Chris Kreider Staying at Boston College
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 11, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
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Ranger fans who have been dreaming about Chris Kreider on Broadway will have to wait a little longer.
If you've heard us talk about it here on the site and on the show, it should come as no surprise to hear that the Rangers 2009 First Round Draft Pick has opted to remain at Boston College next year.
From BCEagles.cstv.com:
Kreider recorded 24 points - 11 goals and 13 assists - in 32 games as a sophomore this winter. He missed five games in March because of a broken Jaw. The Boxford, Mass., resident earned Hockey East All-Rookie Team honors last winter and participated in the 2010 International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) World Championships in Germany. He has tallied 47 points - 26 goals and 21 assists - in 70 games during his two seasons at Boston College.
Kreider was adamant when he was drafted about going to BC, and had given no indication that he was in any hurry to turn pro.
Thanks to Jess Rubenstein of The Prospect Park for the heads up.
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Good. All I have to say.
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like i told Jess on twitter
this is the right move, I wanna see him start dominating Hockey East and let him progress slowly…no need to rush him
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"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Exactly.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 11, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
“start” dominating hockey east?
Have you watched kreider against BU lol
He tears us apart when we play BC. Granted, our team has been much weaker since the 09 champion team with Gilroy, Colin Wilson, Shattenkirk, and Yip. Kreider has scored some absolutely fantastic goals against us, and I can’t wait to see what he can do. But I’m definitely not against the move from a Ranger perspective (it sucks from a BU perspective lol). Let him get stronger, work on his game a bit more. I look forward to another year getting to watch him up close. We all know the talent is there in this kid.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Apr 11, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
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Problem is he SHOULD have been done with that THIS SEASON. I think getting him into an environment where its more about HIS development, and less about school pride would be a big step back towards fufilling 1st rd pick potential.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 14, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know where Kreider will be next season, but if every prospect stuck to their initial declaration, Stepan and McDonagh would not be a part of the Rangers, and the Rangers would probably be working on their short games right now.
completely different circumstances…because of the positions each of them played they developed differently. With Kreider being a pure goal scorer that talent takes longer to refine and any progress could be lost if he goes pro and has a set back (see grachev). Stepan and McDonagh had skill sets that made it so that their jumps to the professional game were much smoother and McD had to wait half the season till he was deemed ready for action on the big club
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Jump.....to......conclusions
Now, the scenario I’m about to paint is not to be treated as “likely”. It may not even be “possible”.
If you recall, last year at the conclusion of the Frozen Four tournament (when Kreider’s Eagles beat McDonagh/Stepan’s Badgers), it was reported (on the Wisconsin website and picked up everywhere, that Ryan McDonagh was returning to Madison for his senior year, and was expected to be (or may have even been named) Captain.
He shows up at the Ranger’s June prospect workouts, gets a chance to meet and greet, play with other prospects – and lo and behold ends up signing an ELC shortly thereafter.
And now, he’s a top-four defensive pair in the NHL……
While I personally believe that the best move HOCKEY-wise for Chris would be to turn pro (even if he spends a year in the AHL), there’s clearly more that will go into the decision than that – and if he decides to return to BC – I wish him all the best, and an injury-free junior season….. (please please please)
Kreider...
went to college to get stupid.
by Eddie Johnstone on Apr 11, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
Ok this made me LOL
Serious open question to all: If Krieder DID hypothetically sign now like Hagelin, would he immediately be placed on the Whale for the playoffs as well?
most likely. He’d get an ATO (Amateur Tryout Offer) and play in the AHL playoffs
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
I would think he would let his jaw fully heal.
by The Blue Seats on Apr 11, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well yeah…i was using the hypothetical that he signed and was healthy. But yeah if he’s fully healthy then yeah he would report to Fudgie
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Weird how Hagelin, Yogan and Mcilrath just jump into the line up.
I understand the need to get these guys experience, but it must suck to be the 6th defenseman or third / fourth liner all season for the Whale and lose your position overnight.
BTW- Grachev is having a tremendous +/- year down there. Probably time to think of him as a third line option barring an explosion in camp.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Apr 11, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hey its still professional level playoff hockey which is better than not playing hockey till june
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
I like Kreider
We should keep him. Lets not rush his development or trade him. I hate to see him traded and succeed somewhere else.
yes lets not rush him he lloks happy in college only!!
hopefully not another first round rangers plunder…?? we could have gotten ready to play stars.. like fowler.. brown.. shenn.. etc.. skinner ttype kane.. etc .. no we get school boys and works in progress in the first round.. we need to get better at scounting and get players on offense that acan help us now..
What are you talking about? When did we have ANY chance at drafting Brayden or Luke Schenn? Never, they were both top 5 picks. Same thing with Kane and Skinner, we haven’t had the 1st pick overall in ages, and we were nowhere near the position to draft Skinner, our scouting and young kids are great, this is an awful post.
Proudly suffering as a Ranger fan.
"C'mon, vagina is my 3rd favorite hole." -Drama
uhm...
what?
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
swing and a miss.
oh and btw cam fowler’s -25 has star written all over it…..
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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"I agree, Hugh. I played 3 years at Michigan"
“Those 3 years of NCAA hockey, 6 years in the minors, and Rick D’s glass jaw got me an NHL job”
"Smart Move Chris"
“You get to play another season of grab ass in the NCAA and maybe even two, plus a diploma. All I’ve got is this stupid cup”
"Good Choice to Stay in School Kid. I played all 4 years in college"
“Once you get your education, you get some cigar smoking joker to give you a ridiculous contract, and you just sit back and cash checks. Open a little pizza shop, and the only thing you need to dream about is becoming a better fisherman”.
"Kreider, are you nuts?"
“I’m probably the most successfull NHL player to waste 4 whole years in college. I only staid that long because when you’re 5’8”, even if you are tearing up the league for 4 years, no one would draft you in the 1990’s. Sign that contract, I year of NHL hockey and you can save enough to pay for a DOCTORATE if you have that much of an Education Boner"
you’re really bitter about this aren’t you? let him do what he wants and what the organization thinks is best for him…i think they would have a better idea than we do about his development
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
After reading the article, I was taking a look at some guys who’ve staid and some who’ve left. Thought I’d throw there names into the mix for discussion/comparison, and just have a little fun with the format.
I wouldn’t say I’m “bitter” but I find it hard to understand, and a bit disapointing. If the Rangers called up a player from Hartford, and he declined to come up because he wanted to play in the Calder Cup Playoffs, we’d all say he was nuts. Kreider is essentially CHOOSING to stay in a lower level of hockey. The Organization has made it clear that they want him to move on, and Kreider won’t.
Chris Kreider has an opportunity to get a step closer to playing in the best league in the world, for the most important trophy in all of hockey. He’s passing on it, and slowing down his development. College is fine for a year or two, but if you’re going to be a top player, you can’t waste 4 years of your development playing 35 games a season.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 12, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
you can’t decline a call up…you have a choice to sign with a team or not its a difference. I don’t see how its slowing his development, Gordie Clark measures players on if they have dominated their level before suggesting a promotion. I’m quite sure he’s talked to BC and Kreider to see how he has been progressing and if he has been dominating the NCAA and if Gordie and the player development team feels that he hasn’t shown them enough and they probably told him to stay in college and develop his skills further
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Everything I’ve read comes off as the Rangers wanting him to move on, and Kreider saying no.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 12, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
let him do what he wants. for god sakes.
calm down. no need to post 10 pictures about it buck.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
As I said above, I posted the pics to have a little fun with it, rather then just rattling off players names and stat lines to point out that there is ZERO benefit to hanging around in college if you’re gonna be a top NHL player.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it!!! now can we get first rounders who are ready to play or what!!
we need scoring and skill now not later.. we wanna win the cup in a couple max.. if not sooner if we had a number one scoring line like everyother playoff team!!! hahhaa
i hope hes good but?? generally our first rounders are really 7th.. and our 7th rounders become.. our first second round picks.. go figure… is there a islander or former devil doing our scouting or maybe we need guys who dont wear glasses that are too thick!!!
what!!!! trade thomas... are you crazy the guys our best scoring prsospect and you wanna trade haahhah
if anyone i would give up kreider or bourque.. but… sorry unless there proven talent like crosby. stamkos.. malikn.. spezza,, kane.. eric stall skinner material.. i would stand pat these kids have talent.. there fathers were grereat players and im sure taught them well. and if they could be better or as good as theri dads they will be great players and perfect pieces for our future and stanley cup chamionships down the road.
it kind of derailed didnt it?
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
i know i joke about the BSB Mental Institution
but this is starting to worry me
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
by Kevin Power on Apr 12, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lmaooo
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yeah.. some pictures.. and some hatred.. and some talking to self exhibits..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Yes, better idea is to deny it's happening
Just tell ourselves the Rangers and Gordie Clark BEGGED him to stay in school and continue his development. We spent a first round pick on this kid. Anytime there’s a suggestion of giving up first round picks for offer sheets, we hear cries about how we can’t, because we need those players. This is a kid who could care less about what we need, and what is tradionally the best path for player development, because HE’D prefer to play where HE wants.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you Buckaroo. I don’t think some people are quite getting it. Good for him that he wants to stay in school and get an education. But why don’t we say the same ‘good for him’ when someone signs a huge contract but doesn’t produce? They want him to join the organization and start producing.
The Rangers used a 1st draft pick on him.They have a vested interest in his development. It’s like they hired him for a job while still in school and are politely asking him to take specific courses to prepare himself for the job they want to hire him for. And he is choosing not to.
I am not saying there is a right or a wrong here, just a what it is. Not a good sign if you are a Ranger Fan. If I was Krieder’s Father, ok maybe different story, but I’m not and am looking at this from an Ranger Organization perspective.
You could also expand on this a bit and say it shows the type of character you are dealing with. Someone who will put themselves before the organization but it might be a bit premature….still can’t help but thinking it.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Apr 13, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
As a guy who played through college, and grew up wanting to be a hockey player, I can’t understand it. You get the offer to set yourself towards, what should be, every young hockey players dream – The NHL – and you say no. Every level you move up, the talent level gets better and the number of spaces get smaller. Being “good” or “fast” or any other talent alone isn’t enough. You have to want it more too. This isn’t showing me the he wants it.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 13, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well in his defense he didn’t really have the standard hockey upbringing. didn’t he just kinda fall into it late? Seems it was something he was just good at, not necessarily a hearts desire.
Maybe its just immaturity. That is not a good thing but it can be outgrown. But it bothers me too that he just doesn’t ‘want it’ it sooo bad..a Messier he will never be.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Apr 13, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
a Messier he will never be
Couldn’t have voiced my frustration better if I Yoda’d it myself :)
by BuckarooClub on Apr 14, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Kreider WAS a late bloomer
But once you get an invite to the show, why pass it down?
by BuckarooClub on Apr 14, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish Kreider
played juniors rather than NCAA… players in Juniors seems to be light years ahead of most of the players that come out of college… plus theres the yah know i need to complete my degree stuff that doesn’t occur in the canadian junior leagues…
@clalicata17
I won't totally knock the NCAA's
I think if you’re projecting to be a top NHL player, you shouldn’t be there for more then two years. For an American born player, hoping to be a top NHL player, who wants to stay in the states, I think a couple years in USHL when you’re 16-17, followed by 2 years of NCAA hockey isn’t a bad path. Getting SOME ’junior hockey" in before you go pro is a big help. Going from short HS seasons, to short college seasons, to 70 games (sometimes 5 in a week) in the AHL is a big jump.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 13, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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