Ottawa and Gaborik "murmur"
by Rob L on Jun 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT
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Minneapolis — Take it for what it’s worth, but there is some talk — well, more like a murmur, really — that the Ottawa Senators have some interest in trading for Marian Gaborik of the New York Rangers.
While this is borderline ridiculous given the two teams positions this offseason, its at least fun to theorize given that it is late-June. What is Ottawa looking to move in order to afford Gaborik?
What if the Rangers were willing to take defenceman Filip Kuba, who is scheduled to make $3.7 million next season. Kuba and Rangers coach John Tortorella have a connection going back to their days together with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Kuba is a big D-man who has been publicly put on the block as the Sens start a re-build. He's shown the ability to produce some points over his career, and most of his advanced stats (the ones I prefer) look actually pretty good seeing as the Senators have been going downhill the past few seasons. He's been playing significant minutes, against good competition, and in general moves the puck towards the opponents end. What would come with him, would be my next question. I personally would inquire about names such as Bobby Butler, Nick Foligno, Peter Regin, or Ryan Potulny. All are young, cheap, and have upside when it comes to offensive numbers.
So like I said, this is a load of crap, but I'd rather be doing this than working. Thoughts?
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Trading Gaborik for a defenseman? Really?
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This is a total guess, based on what I read in this post alone
I was thinking more that us taking Kuba was just part of the deal. Maybe Gabby for Spezza?
by BuckarooClub on Jun 23, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottawa has come out and said that they are rebuilding. At the trade deadline, the only players not available was Alfredsson (who they want to finish his career with the team) and the kids. Trading picks/prospects/young players for a 30 year old doesn’t make alot of sense when you’re just starting to rebuild. I can think is that they are either sending more contract this way, or sending Spezza back, and taking Gabby because he his contract is a year shorter then Spezza’s.
by BuckarooClub on Jun 23, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
We don’t trade our best offensive weapon for a vet who plays a position that is overstocked as it is
We need to build around Gaborik and our young guns not send them away for spare parts
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i severlely...
dislike any of those ideas….unless the trade includes someone like Spezza or maybe even Gonchar (despite his age)
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
why get spezza but trade away gaborik? we would get spezza to play with gaborik
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surely im not really thinking about it that way....
im just saying that we’d need someone that is at least as valuable…..whether or not it makes sense.
i wouldnt want to trade gaby regardless…..but my point was just that Kuba and some random second/third line players.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonchar? i wouldnt trade a bag of pucks for him
by nyrangerfan521 on Jun 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i know he's not been great, and getting old...
but i have always kind of liked him despite being on teams i hate….if this was a couple years ago and there were other pieces he’d be a great guy to get your PP out of the sewer.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
eh hes kind of like bryan mccabe when it comes to the PP. aging point man with a big hard shot. i understand gonchar has been better at it then mccabe throughout their careers but mccabe didnt help us at all
by nyrangerfan521 on Jun 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
my point....
on our current team, a gonchar of 4-5 years ago would have lead the team in scoring from the blue line.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i suppose. i completely dismissed him as a player id every want when he gave up on that play and basically let that guy score in the playoffs a couple years ago with pitt
by nyrangerfan521 on Jun 23, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No no no no to Gonchar. His glory days are long since over. Want nothing to do with him.
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no...
i was planning on going back in time 5 years, taking the gonchar from them back to the present.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade
I would honestly think hard about this if it was offered:
To Ottawa: Gaborik
To NYR: Kuba, Foligno, Regin, draft pick.
I don’t know, I’m really bored here. Don’t shoot the messenger here though I just found this is all.
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That would be a high pick as well.
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i do suppose...
a first round Ott pick would end up being pretty solid if they play anything like they did last year again going forward.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If that pick is the #6 in this year’s draft (thus Strome/Zibanejad/Couturier, maybe even Landeskog or Huberdeau), then we’re talking.
Regin’s pretty underrated, I’d definitely want him. Kuba/Foligno are whatevers.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Foligno
1 PPG in the O over his career and a good work ethic.
Also, in my theory logic here, I’m just looking into the future. We’ve got this great pipeline of kids who are gonna want spots, and honestly Gaborik isn’t going to be apart of any team that will be top 3 in the East imo (hope I’m wrong!). I would probably pull the trigger on the above fake deal.
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You might be right, but that’s why I’m saying it should be this year’s draft, where the OTT pick is a known quantity. Yeah, it’s possible next year’s pick might be a top 3, but if it’s another 12-15 because Spezza-Gaborik carries them, then you’ve lost out.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
IF..
It’s Ott’s 1st rndr tomorrow and we can parlay that and the 15th into 1, 2, or 3 and get one of those “elite” guys then yes. I love Gabby but if trading him gets us a couple good prospects and a top 3 pick this year then you do it. Especially if a 6th and 15th pick can get you to #1 for RNH. Then you’ve basically drafted two guys in the top 10 with Erixon.
I doubt it gets you to #1, but Tallon’s #3 might be in play.
The thing is, whoever you’re getting at #3 is probably equal to who is there at #6. Isles will probably go D w/ Hamilton (unless Larsson somehow falls), so you have 5 guys (Huberdeau, Couturier, Landeskog, Zibanejad, Strome) with only 2 teams (FLA, NJD) in the way. No sense in trading up in that situation, all 5 of those guys have the same upside.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
despite...
being a lot like MDZ with the defensive side….Karlson is pretty excellent with the offense….but he’d probably piss off Torts and wouldnt work out too well.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 23, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was checking out over a cap geek, I think it has to be Spezza if we're sending Gabby
Ottawa announced they were going to rebuild last season. I don’t see why they’d want to send picks or young players for Gabby in middle of a rebuild that Gabby is obviously not part of. Gabby only has two years left, compared to Spezza’s four years left, so Gabby is out of the way for the kids much sooner.
The only other possibility is that we’ve given up on Gabby and just looking to unload his 7 mil, in which case I think Ottawa would still expect us to take back either Kuba or Gonchar’s salary to offset Gabby.
He’s talking about the contract. Gabby has 3 left though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No, just contract years. And yes, that was my bad on how much Gabby has left. Thanks Smurf
by BuckarooClub on Jun 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm.......there's two ways to feel about Gaborik ...
last year was an aberration:
in this case Gabby bounces back and pots 45 goals for us and stays visible into the spring.
last year is a sign of things to come:
Gabby is soft and won’t show up in big games; so trade him now while his value is still high.
I don’t know how I feel about this b/c we’ll never know if Gaborik was nursing some kind of injury throughout last year.
All in all I would say avoid this because, if we do sign Richards, we’ll have the sniper and the uber-center we’ve been waiting for. Since the lockout, we’ve rarely had both.
Kuba is not enough of a powerhouse defenseman to pique my interest; not enough clout to have me mess up Staal-Girardi, Sauer-McDonagh, Erixon-MDZ core of defensemen.
Let Gaborik stay and give him a top flight to center to work with. Turn him loose and see what this Slovakian puck-wizard is truly made of.
Don’t agree with your Gaborik assessment at all. You don’t go from a point-per-game player his entire career to what he was last year, and chalk it up to being “soft”.
He’s a goal scorer. Let him do what he does to score goals. He also had 40+ assists the year before. He’s obviously doing something right… and had been his ENTIRE CAREER before last year.
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As per @TSNBobMcKenzie. Jeff Carter has been told he’s been traded to CBJ.
CBJ gave up a bunch. #8, Voracek, and a 3rd rounder, per reports.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Voracek is an RFA so they have to get him signed, but looks like a great deal for philly unfortunately
by nyrangerfan521 on Jun 23, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter will be a big loss though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie
I kinda wanted Carter, but I by the looks of things we would have given up quite a bit. Alot of people were wary of his contract but honestly that was something I really liked. Would have been a nice way to get ourselves a manufactured CBA ruke breaking contract.
If you think that's bad...
Try to swallow Philly’s possibly sending Richards to the Kings for Schenn and Simmonds?
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by Danz10 on Jun 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ottawa better be offering a lot more then fuckin Kuba
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In order for the deal to work....
TO Ottawa: Marian Gaborik, Wade Redden
TO NY Rangers: Bobby Butler, Chris Neil, Nick Foligno, Jason Spezza, 2011 OTT 1st Round Pick
ONLY DEAL I WOULD DO
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I was comparing two schools of thought on Gaborik, but now that you mention it, yes Gaborik is a goal scorer. He is a soft goal scorer. I brought up the possibility that he was nursing an injury all last year to try and explain his vaginicity (pretty sure I just trademarked a new name) on the ice. Pavel Datsyuk is a goal scorer; Teemu Selanne is a goal scorer – neither of them are soft the way Gaborik was, especially last season.
He’d better get a hell of a lot more creative and dynamic if I’m gonna consider him so important to our offense. He was predictable and invisible for large stretches of last year. I expect a lot more from such a talented sniper. If we keep Gaborik, we’d better get him Brad Richards somehow, otherwise I don’t know what’s gonna happen with number 10.
True, I would describe a large portion of his play as predictable and invisible. He didn’t show that usual “go and get it” approach of most big time goal scorers in the league.
Yes, injury is a possibility.
Another potential question lies in the extent that Torts’ system inhibits Gaborik’s abilities. Granted, he scored 42 one year with it so who knows.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Jun 24, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
During the 2009-10 season that Gaborik had the 42 goals, Tortorella hadn’t instilled his ultra-forechecking system. At least not that I can recall.
And you may call Gaborik “soft” but the Rangers pay the man to score goals. Not to be Brandon Prust. If he’s soft as shit and puts up 80 points a year, who cares? The points are what he’s getting paid for. Are there players that are tough and can put up a point-per-game? Sure. But that’s not who Gaborik is, and expeciting him to be that is absurd.
You can’t snipe when the puck is behind the net 3/4 of your ice time.
Re: Gaborik
You made comparisons to guys like Datsyuk and Selanne, but you have to mention that Datsyuk also has guys like Franzen and Zetterberg who can do a ton of damage as well, and Selanne might be the 4th best forward on his team. Both those guys also have defensemen behind them who can move the puck well and get involved in the offence (Lidstrom and Rafalski, Cam Fowler in ANA). Last year, Gaborik’s second most threatening teammate was probably Dubi who defenses don’t have to focus on, and with MDZ being a mess he had no help from the back line either. Almost no one’s going to have an amazing year if the other team’s entire D is laser focused on stopping only you. Against the Caps in the playoffs, when Gaborik carried the puck down the wing he had one D-man staying in front of him, one forward back-checking hard from behind him, and a second forward coming at him from the middle of the ice. He was given no space and nowhere to go, which is an issue given that his main strength is being dangerous when he gets even a little space.
Also, he separated his left shoulder right near the beginning of the season, and a separated shoulder just isn’t going to heal if you’re playing hockey with it. Hopefully it gets better after the season, because it seemed pretty clear to me his shot wasn’t the same and he lost confidence in it when he realized he wasn’t healthy enough to utilize it. With or without Richards next year, I think he’s going to feel better and bounce back.
In conclusion, if we trade him for Filip Kuba, I will jump off a tall building onto a hard, paved surface.
jm1871 and Hoggo.....
…..you suck. lol….no you guys make excellent points and you’ve deflated my argument pretty much completely. I sometimes forget that these other guys are not playing by themselves the way Gaborik is.
He must have been nursing a shoulder injury because he just wasn’t the same player.
Lets hope he’s all healed and proceeds to shut me up by scoring another 40+.
by KingHenrik30 on Jun 26, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Gaborik for Kuba? That's hilarious.
To put it in perspective, would you trade Tomas Vanek for Rob Scuderi?
Me neither.
Down year aside, Marian Gaborik is a 40-goal scorer. He makes a lot of money, but you won’t find a sniper (who’s not on his entry-level contract) who doesn’t.
The Rangers are trying to ADD goals, not subtract them. That trade proposal is Ottawa-based hogwash and nothing more.
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