FA, a guy like Newbury, or EC if you want to use him every night. It’s the 4th line center, not going to make or break us.

You can certainly keep them both, but I think whoever you use in the third line roll is going to see their development stunted quite a bit. Yes, it gives you a (possible) solution in 5 years, but 5 years is PLENTY of time sort out that situation without someone waiting in the wings.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s no rule that says line any given line has to play a certain style or have a given talent level. to be a winning club there has to be talent at every position which can dominate their respective opponents. If I can have the best at any position on my team, then that is who should be there.

besides, if a center should be added, I don’t think AA or steps playing times change that much if at all. Torts will find ways to get them time if their play deserves it.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’re playing 3rd line guys over $7 mil per 1st liners it’s not a good thing. Slats lousy contracts have made too many people here think millionaire 4th liners is the norm. When we have REAL 1st line talent, you not taking their minutes for a 3rd line guy.

Look at it this way. Chicago had all their payroll issues. They could have moved Toews, Kane, or Hossa easily for great return and cleared things up quickly. Instead they moved a bunch of outside pieces. Those guys have gone on to play well for other teams, but the Hawks are still looking good. The early season hangover didn’t help, but the team that’s on the ice now is a tough matchup. You can be a good, or even very good player, and be replaced, as long as you have a couple of GREAT players to get you through it.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Stars win games. Organizational depth wins championships. i want another championship.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Just making the point that he’s not in elite company. He’s on track to be an NHL guy, maybe even a very good player, but more likely then not, replaceable.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 7, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I got your point, and I’m pointing out that there are several players on that list who were not as good at 22 as Anisimov.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Any ideas how to separate Anisimov, Callahan, and Dubinsky?

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by red army line on Mar 7, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

WOWY?

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

good point, good lists

It took the Sedins four years to really get going in the NHL, too….and now look at ’em.

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by greifi griffie on Mar 7, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the major thing with AA is consistency
he has extraordinary talent, no doubt, but it is usually revealed to us in glimpses and flashes

if he can maintain the high level of play we see on some of his shifts, then he is undoubtedly a #1/2 center on this team
quite a big ‘if’ though

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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Mar 7, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Repost from above:

Let me ask you this: would you be willing to have Richards as an overpaid 3rd line center in year 4-6 if it made us a true cup contender in year 1-3? And if in that year 1-3, he made Stepan and AA THAT much better by mentoring them?

Remember, the biggest problem we have with Drury is that he is not even worthy of a 3rd line position, for that money. I do not see Richards being as useless 4 years from now.
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As far as AA, I think he is destined for the 2nd line, eventually. I think he is great and developing quite nicely. He holds the puck too long, tries to get too tricky with it, but in that sense I think he is similar to how Dubinksy was in past years. I see Anisimov making a Dubinsky-like improvement next year and adding another 5 goals to his total from this year. I think he is going to polish his finish. That said, I still think Stepan has more upside as a #1 playmaking center.

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldnt look to trade him

i agree he is really talented and has amazing hands

I love AA, but a trade for Stastny made sense, I wouldnt trade AA or Stepan for Richards that made no sense

if we can keep Dubi Cally AA Stepan Wolski Zucs Boyle Prust and add Kreider I think this team is stocked with young talent

by Archie Barberio on Mar 7, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

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I think the best thing for the development of our aspiring centers would be the acquisition of a veteran playmaking center.
Having a true number 1 center would push everyone else to be better and take the pressure off both on the ice and in the room, which probably frees guys like AA and step to have big break out years.

I’m just not sold on Richards and frankly if between now and july 1st, better options present themselves, Sather should take a hard and long look. I think all the Richards hype is clouding the debate on AA’s ceiling which looks like a number 1 center and his floor is a number 2.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

guys, a lot of really good points here.......

John Merrigan: I agree with what you commented; even as I was writing that bit about AA scoring as much as Richards, I knew that I was ignoring what an established playoff performer Richards is (or was in 2004). I guess I just want to see a guy like AA grow into that mold on his own, in a Rangers jersey, and not hand the reins to a new FA right on the cusp of us becoming contenders.

That being said, my own sentimentality can’t get in the way of common sense. As other posters said, as long as you can find room for Anisimov, Stepan, Boyle, Dubi, Calli, Avery. etc…….and still have Richards, and keep everyone happy; then hey that would be great. Philly and Chicago have similar depth up front and they make it work. One thing those teams do NOT have is Henrik Lundqvist….or Dancing Larry. (where the hell did he go? I haven’t been to a game this year and MSG doesn’t show him anymore).

Maybe its too early to even consider this, but I don’t want to see Chris Kreider get blocked from making the team next fall either. Will Brad Richards’ presence prevent that? Maybe not; the Rangers braintrust has made it clear that guys will play if they are effective.

I also think the Rangers should retain Prospal, Avery, and Fedotenko, but that may be too much to ask with Richards coming over in the summer.

by KingHenrik30 on Mar 7, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

If Kreider comes up Prospal, Feds, or EC would go, I imagine.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

All three are gone

Plus Gilroy and Eminger

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by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 7, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

2011-12 Defensemen

Who fill out the bottom 6?

Staal- Girardi
McDonagh- Sauer

I want Del Zotto to stay in Hartford for a while, personally. I like Gilroy, but he needs to learn when and when not to pinch. Eminger I like as well, I haven’t seen much wrong with his game.

If those two are gone, Del Zotto may get the spot, but I don’t think McCabe will be returning, especially not at his current salary. In the system, I think the higher profile prospects would be Pavel Valentenko from Hartford, and Mikhail Pashnin finally done with his KHL contract coming over to the States.

Or do the Rangers go after a cheap free agent (though in my mind, Gilroy or Eminger would qualify there)

by Hoggo on Mar 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I like keeping Gilroy, if his new cap number is cheap enough and would love to have McCabe or some other vet D with a similar game to play eminger’s role and provide some leadership and stability for the D-corps. I think MDZ go hurt this year by a lack of veteran D and so his slump spiraled out of control a bit.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

His qualifier is more than he is worth, I’m afraid. Kundratek might be ready also.

by BigB22 on Mar 7, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, Gilroy is not worth $1.75M that’s why his trade value was nil. He is a UFA this summer by virtue of non-tender. I think he signs somewhere, maybe even the Rangers, for $1M. 6th/7th Dman money.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

V-Tank is a favorite of mine

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t make the team next year

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by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 7, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

EC isn't going anywhere

He’s got one year left at a very reasonable 900k. At very least, he’s a great extra body to have around.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Richards could decline, but I doubt it

When it comes to centers, Brad Richards is about as good as they come. He’s one of the best athletes in the NHL and there is no reason why he can’t continue to play at a high level into his 40s like Messier, Selanne and Shanahan did

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by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 7, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Richards’ athleticism is in question and I think you are right about Richards. However, is having a 40 year old brad richards good for the rangers and will he be able to provide what the team needs? Neither Mess, Shanny, nor Selanne were first line players in their 40’s and if that’s what we need Richards to be at that age, we should look for someone substantially younger.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Selanne is 40 and has 60 points in 57 games. He continues to be one of the Ducks best players and could easily be on the first line. Shanny and Mess may not have been first line players, but still contributed to our team in their late 30s and early 40s

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by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 7, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is the rangers have plenty of secondary and role players what the rangers and whoever comes in to fill the top line center spot needs to have a career arc that is in synch with the development of our core players and prospects.

Selanne has been playing well this season but he’s still not a top line player – he’s tearing it up on the second line.
Not to mention this is his first potentially elite season in four years. The idea is that the ducks don’t need him to play first line minutes. They have a role for him and he’s killing it but it’s not like if he’s not producing like a man half his age, the team is sunk. That’s the difference I was trying to highlight.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 7, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Odds are

AA is going to be a secondary/role player. He’s not ever going to be the impact player Richards can be for us right now.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

do you have any particular reasoning or inside information?

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s Russian but his name does end with -kin.

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by Broheem NJ on Mar 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s certainly a long shot chance he could develop into a player of Richards level, but I don’t see it. If AA was going to hit level of play, he’d be doing what he does now as an 18 year old.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Richards didn’t break into the NHL till he was twenty. So by your logic, BR should never have developed into an elite player. Is this what you really mean?

AA’s current trajectory lands him near 60 pts next year which is not all that far off of BR’s career 76 points/82 games. If AA continues to mature, he’ll be able to give BR a run for his money.

Different players develop along different timelines. Not every good player can break in as a teen. Marc Savard’s career or Tim Thomas’ career are good cases in point.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There both exceptions, not the rule

Hank was the 205th overall pick, should we not waste picks in the first 200’s on goalies anymore? Not that Dallas would take it, but I’m positive the B’s would give up either (or both) for Richards.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a decent list of top scorers who didn’t break in as teenagers and who needed between 1 and 4 seasons of NHL experience to break out to the next level. It is clearly too soon to call where AA will land. Either way the chips fall his value will rise as his career unfolds.

The exception to the “rule” are the 18 and 19 year olds who step right in and produce right away In fact almost everyone in the NHL needs some time to adjust their game at the beginning of their careers.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying those young guys who come and in and never look back are the ones you REALLY regret moving. I think AA can have a solid NHL career, but I don’t believe that what he offers in the future, is as important as what we can get if we use as part of a deal for a piece we can’t replace from within the system.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What deal do you have in mind?

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what we've gotta start shopping for

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. In our case, we should be offering 3 or 4. We have ALOT of pieces who are “going to be great next year”. Put them together and start going after 1st line talent.

As I’ve said before, I thought AA, MDZ and our 1st this year would have been a fair deal for Richards this season. The first is in a weak draft, I don’t think MDZ has a future with Torts, and AA become expendable with the addition of Richards. You have to give to get.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And that’s still an insane price for a guy who would only waive his NTC to go here, is still not healthy, and is not committed to re-signing anyway.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What's insane

Do we need the guy we’re going to get with a late first round pick in a weak draft? We’ve already got more prospects in the system destined for Broadway then spots in the lineup. It’s not like our history with 1st rounders should make us think we’ll get anything out of the pick anyway.

Do we need the the defenseman who we demoted to the AHL, to play with all our other defensive prospects, and seems to not get along with our coach? Plus, as you pointed out before, there’s a TON of offensive defensemen available in the upcoming draft.

Finally, you have AA, a good young player who happens to play in the middle, a roll Richards would be coming in to fill, and making him expendable.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Since slats no longer has to trade for BR, what do you want to trade for? What’s the goal?

If the goal is to have one of the strongest teams in the east getting a center and keeping our core seems the best bet. I just don’t see a deep seated need that mandates moving core people when we could do with signing 2 free agents and finally have a complete team.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Slats has to find that

If I get into examples, everyone says “That will never happen”. No one thought the guys in the Avs-Blues deal were available either, until they got moved. That’s what we need. Something that sends out some of our responsible, hard working guys and brings in some guys who can add some punch to lineup. Who can create goals and change games.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d have paid the 20 year old D-man you’re high on, a well-developing 22 year old center, and a ~30% chance at an effective NHL player, for about 12 games and whatever number of playoff games from 0-28.

Instead, you can sign him now for just money, with much more information on his health status and contract demands, both of which are key factors in his signing here.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

But where do they all fit?

It’s time to start deciding who we’re taking to the dance, and dance with them. It sends the message to the guys who are there, that they ARE the ones, and lets us use the rest to fill in the holes.

As far as that deal, i think that everything we’d be giving up doesn’t have a top 6 future with this team, the way it’s put together. i also think the preview of Richards on Broadway is well worth the price, before we get tied into him for 5-8 years with a chunk of our cap.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Except your logic is then flawed. Richards here makes Anisimov ‘expendable,’ except we’re only trying him out, which means if we didn’t like what we got back, we lost a player who is already contributing against top competition at 22.

As much as you’d like to think so, we don’t have a replacement for Anisimov in the system, and they’re not available without paying RFA compensation on top of what you just paid to kick the tires on Richards.

It’s terrible asset management to trade for a guy under that pretense.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If Richards doesn’t work, we try to plug the holes with vet FA’s, until we can draft or acquire someone else.

If Richards doesn’t work, AA or not, we are screwed, since we’re buried under another big deal. I don’t think we should be ASSUMING Richards won’t work when we make the trade, but it’s nice to know we have the out if we need it. Recovering from losing AA would be ALOT easier then carrying another dead weight contract. That’s my logic atleast.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know a guy named neil smith?

=)

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

not to get between you and George....

but that sounds like a horrible idea.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 9, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Buck, you’re not making AA expendable by signing Richards. Our first line center atm is Prospal, who isn’t guaranteed to resign. Christensen was a stop-gap, and won’t be needed should we sign a center between now and next season.

I’m still hoping Sather finds a way to trade for Stastny using the surplus of our pipeline (D, LW), maybe giving up one roster player in the process. The trade would most likely send a guy we really don’t want to see go, but it would be an instant upgrade, and we could avoid signing Richards in the process.

by Kritikal on Mar 9, 2011 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think Tortorella has a future with the Rangers !!!!!

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 8, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hank was the 205th overall pick, should we not waste picks in the first 200’s on goalies anymore?

Draft history says yes, you probably should ignore goalies in the draft.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Selanne

Is a freak of nature.

by Hoggo on Mar 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Lidstrom too… guy’s having a career year at 41… supposedly he isn’t sure if he wants to come back, but he’s obviously still got it.

by Kritikal on Mar 7, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lidstrom is amazing

He show’s no sign of slowing down. He’s playing some of the best hockey of his career and looks like he can continue playing into his 50s and maybe surpass both Chelios and Howe.

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by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 7, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's at 3 benchmarks right now.

250 goals, 850 assists, 1100 points in 1,478 games. I just thought that was a hell of a coincidence, not to mention obscene numbers.

by GBK2 on Mar 7, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If the number of games listed include playoff games, he could hit 1500 before this season ends :P

by Kritikal on Mar 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

if those numbers....

included playoff games…he’d already be far passed 1500.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 8, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a different league. Speed, speed, speed and more speed. Once a forward loses a step he is finished. There are no dominant forwards in their mid 30s anymore. And Richards doesn’t even sniff the jock of Messier, Shanahan or Selanne. Richards will be putting up 60 point years in 3 seasons and most of those points will be on the PP.

by caonenine on Mar 7, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

my reaction to this is to create 547 new accounts so i could rec this post with each one.

i honestly could not have said it any better.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 7, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

We need true first line talent

As much as I love Dubi, Callahan, Boyle, Prust, Stepan and Anisimov I dont see any of them progressing to be a top 10 scorer/first line player in this league. They are very, very good players who play with a tremendous amount of heart. However they simply dont have the talent of Crosby, Ovechkin, E.Staal, etc.. They are 2nd line players and if they can give you 20-25 goals a year it would be great. That said, we still need the talent to put a puck in the net more consistently- we need a bonafied first line. Gaborik- yes. Prospal- no. Who else on the team can make that next step? if no one then we need to tap the talent from outside. You can’t have 3 lines made of 2nd liners.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Mar 7, 2011 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

a 50-60 point player is NOT a second line player.

if that were the case that every team would have 6 of em.

no, they are not top 10 players in the league, but dubinsky is a 1st line player.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 8, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

A 50 to 60 point guy could be a second liner or a first liner. It really depends on his team’s needs and his qualcomp numbers.

For example, Teemu Selanne. He’s put up first line numbers against second line competition but if he played first line his numbers would be nowhere near as good. Another good example is 2002 to ’04 Mess played third and fourth line minutes but put up 40ish points per year. He dominated his line but there is no way he would have done the same on a higher line.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 6:29 AM EST up reply actions  

50-60 is 2nd line. 60+ is about where 1st line starts, roughly. Yes, you can have 50 point guys on 1st lines, but I would say that’s more because there aren’t enough 1st line talents in the league.

Agree that Dubi’s a 1.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 8, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

On a good team his a 2nd line lpayer at best. However Rangers are not that good so he plays on the 1st line.

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 8, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose there are two things you are debating: 1.) whether AA will be first line talent and 2.) whether he can be a superstar in the NHL.

i think AA is most definitely top line capable, the question in my mind is when he’ll get the chance to prove himself.

Is AA going to be a superstar? I don’t know but I think it’s possible. Right now he’s on pace to score forty-ish points in his first year of offensive responsibility which compares favorably to Stamkos two years ago when he potted 46 pts as a rookie. Given that AA has shown a pattern of adjustment and breakout, there’s no reason not to think 50 – 70 pts could be in cards for him next year which would put him in between solid top talent and elite player numbers. It is definitely worth waiting and seeing.

Stepan seems to be a little ahead of AA but on the same track generally. Cally is probably playing right at his potential right now whereas dubi has a fair bit more growing to do. Prust is in the same boat as cally. Boyle however is a complete wildcard partly because he’s been a slow grower in the past and bigger players tend to hit their peak later – just like centers in the NBA.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Jam

He has jam.

Nuff said.

by Peterman700 on Mar 8, 2011 4:04 AM EST reply actions  

AA is good 2nd line center. However...

Richards 50-70 assists per season are well above AA’s ceiling. AA has decent, but not special passing skills, negating the 5 extra goals a year he might score a year in comparison to Richards. IMO you can make a better argument for Stepan given his 1st year production and passing skills he’s flashed. The reality is they are probably both best suited for 2nd line duty, a luxury for the Rangers to have them both. Which brings you to the conclusion that you need to roll Boyle on the 4th line and add Richards at the top and this team will be a top two seed next year. Don’t over think it, its obvious.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Mar 8, 2011 6:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Can you please explain:
Richards 50-70 assists per season are well above AA’s ceiling

How did you arrive at that statement?

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He does not have to be as good as Richards to be good for us. Give us 25 goals and 25 to 30 assists and i would be happy.

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 8, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You want obvious? Bringing in Richards on a 5+ year contract — don’t kid yourself, there is no way Richards signs for less than five years — will bring some success (2nd round? conf. final?) for the next two years at the cost of hurting the team for the remainder of his contract and most likely beyond. Richards’ production will be no where near his cap number by the 2013-2014 season.

Be patient, the window for this team to be among the elite opens in the 2012-2013 season. Then Duby and Cally are near the end of their prime years, Stepan, AA, Zucc, MDZ, Sauer, McD, are entering their prime years and Staal, Girardi are at the peak of their powers along with Hank.

If you really want to blow money on an UFA, wait and see what happens with Parise. 27 year old free agents are the ones you want to spend on, not 31 year olds. That just puts the Rangers on a path back to the ugly Lindros, Fleury, Kamensky years.

by caonenine on Mar 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Next year...

Let’s assume that the rangers re-sign most of their current players, are able to land Brad Richards, and that Chris Kreider signs with the big club and is a contributor from the get -go, which from reports from scouting agencies, is a possibility. With this in mind, the tentative line-up could look like this.

1st Line: Kreider Richards Gaborik
2nd line: Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
3rd Line: Wolski Stepan Zuccarello
4th Line: Avery Boyle Prust

Spare parts: Christensen, Drury, Boogard

Assuming that Prospal (contract expired) and Fedetenko (contract expired) aren’t resigned, we still have enough NHL caliber players to fill the lines and have good utility spare players in Christensen (one more year at $800,000) and Drury (if he doesn’t retire / isn’t bought out). Obviously, this is assuming that no one else from Hartford is ready for the show.

With this line-up, we can hope that both the 2nd line and the 3rd line (really the 2b line) continue to grow together, since both lines consist of players who are young and STILL haven’t reached their ceilings. And honestly, a fourth line of Boyle, Prust, Avery (or even substituting Avery or Prust for Christensen or Drury, occassionally) is a really solid fourth line, better than most other teams’ 4th line. Obviously, we could resign prospal or fedetenko again, if we want some insurance for Kreider, but maybe the team doesn’t feel that is necessary…

Getting Richards doesn’t necessarily “retard” AA’s development. the only thing that would REALLY hurt Anisimov is not playing him with good players (like Callahan and Dubinsky). If he were to fall down to the 4th line, that would be detrimental, but as long as he is getting ice-time and playing with quality players, he should continue to grow.

As a fan, I have to hope that a) We can land Richards; b) that Richards is actually the answer at center and develops a rapport with Gaborik, and c) that Kreider can step in, much like Stepan did this year, and play well enough to develop into a solid contributor. if those things happen, we will actually FINALLY have a fairly complete team. It might not be as deep as the Flyers are, but instead it would not feel like a lot of spare parts out there.

P.S. Just a quick look at defense
1st pairing Staal and Girardi
2nd pairing Sauer and McDonagh
3rd pairing Michael Del Zotto / Kundratek / Valetenko / Pashnin

This is just how it would look for players we definitely would have on the roster (not even considering the possibility of us resigning Gilroy or McCabe or Eminger, which wouldn’t surprise me if there was some carryover to help ease the transition).

Honestly, as a fan, you have to see this roster as having a ton of upside, and just look forward to it (at least i do)

by aVERYgrate1 on Mar 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

That pesky salary cap gets in the way of your plan. That lineup is at least $4.5M over the cap

by caonenine on Mar 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

per cap geek...

(in richards’ case, using Gaborik’s contract as a guide)
(in kreider’s case, using Stepan’s contract as a guide)
Kreider ($875,000) + Richards ($7,500,000) + Gaborik $(7,500,000)
First line total = $15,875,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————(in Dubinsky’s case, looked at Claude Giroux’s contract, and go slightly lower)
(in Anisimov’s case, looked at Dubi’s and Cally’s contract, and went down since his overall production is lower)
(in Callahan’s case, looked at Claude Giroux’s contract, and slight discount as a guide)
Dubinksy ($3,500,000) + Anisimov ($2,500,000) + Callahan ($3,600,000)
Second line total = $9,600,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Wolski ($3,800,000) + Stepan ($875,000) + Zuccarrello ($1,750,000)
Third line total = $6,425,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
(in Boyle’s case, I went under Anisimov’s contract)
Avery ($1,937,500) + Boyle ($2,000,000) + Prust ($800,000)
Fourth line total = $4,737,500
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Staal ($3,975,000) + Girardi ($3,250,000)
First pairing total = $7,225,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
(In Sauer’s case, i’d imagine he’d get a nice raise, let’s arbitrarily say he moves up to 1.5 mil)
Sauer ($1,500,000) + McDonagh ($1,300,000)
Second pairing total = $2,800,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
(in Del Zotto’s case, see http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1158)
(in whoever the next person is, I went between Eminger and Sauer, since it would be a young prospect coming up, whoever it was)
Del Zotto ($1,087,500) + X ($750,000)
Third pairing total = $1,837,500
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Goaltending
Lundqvist ($6,875,000) + Biron ($875,000)
Goaltending = $7,750,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Spare Parts
Drury ( $7,050,000) if we buy hiim out ($3,716,667) and ($0) if he retires
Christensen ($925,000)
Boogard ($1,625,000)
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Salary total with Drury bought out (and Boogard and Christensen in the AHL, aka no spare parts on active roster)
=$59,966,667
Salary total if Drury retires and we keep Christensen and Boogard on the active roster (all ifs)
=$58,800,000
-————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Honestly, I think the big questions for management (if they can’t fit everyone) is a) what to do with Drury? b) can they get out of the Boogard signing? and c) Does it make sense to keep both Anisimov and Boyle if they can sign Richards and the emergence of stepan?

What do you think?

by aVERYgrate1 on Mar 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what, I apologize!

I remembered running the same roster a month ago and I thought I kept coming in $4M over. I do think you undercut Duby and Cally (I see them at $3.8 each) but I think you overpaid AA and Boyle, so that’s likely a wash.

You also forgot to consider the $1.5-$3M cap increase for next season.

The big question, like you said, is Drury. It’s also very risky to spend right up to the cap without filling roster spots 21-23

Here is the even bigger question. After next season you have the folloing FAs
RFA — MDZ, Wolski, Zuccarrello
UFA — Prust, Avery, Biron

Personally, I think Avery is a goner as he should be washed up after next season. Wolski can probably be let go. He may even be dealt away this summer. What I am getting at is the Rangers need to have flexibility to keep their own youngsters, and Prust, on the team. Adding Richards kills that flexibility. If Richards is a bust, which I think is very likely by year three of his contract, then some really good young players (Stepan? Kreider? Zuccs?) are going to have to be sacrificed. Do we really want what happened in Chicago to happen here?

by caonenine on Mar 8, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Wolski and avery both gone for sure in 2012. We shouldn’t even need them with how deep our system is with young wingers.

by BigB22 on Mar 8, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

if only our top players were as good as Chicago's top players, lol

the thing about chicago is that their top guys were good enough that they could weather that storm. i don’t think that our top guys have that kind of ceiling. and i’m not sure if we will be able to get that kind of talent in the draft anytime soon. With that in mind, we will eventually have to import a top 3 talent into our team, be it through center (Richards) or another winger (i guess we can always dream of Parise, lol). If we skip on Richards, i’d imagine Sather would try to improve on the win and hope that Anisimov or Stepan can develop while playing with two top wingers (basically, the anti-penguins philosophy of great centers with mediocre wingers).

Yeah, its kind of hard to project for all those guys, was just a ballpark sort of thing.

The drury deal does kill us at this point, and a buyout isn’t a great option. I feel that we’d sort of have to hope he pulls a naslund and saves us from ourselves. And the more that you look at it, the more you have to scratch your head over the Boogard signing.

You have to think that we are going to let SOME of those guys go, since we have cheaper options at the Whale who might threaten for a spot at some point in near future: Werek, Grachev, and Thomas – maybe even Bourque down the line.

I think avery won’t be resigned after next season, and only way wolski stays is if he proves to be a 70 point + scorer (which, based on his skills is possible, but based on past history of motivation problems, is unlikely)

will be interesting to see what happens with MDZ and MZA at that point, we will have had more time to figure out what they are actually worth to us.

by aVERYgrate1 on Mar 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you need top three talent at forward IF you can make up the difference with the other two portions of the lineup. The Rangers have a great D that is only getting better and they have Hank. I think in most playoff series in the future the Rangers are going to be stacked in those two phases and will be able to get by with a Philly-like forward group (three really good lines but no bonafide “top line”).

by caonenine on Mar 8, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You're WAY overshooting Kreider too

He’s a LONG way from being 1st line NHL material. I also don’t think keeping Boyle as a 4th line center is an option. This season is going to create some interest, and we’d be overpaying to keep him on the 4th line.

by BuckarooClub on Mar 8, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

agree with everything and..........

The move he made to net against Philly was sweet in a lot of ways.

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by Stroker Ace on Mar 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I have a question

I know nothing about Kundratek could somebody fill me in please?
when will McIlrath be ready to join the team? didnt Staal join the team really young?
what about Valentenko?

I see Staal Girardi McDonaugh Sauer Gilroy MDZ as our defensemen next year
but what if Valentenko is playing lights out? he looked good to me in the preseason
the Pashin kid from Russia I thought is really good too
the Rangers actually have alot of trade value in their young defensemen
basically if one of Valentenko McIlrath Kundartek work out we are set
personally I would like to see McIlrath up here, dude has a huge shot and is lockdown physically
but that leaves somebody out if you look at it
Staal Girardi-thats a given
McD Sauer- those two are going to be great
Gilroy MDZ- would we replace Gilroy with Valenteko? McIlrath?
who goes when these guys are ready, I see a dilema

by Archie Barberio on Mar 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

also

at this point I would prefer keeping GIlroy over MDZ
MDZ has shown us nothing this year in terms of developing, while Gilroy is finally growing into the player we thought he could be

by Archie Barberio on Mar 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ssshhhh.....

(Whispering) we could use them as trade bait.

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by Stroker Ace on Mar 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think keeping Gilroy over any of our defense is absolutely terrible. Gilroy is going to be like 28 year next year, he’s not going to get any better, there’s nothing he can really do well. He can play pretty good at times, that’s about it. MDZ is a lot younger and has a lot more talent, we shouldn’t just give up on him yet. Plus, Gilroy is an RFA after this year, I can’t see the Rangers re-signing him at all. I wouldn’t mind re-singing McCabe for 1 year, just for a veteran presence since we have none on defense and he can also mentor our young defense. Not sure if Valentenko needs another year of AHL, but I’d like to see this next year.
Staal-Girardi
McD-Sauer
MDZ-McCabe
and Tenko as the 1st call up to replace anyone, I prefer he would stay in the AHL so he at least plays.

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by Tripodi on Mar 8, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

while i haven't had too many problems with Gilroy's game....

as of late, and do think hes gotten better….i agree on McCabe.

i mean really, unless we play well down this stretch and make a run similar to MTL’s or Phillys last year……why did we even bother making the trade for him?
Sure Kennedy was never going to be able to play for us….soo good move…….maybe that pick wont really matter much in the long run….but regardless assuming McCabe doesnt expect a huge signing, i think it’s probably a great idea to sign him…..otherwise what’s the point of even bringing him here for the last 20 games of the season, the whole rental thing just gets me annoyed?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

McCabe’s here for veteran leadership for the D corps and to teach our cherubic defensemen how a powerplay shouuld really look. Remember how our lack of a working powerplay cost us a bunch of 1 goal games all season, he’s here to fix that too.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 8, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i understand that....

but he’s not teaching them how to play like he does on the PP in 20 games…not a chance in my opinion.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Mar 9, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The rangers schedule is super light and there is tons of time for his style to rub off on our D men. But I think the rangers are auditioning him for eminger’s role next season, at least I hope.

by The_TIKKanen on Mar 9, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Artie over Stepan

If Anisimov is a 30 goal scorer next year, that definitely puts him ahead of Stepan on the depth chart. I think bringing in Richards would be beneficial for Anisimov if we could get him at the right price because he could serve as somewhat of a mentor for Artie, who would probably end up being our second line center. I would have no problem with Stepan as a 3rd line center next season. He’ll only be 21.

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by MMeiselman731 on Mar 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

IMO it’s not about goals only on where on your depth chart a player is .Iti’s more where do you think a players talent belongs. I see Anisimov more as a 3rd line player and Stepan more of a 2nd line player. At least that’s how I see it.

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 8, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

if you see anisimov as a 3rd line player than so be it, but i couldn’t disagree more. his trajectory puts him at ~60 points last year. that is not 3rd line by any means.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What im saying is that if you are a good team and I mean SC contender then Anisimov should be no higher then a 3rd line player on oure team. I also like Stepan’s talent more.

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 10, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough. personally, i like AA’s talent more but thats just personal preference.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Currently AA’s a 3 on a SC team, I don’t think I’d argue with that. His potential’s much higher, however.

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by George E. Ays on Mar 11, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

AA is better than a 3rd line player, I see him being a 1-2 center as well as Stepan, they won’t be elite, but they’ll be good. Stepan kind of reminds me of a Tomas Plekanec type of player, while Anisimov is kind of like a Jarret Stoll kind of player.

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by Tripodi on Mar 9, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

I feel AA is a good solid young player for us. If he is ever going to be a #1, he needs to get quicker, get better hands and learn to stay on his feet. My opinion is he will not be a #1 for us ever. I obviously want to see him blossom into a 50pt scorer but if he needs to be a piece in a deal for an elite player like Stastny….so be it.

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by earthworm on Mar 12, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

100% agree with your opinion on him. Imo he is to slow to be number1 center. Plus he does not have the scorers hands.

by 1970RangersFan on Mar 12, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

He definitely has scorers hands. The speed however, I’ll agree with. That can be worked on though, just look at Brian Boyle.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Artie is really starting to bear out what I have so boldly predicted with this post.

His ability is becoming more and more apparent lately. I’m gonna say it again: 30 goals next year for him if he remains healthy.

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by KingHenrik30 on Mar 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed completely.

but you guys know by now.. ive been preaching about him for the last 2 years.

kids got size, skill, and now some jam.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here, made a fanpost about him a few months ago when he was struggling, this kid is gonna be great if he can just apply more jam to his game.

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by Tripodi on Mar 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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