A Scary Yet Important Thought to Consider
This post is a consideration to the issues if we cannot sign the free agents that we want and problems arise.
The New York Rangers have had bad luck in the past with their on-ice personnel, i.e. bad signings, draft busts, and fluctuating team chemistries. The players, coaches, front office, and the fans, suffer through this. Luckily, the Blue Shirt Faithful continue to show constant support for their Rangers, and that to me is worth more than a Stanley Cup. (Side note, look at some of the teams that have won titles and get no support from their fans like the Florida Marlins of the MLB and the New Jersey Devils of the NHL. They only go to games and care when some kind of silverware is involved.) On a sadder note, which brings me to this point, is that there are two players on our roster who are suffering the most: Henrik Lundqvist and Marian Gaborik.
Gaborik came to the team in the summer of 2010 following the signing of the horrid Donald Brashear. During the 2009/10 season, Gaborik was mostly responsible for the team's offensive production. His 42 goals in 76 games accounted for 18 percent of the team's total, an average of 9 goals per player on a 20-man roster not including him. This season, he was plagued with some minor physical flaws, however, still contributed to the team's offense. His 22 goals were still top-5 on the team, even though he only played in 62 games. He has one of the best snipes in the league and when healthy a dominant force. He has talent that needs to be shown off and used in the playoffs.
Lundqvist is Lundqvist- a solid goaltender who single handedly carried this club to the playoffs. He goes above and beyond to help his club win without the worry of producing any offense, and in the end, does not get the proper credit he deserves from the league. Hank never got any consideration for a Vezina nomination after producing a 2.28 GAA with a 92.3 save percentage and 11 shutouts. The only thing keeping him from true greatness is his W-L record. A 36-27-5 record is decent, but when your team struggled to get the last seed in the playoffs, that is not so good. Since his arrival to the Big Apple in 2005 he goes above and beyond to make his team happy. But now, given the current circumstances, that talent is about to get wasted.
The point of this blog, given the god-forbid circumstance, is would you consider trading both or either or Gaborik and Lundqvist. I love these guys in New York, but I also support them in a different way. These guys deserve to compete the proper competitive way, and with the current situation going on (remember, just a what-if scenario), that might not happen. By the time this team is ready for Stanley Cup glory, Hank and Gabby might be out of their primes and unable to compete. This talent is in need to shine during the Stanley Cup playoffs, and the Rangers right now cannot supply that unless something crazy happens, such as… the Rangers becoming more consistent at BEING consistent.
In a way, this will work out for both parties. They will get the missing pieces that they need to compete and the Rangers will get stellar young talent, depending on who we trade with.
Just a thought that I do not want to see happen and I hope it all works out in the end. Thoughts?
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You raise a point, but think about it. The image of Lundqvist lifting the Cup with another team is unbearable.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Jun 11, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
YUP…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The Rangers are basically a Brad Richards away from the 2nd round of the playoffs
and a Gaborik resurgence away from a Cup contender (and they both are probably one in the same. The pups like Stepan and McDounagh another year with us will get better too.
Why the hell would we trade Lundqvist? Its not even a thought, especially with elite goalies Tim Thomas and Bobby Lou taking their teams to the Cup (the Canucks defense is horrible at times too).
The Rangers might just be closer than you think, so trading these guys is not a thought.
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Agreed completely. With everything.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
totally agree
we are really close
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 11, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You build around Gaborik and Lundqvist...
….you don’t trade them away. That would be like taking the engine out of your car because the tires are a little worn and the paint’s rusting.
Stay the course I say…..contention is near.
+1
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
You build around Hank more than Gaborik but yes. A great goalie is a hard thing to come by. Watch what Philly does in the coming weeks and what they are willing to part ways with in order to get a great goaltender (Bryzgalov).
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I don’t think Ilya signs with Philly. He will wait till July 1st and it’s fair game. He wants top money (which he clearly won’t get) but if one team offers more then Philly, he’ll go there instead. The comment he made about Winnipeg says a lot about how he feels.
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by NYRangerFan718 on Jun 12, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a scary thought I had that others might worry about too
I dont want them to go at all. I just fear at one point these two might snap and say :screw this im out."
pump the BRAKES
we have a playoff team and we are a few offensive players away from doing something big here
but yes at times I feel like Hank is being wasted when he goes out night after night and plays his ass off while his team cant score 2-3 goals
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 11, 2011 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t worry about Lunqvist. Look at that asshole Thomas who is likely to grab a Conn Smythe at 37 and has had his best years late in his career. I think we can all agree Hank is a superiior athlete and goaltender. Hank is still young and has plenty of excellent years ahead of him, god willing health-wise.
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by Plusch on Jun 11, 2011 9:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree with most of this:
1) “The New York Rangers have had bad luck in the past with their on-ice personnel, i.e. bad signings, draft busts, and fluctuating team chemistries. The players, coaches, front office, and the fans, suffer through this.”
That was the past. The team is doing great right now. A lot of good young players, Sather is doing a good job in the trades (And as a Sather Hater, I can honestly say he is doing a good job overall right now). The team is drafting well. They are shying away from the bad signings. Last year was an exciting year and a great year overall for Rangers fans. And with all these young kids and talent, we have a lot to look forward to.
2) “the signing of the horrid Donald Brashear.”
You can blame Torts for that.
3) “He (Gaborik) has one of the best snipes in the league and when healthy a dominant force. He has talent that needs to be shown off and used in the playoffs.”
That’s all on him. He could of done a lot more for us last year (especially in the playoffs)
4) “His 22 goals were still top-5 on the team”
22 goals for Top 5 on the team is very good. It looks worse when you consider the fact that 10 of those goals came in 3 games. Gaborik needs to step up and play like he did in the previous season..
5) “Hank never got any consideration for a Vezina nomination after producing a 2.28 GAA with a 92.3 save percentage and 11 shutouts.”
That’s completely false. He got a lot of consideration. He was definitely 4th or 5th. He has gotten a lot of praise for his great season. Thomas and Rinne both deserved it over him but he should’ve been nominated over LOLuongo.
6) “But now, given the current circumstances, that talent is about to get wasted.”
You could have said this 2-3 years ago (I think I even did a post on this at one point) but right now that’s not true. This team is in a great space and if some of their top players stepped up (cough Gaborik) they could’ve made it past the 1st round last year. It also would’ve helped to have Callahan. They will definitely be a top team in the east if they add another top player and get Gaborik back on track. (The edition of Erixon was big especially if he players this year. Now go add a Top Center and maybe 1 more scorer)
I would definitely trade Gaborik if we could get good value in return. We would never get anything equal to Hanks value and I would never trade him.
Overall I don’t understand this post. I feel like it’s stuck 2 years in the past. Right now everything is good in RangerLand. As fans we should all be excited for the bright future.
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too early to NEED to add a piece
really we’ve only been rebuilding for a very short time. We certainly are on the right track, but the truth is that we are not ready to contend. IMO, we will be a much better team next season even without any additions, but it will still be another rebuilding year. Let’s wait to see what we have scoring wise form dubi, cally, thomas and even grachev before we jump the gun and add anything else.
Gabby and hank are still young so event hought hey may be a tad past their primes when we are ready to compete, they will still be integral parts of our cup runs. I feel gabby will help us more when he’s NOT the focal point of our offense than right now when he is. Just my two cents.
Gaborik was brought in to be the focal point of the Rangers offense. And he should be.
Lundqvist will still be Lundqvist-esque in 5 years if, and only if, he gets spelled in the manner which he was before Biron was injured. He cannot continue to play 70 games a year and be expected to be elite otherwise.
Why would you think the team would be much better next year without any additions? Dubinsky and Callahan will likely improve upon the previous season, as they’d improved upon the 2009-10 season. On the other hand, Grachev hasn’t shown himself to be ready for the Rangers (yet), and unless the Rangers grinding style changes, I see Thomas (if he makes the club) going the way Zuccarello was last year, and that is to say utilized incorrectly.
The Rangers need more than one piece to contend. The way the the team is constructed as is, it cannot compete with the elite teams in the NHL. The defense and goaltending are superb, but they are not able to score on a consistent basis. Until their powerplay is addressed and corrected, and their 5-on-5 play predicates on skill rather than grinding, the Rangers will be on the outside looking in on the Stanley Cup Finals.
i never said
they wouldn’t be better if they didn’t add a piece. I said they would be better than last year’s team because of the improvement of the players we already have even if hey don’t add anyone. I realize we would obvioulsy be better if we added richards or something, but i think we are still in a rebuilding process.
i do not expect to contend for a cup next season. let’s continue to let our young guys develop and then reassess where we are and consider adding more pieces. Afterall, our most talented scorers (other than gabby) have no NHL experience. one rebuilidng season won’t cut it.
I realize we brought gabby in to be the focal point of our offense, but I believe if he played with a true high-scoring power forward or another sniper on the opposite wing, he would truly be in his element. I don’t think we will ever win with gabby as our go-to scorer (just my opinion)
To summarize, one or two rebuilding seasons won’t cut it. Our cup contention is a long-term project. We are on the right track, but we will not ever win while gabby and hank are at their apex. That’s jus the reality of it to me.
I didn’t say that you said they wouldn’t be better if they didn’t add a piece…
Why would you think the team would be much better next year without any additions?
I see them in the same situation, fighting for the 7-9th spots in the Eastern Conference.
Gaborik scored 86 points in 2009-10 without a true high-scoring power forward or sniper as you suggested. And he didn’t play with one in his second-most productive season either.
I know I’ve said it a million times already, but I really feel that his decreased production was a direct result of the grinding system that Tortorella had the Rangers play this season.
But to your point of letting the young guys develop, I agree. I had to defend myself for 3 days on here for suggesting that the Rangers not go after Richards. Bring the talent up together, and add the talent as is appropriate when the younger guys are ready.
The Rangers are rebuilding, and if they don’t add anything this year I think they’d be better served by trading Gaborik for high draft picks and high-end NHL ready talent. In NHL you need high-end talent to compete. It’s argued that Boston doesn’t have the elite talent of Vancouver or the other usual suspects, but they have a record-setting goaltender, their top line is a true first line (Lucic- Krejci- Horton) and they have scoring and defensively responsible forwards down the lineup.
If the Rangers are truly to rebuild, they have to do it without Gaborik. Otherwise, getting mid-to late-round picks and rushing them, isn’t going to work. Look at what Phoenix did with Kyle Turris and Mikkel Boedker.. those guys were top-10 picks and haven’t done anything yet. Kreider is 3 years away, Thomas 2 years, and Grachev 1 year. The most NHL-ready are Zuccarello, and probably Hagelin.
I believe, probably as you do, that Stepan and Anisimov aren’t ready to contribute to a Cup run. Especially Stepan. In 2 years they may be, while Callahan and Dubinsky will be in their primes.
Hank may still be at a Lundqvist-esque level in 3-4 years if he doesn’t have to play 70 games a year. He can’t keep building up the mileage the way he has.
so essentially...
we agree on everything. I have no problem with trading gabby. I realize gabby has the potential to create offense, but its just my opinion that his skill set can better serve a cup contending team as a second option. Being that our first option is still developing or hasn’t even been drafted yet, it may be in our best interest to trade him to a team like LA that is truly one or two pieces away.
I don’t want to rush kreider or thomas and am fine with bringing them along slowly. I do believe that dubi/anisimov/stepan/grachev need to make profound strides in their games if we want to compete anytime soon.
If we do decide to keep Gabby, he will have to be a second option on one of our cup contending teams. his legs/mobility won’t be the same, but hopefully his shot will still be a factor in open spaces.
I would LOVE it if Gabby demanded a trade cause he thought he was playing so far beyond his teamates
That would mean that Gabby was actually producing the way we need him too, and more importantly WHEN we need him too. It also would mean he was playing at the level for two seasons straight, because there is NO WAY, no matter how good his season is next year, he says anything about other guys play after the season Gabby had last year.

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