How We Can Trade Wolski
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:22 AM EDT
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This might already be in the heads of you more Cap savvy fans out there but ill give it a go anyway. It's quick, easy and to the point.
So we buyout Chris Drury and the CBA says with its best soup Nazi impression "no more buyouts for you!" And we say "damn that would have been nice now what?" Well as much as I like the shootout (I hate it actually), I do not want Wolski wearing a Blueshirt anymore, so we must trade him. But what takers are there for a 3.8 million dollar project? Well, I can think of a couple of teams that would be interested in taking him, but not to play of coarse. Ohh no, no, no, my Ranger brethren, to do what we cannot! Buy. Him. Out. Yeah see what if we traded him and lets say the rights to Gilroy to the Flyers for a guy like Versteeg. They need the cap space and
we can give them just that.
Philadelphia trades Verteeg to New York for Wojtek Wolski and Matt Gilroy. See what I think makes this work is the needs all the way around.
Flyers need cap space. 3 million comes off. Check.
Rangers need a good scoring forward that plays defense well to get on a line with Gabby and Richards. Check.
Flyers can buy out Wolski for the 666,667. Sign Gilroy 900,00 to play the 3rd line with O'Donnell on his way out. Have 1.5 million more to throw towards Ilya Bryzgalov and be set with their forward and defensive corp for the most part. Checkmate.
On another note I think other teams like ANA looking for a up and coming defens
man could have interest in that package. Just swap Parros and a fourth rounder and I would take that deal. I mean I know Sather is looking for an enforcer so why not. We wind up alleviating cap space in the process and so does Anaheim.
Emperor Sathertine is creating a master plan and don't be surprised if it looks like one of these.
What do you guys think? Feel free to add more trade possibilities including the Wolfman.
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Versteeg was aweful for the flyers, and we don’t need a defensive forward… we need scorers… versteeg makes 3.1 mil per i believe for another 2 – 3 years… no thank you… We also only have gilroys rights at this point, and the flyers would be better to take gilroy off UFA than try to sign him during the RFA period…
Wolski while anemic does have good offensive characteristics, and given a playmaking center he can produce offensively… Wolski is young enough and talented enough to stay, he gives us no less than what Versteeg would… personally I think versteeg is overrated, also we leave out the idea of a player his size in the atlantic division… he didn’t fair to well with the flyers… all in all the trade won’t happen because it’s with the flyers…
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Its only for one more year at 3.1. I think he fits this teams hard working style.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I like him too.
He’s better than Wolski,which is obvious. Also, cheaper for the same timeline, one year.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh unless I am missing something, WW contract expires before the CBA. So at worst we are stuck with him until the end of next season.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 3:28 AM EDT reply actions
Oooook, I didn’t think the current CBA limits buyouts.
Or is this supposed to be kinda of a pretend post?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it does limit buyouts
The rule is (correct me if i’m wrong) a team cannot buyout more than one player unless there is at least one proceeding to arbitration. I think? This stuff confuses me. Anyway I thought that if a player (RFA) seeked arbitration later on in July, then a buyout window opens again. Dave or George probably know this stuff by heart, unless I totally botched this.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If you go to arbitration you get another buyout window. Since you odnt know what the award will be during the first and regular window you can’t plan accordingly; The 2nd window gives you an opportunity to buy someone out to fit in the salary/award of the arbitrated player. Thats the though behind it.
did not think there was a limit to the number of buyouts a team could do, I will look into it.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no limit to a ‘ordinary course buyout’ within the ‘regular period’; The buyout clause is a standard clause is the SPC.
There is a limit of the number of buyouts (3) that can be done ‘outside the regular buyout period’ over the term of the CBA. I dont think the NYR have bought anyone out during this period and with the CBA expiring soon it would not be a big deal to use one if we need to buyout WW to fit someone else in.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Also worth noting that a player has to clear waivers before being bought out so its possible, though unlikely, that someone would grab WW via waivers reliving us from any cap hit resulting from a buyout.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he will still need to go through waivers I believe but nobody is going to pick up that contract.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 13, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Paris, that clears things up. When I heard that we weren’t buying out Wolski I assumed there must’ve been a reason like a “limit”. Not buying him out at this moment doesn’t make sense but then again we can’t trust sources all the time I think they’ll do it.
I kinda does make sense. If we don’t land Richards then there really is no reason to try to clear more cap space. And we will need offense from somewhere. With just 1 year left and it being a contract year we can gamble on WW to see if he can up his game without giving away anything in a trade or singing another FA for a longer term.
So I think the NYR are waiting to see what happens come July !st and will make decisions based off that. I also think they will bring Sauer or maybe Boyle to arbitration in order to open up that 2nd buyout period.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 14, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and if we don’t land Richards keeping Wolski is not the answer. Sorry but the 466,666 we would pay this year and the 666,667 we would pay next year is nothing compared to the waste of 3.8 million in cap space this season. He’s soft and puts up a line of 12 23 35 in 77 games. That’s just weak.
IMO if we kept Drury it would make more sense. Keep a vet for the rest of the year as opposed to a science project gone horribly wrong. About 3.4 million this upcoming year is what Drury would be saving us in cap space. While Wolski would save us roughly around 3.3 million. Im just saying.
I agree with what you say about Sauer and Boyle opening up that 2nd buyout period. Maybe by then they will get rid of this waste of space.
Why would you need cap all that cap space if you are not going to sign someone? The team needs offense and Drury is not the answer over WW.
I still think Drury is gone but if we dont sign anyone then there is no need for all that cap space. just suck it up for another year and both contracts are gone for good. Unless we are looking to trade for someone then that cap space will be needed. Tough calls and it becomes almost a gamble< But I would prefer WW to CD just for the potential upside he can give> With Drury we can only hope that he will be healthy enough to play. Forget about offense contributions.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 15, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s soft and puts up a line of 12 23 35 in 77 games. That’s just weak.
It’s one season.
Yes, he’s had attitude issues with two different teams before us, and that’s certainly a flag, but he had two 50 points seasons before this one (without much PP time for that matter), and he’s still only 25 years old (thus just entering his prime). He’s on a contract year, and he’s actually working on his game in the offseason, which to me says he might just be willing to put in the work/finally has his head together.
Now if we end up needing the space because of Richards+, then fine. This dumping him for the sake of dumping him makes no sense. The team lacks people with the skill to be a consistent first liner, and the one guy who has shown that skill, everyone wants to run out of town because he wasn’t a superstar with limited ice time (though he had more points per minute than everyone but Prospal and Gaborik on this team, and led our team in scoring in the playoffs)
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by George E. Ays on Jun 15, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you guys are saying 100%
But I still respectfully disagree, trading or buying out Wolski has to be done before the start of the season. Someone making 3.8 million dollars that does what Dawes used to do(basically). Think about that part. Dubinsky is having a hard time getting his contract at 4.5 million while this guy skates around (literally he doesn’t work half as hard as him) making pretty damn close to that. Are we rewarding him for his insane moves in the shootout, because I have yet to see him pull one off in a game.
If you guys think we should keep him until the deadline its fine, because its your opinion, but he is going to be eating up someone else’s time too. I just don’t see the positives that you guys see, unless he reaches 50 points which looks unlikely at this point.
by louielounz1 on Jun 15, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t argue that Wolski was anything but disappointing last year. I understand that completely.
My point is that focusing on a 35 game sample is not the best to evaluate a player, especially one who has done a lot more than that over his career. Now sometimes, teams have no choice but to do so (looking at you Chris Higgins).
I’m not going to say I’m going to lament the loss of Wolski. I just think it’s a mistake to get rid of him just for the sake of doing so, and I think it’s really a mistake to just buy him out, when there are certain to be teams to gamble on him for the same reasons I think the Rangers should, i.e. he has a ton of skill, he’s 25, and is in a contract year.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 15, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point buying him out for the sake of it really doesn’t make sense. I just figured there was more to look at as far as free agent signings but there really isn’t either.
Call it my crutch but something I am really tired of is disappearing acts Zherdev, Wolski, Christensen etc. If you have the ability, what’s your excuse.
Maybe your right the contract year combined with the impending Richards signing could bring the Wolfman some consistency.
Dont forget he is working wit Barb Underhill. While this could translate into better skating it could also mean that he has grown up a bit and taking things more seriously.
Or it could me he know its his contract yeah and need to do well then he can go back to loafing the next few years.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a fair point, as much as I defend keeping Wolski for this year, even if he has a big year, I’m not sure I want him re-signed.
Buy low, sell high and all.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The buyout is either
Drury or Wolski, I mean then why would they keep Wolski? It makes no sense, according to Brooks he says we can only buyout one.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we trade Wolski?
we drug the other team’s GM.
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Isn’t that how we got him in the first place?
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by Kevin Power on Jun 13, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Versteeg is severely overrated
Take him off a stacked Blackhawks team and put him with Toronto and Philly and he shows you exactly what he is…a mid to high level third liner…pass. I’d give Wolski a chance next year playing with a top line center (if we sign Richards or pick up a center somewhere) and if we don’t I’d put him on a line with Anisimov and maybe Zuke
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by Kevin Power on Jun 13, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I know that Wolski underpormed at times last season, but I would like to see how he responds this year. He is playing for his next contract , and he will spend a summer at camp torturella. That experience will hopefully help his conditioning and his work ethic. And if he does spend time with Boyle working out with Underhill he will hopefully be stronger on his skates.
I think many of us are fooled with this guy because of one: potential, 2: his age, 3: his shootout abilities. I say off with his skates and move on.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The first two reasons you listed should alone be enough to keep him. Am I the only person who thinks that if Torts gave Wolski more ice time in the playoffs he would have put up better numbers. When he was out there for that rare shift I liked what I saw.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jun 13, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
i completely agree. even if you criticize his work ethic or motivation, and even though he was pretty bad at times, this is exactly the season we WANT wolski if only to cash in on his contract year. if he ever had a reason to step it up and perform, its this year and i think hes exactly the type of guy that will do just that
I don’t think we should be in the business of benefitting the Flyers for any reason, especially for only Versteeg. If it was Carter Id be much more open to it. Don’t think Versteeg adds much to our team honestly, we have enough Versteegs here.
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by Plusch on Jun 13, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Carters
contract ends when i’m 34 lol. I was just bringing up examples but your probably right helping them is not a good plan. Although I like Versteegs game, wouldn’t mind him in a blueshirt.
by louielounz1 on Jun 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit forgot about that. Screw that, no soup for Philly
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by Plusch on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
34 is not that old. If we were somehow able to economically get Carter I wouldn’t want him here for just two seasons. Long term is what you want from a young star who has one of the best wrist shots in the entire world.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jun 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
There's only one thing right in this post.......
……..get rid of Wolski. Guys like him do not win. The put up points and occasionally do flashy things, but 90% of the time they’re as invisible as …. as……. Wonder Woman’s invisible jet.
Versteeg is more of the same as Wolski, can be flashy, not always consistent, and defensive liability. I do not see the point.
Ladd- Bolland- Versteeg
He was a part of that checking line in Chicago during their Cup run… they took on other teams’ top lines.
I don’t know about his Chicago days as much cause I didn’t really pay attention, but with Toronto and Philly I felt he played like the way I described above. I could be wrong but who knows.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 14, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
big george ?
the hell with versteeg he sucks just like wolski. but maybe if we can dump wolski for parros i would love it . plus you gotta love his john holmes porn stache that blows away dubis anyday .
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Dump Woslki for a guy we have no use for? Wolski’s talent is there and when paired with a solid center, can be quite a useful scoring winger. I’d say keep him around and if the deadline comes and he isnt producing then we should think about making him expendable
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