2011 NHL Draft - Rangers Trade Evgeny Grachev, Draft Steven Fogarty
by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
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PrintThe New York Rangers did not stay quiet while waiting for their 4th round pick to come around, opting to move up to No. 72 in the draft by trading 21 year old C/W Evgeny Grachev to the St. Louis Blues. Grachev was the 75th overall selection in the 2008 draft. He played 8 games with the Rangers last year, recording no points and a -3. He also posted 38 points in 73 games for the Connecticut Whale.
The team then used the No.72 pick in the draft to select Steven Fogarty, a center from Edina High School in Minnesota. He is committed to attend the University of Notre Dame next year.
Here's what Minnesota Hockey Prospects has to say on Fogarty:
Plays a physical brand of hockey, grinding it out on the boards and getting dirty in front of the net. Bullies his way around the ice, excelling at playing a power game. Has the ability to finish in tight and pick up his fair share of garbage goals. Has pretty good hands for a big guy and can stick handle with the best of them. passing could use a bit more touch but this is not a glaring weakness. Does not have elite speed but is a mule on his skates.
The report from Kirk Luedeke of Bruins Draft Watch:
Still, there is a lot to like about this playmaking pivot who has a long stride and gets up the ice quickly. He has soft hands and superb vision for finding teammates in open ice. His work ethic is laudable- he wants to play and loves to compete; goes above and beyond to make himself better and put himself into situations that will put him in position to improve. He's raw and needs significant work, but will spend the entire 2011-12 season in the USHL. At 6-1, 195, he's got the physical tools to be a solid NHL prospect and watch for him to go relatively high (3rd-4th rounds) in the draft.
Those reports certainly read like someone in Gordie Clark's wheelhouse.
While we could talk alot more about Fogarty (and we will), the news here is that the Rangers traded away Grachev, a former #1 propsect in their system that has since passed on the depth chart by Chris Kreider and Christian Thomas. Grachev clearly did not show the improvement that the Rangers were hoping for, or the proper motivation. Grachev is still a very talented player, and the change of scenery may be what kicks him in the butt and gets him to achieve his potential. You have to question if a third round pick in a relatively weak draft is the best Glen Sather could've done in this situation.
What are your thoughts?
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I wonder if Sather was activiley shopping Grachev around yesterday
that maybe we could have gotten back into the second round or gotten a second lower pick in the 1st…oh well I agree that maybe the move to St. Louis could be what the kid needs to get going but it seems like he’s hesitant to take that next step
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Fliatov also went for a 3rd. Why would a team overpay for an underachiever?
by NTB on Jun 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
talent…they see the talent and they start salivating
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by Kevin Power on Jun 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
A third round pick is overpaying? The Rangers former third rounder just went for a third rounder.
I’d say the Filatov trade was a steal. See Grabner.
Not quite
Grachev is a 3rd rounder who has already developed beyond an average 3rd rounder. If we got a 2nd rounder for him, maybe. But a 3rd is too little.
They wanted a player and went and got him. Judging by Brooks’ tweets (even though he blocked me) it seemed like it happened quickly. If they waited 1 or 2 years, they probably would’ve got nothing for him. Grachev couldn’t score in the AHL so far and hasn’t been able to make the team so far (He had a chance to stick with the team last year but did nothing in 8 games that warranted ice time). Seems like the team is changing things up with trades of guys like Werek, Horak and now Grachev. There most successful prospects have been the Cally/Dubinsky/Girardi types and that’s the root they want to go.
If they were shopping him I would’ve guessed they could get more then a 3rd but after seeing Filatov only net a 3rd, they probably decided they couldn’t get much more.
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the Rangers seem to be set in what they want in their prospects
and obviously Grachev didn’t pan out that way. Fogarty on the other hand seems to fit it perfectly. Even if Grachev still has more potential, I like that they have a model in the organization for what they want. This is how a team like Detroit is competitive every year.
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Eh
He showed almost nothing in the AHL. He put up third line numbers. He showed absotutely nothing at the NHl level. He looks like a bust getting a third liner for him is a okay move.
by graves9 on Jun 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the 2nd half of his first year in the AHL and the 1st half of his 2nd, sure. But he put up much better numbers the 2nd half of last year. But he was also one of the youngest players in the AHL those two years. He did almost nothing in the NHL – in 8 games as a 20 year old – but many 3rd rounders never make the NHL at all.
To hear that Grachev slipped on the depth chart below Krieder and Thomas, two guys who are not going to be on the team this year kind of sums it up. If he is not ready now, he likely doesn’t have a spot on the team. I have nothing against Fogarty, but I question if Grachev could have been moved for a better pick, maybe a second rounder. I can’t beleive that the Filitov deal accelerated the organization to dump him. I mean the brass had to know Grachev was going to be moved. I think they could have been more timely and gotten a better pick.
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I can’t beleive that the Filitov deal accelerated the organization to dump him.
That’s conjecture.
I think they could have been more timely and gotten a better pick.
If a former first rounder went for a third rounder, why do you think a former third rounder would go for anything more.The fact that they got equivalent value for Grachev as Columbus did for Filatov makes me think the Rangers did get the maximum they could have. Grachev hasn’t proven anything at any level save juniors.
I like this move, never high on Grachev.
Maybe time will prove me wrong, but somehow I don’t think so. I really like the two guys we picked up today, and after a night’s sleep, reflection, and Joe F.’s article, I am starting to really like the Miller pick as well.
I guess what excites me most is what Rorschach44 said: the Rangers seem to have a definite plan, and are constructing a team intelligently based on that plan. None of these guys may be first liners but they could be part of an excellent supporting cast for stars acquired via FA or trades.
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I don't like the move
I think Grachev got a little overrated when he won OHL rookie of the year as an 18 year old (competing mostly against 16 year olds for the honor). But he was still talented and big enough to be worth keeping, especially after putting up good numbers the 2nd half of last season at CT.
Horak, Werek and Grachev gone.
Kreider back at BC and Christian Thomas in Hartford.
Only two rookies in contention for roster spots IMO. Hagelin will be 4th line and PK and maybe Erixon land 5th/6th d spot.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jun 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
erixon would have been a consensus top ten pick this year
he may wind up as a 5-6 this year but projects as a top 4
erixon & miller sounds like a good draft, we’ll find out during the rookie camp what they bring to the table
I’m inclined to go with clark’s vision
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by joereiter on Jun 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thomas either makes the Rangers or is back in Oshawa
I don’t think he can be sent to Hartford yet.
I like what the Rangers are doing. They have a definite plan and are sticking to it.
One thing to consider though, with the WC and 24 / 7 coming up, I think the Rangers will make a definite move for a big name player. Thats just part of the theme for the show. I just hope they don’t and stick to their plan. Furthermore, that is why I think overpaying for a skilled UFA will happen.
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Hope Grachev makes to the NHL one day. Kid has all the tools he needs, just needs to put them altogether… and if he manages to do that I hope he does that far the hell away from New York.
Best of luck Grachev.
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+1, No doubt.
With the Rangers picks today and yesterday, it seems that torts is going to be the coach the next 10 years.
It also seems that were planning on building our 2nd-4th lines and defensive pairs from within, and signing the top talent as free agents.
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Honestly, I would rather the Rangers do the opposite. Purchasing free agents you’re only going to get them after they are 27 years old (at least until/ when it’s changed according to the CBA) and you don’t know how they will fit in your system. You run the risk of people complaining, like they do with Gaborik, that a player is soft or whatever other bullshit when the player is being asked to do something against what’s made them successful.
I think they should draft high end talent, then fit the third and fourth liners in around them.
Yes, but its difficult to draft top-end talent unless you’re one of the worst 5 teams in the league. So unless the Rangers decide to pull a Pittsburgh, or Chicago, or Washington, or even Tampa or NYI, a good way to build a successful team is to do what the Bruins did.
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It also seems that were planning on building our 2nd-4th lines and defensive pairs from within, and signing the top talent as free agents./blockquote>
not a terrible idea since we are good enough to not be able to draft a gamebreaker unless we find a diamond in the rough but thats gonna be tough.
damn qoutes, the bottom half is mine, top half is quoted.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 26, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the past two years the Rangers could have drafted game-breakers… the Rangers need scoring. McIlrath isn’t gping to do that, and judging by Miller’s performance in the USHL, he doesn’t seem the type. I hope he does better in college.
none of the people available to us in the past two drafts would have been locks for top line duty. You’re not really getting those without a pick in the top 7-8. Even then, its not a sure thing. Even if we went for scoring with #15 pick, that player would still be 3 years away, so none of them would solve our problems now. The team is drafting with a bigger picture in mind, and I like it personally. Its that, or tanking to get top picks.
I never claimed that any of the draft picks would solve the problems now. The issue I have is the fact that there is a glaring weakness in the organization, and that is scoring. It needs to be addressed now, and for the future.
When the coach says a dozen times a yar that they have to play a certain way because they lack the skill to do otherwise, it doesn’t make sense to me that they don’t go after the players with the most skill. And like I said, judging by his performance, Miller didn’t seem to be that compared to some players chosen after him.
I don’t want them to tank to get top picks, but I want the Rangers to choose the highest skill guys so Lundqvist doesn’t have to have Vezina-worthy performance every night for the Rangers to compete. That’s a bit of hyperbole, but you get what I mean.
But we have been forming a defensive-minded team that can play a two-way game.
If anything, that team will be better for Lundqvist than the highly offensive skilled team that can’t play defense.
It’s better to have a solid, deep, team that can play strong defense. See, Boston.
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Like you said Moshe, everyone needs to take a deep breath and look who won the cup this year. I’ve been saying it all along. Everyone points to Washington and Pittsburgh and Tampa…no doubt. But I’ve been feeling like the smartest move, in the absence of a top 5 draft pick, is to build a team built TO STOP those teams.
Vancouver just lost the cup because they did not do what Gordie IS doing.
Hats off to the cru,
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Its not necessarily that they fit the framework why we are selecting guys like Mcilrath and Miller, its also that they are character guys. They dont complain about anything and all they do is work as hard as they can to get to the NHL. If you noticed those guys are the only ones we’ve been drafting really. We want these character guys instead of taking a chance on enigmatic guys that Armia could possibly be, or a guy like Jurco ect. Im excited about the direction this team is going in, we are really really close and we are drafting well.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There are also skilled guys left on the board who don’t qualify as “enigmatic.” You’ve never heard me advocate for Jurco or Armia… or kids like Kabanov who clearly have a screw loose.
And again, I understand what kind of players with regards to character the Rangers want. I just think it’s easier to find those guys in free agency and lower levels of the draft.
I think in the first round you draft the player with the highest skill level available… disregarding those kids who already have red-flags so far as their personality issues.
Fair points. I guess the Rangers organization just feels they have a better chance at winning by building a team of core two-way guys through the draft and than signing a few skilled ones.
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Its difficult to draft “game-breakers” with the 10th and 15th picks.
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With the 10th pick, I think the Rangers could have gone after either of the two guys St. Louis drafted. And yes, it is difficult to draft game-breakers with any pick since past performance doesn’t guarantee anything. But if the idea is to pick the best player available, I’m not sure the Rangers have done that this year. Or last.
I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure everyone agrees that going with “best player available” is always the way to go.
I think they’re trying to build a team in a specific way, and choosing guys that fit into that plan, instead of collecting all of the ‘best availables’ and hoping they fit together as a winning team.
I think they’re trying to build a team in a specific way, and choosing guys that fit into that plan, instead of collecting all of the ‘best availables’ and hoping they fit together as a winning team.
See, I get that. But I think they’re going about it the opposite way. Instead of getting the “best available” in free agency and hoping they fit into the framework, why not have higher skill guys coming up through your system that you know fit the framework? And then add the other pieces around those guys, like they did with Prust, Boyle, Fedotenko…
Those character/ hard-working guys you can find because they’ve already established themselves in the NHL. It’s much harder to get a high quality guy than a character guy in my opinion. Look at this year’s free agency… it’s a one horse race.
Yeah, but also remember.. To compete we would only need a select few skill guys. Lets say 3-4 for example to cover the first line. Besides that, there is still an entire team that needs to be rounder out.
Instead of constantly choosing the most skilled player and hoping they fit and 4-5 of them turn into top line guys, I rather bring in 2-3 players A YEAR that fit into the system.
Right now we have.. Dubi, Cally, AA, Step, Boyle, Prust, Staal, Girardi, McD, Sauer, Erixon, MDZ, and Hank.
We also have some strong offensive prospects in MZA, Miller, Kreider, Thomas and some more well-rounded guys like Hagelin, Weise, etc. Don’t forget the defensive ones in Mcilrath, Valentenko, and Kundratek as well.
IMO, its easier to build an entire core and bring in 3-4 skilled top guys, than drafting a few skilled guys and trying to trade/acquire an entire team. I rather establish a team identity that encompasses the entire team. Especially if we consistently have the 10th-20th overall picks. In those spots its almost impossible to find skilled enough players who will be top-end talents.
We have the entire team now, and were still building and getting better. Two years ago we brought in Gaborik as a top-end talent, and now we could potentially bring in Richards. With Wolski, another skill guy, we would have a legit first line AS WELL as a solid team surrounding it that is home-grown and has alredy brought into a system.
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I hear you man… but the management must have reasons for doing it this way. Since I don’t know enough about it, I’m gonna have to trust ’em.
But I also think Miller projects to be better than Prust, Boyle, and Fedetenko. They’re going for guys who do it all.
Dubi, Cally, AA, etc.
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