Scoring Chances for Playoff Game 4 vs Washington
I'm going to switch things up this time, and lead with the individual chances rather than the head to head. Some reminders for the chart below. First, the definition of the scoring chance again:
A scoring chance is defined as a clear play directed toward the opposing net from a dangerous scoring area – loosely defined as the top of the circle in and inside the faceoff dots, though sometimes slightly more generous than that depending on the amount of immediately-preceding puck movement or screens in front of the net. Blocked shots are generally not included, but missed shots are. A player is awarded a scoring chance anytime he is on the ice and someone from either team has a chance to score. He is awarded a "chance for" if someone on his team has a chance to score and a "chance against" if the opposing team has a chance to score.
Secondly, an 'assist' in this context is defined as any pass that leads directly to a scoring chance. This would include shots that are deflected and/or redirected on goal, but does not include shots that lead to a rebound opportunity. Finally, 'COG' indicates those scoring chances that result in a shot on goal.
| NYR | Chance | Assist | COG | WSH | Chance | Assist | COG |
| Avery | 1 | 0 | 1 | Arnott | 2 | 0 | 1 |
| Boyle | 2 | 0 | 2 | Backstrom | 2 | 1 | 2 |
| Dubinsky | 3 | 1 | 3 | BGordon | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Fedotenko | 1 | 2 | 0 | Bradley | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| Gaborik | 7 | 0 | 5 | Carlson | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| Gilroy | 2 | 0 | 1 | Chimera | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| McCabe | 0 | 2 | 0 | Fehr | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Prospal | 1 | 1 | 0 | Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Prust | 0 | 2 | 0 | Hendricks | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Stepan | 0 | 1 | 0 | Johansson | 3 | 1 | 3 |
| Laich | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||
| Ovechkin | 4 | 1 | 2 | ||||
| Semin | 3 | 1 | 2 | ||||
| Sturm | 1 | 0 | 0 | ||||
| TOTALS | 17 | 9 | 12 | TOTALS | 23 | 11 | 18 |
The name that instantly stands out on the list is Marian Gaborik. He had seven scoring chances in the game, easily the most of either team and the highest output of the season for him. (his previous high was 6, registered twice). He has [deservedly] taken a lot of heat for the gaffe at the end, but he was the only person to muster a quality shot in the OT periods. Combined with his linemates, Brandon Dubinsky and Ruslan Fedotenko, they produced 65% of the chances for the New York Rangers.
Overall, as has been the custom in this series, the Washington Capitals had more chances in the game. This time, however, it was the result of the 3rd period, and especially the OTs. More on that after the jump.
Unlike in previous games, I've broken the head to head charts down into sections. The first chart here is the 1st and 2nd periods:
For 40 minutes, the Rangers could really do no wrong. Bryan McCabe and Matt Gilroy had their struggles, but overall the team had an edge in chances regardless of the matchup, really for the first time all series. Then, the 3rd period started:
From the 3rd period through the overtimes, the Capitals' depth really did a number on this Rangers team. Artem Anisimov's line was able to keep events at a minimum at least, but Dubinsky and Brian Boyle's lines were overrun by every line the Caps iced. The total head to head looked like this:
Not surprisingly, the other breakdowns show a similar disparity in play:
| 1st/2nd | 3rd/OT | Total | ||||||
| WSH | NYR | WSH | NYR | WSH | NYR | |||
| Transition | 2 | 6 | 9 | 2 | 11 | 8 | ||
| Zone Pressure | 4 | 4 | 3 (2) | 2 | 7 (2) | 6 | ||
| Dzone Turnover | 0 | 1 | 5 (2) | 0 | 5 (2) | 1 | ||
| Off. Faceoffs | 0 | 2 (2) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 (2) | ||
Over the first two periods, the Rangers effectively shutdown the Washington transition game, which has been the primary source of their offense. Not only that, but for the first time in the series the Rangers found a transition game of their own, getting multiple chances. Then the 3rd period came around, and Washington found their game again. In particular, they were able to force a lot turnovers from the young defense (and older sniper), and the mistakes led to goals.
| 1st/2nd | 3rd/OT | Total | ||||||
| WSH | NYR | WSH | NYR | WSH | NYR | |||
| Zone 1 | 3 | 5 (1) | 8 (4) | 0 | 11 (4) | 5 (1) | ||
| Zone 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | ||
| Zone 3 | 0 | 4 (1) | 4 | 1 | 4 | 5 (1) | ||
| Zone 4 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | ||
Lastly, the same story comes in relation to where the chances are from. (Map here) The Rangers were able to attack from all angles for two periods, and then Washington came out and pushed play, taking away any chances from directly around Michal Neuvirth, and forcing their way to the front of Henrik Lundqvist, created the giant momentum ball that pushed the series away from a deadlock and toward the 3-1 hole the Rangers find themselves in now.
All told, the Rangers finally played at their best, but could only sustain it for 2/3 of the game. To win game 5, they'll need it for the full 60.
Raw Data here:
Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 30114
| Team | Period | Time | Note | NYR | Opponent |
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| WSH | 1 | 18:30 | Laich, Bradley | 20 | 21 | 28 | 30 | 42 | 97 | 10 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 1 | 12:57 | Avery, Prust | 5 | 8 | 16 | 22 | 27 | 30 | 4 | 18 | 23 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 1 | 12:18 | Arnott, Ovechkin Defl | 5 | 17 | 18 | 23 | 30 | 8 | 21 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 52 | 4v5 | |
| NYR | 1 | 9:40 | Gaborik, McCabe Defl | 10 | 17 | 21 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 21 | 23 | 30 | 52 | 90 | 5v4 | |
| NYR | 1 | 9:08 | Gaborik | 10 | 17 | 21 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 21 | 23 | 30 | 52 | 90 | 5v4 | |
| WSH | 2 | 19:17 | Sturm | 5 | 10 | 18 | 26 | 30 | 18 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 4v4 | ||
| NYR | 2 | 18:02 | Gilroy Breakaway | 10 | 17 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v4 | |
| NYR | 2 | 15:27 | Gilroy MS | 5 | 17 | 21 | 22 | 30 | 97 | 4 | 18 | 21 | 23 | 30 | 5v4 | |
| NYR | 2 | 13:46 | Prospal MS | 10 | 20 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 86 | 18 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 12:57 | Fedotenko, Dubinsky MS | 5 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 86 | 18 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 2 | 11:39 | Backstrom Rbd | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 21 | 30 | 4 | 8 | 19 | 23 | 25 | 30 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 9:10 | Boyle, Prust | 8 | 16 | 22 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 8 | 25 | 30 | 44 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 6:27 | Dubinsky | 5 | 8 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 30 | 4 | 8 | 23 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 6:21 | Gaborik, Fedotenko Goal | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 25 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 6:14 | Dubinsky, Fedotenko Goal | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 25 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 2:01 | Dubinsky, Stepan | 5 | 17 | 18 | 20 | 21 | 30 | 16 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 2 | 1:51 | Fehr, Johansson | 10 | 17 | 19 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 16 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 2 | 1:11 | Arnott, Semin | 8 | 21 | 22 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 18 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 2 | 0:05 | Gaborik, McCabe MS Defl | 10 | 19 | 20 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 21 | 23 | 30 | 55 | 90 | 5v4 | |
| WSH | 3 | 18:16 | Ovechkin | 5 | 8 | 16 | 18 | 22 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 25 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 17:53 | Backstrom | 5 | 8 | 16 | 18 | 22 | 30 | 8 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 17:15 | Semin | 10 | 17 | 19 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 4 | 18 | 23 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 17:13 | Semin Goal Rbd | 10 | 17 | 19 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 4 | 18 | 23 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 16:18 | Johansson, Laich Goal | 8 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 30 | 38 | 16 | 21 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 15:28 | Green, Backstrom | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 18 | 19 | 23 | 30 | 52 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 3 | 14:19 | Boyle | 8 | 20 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 4 | 18 | 23 | 25 | 30 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 9:59 | Ovechkin MS | 5 | 8 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 30 | 4 | 8 | 21 | 23 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 3 | 7:54 | Johansson, Carlson Goal Defl | 5 | 16 | 18 | 21 | 22 | 30 | 16 | 19 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 3 | 6:03 | Gaborik, Prospal | 10 | 19 | 20 | 26 | 28 | 30 | 18 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v4 | |
| WSH | 4 | 15:05 | Laich | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 4 | 11:33 | Hendricks, Bradley | 20 | 21 | 28 | 30 | 42 | 97 | 16 | 25 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 4 | 11:16 | BGordon, Bradley Defl | 8 | 16 | 22 | 27 | 30 | 38 | 10 | 15 | 23 | 26 | 27 | 30 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 4 | 9:00 | Ovechkin, Laich Breakaway | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 4 | 6:16 | Gaborik MS | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 21 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 4 | 2:50 | Semin | 5 | 18 | 19 | 21 | 30 | 42 | 4 | 18 | 23 | 28 | 30 | 44 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 5 | 18:35 | Ovechkin | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 21 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 5 | 17:58 | Johansson, Chimera | 8 | 16 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 16 | 25 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 90 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 5 | 15:17 | BGordon | 8 | 16 | 22 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 10 | 15 | 26 | 30 | 52 | 55 | 5v5 |
| NYR | 5 | 10:56 | Gaborik | 5 | 10 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 21 | 27 | 30 | 74 | 5v5 |
| WSH | 5 | 7:25 | Chimera Goal | 10 | 17 | 19 | 28 | 30 | 97 | 4 | 16 | 23 | 25 | 30 | 90 | 5v5 |
| # | Player | EV | PP | SH | ||||||
| 5 | D. GIRARDI | 30:01 | 8 | 11 | 4:47 | 1 | 0 | 4:57 | 0 | 1 |
| 8 | B. PRUST | 21:51 | 4 | 8 | 0:43 | 0 | 0 | 1:49 | 0 | 0 |
| 10 | M. GABORIK | 21:04 | 5 | 10 | 7:12 | 5 | 0 | 0:05 | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | S. AVERY | 17:41 | 3 | 8 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | B. DUBINSKY | 22:25 | 7 | 11 | 7:10 | 4 | 0 | 3:42 | 0 | 1 |
| 18 | M. STAAL | 30:34 | 7 | 12 | 1:24 | 0 | 0 | 4:57 | 0 | 1 |
| 19 | R. FEDOTENKO | 20:12 | 5 | 9 | 5:19 | 2 | 0 | 1:21 | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | V. PROSPAL | 20:07 | 3 | 2 | 5:00 | 2 | 0 | 0:05 | 0 | 0 |
| 21 | D. STEPAN | 21:21 | 1 | 6 | 5:59 | 3 | 0 | 0:41 | 0 | 0 |
| 22 | B. BOYLE | 23:16 | 3 | 7 | 5:02 | 4 | 0 | 1:33 | 0 | 0 |
| 23 | C. DRURY | 11:34 | 0 | 0 | 0:17 | 0 | 0 | 3:37 | 0 | 1 |
| 26 | E. CHRISTENSEN | 8:16 | 0 | 1 | 4:39 | 1 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 27 | R. MCDONAGH | 29:52 | 3 | 4 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 2:06 | 0 | 0 |
| 28 | B. MCCABE | 11:52 | 1 | 6 | 8:28 | 5 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 30 | H. LUNDQVIST | 72:31 | 11 | 22 | 13:02 | 6 | 0 | 7:03 | 0 | 1 |
| 38 | M. SAUER | 30:26 | 2 | 5 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 2:06 | 0 | 0 |
| 42 | A. ANISIMOV | 20:07 | 0 | 3 | 0:42 | 0 | 0 | 1:13 | 0 | 0 |
| 86 | W. WOLSKI | 8:42 | 2 | 0 | 0:58 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 97 | M. GILROY | 12:17 | 1 | 6 | 6:38 | 3 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| Period | Totals | EV | PP | 5v3 PP | SH | 5v3 SH | ||||||
| 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | 10 | 4 | 7 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | 2 | 8 | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 4 | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 5 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Totals | 17 | 23 | 11 | 22 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Just really great stuff, George (and I mean the data, effort and presentation… though I’m partial to the story the tell as well, of course).
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George, wow. Excellent content (breakdown of number and data, what their relevance is in how it illustrates the offensive chances throughout Game 4, etc.) Well done sir. Quality stuff.
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Gabby's scoring chances
So, is Gabby leading the team in scoring chances a good thing or a bad thing? At the end of the day, is it a positive that he’s getting chances, or a negative since he’s not converting?
It's a little of both really.
In the long run, more shots = more chances = more goals. So you want him getting as many chances as he can find/generate. For all his struggles, Gaborik still led this team in SOG per game and chances per game, and only Callahan was really close. So in a bad terrible year, he’s still pretty dangerous, which is a positive.
In the short term, especially in a playoff series, it’s a killer when guys like him don’t convert. With 17 chances so far in the series, you’d really want him to have 3 goals already. The Caps are having similar issues with Backstrom, who is on about 25 chances now without a goal (extending back to the reg. season), when he averaged a goal for every 6 during the year.
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by George E. Ays on Apr 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
George, was there any significant change in Gaborik’s underlying numbers this season from the past? Was he facing tougher comp? Weaker teammates? Less PP time/60? More defensive zone starts?
I hadn’t really looked, but jumping around BTN quickly
Zonestarts up from 58.6 to 63.6% this year
Corsi rel comp down from 0.976 to 0.239
Corsi rel team down from 1.042 to 0.401
PP time down from 3.51 to 2.92
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by George E. Ays on Apr 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Also:
ESSOG/60 is up from 9.11 to 9.55, but his total SOG/G are down from 3.5 last year and 3.4 career, to just over 3.0 this year.
Have to blame the PP, me thinks.
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by George E. Ays on Apr 22, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to change subject but…. just got the top 3 vezina finalists and guess what….OUR BOY NOT EVEN TOP 3 SCREWED AGAIN
by Mr. Avery to you on Apr 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thomas 2.00 GAA, .938,
Luongo 2.11 GAA, .928
Rinne 2.12 GAA, .930
Lundqvist 2.28 GAA, .923
Not saying it’s right, but it’s hard to throw a fit when the numbers that most GMs will look at all favor the 3 nominees.
It’s really a 2-man race anyway, whether Price, Lundqvist, or Luongo got the 3rd nod was really just a pride thing.
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by George E. Ays on Apr 22, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I know I just wanted that pride thing after my hearts still broken from the other night lol but thanks for the breakdown…
by Mr. Avery to you on Apr 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IMO, he was god awful in games 1 & 2. He’s been excellent since, yes.
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by George E. Ays on Apr 22, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"He's a wing, not a center"
But his play has improved remarkably at center.
by BuckarooClub on Apr 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The stats might not show it
but i think that Fedetenko has been the best rangers forwards in terms of his hustle and how well he’s been playing in both ends
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He made one of the best defensive plays of the series. Back checking a two on one (Ovi and Carlson I think) that he broke up with a sliding stick check and then managed to keep the loose puck from ending up on a Caps’ stick. And the pass he made to Gabby in Game 4 was pretty sweet.
He’s the Ranger that has stuck out for me.
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Ovechkin – good player, I’ll give them that. Overrated? Yes. Can he be shut down? Yes. Dirty? Definitely. But a good player.
Semin – good wrist shot, head case, takes stupid penalties, doesn’t know what backchecking is.
Backstrom – invisible.
Knuble – should be in a nursing home.
Some things can’t be measured with stats: heart, balls, intestinal fortitude, whatever you want to call it. We have all those things, they do not. Rangers in 7.
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+100000000000000000 BALLS
by Mr. Avery to you on Apr 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You pretty much nailed it with your player breakdown except, in my opinion, Knuble. He is a 20+ goal scorer for 7 straight years. Yeah, he is older, but consistent and with the other type of players the Capitals have, they need someone like him.
And do you really think that a team with no heart, intestinal fortitude, or whatever you want to call it would come back from a 3-0 deficit to start the 3rd to a team that is one of the best, if not the best, at holding a lead in the final period? Especially after the type of period that the Rangers had in the 2nd. If the Capitals didn’t have heart, they would have called it a game and just said “get ’em next game” (which, I think we can all agree, probably would not have happened.)
I don’t deny the Rangers don’t possess those qualities as well — in fact, I think they are one of the most hard-working teams in the league. They are quite young and I can see them being a force to be reckoned with for the next several years.
by julanow on Apr 22, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Knuble – falling apart, won’t even play Saturday.
Ranger’s youth led to 3rd period breakdown. Learned valuable lesson, which they will put to use immediately by smacking the Caps around for a full 60 Saturday.
One more thing about Semin, he fights like a girl.
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Your argument for Knuble is pretty weak. Judging by that, Callahan should be in a nursing home too because he isn’t playing. Knuble is injured, he didn’t break his hip or anything.
So the Capitals heart had nothing to do with the breakdown? I agree they broke down, but the Capitals had something to do with it — things like that just don’t happen on their own.
And you’re right, he does fight like a girl. Couldn’t help but crack up watching him fight.
Thanks for your honesty, my friend!
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by Joe1969 on Apr 22, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with Knuble per se, just saying he’s old, and his fossil-like face accentuates that fact. He’s a good player.
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by Joe1969 on Apr 22, 2011 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
I wouldnt call Alex Ovechkin “Overrated” he’s one of the top three players in the league, i also wouldn’t call him dirty…borderline yes, but not dirty.
Backstom and Semin have been two of the Caps best forwards this series and are getting more noticeable every game
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Backstrom – 0 goals, 1 assist, a -1.
Ovi leaves his feet every other hit. Beneficiary of weak calls cause he’s a poster boy.
Caps fans are good people, but they are very nervous right now, for good reason.
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but his talent isn’t “overrated” show me one player that has his combination of speed, strength and size along with a better wrist shot then yes i will call him overrated
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Not saying he isn’t talented, don’t disagree on attributes you list, but until he takes the Caps beyond the second round and helps his team actually win something, Crosby has him beat.
And yes, Crosby has a face like a donkey and whines like a bitch, but he also has two Finals appearances, a Cup, and a Gold medal.
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i agree
Crosby does have ovi beat until he wins something other than individual awards and yes Datsyuk is the best two way player
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Crosby has him beat because there isn’t a hockey player on earth who’s better than Crosby right now. As you’ve seen, the Pens are a pretty good team even when their two best players don’t take the ice. You could have stuck Crosby on any other team at the Olympics and the Canadian squad still would have been prohibitive favorites.
Using team success to measure individual ability is just silly. Ben Eager won a Cup, that makes him better than Ovechkin, right? Of course not. AO was the clear best player in the league from 2007-2009, but Crosby’s assumed the mantle, and it has nothing to do with team achievements.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 22, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who watched 24/7 could see Crosby is a leader who makes his teammates better whereas Ovechkin is in his own world and sulks when the going gets rough. I’m sure the language barrier has something to do with that, so it’s not really his fault.
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by Joe1969 on Apr 22, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We’re watching different Caps teams. “Good Semin” is the best two-way forward on the team, which is saying a lot since James Mirtle had Brooks Laich on his Selke ballot.
Some things can’t be measured with stats: heart, balls, intestinal fortitude, whatever you want to call it. We have all those things, they do not. Rangers in 7.
Nah, I think you can measure those things to an extent. Try blocks, or hits, or vomiting frequency.
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by red army line on Apr 23, 2011 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
How great is Ovi really?
I think Ovi is over-rated also. I don’t think he plays dirty but he can be border line sometimes. I think he can be fun to watch but he has no where the skill level as people like Crosby. I would like to see just how good he is at other sports, put on a pair of Nike Mercurial Superfly cleats and see if after running back and forth on the soccer field a couple of times if he isn’t out of breathe.
umm…. sure.
id like to see renaldo and drogba and messi and rooney on skates.
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"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Somehow, someway, get this thing back to MSG
How will we come out at faceoff tomorrow? It could be the difference in the game if we fall behind early or if we take an early lead. Somehow, someway, get this series back to MSG and I’m telling you boys, we have a chance.
-Jonny B

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