New York Rangers Trade Ethan Werek
by GABORIK104LIFE on May 8, 2011 8:56 PM EDT
Email
Print[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 05/08/11 8:54 PM EDT Sad to hear the Rangers traded one of the guys I was looking forward to seeing play for them someday, but if you heard Jess Rubenstein on our show a few weeks ago, you heard him say Werek's stock had slipped somewhat. Thanks Gaborik for putting this up!]
The Rangers have announced they have traded 2nd round pick in 2009 Ethan Werek to phoenix (who else) for 19 year old Oscar Lindberg.
Lindberg was selected 52nd overall in 2010 and has been playing in Sweden the last two seasons. 5 goals and 9 assists in 41 games.
10th ranked prospect on Phoenix.
His faceoff percentage seems to be his best talent at over 60%.
Hockeys Future "Lindberg provides good size and strength down the middle and is an effective two-way center. Like many Swedish forwards he is extremely reliable in his own zone and is even more reliable in the face-off circle, winning 60 percent of his draws last year."
Interesting trade to start off with I guess and that is about it.
77 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Now I have to repost...
It really seems like the Rangers are re-making the Whale. If they get him and Jesper Fasth signed, we could see a Swedish Elite Line.
Hagelin- Lindberg- Fasth.
I assume with Roman Horak and Ryan Bourque in the system, they felt that Werek was expendable. I did think though that Werek projected higher than Bourque…
He is probably an ahler for life. We are probably bringing him in for his size since the other Guy that mdz was tweeting about wont be there probably
by Pballer505 on May 8, 2011 8:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lindberg has been playing in the SEL since he was 17, thats nothing to sneeze at.
by The Blue Seats on May 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess its cuz Lindberg is a C and Werek is a winger?
I dunno I thought Werek was one of the many pups we had that was on his way next year. But I guess it makes sense since we have a ton of wingers and not many Cs.
Doesn’t seem to be anything more then that since they’re the same age
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
also the roster spot vs. allowing him to stay overseas thing also seems to be a big part in this
I know a bit abotu Werek and nothing about Lindberg, so this does kinda suck. But I guess the reality is that we have a ton of young players who seem like future NHL players and only so many roster spots.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Werek has some injury problems and some attitude problems it seems, and the Rangers have really been pushing character and familiarity with the prospects these days.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 8, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t Werek the one who was charged with assaulting a girlfriend?
by BuckarooClub on May 9, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if (when) Drury goes, we have no one to take face-offs – the only other faceoff guy even in our system is Horak… I think – I’m no expert but that’s what I’ve gathered. It doesn’t hurt to have a defensively responsible, faceoff winning center in the system – at 19 he’s already succeeding in the SEL.
The 82 game NHL equivalencies of the two this past season:
Lindberg: 8-14-22
Werek: 12-15-27
Not all that much separation between the two.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
50% more goals, more assists as well, 20% more points, while not enormous the differences should not be discounted
by Ahmad Bradshaw on May 8, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Points aren’t everything. Werek does not win face-offs, Lindberg does. Also, Lindberg actually cares.
ok, but smurf was making a comparison looking at points. Thus, I was commenting on the information he provided. And to comment on how much Lindberg cares with presumably nothing to base the assumption on seems rather careless. As is the assumption that Werek does not care.
by Ahmad Bradshaw on May 11, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Werek had an attitude problem by the end of the OHL season and was suspended for about 5 games. He also was injured and his stock was falling. He needed to be signed by June1st, so we got a guy that doesn’t need to be signed until next year. I like Werek, but the signs were appalling, this was a good move.
Remember no one is a sure lock for the NHL until they hold a roster spot for a few years! Lindberg has more of a low-risk lower ceiling type of feel, while Werek seems to be taking a nosedive. Who knows.
"Are you really Wade Redden?"-Jim
thia is why we dont improve and win!!
we trade all our good players before they develop.. i dont see the reason or purpose for this trade.. phoenox has made several good trades against us and none of our trades with them have helped us in any way…
yes ut feels like another lisin for korporkoski trade.. sad but tru.. phoenix finds and harvest talent we just give it away… hoe does a team that has trouble cscoring trade a player who sccores 21 goals 27 assists.. for a swede who scores 5 goals 14 assists? can someone tell me ??? am i missing something? werek was ohl player of the week mutiple times. and was being scouted by other teams and we give him away for oscar? i hope that this workds in our favor this tu=ime… but it doesnt look that way.. id rather have another skillful avery or dubi outthere then a soft sweede ….im upset adn was looking froward to werek
phoenox has made several good trades against us and none of our trades with them have helped us in any way…
Yea that Wolski for Roszival trade had absolutely zero impact on our young blue line…
GO PACK GO -- 13 Time World Champions
Let's Go Rangers
UH Huh You Know What It Is ZUCCA-RELLO ZUCCA-RELLO
It also took over at least $2 million off our cap if Im not mistaken, plus more if Wolski is bought out.
Our offense didnt improve but our defense improved immensely, especially with the experience for McD & Sauer. Rozsival was awful on the PP and worse on defense and the team is much better off without him.
GO PACK GO -- 13 Time World Champions
Let's Go Rangers
UH Huh You Know What It Is ZUCCA-RELLO ZUCCA-RELLO
player for player is what i mean by no improvement similar style players.. i thin if we make a trade it to impove our team..
it did with our future and cap space help… so it didnt benefit us or our team presently …
but our future looks brighter.. i just hope these trades were making makes sense and we dress the best players overall and not just spare parts which our team is made up of now… offensivly speaking
but
Adding offense wasnt the primary goal of that trade. Everyone knows Wolski is as enigmatic as they come. The point of that trade was to lose Rozsivals 5M cap hit and give more of an opportunity to Sauer & McD
GO PACK GO -- 13 Time World Champions
Let's Go Rangers
UH Huh You Know What It Is ZUCCA-RELLO ZUCCA-RELLO
lol
you say “trades against us” like making trades are a game of who can screw the other team more….i honestly think we’ve come out on top….are we really crying over korpikoski?
all we should care about was getting rid of roszival….no matter what other trades phoenix has “made against us”….this will always outweigh them….unless of course we were to be able to get someone like Yandle….for some spare parts……that would be a winning trade against them.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on May 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Lindberg was in a much stronger league. Both players NHL point equivalencies are actually pretty close, as George pointed out above. Werek seemed to have an injury lately and some character issues, and Lindberg is also a great faceoff guy.
Maybe if you read other posts and didn’t overreact, you would have a more accurate view of the team.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
You are not even close here
If you get a 5 game suspension right before the playoffs it is not a good move.
If you are on twitter tweeting about the girls while in the school library while the rest of the prospects are either still playing or in Hartford working out it is not a good move. (the better idea would have been either studying or working out)
If you miss out on 18 games when you should have asked the Rangers for some medical advice SOONER it is not a good idea.
Sorry but Werek pushed himself out of the Ranger’s plans with a combination of things. Hopefully for him this is the wake up call he needs to save his dream of being an NHL player.
Werek was not OHL player of the week several times, he was not even named it once this season.
You have it wrong, in this case the Rangers made this move in order to try and improve as well as try to win.
by theprospectpark on May 9, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice...
totally agree with the majority of this….though actually didnt even realize most of this happened….only thing i have to say on the contrary……….who really studies in school these days…….its all about winging/cramming it 2 hours before the test!
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on May 9, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
which leaugue is tougher sweedish elite leaugue or the ohl??
why would phoenix trade him if he was sooo goood??
i never heard of lindberg … the make yet anpther good deal with us… why dont we just give them dubi and cally as well next.. and lundqvist .. then maybe they can complete their cup winn of our stupidity. and give them more pieces that we are lacking..
great move sather… when he proves to be great and better than kreider in a few years i will bury my head in my pillow and wanna move out west and be a new hockey fan!! I [ray im wrong!!
The SEL is a much, much harder league. It’s the best league in the world that isn’t the NHL.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 8, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with George. I think the SEL is better. Turns out more young players.
twitter.com/NYRangers365
by NYRangerFan718 on May 8, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the KHL...
would not even be known if they didnt have the select few ex-NHLers like Jagr…….if your league can be lead in goal scoring by Marcel Hossa….you’re not a good league.
So again, aside from a select few players…the rest of the other guys are probably AHL quality or less…..
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on May 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far
Look of the success rate of top Junior players coming into the NHL vs Top SEL players. Zucc is a good example. Foresberg tried the comeback and couldn’t cut it. You’ve got former NHL guys at the top of the league over there, who are only there because they’d have to fight for a spot over here. Canadien juniors gives the best tune up for the NHL game.
by BuckarooClub on May 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ve got former NHL guys at the top of the league over there, who are only there because they’d have to fight for a spot over here.
The strength of the league is a different argument from which is the best developmental plan for guys. It’s much harder for high talent guys to dominate the SEL than it is to dominate the CHL.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda see what you're saying... but on the flip side
If the high talent guys talent don’t take off enough for them to rely solely on it in the NHL, the CHL gives them exposure to NHL game they’ll be dealing with as a bottom 6 player. I’m in agreement that top talent can play almost anywhere, and as long as they are dominating, there’s not much to worry about as long as they keep dominating. It doesn’t sound like this kid is projected to be top line material though. I wouldn’t be oppossed to seeing him come over here and play a year of Jr’s, if that’s an option. Let him get used to a more physical game as one of the older players in the league, then jumping into the AHL next year, and doing it against full grown men.
by BuckarooClub on May 9, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment really had not much to do with Lindberg so much as answering the question. I agree that Lindberg looks like a bottom 6 guy.
Would he even be eligible for Juniors, given he turns 20 in October? The rules on that elude me.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on
From what I found, it looks like he could play as one of a teams 3 “overage” players, as a 20 year old. He’d also count against their limit of 2 European players though, so the Rangers would probably have to find the right spot for him. I remember there was talk of getting Stepan to do something similar last season.
Trying to read your posts is painful
I don’t just mean in the sense that they are stupid, I mean it is literally painful trying to read the jumble of letters that you put together and call words and sentences. I don’t give a shit about spelling or grammar but come on man.
`10th ranked on phoenix and 5th ranked on our team.. i dunno ? pray im wrong!
how does that make sense……….???
like fowler… vs…. mcilrath????
please stop this torture …. i hope this kid is better and proves me wrong for once…
Werek is 9th ranked for us, not 5th, assuming you mean hockeysfuture. Step away from the comp. there Stu.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 8, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP
HE already told you Werek was our #9 prospect. Not #5. It’s ok the 1st time but you’ve been proven wrong and you stay with it??? That shit’s annoying.
twitter.com/NYRangers365
by NYRangerFan718 on May 8, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Richards what's the reasoning?
What would be the positive side to signing Brad Richards? He has never had a 30 goal season. Is he a notable playmaker? If we need scoring is he the best potential free agent available to add scoring? What is the upside he’s made that caused him to be the primary pick for a big free agent signing?
I’ve been following this blog a bit. There’s a really intelligent group of Ranger fans in this forum.
Probably would have been better to ask this on the Richards thread. He is a great play maker. He hasn’t scored 30 goals but often gets 50+ assists and 70+ points. He is the best scoring free agent available. He is the only true first line talent available. We have great homegrown youth but mostly 2nd and 3rd line roleplayers – we need a first liner to supplement our framework. Need someone to set up Gaborik and also draw some attention of opposition defense. Richards also has won a cup with Torts. Even if he doesn’t hit career high numbers and is aging, he should not flop the way Drury has because he is that talented. He can mentor Stepan and Anisimov to take over as the centers of our future.
Long Time Reader, First Time Posting
So after reading through all the comments I thought I’d share something I noticed and see what everyone’s thoughts are.
Face Off Percentage for the past 3 years – 63.35%, 60.40%, and this past year 69.62%. The kid must have pretty good talent in the face off circle to get 63.35% as a 17 year old.
Reading EliteProspects I noticed it said that last April he signed a 3 year contract with his SEL team. So what exactly does that mean for us? Are there ways around that? Or is there no chance of us seeing him in a Whale jersey until the 2013-2014 season?
That was undoubtedly one of the reasons for the move. We have signed up a lot of new young guys for the farm system the last month. This kid will develop in the competitive SEL without being on our 50 man roster. He is only 17, so if he didn’t make the Whalers until 19 and Rangers at 20 or later, that wouldn’t be a bad thing.
He turns 20 in October.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s correct
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to BSB!
I listen to Enter Sandman before taking exams. I wear the exact same jersey every Giants game. The Rangers goal song goes off in my head when I achieve small successes in life.
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on May 9, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks! I read the site daily, figured it was time to contribute a little!
by Eastern Impact on May 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
From browsing a few other places, it appears that his contract with the SEL has an "NHL Out" clause, allowing him to sign with an NHL team and releasing him from the SEL contract.
So would it be fair to assume he at least gets an invite to camp to see if he’ll be Whale ready next season? Nice to know he does have the ability to come here if we want him next year.
by Eastern Impact on May 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
With as bad as we were on faceoffs this year…if they really do buyout Drury, a solid camp might earn him a roster spot on the big club, let alone the Whale.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If he did make the team out of camp I wonder where he’d end up line wise. Shift Stepan over to a wing I’m guessing?
by Eastern Impact on May 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Really hard to tell, would depend on a lot of factors.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a couple faceoff thoughts
I took a look at our Face Off numbers on the NHL site. If we’re just looking for a defensive FO guy, why not Newbury? I’m not saying he’s the answer forever, but Torts seems to like him, he won them at a 60% clip when he was up here, and at the end of the day, we’re talking about 8 mins a night. We want to get ‘younger’, but I think using Newbury as a bridge better serves the kid, and I think it’s a stretch to think, even if he had a good camp, he’d win NHL faceoffs without a hitch.
The other guy I noticed was Avery. He only took 24 draws, but he won them at a good clip (over 60%). I looked back over his career, and he’s been pretty solid, when called upon. With our situation being what it is, if Torts opened up his mind, Aves could be an interesting short term solution, until some of our young centers get more experience with draws. With Aves contributing in a bottom 6 capacity, I don’t think it could hurt to find more ways for him to help. Avery’s self confidence and the fact he’d put opponents on edge could be just enough to make it work.
Well, I’m not saying faceoffs alone will get Lindberg a job, but might serve as a tiebreaker over someone like Weise, for example. I don’t even really expect Lindberg to sign this year, to be honest.
I have no issues with either of your suggestions, but I’m not sure either will be on the team in the fall.
Blueshirt Banter - Where Rangers' Fans Matter
Tracking the Rangers - Numbers don't lie. They just don't agree with you.
Twitter: RangerSmurf
by George E. Ays on May 9, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine that they’d want to put our best faceoff guy in for D-zone draws. In that case, they’d have to be responsible defensively. Avery does not really fit in there.
Well, can’t say i hate the trade
From what I’ve seen on here it seems like Werek had some behavioral issues, and if his stock was indeed rapidly declining then it made sense to trade him ASAP
We also get a guy who can fulfill a desperate need for us in the circle
Also yet another center prospect that Richards, if signed, could take under his wing
I listen to Enter Sandman before taking exams. I wear the exact same jersey every Giants game. The Rangers goal song goes off in my head when I achieve small successes in life.
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on May 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Apart from Werek, I can see more prospects being traded.
Because the organization and fans are iffy with DelZotto and Gilroy, for example, i can see their rights on the move for picks. I don’t know why, but I can see DelZotto benefiting with Edmonton and Gilroy with Florida. We cash in on their prospects/picks.
I liked and disliked the Werek trade because he was a good player, however, injuries and behavior screwed him up. He wants to be a pro when in reality he’s still a peewee at heart. Oh well, better luck next time.
hmm...
not a half bad idea…though i still really think MDZ can be better…and maybe Gilroy’s playoff performance this year gave him a slightly higher value.
though with our luck….watch edmonton and florida do way better than expected next year and the picks are no longer as valuable as they usually are.
….then again that probably isn’t going to happen after all.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on May 10, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don’t think we can get much value for Gilroy. He’s 26, and he’s a #5 or #6 dman on a good team at best. MDZ I’m only trading if it’s in a package for a legit 1st line talent. While I’m a fan of trading youth for proven talent, I don’t believe in trading him for the sake of trading him
"In the '60s I slept with many women, often outside in the mud and rain. It's possible a man may have slipped in there, there's no way of knowing."
Fan of the Rangers for life, fan of the Lightning for the rest of the playoffs...
stugotz
meet the reply button. Get acquainted.
Quotes From Rangers Head Pro Scout In Europe
Here’s what Rangers scout Andres Hedberg had to say about Lindberg (courtesy of Blueshirts United):
“(Lindberg) is a very solid player and his hockey sense is very good. His positioning on the ice—-at both ends of the ice—-is very good, so he knows the game and has very good hockey sense. He is not a finesse player really, but his hands are good, his skating stride is good—-which is a really important part of becoming a good player. He can play in the middle or on the side, too. And he’s not fully developed yet. There’s more to come.”
“He’s a well-known player, someone we certainly knew about for a while. He was absolutely on our radar screen (prior to the 2010 draft). We had been watching him, and our staff knew him very well. Last year he played a regular shift in the (Swedish Elite League) and handled himself very well. And he was a trusted important player for Sweden (at the World Junior Championships). These are both very good things.”
“We are very happy to have Oscar, and more importantly, he is happy to be with us. Players in Europe, you never know how they’ll react to being traded. It’s not like in Canada where players get traded in Juniors all the time and they get used to it. That doesn’t happen in Europe. But he was very excited about the trade, which is great.”
as stated he isnt a finesse player ... good but not great. we have a lot of those players on the team now lets see how that works.. maybe ec. or boyle will be on the bench longer??.
all i know is that we trade talent.before it is put too its test.. we judge and dont give young players a chance .. we could put him in hartford and see how he develops.. werek was young and talented imo… when he becomes a good player in a few years for phoenix .. much like korporkoski did.. then some rangers fans will say we want him.. ( i hope Im wrong?!?) for the sake of our rangers future and past mistakes..
werek looked younger, better and stronger and more nhl ready than lindberg. imo.. why would phoenix go after someone who cant be nhl ready considering their situation and how they are always playoff bound…
werek too me looked like a solid second liner, like a boyle but with better skill!!
Isnt that what were looking for?? maybe we will trade thomas and kreider for some picks as well ?? not as fast or as great hands but just the same that should improve our team and our lines.. depth is needed… no talent and depth are needed asap…. but i would go with talent over depth and powerforwards is what were lacking depth can always be added later.
time will tell, I hope i am wrong ,, im
tired of watching the same old rangers.. without increased talent.. and other teams using our talent to win hockey games.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Blueshirt Banter
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
Rangers Schedule
Next 5 Games
New Jersey
|
Sun 05/27 | TBA |
Last 5 Games
|
@
New Jersey
|
Fri 05/25 | OT - L 2 - 3 |
|
New Jersey
|
Wed 05/23 | L 3 - 5 |
|
@
New Jersey
|
Mon 05/21 | L 1 - 4 |
|
@
New Jersey
|
Sat 05/19 | W 3 - 0 |
|
New Jersey
|
Wed 05/16 | L 2 - 3 |
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Eulogy: Remembering the 2011-12 New York Rangers
- Stanley Cup Final: 5 keys for New Jersey Devils and Los Angeles Kings
- Friday’s Three Stars: Devils head to Final; Brodeur, Kovalchuk the difference in Game 6
- Devils eliminate Rangers in Game 6, ending fear of the past, setting course for the future
- Adam Henrique sends New Jersey Devils to Stanley Cup Final with OT goal vs. Rangers (VIDEO)
Latest stories and headlines from NHL.com
- Former Oilers Stoll, Greene grateful for 2nd chance when well-rested LA Kings face New Jersey
- Shinnimin named CHL's Player of the Year
- Capitals send left-wing Bourque to Bruins for centre Hamill
- Rangers look to get past hurt of loss to Devils
- Top-seeded Rangers have reasons for optimism after disappointing loss to Devils in East finals
