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2011 NHL Draft: Why The Selection Of J.T. Miller Was A Good One

For the second year in a row Gordie Clark and company stepped to the podium and called a name no one expected. And for the second year in a row a collective "what!?" flew from the throats of Rangers supporters. 

But while you might not be as familiar with the name, from my very preliminary research, this was an awesome pick. Does Miller have the kind of goal scoring ceiling that Joel Armia has? No. But Miller plays a complete game, compared to Mike RIchards by Clark,  and will be a tremendous asset for the Rangers in the future. 

Clark has already said J.T. Miller has an underrated shot, and that he was overshadowed (not enhanced) offensivley by Rocco Grimaldi. Through Clark's analysis, Miller has a very good shot, his finishing is one of his best assets and his playmaking ability is top-flight (he had nine assists in six U-18 games for the USA). He's a good skater, something that just enhances the type of player he can become. And finally his character and leadership are top-flight, probably some of the best in the draft. Those are guys you want on your team, Miller is one of those guys. 

Now, I'm not saying he's the best in all those categories. There are players with higher ceilings on almost every aspect Miller brings to the table. But not one of them is as talented all around as Miller is (including toughness, nasty streak and the ability to fight). 

More after the jump. 

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And while you will see some scouts telling you he would be more suited in a defensive specialist role, he admittedly had an off year in production this season. Imagine where he would have been if his production (the rest of his game rounded out well) was where he wanted it to be. Also realize that on an "off year" he lead the USA in point (13 in six games) at the World U-18's and put up respectable number (but still bad one's by his standards) in the USHL. 

Here are two scouting reports on him from My NHL Draft

A player who was unable to put everything together this season, Miller is a big center with two-way capabilities. An agile skater with good acceleration, and an athletic build, Miller demonstrates a lot of things to like. A good passer, with solid puck handling skills, Miller can also finish plays with a strong shot. He's something of a reclamation project, but could pay high dividends down the road.
Submitted by: Brian Huddle of LeafsProspects.com

Jonathan MIller: watched him alot since he was 15 since his days with Pittsbhurg Hornets- Midwest Elite League.. Excels in avery area of the game. Has great tenacity and work ethic, Great passer,speed ,shot and hits. Only negative is that he has bulked up alot in upper body. The trend in the NHL is the opposite. Take a look at Samkos.

Submitted by: Edward Rossman

From 2011 Bruins Draft Watch (I bolded the key notes on Miller):

J.T. Miller, C USA- One of the bigger disappointments this season for the U.S. NTDP because his production never seemed to be commensurate with his excellent physical tools, Miller finally broke through with the kind of dominant, consistent scoring performance scouts have been waiting for. The 6-1 center from Ohio scored four goals (and some big ones at that) and was a consistent passer and playmaker. The top line of Miller, Boucher and Grimaldi gave other teams fits throughout the tourney and Miller was often the one who found himself with the time and space to make things happen with. To his credit, he did. It helped to have a linemate in Boucher who was shooting the lights out in critical situations, but Miller looked and played like a solid first-round pick. Someone who liked his tools but was concerned with the lack of production just might have seen enough to grab him top-20. Even if he slips out of that bracket, we can't imagine he'd miss on the opening 30 picks. Too much talent and upside there.

And from The Scouting Report (where he was ranked 20th): 

The skill set to be reliable 2 way forward has always been there as prior to this year, Miller has been at worst a strong skating centerman who plays hard on both sides of the puck. He always possessed the puck skills necessary to contribute offensively but lacked that consistency leading to questions about his hockey sense. Miller seems to have answered those as the year progressed culminating in an excellent showing at the U18’s. There are some rumblings that the North Dakota recruit will opt for Plymouth in the OHL.
The Rangers got a kid who has the potential (and all the tools) to be a dominant force for them for years to come. At worst, Miller allows them to be tougher to play against physically and defensively. At best, he is a player who does all the defensive and gritty work while adding a plethora of goals and assists. 

Remember, Clark has been doing this way longer than we have. Clark knows what he is doing. There is a reason the Rangers are doing what they are doing. Miller fits the young, fast and tough bill. He also fits the offensive bill. Just give it time, look at his videos online, look at what people are saying about him, and you'll see the Rangers did good here.

Really, really good. 

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Sounds good

He looks very promising, for sure, Jim. Let’s hope so :)

BTW, 1st time I ever heard of any indication that “bulking up” is a bad thing, especially w.r.t. the upper body. Any insight?

by mgweissman on Jun 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Uhh,

I wrote this …

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim, Joe

you’re somewhat interchangeable right?

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by Kevin Power on Jun 25, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimjoe is your new name.

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by Dig Deep on Jun 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they just meant (the bulking up thing) that lower body strength is much more advantageous than upper body strength. Lower body+core strength really helps with balance and strength on the puck.

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jun 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long do u think it’ll take before he can make the team?

by stepan21 on Jun 25, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

He wants to spend one year in the NCAA

and then go pro. Who knows? A lot of it has to do with how he develops.

Could be three years away. Maybe more maybe less. Depends.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its a shame this pick has to be justified

this kid seems to fit everything that Clark looks for more then any of the Rangers recent picks. Just cuz he didn’t get profiled or hyped up or was on the VS big board, it needs to be justified. Its like “oh what..who did we picks! OMG..you mean we’re all dumb and didn’t guess the pick! BOOOO!!!”

I’d like them to draft that highly skilled player and then let them develop, but I also don’t mind if they don’t draft soft players which it seems most of the guys are that are skilled yet fall to their position in the draft. I mean..who wants to draft a bunch of guys named Todd or Tucker?

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by Rorschach44 on Jun 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

its the same thing with the McIlrath pick last year, I don’t remember, but I’m sure Dylan wasn’t on everybody’s radar and everyone went on a flame war and wanted to burn Glen Sather and Gordie Clark alive but now after hearing about how he plays people are starting to fall in love with the pick

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by Kevin Power on Jun 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I'm sold on this pick

This Miller kid seems to fit this mold of a player that Gordie and Co. seem to want for this team.

Also, a bit of an off topic question, how does the USNDT compare to the CHL talent wise? I’m still not quite sure how the USNDT works

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by Kevin Power on Jun 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought all the reports we read about him yesterday indicated he was a winger. These write ups indicate he is a center which is a plus. I think many of us feel like he may not have been the best player left on the board considering we were all hoping a couple of guys fell to us……and they did in Armia and Mcneil. I’d like to see Sather move a bosy or two for a couple of second rounders.

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by earthworm on Jun 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Positions change all the time At his age, it doesn’t really matter.

by NTB on Jun 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He played all three positions this year

So he might be a player the Rangers can move around.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m holding off judgment until I see him shirtless. That’s when I buy or sell the total package he brings to the table.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Compared to some of the kids walking up to the podium, this guy actually has a better build.

He fits our system, but I refuse to believe he was the best talent available. And spare me with the “watch his highlights”, watch anyone’s highlights, they’re “highlights” for christ’s sake.

by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great pick he is going to pay off, we are trying to build a strong two way team and Miller just adds to that.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Get Used to it Folks

The Rangers are going to draft who THEY feel is the best fit for the organization, not who WE want them to draft.
Although I was pretty high on McNeill, I’m cool with Miller.
Hoping we can sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round today.

by AZRangerFan on Jun 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

bingo

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by joereiter on Jun 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

now i need to go lay down and finish sleeping off my hangover

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by joereiter on Jun 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

One Thought

I had was that the Rangers’ overall strategy for the next 2-5 years might be to draft/develop very good. . .solid. . .two-way players (like Dubinsky and Callahan, Stepan, etc.) which would ideally be suited for lines 2-4. But then acquire the super top-notch elite type players via free agency and/or trades (the Gaboriks and Richards of the world).
I don’t know which big name free agents will be coming up in 2-3 years (when J.T. Miller is supposedly ready), but it would be interesting to find out. . .

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by Stepan the Ice! on Jun 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems like that’s the plan…

by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes...

if they want this type of team, they also need to horde the picks in this category. This way we can see who develops and who doesn’t. If it doesn’t work, he’ll end up somewhere else and we’ll have ourselves another pick to play with in the future.

I like, or at least let me say, I understand, the move. Glad you wrote this one up Joe.

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by voice22 on Jun 26, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

did grachev just get traded?

by nutz_35 on Jun 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

that kinda sucks…i guess they pretty much gave up on him

by nutz_35 on Jun 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are targeting someone…. Maybe JT Miller’s boy Steve Fogarty

by The Blue Seats on Jun 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You called it Blue Seats

by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow. I really hope that doesn’t come back to haunt us. I don’t think it will. I always thought he was a bit slow. . .lumbering. He may still pull it all together, but (again) I don’t think so.

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by Stepan the Ice! on Jun 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

And wi that pick they took Stephen Fogarty apparently

by nyr326 on Jun 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

well...I asked for it

Hoped we’d sneak into the 2nd or 3rd.. and we did, at the expense of Grachev

by AZRangerFan on Jun 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m surprised at the amount of quality players that fell to the second… Specifically Musil, Khokhlachev, Grimaldi, Jurco, and Lessio

by The Blue Seats on Jun 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow way to completely give up on Grachev. Hate that move. Guy has the hands and size to be effective and didn’t get much of a shot

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by Plusch on Jun 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’m a little upset that Grachev wasn’t given one last chance to crack the roster out of camp, but if the staff thinks that Fogarty is a better player than Grachev, then I’m on board.

by The Blue Seats on Jun 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I was pissed yesterday with the selection… super pissed… but after sleeping on it i’ll live with it, it’s not who I think fit the team but if he can be a mike richards i’ll live with it…

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by Clalicata17 on Jun 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm very disappointed... again

I am seeing nothing about this kid that makes him comparable to Mike Richards.

by Hoggo on Jun 25, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Filatov to Ottawa for a 3rd

Could we have done Grachev for Filatov straight up?

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

depends on if they were eyeing a specific prospect or not…

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by Clalicata17 on Jun 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given how they felt on Grachev (not gonna pan out)

what makes you think they’d have liked Filatov?

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by Rorschach44 on Jun 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the other day, i asked gordie on the live stream (found out thru facebook) what he thought about grachevs development, if he sees him making the team out of training camp, and if he doesnt does it make him expendable?

To my delight my question was answered and he sounded pretty high on him. He said he had a tough first pro year but thts not a surprise really. He saw him putting it all together and def fighting for a spot on the team.

But then again maybe he said all those things just to keep his value high. A little sad to see him go but I guess this shows you there’s an actual plan for this organization.

Drafting guys that will get the job done and play as a team. Inserting grit and speed into the line-up and playing with a lot of “jam”(haven’t heard that in awhile). First mclrath, now JT, and now we trade another guy who reall did have skill but I guess didn’t fit into torts system. He did seem a little slow and I feel he’s going to pan out like anisimov, not that AA isn’t a good player, but why have 2 of the same when.

Anyways, I found out about this trade on this thread as I’m…..in the bathroom. Time to relocate. Hopefuly we find some diamonds in the dirt in the next couple rounds…

by polishBLUE on Jun 25, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

awesome analogy

diamonds in dirt….while on the toilet

bravo sir, bravo

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by joereiter on Jun 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully none of the guys turn out to be turds.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully none of the guys turn out to be turds.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully none of these guys turn out to be turds.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Grachev wanted out of this system. I’ve never been high on him because, unlike Stepan (and Zukes, but I was down on Zukes for his size…not any more) I never saw anything like NHL “hockey sense” from Grachev. Never. He just always seemed to miss whatever was developing at the pro level. He obviously had a role at the younger levels, but at a point you really need to work hard to adjust your game.

by voice22 on Jun 26, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok I feel better about the pick, thanks for the write up and the links Joe

at least it wasn’t a d-man heh

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by feslenraster on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

One Thing...

you said that I think is really important Joe:

“And finally his character and leadership are top-flight, probably some of the best in the draft. Those are guys you want on your team, Miller is one of those guys.”

I honestly think this had A LOT to do with the pick. We have no idea what kind of person these kids right behind him were. Character means everything to Gordie.

by voice22 on Jun 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Joe, what are the chances a similar article would have been written praising the pick no matter who the rangers picked?

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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