2011 NHL Entry Draft Prospects: Joel Armia
With all the recent NHL and New York Rangers news we've taken a bit of a break from our draft previews, but we're back on the ship today.
One of the guys we have been discussing is Joel Armia.
Armia is one of the most interesting options in this draft, and he might be a guy that ends up falling into the Rangers' lap. Armia might be the best pure goal scorer in the draft, although there are significant defense and some motor issues to follow suite.
Armia did, however, score 18 goals and add 11 assists for 29 points in 48 Finnish Elite League games. That's even more impressive when you consider the fact that Armia is all of 17-years-old playing with men much older and stronger than him.
His goal scoring abilities have already been compared to Teemu Selanne's, and he could be exactly the type of risk/reward pick the Rangers might look to at 15.
Let's take a look at his scouting reports.
Another toolsy prospect that B2011DW will no doubt be second-guessed on, we've seen him live and we've seen him on video and sorry to all the Finnish hockey fans out there, but we just can't get on board with this guy in the top-20. We suspect an NHL club will jump on him in the top-15 because of his intriguing mix of size and scoring upside. That said, he's risky because to us, he looks a lot like a more skilled Mikko Lehtonen, who scored goals, but also went through the motions for two seasons as a member of the Providence Bruins before tearing it up in the Swedish Elite League this past year. The Bruins traded Lehtonen's rights to the Minnesota Wild, but like Lehtonen, Armia is an alternately a dazzling and frustrating player to watch. Whenever the puck is near him in the offensive zone, he's a threat to put it in the back of the net. He uses his large frame to fight off checkers and has a quick stick with laser-like release. However, when you watch the rest of his body of work, you keep wondering: "Where's the beef?" He doesn't backcheck much and just looks lazy skating up and down the wing at times. There's no denying the killer instincts offensively, but he's not nearly as talented as he and his fans think he is that he can get away with his lackadaisical approach to play in the neutral zone or his own end. Armia has the potential to blow this scouting report out of the water, but we gave him the benefit of the doubt several times. In the end, his uneven compete level and a lack of seeing him ever really take charge in any game we watched him play has him just outside the top-20.
Joel Armia is a budding power forward already playing in the Finnish Elite League at 17 years old. 6'2, 185 lbs, Armia has an incredible shot and uses his size to his advantage on the cycle. Already drawing comparisons to Finnish great Teemu Selanne, Armia possesses a similar scoring touch, though not to the same degree. Although he underwhelmed during the World Junior Championship, the Finnish team collectively flamed out during the metal round. Though he is one of the top offensive players in the draft, Armia may not go straight to the NHL, as his defensive game needs rounding out. Armia projects to go in the from any where inside to top 10-the a pick in the mid teens.
Where to begin?
Starting with the World Junior Championships, I don't mind his poor performance. As a 17-year-old playing in the Under-20's on a team that collectively didn't play well at all, I can understand him not having a good showing. He only posted a single assist in six games. In the Under-18's however, Armia scored four goals and added nine assists for 13 points in six games.
Moving onto the other concerns. His defense is a huge issue, and it obviously won't mesh well with John Tortorella's current system. His offense game would flourish, but his lack of back checking is an issue. Luckily, those two things can be taught, the two things that cant (size and scoring) he's already proficient in. The defense can be worked on right away, and he knows it's something he needs to improve on, and his back checking will come with the defensive work.
There will be some spirited debate over this potential pick, and there should be. On one hand, it's a player that's defensive game is nowhere near ready for the NHL. On the other hand, Armia is a rare blend of size and scoring and could end up being a huge steal at 15. The Rangers have a proficient scorer in the system with Chris Kreider, but you can never have too many of those guys in the system. And since Armia is only 17-years-old, he wouldn't have to be rushed to round out his game. It's also a very good sign he's so effective in a men's league.
Some mock drafts have him going as high as the top-10. Others have him going as low as the 30th pick in the first round.
In the end, Gordie Clark and Glen Sather will have to see what's available if Armia is on the board when they're calling names. If a guy like Mark McNeill is still available, I take McNeill.
But aside from McNeill, of all the prospects we've reviewed, I might give Armia a long hard look. And I might take the risk. His goal scoring potential is immense, and would intrigues me if I was at the podium.
So if he falls to the Rangers, would you want them to take him?
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He's a Finnish winger
If he was a center, they’d compare him to one of the Koivus.
I’ll take Namestnikov, please.
There's a Proverb
that says: “The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.”
It seems with almost every new prospect write up that one comes away thinking, “This is the guy! Take him!”
I’ll admit: I have no idea, and frankly, I’m glad I don’t have to make that very difficult decision come draft day. I’m also glad the Rangers seemingly have very good scouts and people who know how to make these decisions way better than me (and most of us here).
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jun 7, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Gordie and Clark...
Seem to like to take chances where other teams won’t. Just look at how they took Krieder Mcllwrath and Thomas who was passed over for his size. I wouldnt be surprised one bit if we took this kid. Draft rankings mean shit to them only the goods the kid could potentially deliver.
He’s on the list. If McNeil gets snagged (and it seems he’s moving up), I’m hoping it’s Armia that falls.
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Seeing him in the World Juniors
He was everywhere. He may not have found the net, but as a 17 year old he looked good. Like you guys said, you can never have too many pure goal scorers in the system, and with the Rangers alarming lack of goals, you just can’t pass this guy up at 15. LOVE him.
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Agreed
He was noticable at the juniors, he was hard on the puck similar to Selanne, so I see where the comparisons come from now. I say take him.
by louielounz1 on Jun 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I take only if he’s the best player available. There’s quite a few forwards we’ve previewed that would all be a solid choice at 15. If he’s the only forward left, take him.
@ one-bar
I’d take your mom, if she was the best available…
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@VeryMessier
She’ll most likely be a top pick.
But I’ll take my chances on a sleeper and go with that no-good, north-Canadian pedofile you use as an excuse for a sex slave, Jeff Bainer.
He’s far too old, he’d be better for coaching youth hockey.
He’d fit right in.
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SOrry for the Hi-Jack...
But can someone put together a REALISTIC line-up for 11-12 Below. REALISTIC being the Key Word. I would just like to see what some people who have more knowledge than me come up with. I do not see Richards coming so I see it looking something like this.
WW-Weiss-Gabby
Cally-AA-Dubi
Thomas-Step-EC
Avery-BOYle-Prust
STaal-Erixon
McD-Sauer
Girardi-Gilly
Any takers?
Girardi-Gilroy
I doubt...
doubt Avery will be there. Erixon won’t be in the top 4 (to start) & what would they have to give up to get Weiss in this equation?
More likely;
Dubi-EC-Gabby
Fedo-AA-Cally
Wolski-Stepan-Zuc
Thomas-Boyle-Prust
Staal-Girardi
McD-Sauer
Vendetenko(spelling?)-Erixon
MDZ or a 1yr rental vet to be named later as your 7th.
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jun 7, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me amend this...
I don’t think Torts feels playing a guy like Thomas on the 4th line benefits his development.
I also think Grachev has a real good chance of cracking the lineup.
Dubi-AA-Gabby
Wolski-Stepan-Grachev
Thomas-EC-Zuc
Fedo-Boyle-Prust
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jun 7, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you getting Weiss here without having a single roster player lost?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 7, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My Pt. exactly...
Think Tallon would bite on Weiss for Wolski, EC & next yrs 2nd?
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jun 7, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how much he’s had to drink that day.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 7, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Weiss could be a fantastic player next to Gabby. But that south division is famous for having high offensive output. Or at least it was a few years ago. Not sure how Weiss’s numbers would translate.
Hell, the Sex Panther looked liked a HOFer, while playing down there.
If we trade for a frontline center, it has to be a for sure center.
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
using NHL logic...
I traded Redden, Drury, Girardi and Stepan for Stamkos and Hedman.
WW, Christensen, and a 3rd round pick for OV.
And Valentenko and Erixon for Giordano.
I’m think I’m set.
OV-Stamkos-Gabby
Dubi-AA-Calli
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Hags-Grachev-MZA
Staal-Giordano
McD-Hedman
MDZ-Sauer
And the Cup comes home.
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe sub-out Thomas for MZA
and Gilly for MDZ,
without makes any moves, my lines would be...
WW-Dubi-Gabby
Stepan-AA-Calli
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Christensen-Drury-MZA
Staal-Sauer
Erixon-Girardi
MDZ-Gilroy
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ugh... i was going to do re-do it, but you beat me to the punch
Honest mistake…
Staal-Sauer
McD-Girardi
Erixon/MDZ-Gilroy
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why is everyone breaking up Staal & Girardi?
Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York!
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Spreading the wealth around…
I’d like to see those broken up so they could be paired with a younger player, and our top two pairing woud be damn near shutdown.
Also they don’t move the puck around well enough when paired together. I’d like to see Girardi paired with another dman who has a little more offense. McD would be perfect.
Its just a thought…
by MyMarriageIsVeryMessier on Jun 7, 2011 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@VeryMessier
We’ve been talking about doing this, there’s some classic look-a-likes in this thread:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?s=251af764d73db2eabd04135ca3fd9c6a&t=681815&page=40
Through various sources
I’ve heard Armia going as high as 6 and as low as 16 I think Joe is right he’s a very high risk/ high reward pick…a more talented Namenshinkov but McNeil needs to be the target
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