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NYR Draft Review: Putting Numbers to Names

Not a bad haul, Glen.

            When I heard through a friend that the Rangers had selected J.T. Miller at 15th overall on Friday night, I then hopped on the BlackBerry and went to his hockeydb.com profile to check out his numbers. I wasn't happy at the time, but with more research I do in the end like the pick. Anywho, using the always handy NHL League Translation numbers, I put together a quick chart so we can see what the Rangers are working with here:

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Follow along for some quick thoughts.

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            The Average NHL Season Points is done by taking the career PPG ratio of the player and then multiplying it by the correct translation ratio. The "Ceiling" is a theory I have, and from all of my research it's somewhat accurate. I take the best individual season the player has had to date and multiply that by the correct translation ratio, and it yields what should be close to their best season in the NHL.

            With Miller and Fogarty having played in leagues where translation numbers are hard to come by, I do not have any magic numbers for them unfortunately so we'll have to trust the scouts. I really like the St. Croix and McColgan picks. Both play in Canadian Juniors, and both have put up solid numbers that have progressed higher in their first two seasons of junior play. Hopefully, they can continue to progress, which will see their projected average NHL season and "Ceiling" totals rise. Noreau, from all accounts, is a stay-at-home D-man who plays consistently in the QMJHL, so I don't have many gripes there. Peter Ceresnak just made the jump from Slovakian juniors to the Slovak Extraliga, so more will be known about his potential numbers in the years to come.

            Also, as Miller and Fogarty go off to play NCAA hockey starting this fall, they will have numbers to project after their first season is complete. Until then, it's all on the eyes of the scouts. Let's hear some of your final thoughts on the draft in the comments.

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Two more looks at NHL equivalencies—BtN’s expanded version, and CnB’s post-lockout version. I think USNTDP ~ USHL, which is slightly weaker than the CHL. No idea about high school, though.

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by red army line on Jun 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been wondering about the comparison between the USNTDP and CHL

are the talent levels comparable or is hard to judge because its three different leagues compared to a development program?

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by Kevin Power on Jun 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The CnB link has the OHL slightly stronger post-lockout than the WHL, and the QMJHL last. WHL is known for playing the style closest to NHL, and the Q is known for being very wide-open (probably a big reason the Sea Dogs’ Memorial Cup was the first for the Q since the early-90s, I think).

BtN has the USHL rapidly catching up to the CHL. I don’t think it’ll ever be stronger than the CHL—a ton of USHLers still head to the NCAA or the CHL after being drafted. USNTDP sends enough players to other leagues for us to get a picture, I think.

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by red army line on Jun 27, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I never caught the expanded version – as I linked the old site. And yes, I would agree that the USHL is (arguably, significantly depth-wise) weaker than the CHL.

by Rob L on Jun 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

By # of draft picks
CHL
USNTDP
QMJHL

Let me know how that works out for you . . .

by SimpleManiac on Jun 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Understand

But like I said within my parentheses, depth wise the teams in the USHL are weaker in my opinion. If two evenly matched teams from the QMJHL and the USHL faced off in a seven game series, the QMJHL team would probably be favored.

And by the way, the QMJHL is apart of the CHL, and the USNTDP is apart of the USHL; so I’m confused by your listing there.

by Rob L on Jun 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a list from draft stats, nothing to be inferred other then individual talent level. Not the leagues themselves.

Let me know how that works out for you . . .

by SimpleManiac on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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