Rangers Report Card: Marian Gaborik
Ah, the curious case of Marian Gaborik. After having a career year in his first season with the Rangers in 2009-10, the bar was set very high for the Slovakian Sniper heading into 2010-11. Unfortunately, an inexplicable transformation occurred between the two seasons and Marian, now re-named to the "Slovakian Slacker", did not find the net as easily as he did the prior season when he scored 42 goals in 76 games. Actually, that is probably putting it lightly since he lit the lamp twenty less times this year as opposed to last. Gaborik went from king to peon, and that didn't go over very well with the fan base.
Gaborik missed a fourth of the season due to injury, only playing in 62 of the team's 82 games. An injured shoulder in October and then a concussion in February kept him out for a total of twenty games, so whether you want to put the blame on being out of the lineup for Marian's drop in production is up to you, but personally, I don't believe it was the time spent out of the lineup with injury that affected him. It was the time he spent in the lineup with injury that gave him problems, and although neither he nor the Rangers actually ever came out and confirmed it, I think it was quite evident that Gabby was playing through an injury for most of the season.
We won't get into speculating what that injury was or anything like that, because that would just be wasting time. But clearly Gaborik did not have the same explosiveness in his stride nor the same lightning wrist-shot he did last season. That doesn't just happen because of a "lack of motivation" or a "hollow heart" like so many claimed. There was something more to it, but we were never told exactly what.
Others blamed head coach John Tortorella's system for Gaborik's flimsy 22 goals and 48 points this season, and I think that certainly had something to do with it. Gaborik is a player that thrives on creativity and puck possession in the slot area. That is where he excels since he has that quick snap-shot that is extremely difficult for a goaltender to stop when it is coming from in close. But this year Tortorella implemented a grinding system where the puck possession took place along the boards and in behind the net, instead of right up the gut, and as Marian stated himself, it did not compliment his game.
In this system, Gaborik didn't have the puck as much, there were less scoring opportunities presented to him, and most of all there was not much room for him to create. There was only one offensive approach on this team and that was to earn the "dirty" goals. There really were no other options and for Gaborik, someone who likes to score the "pretty" goals, it gave him some trouble adjusting to.
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Obviously there were many things factoring into Marian's struggles this season, but the bottom-line is that he did not give the Rangers what they needed. Now you may claim that 20-plus goals scored is not all that bad, but when you take a deeper look into his season statistics, you realize that it actually is.
For example, of the 62 games Gaborik played in this season, he only scored in 14 of them. That is about a 23-percent scoring rate, when in 2009-10 he found the back of the net in 46-percent of the games he played in. Ironically, that is exactly double, or half depending on the way you look at it.
Also, when you take into consideration the games he scored 3 goals or more in this season, you will find that 10 of his goals were scored in just three different games. 11 of his 22 goals were scored in just four different games, which means half of his season tallies came in only 6-percent of the games he played in.
Yes, I was a bit calculator happy when writing this piece, but hopefully it gives you a better idea of just how much of a decline in scoring there was for Gaborik from one season to the next.
I will say this about Gaborik, though. He played better towards the end of the season, and I think it was because he was feeling better overall. He looked healthier out there, as his skating was improved, he controlled the puck more and also was looking to take the shot often. This also was the case in the playoffs, despite the fact that he finished with only 2 points in five games and also helped the Capitals win Game 4 in double overtime. This should give him the slightest bit of hope for the next season, if anything at all.
While Gaborik works in the offseason to guarantee better production in 2010-11, GM Glen Sather will also be working the phones to try and give his most talented forward a little help up the middle. The organization as a whole is confident they will reel in a center for Gaborik over the summer, specifically unrestricted free agent Brad Richards, so we can only pray that also makes an impact on Gaborik for next year.
At the end of the day, this was a season Gaborik will want to put behind him and forget. For a $7.5 million player, 22 goals is not going to cut it, especially when we've seen what he is capable of doing the year before. He was a major disappointment this season, and even more so because we had such high hopes for him going in. But just as Marian should, we should put this behind us and look towards a better performance next season. Gaborik still has three years remaining on his contract with the Rangers, and the best-case scenario for him at this point would be if this past year is his worst on Broadway.
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I also bought into the “injury” notion except for when Torts said after the season that Gaby needed to “re-commit” next season and Gaby has played in the Worlds like he has no injury. Someone mentioned it on Michael’s blog that maybe Gaby should wear his home country’s jersey when he plays for the Rangers. I’m sick of watching this guy under performing, scoring all his goals against the bottom 4 teams in the league, and begging out of shootouts not to mention a lack of clutch goals. Play like the elite player your supposed to be (and paid like) for God’s sakes. Should have traded him when they had the chance. Too late now.
When I said the same thing, “trade high”, people pounced on me like a fox on a rabbit. It really actually pisses me off that he’s playing in the Worlds when he’s so injury prone. Why isn’t he in rehabilitation for all of these ghostly “injuries.” Personally, I just think he’s soft…soft along the boards, soft on the puck. Yea, so now we need to bring in another soft playmaker in Richards just to make him not have to work? This isn’t going to end well. I’m all for loyalty, and I know it’s something we’ve lacked in the past, but I’ll tell you, not demoting Drury and giving Cally or Dubi the “C” came back to haunt the Rangers. We need an on ice center of gravity.
I think you and I were on the same page since way back when on this. it’s very simple, even with Richards in the fold it doesn’t guarantee that Gaby stays on the ice long enough to make an impact. Gaby’s soft and avoids contact like the plague because he doesn’t want to get hurt again. the best thing we can hope for is that Richards comes here and the 2 of them light it up. it has to be done now while the King is young enough and can play at a high level, hence the 3-5 year window.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Richards will work with just about anyone, and probably would fit really well with Dubinsky-Callahan, if Gaborik were to get hurt.
I know the primary reason is for Gaborik, but there’s a lot of upside aside from him to the Richards’ signing.
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I’m know you’re talking about a situation where Gaborik gets injured.
But let’s just say if they sign Richards while disposing of Gaborik, and make Dubi-Richards-Cally the de facto first line do you think they’d still be thin on the 2nd line? I’m as big of a believer in Anisimov as you are, but is he ready to anchor a 2nd line with unproven wingers?
I’m of the belief that Richards makes sense only if Gaborik is on the team.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that and that’s why I like MZA-Richards-Gaby and Dubi-AA-Cally as the first 2 lines. AA would be lost without Dubi and Cally (and he needs to put on at least 10 lbs for next year).
agreed, except replace mza with prospal :)
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nah, Prospal is done and way too slow. it was painful going to games and seeing how he couldn’t keep up with the pace of the game. mark my words, if MZA gets a chance he will do well. 42 NHL games does not a career make, right Mr. St. Louis?
Fair point. Thats a very vey finesse line, but with all the speed and skill they would be fun to watch. What happens when the puck goes into the corners though?
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I don’t believe for a second Anisimov would be “lost” without D and C. Anisimov’s assignments would be alot lighter away from those two, and given a more offensive role, it would probably benefit him.
He would need wings though. MZA is fine, but it’s another situation where it would benefit to have Wolski still around.
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Frustrating season for him.. and those watching him.
I admit being overly harsh on the guy at times this season. He’s a world class talent and will be better next season (if healthy), more so if playing with Richards. Watching Richards passing ability on odd man rushes and thinking about Gabby being on the receiving end of those puts blood in it for me. I think adding a top line player to share lime light and responsibility for generating goals will be huge for him.
That said, if I’m Sather and LA comes calling for Gabby with a package that can be swung into a three way trade with a comparable NHL type talent coming back to the Rangers, I’d probably listen. Only way I can see him pulling trigger is if he’s sold on idea that Gabby can excel in Torts system or has other issues office (Gomez syndrome) that makes moving him attractive.
My guess, Gabby comes back and plays with Richards.. Plays in 70 games, scores 40 goals (not all against Toronto, Oilers, Islanders) and puts this year behind him. If you look at his career stats, the injury bug is what bites his production. But he normally rebounds the next year.
Is he playing at the World Championships? Thought I saw his name scroll across for Slovakia game update, would have thought he’d take some time off.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on May 10, 2011 6:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
not only playing in the Worlds but playing like he should from what I read. That and Torts comments about Gaby after the season really piss me off quite honestly. $7.5M per, the commitment should be automatic (at any salary level for that matter).
That says more about Torts “system” than about Gabby’s commitment. It means he is not injured and has the ability but Torts is not allowing it to flourish. The grind system is fine but as a couch you need to be aware of your talent’s strengths and weaknesses. If that means Gabby’s line plays a different style than the 2nd-4th line then so be it.
I tend to think the grind it out system was an effective system for the Rangers to use to make up for their lack of front end talent.
I also think that the best teams employ a variety of styles based on upon their talent mix. The Wings have their skill guys play puck possession, but they also have guys like Cleary, Helm and in earlier years Draper/Maltby to muck it up when need be. Last year’s Hawks team had a great blend of styles.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone clamoring for the Rangers to play a different style than they do makes me wonder what players they are watching when the Rangers play. you can’t play a “skilled game” if you don’t have “skilled players.” and my point is that it’s not about goals but hustle, etc. when I go to the games and I see Gaby gliding around like he’s out for a Sunday skate or playing like he’s hurt when he’s not bothers me. Especially at $7.5M per. I’m funny that way.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao. Agreed. If we bring in Richards than I’m sure Torts will let him and Gaborik play more of a skilled game, with the Pack line and Boyle line playing more of a grinding game.
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If Richards comes in, it’s almost a must that Dubinsky plays with him, unless Wolski is still around.
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think that Wolski would almost certainly have to go in order for Richards to come in. The favorable economics of buying him out make him an easy cap casualty.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
His status depends almost entirely on Drury, IMO. You’re probably right, but it’s not a sure thing.
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Drury retiring is most ideal situation, since even if he waived his NMC, his cap hit makes him virtually untradeable and I don’t think they would have enough cap room to sign Richards with Drury’s full cap hit on the books given how the cap rules during the summer (with the caveat that Redden hasn’t voided his contract).
I tend to believe that there will either be multiple buy outs such as Drury, Wolski and maybe Avery or none at all.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess well see. If Drury could retire that would be ideal. It would cancel out Richards cap hit, and we would be able to resign out “core” and keep the team intact.
Maybe also bring in another winger if possible, well see.
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I say give MZA a try at LW (he has the skill to play with Richards and Gaby) and LEAVE THE PACK LINE ALONE, lol.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, and I would absolutely love that line, but IDK with Torts. Will see. Maybe a 2nd line of prospal-aa-cally if we bring prospal back?
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and my point is that it’s not about goals but hustle, etc. when I go to the games and I see Gaby gliding around like he’s out for a Sunday skate or playing like he’s hurt when he’s not bothers me. Especially at $7.5M per. I’m funny that way.
Yeah but goals are how the game is won or lost. I liked the hustle of this year’s team but looking at the Cup winners and even the finalists of the past several seasons they had an abundance of skill. And Torts remarked several times throughout the season that they needed him (and other skilled players) to score “skill player” goals.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m trying to be kind but I totally agree with you. he’s here for one reason: to score goals. preferably clutch goals, not “Kevin McReynolds” goals (goals that don’t mean anything). but I would feel better if he displayed the explosive skating that we know he has. he’s doing it now in the Worlds so what does that tell you?
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the WCs provide that great competition outside of the top teams playing against each other. Plus the larger ice surface certainly helps him out more.
My main issue is that he scored plenty of meaningful goals in his 42 goal season. Many nights he was the only player to create offense. This season it didn’t happen nearly as often. It was frustrating to watch but I think the guy has enough of a track record to indicate that he can be a highly effective player when he’s healthy and on his game. If he screws the pooch next year then it’s probably appropriate to question whether he fits in on the team and can play in NY. But one poor year shouldn’t tarnish his body of work as an elite NHL player.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
as I remind people this decline started after Feb, 2010. he scored a large # of goals prior to Feb, 2010 in the 2009/10 season. maybe teams were focusing more on him but when has teams not focused on him going back to Minny?
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He had 17 points over the final 18 post-Olympic games.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes I know but look at the goal % by month. they went down drastically.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Assists count too in terms of productivity. As an extreme example, I’d rather have a 0 goal 100 assist player than a 50 goal 0 assist player.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. listen, it kills me (and others I’m sure) that he played this way this past year. if he were anywhere near what he should be then the Caps don’t get to the 2nd round. simple as that.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely concede that he had a lousy season and he needed to be better.
Coincidentally the Caps are a great example of having your most skilled player play well but even everyone else on the team can’t or doesn’t pull their weight then it can also sink your team. It kills me to see that Ovechkin gets a disproportionate amount of the blame for the Caps failures. His playoff production speaks for itself.
The playoffs are all about having everyone on the team contribute.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the Rangers already play a playoff style of play. so if they get Richards and an Erhoff or Wisniewski or even Pitkinin then I think they can seriously contend as long as the King stays healthy.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I’m against net loss trades like Gaborik, Dubi, Kreider + for Nash. While Nash may dominate, whats beneath him?
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thats just dumb aa can turn into another keith primeau and zukes is gonna be another ziggy palffy type of player to soon to give up on both of them yet.
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For those who are uninformed Stastny can easily be a better acquisition than Richards as he will be 26 by the end of this year and he’s locked up for at least 4 more years at $6.2M per. He’s an elite C and would be perfect for the rangers so check your facts before you make a comment like that. Not to mention that AA needs to put on 10 more lbs before he will be anywhere near a better than average player as he gets knocked off the puck way too easily. And MDZ is far from being a sure thing.
The long line of second tier prospects we have in our system.
by BuckarooClub on May 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That strategy really hasn’t worked will for teams, especially in the playoffs. We need a supporting class. I understand the need for stars, I really do, but I also understand the need for a deep team to support them.
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To Clarify
You asked above
While Nash may dominate, whats beneath him?
My reply was “The long line of second tier prospects we have in our system”. We are THICK in the “beneath” part, and those are the prospects that are easy to reload. We’ve gotta get top line talent though.
by BuckarooClub on May 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
once again
Rick Nash, 27-66pts in 75 games
B. Dubinsky, 25-54 pts in 77 games
theres a gap in points production but youre nuts if you think trading dubs kreider and others for nash is a good move
October and November 2009 – 21 goals, 25 games (0.84 goals per game), 22.6% shooting (completely unsustainable)
December, Jan, and February – 14 goals, 33 games (.42 gpg) 11.2% shooting (below career average)
March, April 2010 – 7 goals, 18 games (.38 gpg), 12.9% shooting (right around career)
The biggest difference between the Feb 2010 border is that his shots per game dropped from around 3.78 in D-F to 3.00 over the last two months, which has now carried over (he was at 3.09 shots per game this year).
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you George, our resident stat guy, lol. I had looked at it a while ago when I was suggesting he get traded back in Dec, 2010, lol.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest question to the trade Gaborik camp is “trade him for who?” Especially now coming off his worst season and the injury concerns have emerged again.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I wanted to trade him last December and to LA for a package starting with Schenn. Look at my post on December 23rd. it’s too late now.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
To my knowledge, I don’t think Schenn has ever been in the discussion with LA. I mentioned earlier in the thread that they’re looking for Schenn and Kopitar to become the 1C and 2C combo that many of the better teams in the league have. Plus after this off-season they won’t really have a lot of excess cap room to fit in Gaborik due to the contract that Doughty should get.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LA tried to sign Gaby when we did so there was an attraction already. LA needs a sniper and Gaby would have fit perfectly with Kopitar.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a big difference between signing someone for “only” money vs giving up one of your most prized prospects to trade for a player. And from what I remember reading the Kings didn’t want to sign Gaborik for as long as 5 years.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing guaranteed but it didn’t have to be Schenn either. LA has a slew of young players and prospects. of course some of them are now in Edmonton via the Penner trade. it was just a thought at the time. Dustin Brown can play for me anytime and he would have fit into the rangers style very nicely. unless the Rangers get a true playmaking #1 center then Gaby is totally miscast on this team.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown had 6 more goals and 9 more points in 20 more games this season. And had 2 points in 6 playoff games.
I like the guy too, he’s just a bigger version of Callahan.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
but he fits the rangers style of play. of course more than Brown would have to come. at the time Teubert and Forbert could have been talked about as well. there’s another young prospect in LA who’s name escapes me right now.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers style of play got them to exceed their talent level, but it still got them to barely an 8th seed and a 5 game playoff ouster.
I understand that the youngsters will probably get better, but I think if you trade Gaborik then you’re essentially trading away the rest of Lundqvist’s prime as well. Offensively the team will be full of very raw players. Consider that few players come into the league and make a true impact as rookies I wouldn’t expect any of the prospects the Rangers to get in return to make a significant impact for at least 2 if not 3 seasons.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if you’re talking right now the best thing they can do is get Richards and hope the King stays healthy so they can compete for the Cup in the next 3-5 years. That’s why signing Richards is worth the risk. the core is not good enough on their own.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to clarify, you’re proposing signing Richards to compliment Gaborik?
Lundqvist staying healthy obviously is a factor in any discussion involving contention in the near future.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and to help the PP. Signing Richards kills 2 birds with one stone, IMO. either signing Richards or trading for someone like Stastny. getting an elite center is a must or we will have more of the same (barely making the playoffs). and an offensive D (to add). I think we are 2 talented players away from really competing.
I think they could be within reaching distance with a top notch center. I’d still like Del Zotto to get a crack at the offensive D position, but even if he rebounds it wouldn’t hurt having another one.
Also factor in that a number of the better teams in the conference may have to be disassembled due to cap constraints.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the east is weak and I would rather not have to rely on MDZ but rather have him as a surprise contributor. I want one of Erhoff, Wisnewski, or Pitkinin, in that order of preference.
With Staal, Girardi, Sauer and McD, a player like Ehrhoff would essentially round out the defense with MDZ most likely being up.
Thats a very good defense. If Drury retires, I’d be willing to sign Richards and one of the three you mentioned above.
Most of the team would be intact, and we would just have to figure out who would be the third line wingers. Prospal,Wolski, MZA, Thomas, Avery, Feds would all be possibilities.
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I would absolutely love to have Brown on this team. Simmonds is also a bottom 6 guy that would fit well here.
Gaborik for Brown and Simmonds? Done. :) Cap hits are definitely very manageable as well.
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really?
i would still take gabby over those two, bad season or not. we dont need another callahan, we need skill, its definitely one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle missing
I would agree, but if Torts continues to keep the grind, and he wont let players play skill games (not saying he will next year, but he might) than its better to acquire players who fit within the system.
Plus, Brown has A LOT of skill.
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BTW, I do agree hat the initial pace was not sustainable.
by Richter1994 on May 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure you paid attention to the crux of his argument
The grind system is fine but as a couch you need to be aware of your talent’s strengths and weaknesses. If that means Gabby’s line plays a different style than the 2nd-4th line then so be it.
That system did not work for Gaborik. You can’t expect the same results from a player if he’s not playing to his talents.
As a coach, Tortorella did a good job getting the team to buy into and commit to the system.
As a coach, Tortorella failed to produce a power play unit that played with any level of consistency and effectiveness.
And as a coach, he failed to put Gaborik in the position to be successful.
Those are the things that Torts needs to work on in the offseason.
Very fair assessment. Teams such as Detroit allow different lines to play different styles. It lets each player play in their optimal system and its much more difficult to defend for other teams.
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Moshe, do you really expect Torts to have different lines playing different styles when he plays line roulette constantly? Do you think the players would even know what line they’re on at any given time for this to work? If he finally kept lines consistent, I don’t see why not… but this is Torts we’re talking about here…
I agree. Thats why I only suggested that it works well for some teams, not that Torts will do it.
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IF he actually stuck to lines
There were two lines that benefited from the system this past season
Dubinsky- Anisimov- Callahan
Avery/ Fedotenko- Boyle- Prust
I believe that anyone who played with Gaborik (e.g. Christensen and Stepan) would have benefited from something else, as would have the Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello line.
Going forward, I don’t see why Torts would mess with the Boyle line, so he can have then strictly adhering to the forechecking system. Dubinksy may bump up to play with Gaborik (regardless of whether Richards signs), and I see Anisimov still centering Callahan— both of those guys also benefit from the forechecking system. I think it helps Anisimov to learn to use his size more.
Having a line of young players/ prospects (Stepan, Zuccarello, Hagelin, Grachev, etc) play a more skilled system benefits the Rangers in both the short and long terms.
Gaborik has a NTC, so the trade speculation which I believe was first floated by Larry Brooks, was little more than someone wanting to ship out a struggling high profile player as per the whims of the New York fanbase.
LA isn’t really an option, they have a lot of free agents they will probably retain, first and foremost Drew Doughty. They aren’t giving up Brayden Schenn. They’ve handled him with kid gloves in the hopes of forming a great 1C/2C combo that most of the top teams out West have.
I do agree that other top line talent will help him. He’s not a puck carrier and for all his talents he’s not great at one on one situations. But he’s lethal on loose pucks in scoring areas and bang bang plays below the hash marks. Too many times this year it was easy for the D to squeeze him off into the boards and take away his shooting lane.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think 1 season where the team was decimated with injuries and juggled lines furiously, should not decide Gaborik’s value. Prospal was Gaborik’s line mate during Gabby’s career year for example. And he set career marks in his first season on Broadway, that alone is impressive enough to give him a reprieve from a season in which we didn’t know who was going to play on what line game in game out, let alone shift in shift out.
We had a season filled with injuries, the only thing we can take from it is it gave our younger guys more ice time, moved their development up nicely and gave us some nice surprises in guys like Brian Boyle. But in my opinion, you can’t judge Gaborik on this year.
The reality is, you can’t put just anyone with him, just like you can’t put just anyone with any NHL sniper and expect them to produce at a high level. The moment Tampa Bay put St.Louis with Stamkos he blew up. While an ambitous comparison to say the least, it gives you an idea what I mean.
This in part is what bothers me about Torts. Simply giving him ice time with no set line mates and no set plays that compliment his style in 5 on 5 and the PP, won’t cut it. You can only throw a player under the bus so many times before it becomes evident who is driving that bus.
by Canadian Shield on May 10, 2011 7:03 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed completely. Great post.
IF Gaborik put up 40 goals being set up by Prospal, imagine what he could do a on a line with Prospal and RICHARDS. Lets hope he puts last year behind him and pleasantly surprises us all next year, cause God knows we need him.
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he was hurt
Don’t trade a 40-goal scorer because of one down year—it is self-evident how dumb it is to get rid of such a player. The guy was obviously hurt a lot this year, and actually did a good job staying on the ice considering he had a concussion and a separated shoulder in the same season. His lack of touch on the puck all year long was probably a result of the bum shoulder.
Gaborik’s previous excellence should give him the benefit of the doubt as far as keeping him around for one more year to see if he straightens out. He has earned the right to another chance in the Ranger uniform. Hate who you want, but at least keep your facts straight—40-goal scorers in this era are not players to give up on until they’ve demonstrably proven that they cannot perform at that level anymore.
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not to mention trading him now would get little in return
its the “trade while value is low” theory….
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by feslenraster on May 10, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
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I hope Torts is less stubborn when Gabby's out on the ice
I agreed that its a bit of all of the above on why he struggled this year. And while Gabby should probably work on his game to fit in better here, Torts should probably allow him to fit in and do what he does.
How asinine is it to have Marian Gaborik do the same things that Ryan Callahan does, or at least expect the same out of him?
Overall I think he’ll be better next year. Torts has his system in place so now its time to make some tweaks. I think they’ll get Ricahrds, for better or worse. And Gaborik will be pissed off at the way this season went so he’ll work. I think he’ll be much closer to 2009-10’s totals then this year. If we actually do get Richards he might top it.
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Agreed..
Gaby had an off year that most fans, speculators, Gaby himself? would like to attribute to injury, so hopefully next year he steps up as long as he has a somewhat stable line around him. Obviously Brad Richards seems to be the only solution as a number one center. Personally, I would like to see Prospal come back and play the other wing for Gaborik and #1 center (Richards?). Any chance Prospal gets signed to a 1 or 2 year deal for a paycut?
Also, sidenote, Torts needs to change the system. Maybe not entirely because the dump behind the net needs to be there when there is nowhere else for the player to go with the puck. However, it cannot be his first instinct. Need better passing around the top and movement in the slot to create chances that don’t rely solely on the grind. But, I’m preaching to the choir on this one.
A couple of points from this great read
Yes, I was a bit calculator happy when writing this piece
Awesome line
I think that with Gaby it was a combination of playing in this new system, injury and maybe problems off the ice that forced him to lose his focus. I think that this was just a bad season for him and that next year with certain acquisitions in the offseason Gaby will be back scoring 40+ goals and putting up around 85-100 points
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Lost focus?
This you’re questioning of the same player who over his career has scored near a point per game prior to this season?
maybe something happened off the ice
with family or something that had his focus divided and it caused his play to suffer
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by Kevin Power on May 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Its always possible.
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The only way we’ll know regarding the injury issue is if he rebounds next season. Personally, I don’t think he was injured but rather has motivational issues. The guy doesn’t want to work for goals, evidenced by the fact that a good portion of his scoring was against teams in the bottom quarter of the league. He always looks like he’s moping on the bench. Perhaps him and torts don’t have the greatest working relationship.
Where were the motivational issues when he scored 42 goals in his first season? When he was there only offensive threat for most of that year? In the 2 seasons he’s been in NY he leads the team in goals and points.
Would you say that Ryan Kesler has motivation issues? He scored 8 of his 41 goals this season against teams that made the playoffs.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap. Wow, I had no idea.
Awesome fact about Kesler there,
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So you’re saying it makes sense to average one of his best seasons with one of his worst seasons together and that would imply something? The fact is he had a bad season overall (considering his elite status). My personal opinion is that his relationship with Torts has soured (and that he was not playing through an injury) and he doesn’t appear to be the type of person to battle through that type of emotional adversity based on his on-ice/bench demeanor. Obviously, this is pure speculation.
Not sure what you mean by the Kesler reference. Seems to be the exact opposite of what I’m referring too.
So you’re saying it makes sense to average one of his best seasons with one of his worst seasons together and that would imply something?
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Extrapolating his worst season of his career isn’t really fair when evaluating his future performance. It would make as much sense as extrapolating his best season (first in NY) to justify whether he’ll be worth his contract for the entire term. His career production has shown that injuries have been the reason why he hasn’t produced more. There’s a good chance that he’ll rebound to be a very productive player with an equally strong chance that he’ll miss some time due to injuries over the next 3 years.
Not sure what you mean by the Kesler reference. Seems to be the exact opposite of what I’m referring too.
You tried to correlate his motivational issues/work ethic with only scoring against bottom feeders. Thus, does Kesler scoring almost 80% of his goals this year against non-playoff teams mean that he doesn’t work hard as well?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't want to work for goals?
Gaborik stands in front of the net more than anyone on the team, but no one got him the puck, or put the puck on net in order for him to get the “dirty goals.” The puck was always behing the net or flying past center ice out of the zone.
I agree for the most part. However, it is evident that he’s deathly afraid of contact. Every time he enters the zone he comes up the wing slowly and he loses the puck every time a defender comes within 5 feet of him. Two years ago we saw him create his own goals, and last year we saw none of that.
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I agree that part of the problem is that he didn’t have a setup man that he works well with… but who did he have the year before when he performed so well?
He didn't have to rely on dumping the puck behind the net
Torts always talked about protecting home plate in the Rangers zone.. that trapezoidal area in front of Lundqvist. This is the area he didn’t want the offense creating plays and generating chances.
Now, if he realizes that “home plate” is the area from which most goals are scored, then it would stand to reason that the Rangers would want to occupy and dominate this area in the offensive zone… when you watch then play though, everything was along the boards and behind the net. There was no way that Gaborik could be successful in that system because that’s not where his strengths lie.
As a coach, you have to coach the team, and get them to buy into your system. Tortorella did a great job of that. But the job is to also put your players in the best place to be successful, and he didn’t do that with Gaborik, nor with Zuccarello (and to an extent, Wolski).
While they didn’t dominate in the ol’ home plate area, they got more than enough chances from that area (at least according to my counts). Gaborik still led the team in that area as well.
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by George E. Ays on May 10, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
most fans don’t realize that the Rangers got more than their share of scoring chances, they just couldn’t FINISH.
and were not talking about the country
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Injuries?
I would have a much easier time buying into the injury theory if he didn’t go to the WC’s. I understand it was in his home country and all, but if you’re really hurting you need to take the time off for the sake of the team that signs your paycheck. Maybe the shoulder injury contributed to his slow start but scoring in 14 out of 62 games overall is unacceptable for a man with his talent. I think his struggle has much more to do with the system implemented this year by Torts. I haven’t seen any of Slovakia’s games but from what I read Gaborik has played well. I just watched the highlights of every goal he scored in 09-10 and at least 11 were wristshots or snapsnaps from the slot or circle that beat the goalie clean. 9 of the highlights didn’t load so it could be more. What I noticed more though was the room in front of the net. He can find space inside when the defense is spread out but all year long this season, teams clamped down in front and the offense couldn’t find holes. I think the top line should play a more liberal, creative type of game and let the grinders fight for the scrappy goals.
Agreed, but for most of the year we didn’t have enough skill on Gaborik’s line to play a creative type of game. Hopefully with Richards next year (Im almost positive he’ll be here, just worried about the price/length), Torts will give him more freedom.
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Hmmmmmm…….
Wolski-Richards-Gabby
Dubi-Step-Cally
Feds-AA- Your name here
Prust-Boyle-Avery
This doesn’t seem too bad, I like zucc but he needs to pick up his game and get stronger to be here full time, carrying him for the purposes of his insane shootout prowess is not going to cut it IMO. I would not mind seeing Avery play with Gabby and Richards. He elevates his game when he is skating with Gabby. Wolski could shift to the 3rd line then and any of the serious Wolfpack/Whale candidates could play on the 4th.
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swap aa and step. wolski will most likely be gone, with dubi splaying 1st line LW. Maybe keep prospal as a 2nd like LW with aa and step. 3rd line as Step with some skilled wingers (Wolski, MZA, Thomas, signing) and put avery or feds with boyle and prust.
not too bad.
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I don't mind keeping Wolski
I think that top line would be kinda sick. I would keep the Pack line together, let the Feds-Boyle-Prust line take the opposition’s best line, and let Stepan develop with MZA and a player to be named (Hagelin, Grachev?) to switch out with Avery, if he’s still around.
Agreed with your lines. I love them, but unless Drury retires (rather than a buy out) it will be very difficult to sign Richards and keep Wolski.
I feel that a skilled line of Wolski-Richards-Gaborik would be fantastic too watch. On all your other lines I agree completely. Maybe in a few years slot Kreider and Thomas in there.
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I think Gaborik will be fine. It just looked like he was super catious all year long, like he was playing not to get injured, instead of playing hard like the rest of the team. Instead of looking at it as a down year for Gabby, I look at is as that he knew this team wasn’t going to go far into the playoffs, so he didn’t play to his full potential because he wanted to make sure he was at his highest level of play for the next couple years when we are legit contenders. I’m not worried about Gabby, he will be back in top form next year.
Sorry to re-direct the thread..
But who and or what is Camelback? Am I missing something?
actually...
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by Master Ov Brutality on May 10, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ah the gaborik thread, hello finals distraction
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on May 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
YES!
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imagine putting together a Kreider and Gaborik thread? It might break the internet
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forget about stoll and laich, Tortorella would never let sather do anything that stupid
Fixed that for you
by The Blue Seats on May 10, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously
the point is that we’ve actually had some very good gm moves lately and its more messier and torts than sather
I maintain confidence in Gaborik. I really don’t think we should get rid of him unless the trade is completely lopsided in our favor. He remains a first line talent, and I’m sure he’ll be chomping at the bit to remind everyone of that next year. I think it’s also to remember that this year he had to deal with injuries to himself, as well as injuries to several key players throughout the year, preventing him from really getting into a consistent rhythm with his linemates/teammates. I therefore find it unfair to scorn him for his less-than-stellar performance.
Richards or not, I’m predicting at least a 35 goal season for Gaborik next year, as Marian finally gives Harry Potter his invisibility cloak back. In exchange, Harry will perform some magical goal scoring voodoo ritual that will fuel #10 for years to come.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on May 10, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
trade him out west ?
there are plenty of good players in the western conference to deal him to shane doan iginla dusten penner but thats if these teams bite on it i just think mr. softee is not tough enough to play in the east he is a finesse player that should be out west look at his stats when he was on the wild and he didnt have a dynamic play making center to set him up. so what makes you think richards would really make a difference to him christ he scored 42 goals with prospal as his center 2 years ago.
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There are supposed to be finesse players in the league. You can’t win the Cup with just a group of Callahans, Dubinskys and Boyles. Look at Detroit’s top players, many of them are finesse players including their best forward and best defenseman. Chicago won last year with an offense anchored by Toews, Kane and Sharp. The leader in points in the playoffs last year was Briere, the leader in goals was Cammalleri.
Sure if they could trade him for an equal or better player in terms of skill that isn’t as injury prone then they should strongly consider it, but how many teams are going to offer up a healthy and point per game player at an even swap for Gaborik? It would probably take other core players to get a deal like that done.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on May 11, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at Detroit’s top players, many of them are finesse players including their best forward
but if you’ve watched Datsyuk play at all this current series vs. San Jose, you’ll see that he is much more physical than Gabby. Yea he’s finesse, but he’s a lot of other things too – which Gaborik is not.
That said – I also don’t agree with trading him out west for the players named above.

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