New York Rangers News And Notes: Derek Jeter Edition
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- This has nothing to do with hockey, but we here at Blueshirt Banter are going to tip our hats to Yankees-great Derek Jeter. Jeter went 5-for-5 yesterday including hitting his 3,000th hit (the first Yankee to ever do so) by launching a home run to deep left. More on that [Pinstripe Alley] [SBNation New York] [ESPN New York].
- Not too surprising here, but Andrew Gross is reporting that the Rangers are in the market for a veteran defenseman. What might surprise you about what he is speculating is that the Rangers might want to trade for such a player. [Ranger Rants]
The Rangers are also still in the market for a veteran defenseman to go with Mike Sauer, Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Ryan McDonagh, Tim Erixon and possibly Michael Del Zotto. With a surplus of forwards, they're in a position to make a deal.
- Reports are beginning to surface that Steven Stamkos and the Tampa Bay Lightning are so far apart on a new contract that Stamkos wants a trade. While I'm not putting too much merit into the rumors, the two sides are very far apart and nothing coming from either camp seems to be positive. I'll have a post going up tomorrow on what the Rangers would have to give for a potential trade to land the superstar, but again, it's just mid-summer speculation at this point.
-Want to know which free agents are left on the board? Look no further. [NHL]
Use this as your Sunday open thread. Obviously if any news breaks you'll find it here. Thoughts guys?
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Stamkos Richards Gaborik?
Anyone….Anyone
by XxC17xX on Jul 10, 2011 6:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ill be the first to say it...
Dubi Calli and Boyle for him
Kidding ….
by XxC17xX on Jul 10, 2011 6:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mets fan on rangers blog
the jeter headline is really not necessary
no one cares about the mets
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Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
strained calf in baseball? 2 months on DL
strained calf in hockey? its just pain
R.I.P Derek
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Jul 10, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No One Cares about the Yankees either. Go Rangers.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 11, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yankee's are pathetic
Please stop posting annoying Yankee articles on a Rangers blog…..
+1
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah!!
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any way we can send Richards and a package (not Cally, king, staalor MDZ please) for Stamkos? Maybe its possible or more likely that I’m up too early and not thinking straight
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by Plusch on Jul 10, 2011 7:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he’d wave it to go to Tampa. He loves it there
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by Plusch on Jul 10, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we're trading him
two weeks after we signed him? really?
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Calm down its not like that. All I’m saying is its possible. Stamkos or Richards you know you choose Stamkos, especially if the rumors of Stamkos wanting out are true. For the record I don’t think they are and Tampa will lock him up.
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by Plusch on Jul 10, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And if you get Stamkos you can’t have 3 guys making that kind of money together, wouldn’t work out cap wise in my eyes
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by Plusch on Jul 10, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea well they are arguably the two best centers in the league and they are then forced to surround them with warm bodies like Pascal Dupuis.
They won the cup because of the role players not despite them. If I remember correctly Crysby was sitting on the bench for the last 5 minutes.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 11, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
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J. Staals’s caphit is 4M…Richards/Stamkos/Gaborik would be 6.67 / 7+ / 7.5 … then not alot of room for the rest of the team. Not gonna happen
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Malkin and Crosby make 8.7 both I believe. So those two and Staal make 21.4M together.
Richards/Gaborik/Stamkos could make 21.4M together if Stamkos takes 7.23 a year or so.
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They’re 3 centers on 3 different lines usually, surrounded by average wingers when they arent together and they make it work because of how good they are. That scenario would not work out for the Rangers, because if they take that much money then how you can resign the rising players coming through this development program we have had going lately? You’d have to let a good amount of guys go when their contract is up if you cant afford their expected salary increase.
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Agreed, which is part of the reason I’d stay away.
I was just saying that I think I rather have Stamkos/Richards/Gaborik than Malkin/Crosby/Staal.
Or atleast its pretty close.
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boyle wolski EC MDZ and 2 1st rd picks? for stamkos and possibly extra?
im on the same boat as you plusch, its way too early for me too
NO
It’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. Your offer is basically salary plus MDZ and 2 1st round picks. Tampa doesn’t want Boyle, Wolski, and EC back for Stamkos… It would have to be one of MDZ and Erixon, a Duby/Cally (I would prefer trading Duby as I’m sure many of you would over Cally), and a Kreider. It would take severe overpayment for Stammer’s rights. Remember, it’s about quality not quantity. Just cuz you offered 4 players and 2 1st round picks doesn’t mean Tampa wants that, 3 of the players you offered are nothing to them when talking about Stammer.
by Jamy Cally Baron on Jul 10, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
and let me be clear, I would not be opposed to trading for Stammer, he is a once in a blue moon player, such as OV and Crosby. A deal of MDZ, Duby, and 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder I would do. BUT, he would have to agree to sign here first.
by Jamy Cally Baron on Jul 10, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading for Stamkos would likely require other trades/buyout to make room.
Assuming Dubinsky/Kreider/Erixon and two 1sts were enough. The Rangers would have to shed salary to sign Stamkos (probably a Wolski buyout) and possibly move another higher end salary (Girardi?). He’s going to want at least 81 over 9 or something in that Ranger.
Considering what you give up to get him both via trade and to free up salary, I’m not sure they are a better team this year or next. Would put more pressure on prospects to start contributing sooner.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why would you trade MDZ, Dubinsky, a 2nd, AND Two 1st round picks?? That’s ridiculous. Not only that but then we still have to sign him afterwards (No way he agrees beforehand). The problem isn’t Tampa, he wants to play there. Right now they’re not straight on money. We would have trouble giving him more then Tampa can. Also it would probably be a 10+ year deal, not good.
If your plan is to make that trade then just get Stamkos to sign an offer sheet of 10 years @ $9-10M per year. It would only cost 4 1st round picks. That’s an a lot better deal for the Rangers then what you suggested. If Tampa signs it (Which they most likely would) then that’s done and we don’t get him. Either way (Your trade or this) we would have to make even more moves after.
He is not worth it as the Rangers would probably lose way to much. Not to mention Stamkos has played with St. Louis his whole career and we don’t have a player like that. Also take in the fact that he disappeared for a lot of the playoffs this year.
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by NYRangerFan718 on Jul 10, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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Sometime the best trade is the one you don't make.
For those of you born before 1980.. Remember this one:
Goaltender John Vanbiesbrouck, defenseman James Patrick, right winger Tony Amonte, center Doug Weight, Alexi Kovalev and Sergei Nemchinov and $20 million in cash…. For the rights to Eric Lindros.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yes but
That was before Lindros even played 1 minute of NHL hockey. Stammer kills it at the NHL level already, very different scenario.
by TheyGotSquid on Jul 10, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I would trade the '94 Cup....
I would trade that year to have Tony Amonte and Doug Weight be career Rangers. Maybe the Dark Ages of NYR hockey wouldn’t have happened. Besides the 80’s Oilers won the Cup in 94. Now if the team we’re watching now is able to win the Cup, now that’s a NYR team.
by KingHenrik_theVIII on Jul 10, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember that...
The players that went back to Quebec in that deal turned The Nordiques/Avalanche into a Stanley Cup Champion instantly.
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by Danz10 on Jul 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is this Jeter guy a prospect of ours?
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I’d trade him for Stamkos
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by Kevin Power on Jul 10, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I was asking myself the same thing
When they say veteran defensemen and trade that kind of scares me.
Who could you go after? Maybe a Sami Salo or Rob Scuderi, but I don’t think they are aiming that high. If they are I wouldn’t mind if they went after Buffalo’s Leopold. Maybe trading MZA and a fifth. With the glut at defense on their side you never know.
by louielounz1 on Jul 10, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd trade for Stamkos
but only if its like a sign and trade and I’d offer AA, Kreider, a first and/or second, and maybe the islanders for the guy
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I feel like if you made the islanders part of the deal
it would actually take away from the value that TB would be getting.
by TheyGotSquid on Jul 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a question
Would any of you guys have a problem signing McCabe again for 3 million on a one year deal?
idk
as a last resort maybe…i wasnt all that impressed with him
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by Kevin Power on Jul 10, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Me neither, loved that canon though! He just looked very slow at times. But still that canon, come on.
by louielounz1 on Jul 10, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
how often did he shoot on the PP anyway…he was barely a factor out there
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by Kevin Power on Jul 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No, your right. I just love having a guy back there with a wicked slap shot.
by louielounz1 on Jul 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well...
i don’t know if you’ve heard this yet…but there is this guy name Brad Richards that was just signed….i heard he can run that PP really well….McCabe wouldnt get much time on the PP this year if he was resigned.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe…but i still would look in a different direction
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now you're confusing me...
in my mind, i was totally agreeing with you…
maybe i should have replied one comment up.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I’m confused…how about we settle this, we both don’t want McCabe on the team
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plus one....
he’d maybe run the second line PP….but since we’ll be scoring so many goals with the first line…he’ll effectively never play…totally not worth it unless we could get for like 1-1.5 mil (or w/e Eminger would make)
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
3 million is way too much
plz re sign Eminger for 1 million
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by earthworm on Jul 10, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
3 million for Caber isn’t that much for a team. For us right now, yes it is. I am all for signing Eminger to play the seventh defensman this year.
by louielounz1 on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
They don’t have $3m to sign him with, so yeah.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
True
I would say they could make room for him but then again if we are making room then the trade rumors make sense.
Do you guys have anyone in mind? For some reason I looked across the board and only came up with a few guys we could trade for, Leopold, Salo, Scuderi, or maybe a Hal Gill, but I still think price tag even for these guys would be to steep to tread those waters, IMO. Why not free agency there is still a lot left.?
by louielounz1 on Jul 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
MDZ or Erixon > McCabe?
Can’t see McCabe signing somewhere that he might be a regular scratch. Torts won’t dress him just for the power play time. It will put too much pressure on the other D and they might wear down again.
I’m not crazy with inexperience on the back end of the d pairs below. Would love a trade for a 2nd pair stay at home type defenseman to play 3rd pair with an MDZ or Erixon.
Staal/Girardi
Sauer/McD
MDZ/Erixon (Kundratek or V Tank)
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would..
He looked pedestrian at best. I think I’d rather see Reddening come back and get abused, than McCabe again.
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by Danz10 on Jul 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not for 3 mil. Maybe less, if theres no one else.
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As for Stamkos
I dunno. I don’t think you give up all those spects for a guy you’re going to have to pay a ton of money to. Also it would seem that Callahan and or Dubinsky would have to be included to make it work financially.
It’d probably look like the Carmelo Anthony trade, but not even close to as ignorant as that trade was considering the Rangers would still be left with a lot of good players.
I think they’re a deeper and better team without Stamkos
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what would it take?
If I was Sather, I would offer the next 4 yrs 1st rd picks for Stamkos as a start. And a 21 yr old 50 goal scorer would be worth the chance of 4 1sts that may never amount to anything and at the earliest are 4 to 6 years away from having a minimal impact here.
To NY: Stamkos
To Tampa: 2012 1st, 2013 1st, Boyle, MDZ or Girardi, Krieder
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replace Boyle with Dubinsky, and that’s about right.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 10, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
would you make that deal?
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by Kevin Power on Jul 10, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. Stamkos is obviously an out of this world player, but having 4 guys on the team at $6.6m+ players limits your ability to adequate fill out the rest of your roster.
WIth that deal, you almost have to put Erixon immediately into a top 4 role to replace Girardi, and fill out the bottom of the lineup with rookies or cheap vets. It also moves Stepan to wing immediately, which may hurt him.
It makes us better in 2011-12 for sure, not sure about the long-term impact yet.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 10, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I would do that if it was MDZ and not girardi, in a heartbeat.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to move either Wolski or Girardi before that to free up the money.
Now obviously, that’s an easy choice for most, but if you move Dubinsky and Wolski, your LWs are Fedotenko, Avery, Stepan and Boyle. That’s a pretty weak group, and one that can’t be addressed unless you move even more salary, creating more holes.
Plus I just found where the Stamkos requesting a trade rumor came from. Everyone’s favorite Eklund-like felon.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 10, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah of course, personally I dont think trading for Stamkos makes this team better it just adds an insanely good player while creating holes, totally agree.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 10, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way
The rangers can get stammer without mortgaging their entire future is to include Lundqvuist int he deal. They would have to see how far they get with Biron this season and then see about signing a veteran for their cup run.
Yeah, that’s the type of plan that would’ve needed to be addressed before hand, when Vokoun was on the market. He’s the only guy previously available that could replace Lundqvist, unless the Ducks want to trade Hiller.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading Lundqvist or even losing him to free agency can NEVER happen. Remember the post – Ritcher years? Not fun.
by KingHenrik_theVIII on Jul 10, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
::Shudder:: We went through Mike Dunham, Dan Blackburn, Jussi Markkanen, Jason Labarbera, Kirk “Mutha Fucking” McLean, and finally Kevin Weekes before we got to Henrik Lundqvist
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he was very forgettable in his time here
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good guy
bad goalie
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given your user name you are a big fan of his, but...
To get Stamkos you would have to consider it. We would be completely loaded both offensively and defensively. We would have to use some patchwork to find a goalie for the first year, but we could see about signing a trusty veteran, and then draft a goalie in the second or third round with one of our first picks in next year’s draft (where many will likely still be available) because we would likely have to give up a few firsts as well.
Trading Henrik
Just mentioning him in a trade is idiotic. How many teams have an elite goaltender? Oh and drafting another elite goalie after trading him….. Just plain dumb comments. Without an elite goaltender the Rangers aren’t making the playoffs last season and will not make a decent run this season.
by KingHenrik_theVIII on Jul 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love the name :)
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Back on the topic of 3rd pair defenseman.
What’s wrong with Shane O’Brien from the Preds. UFA made 1.6M last year. Has lots of playoff experience with Ducks/Canucks/Predators. His +/- isn’t bad and his PIM total show he’s got some nuts.
One caveat, I barely remember seeing this guy play and he could be a stiff. But based on salary stats and age (27) looks like a fit.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Has Sean O'Donnell signed anywhere yet?
I know he’s 100 years old but he would be cheap and even though hes slow of foot, his positioning is such that he was still a very effective defensive d-man for Philly last year.
by TheyGotSquid on Jul 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
minor technicality
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How good does he really need to be? Since he’s an even or better player with good size and some scrap. Outside of a qualitative assessment based on nothing.. In what way is he not good?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hes not a great defensemen but for a 6th guy I see no problem, plus he adds some grit and toughness on the back end. For one year low money I don’t see why not.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 10, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
On Stamkos
As GTGS said above, to get him you’re going to have to give up equivalent salary to fit him in under our cap.
While that means easy (for most) changes like trading/moving Wolski, Zuccarello, and Christensen, it also means Dubinsky, and/or Girardi as well.
You also have to fill their roles, with limited cap room to do so. That means another top 6 wing, or a top pair defenseman, for around $2m or so.
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I saw you said above that we would be better if we got Stamkos. I disagree. But it depends on the route we take to get him. If we can do an offer sheet type deal, then I could see how it would work. It would have to be 10+ years @ $9-10M per (Tampa would signing anything less. This would have them thinking).. So we lose 4 1st round picks, I’m fine with that. We would also have to get rid of Dubinsky. But if we do it this way, we could put him in a separate trade and get more for him. What exactly? I have no idea. Wolski is either traded or bought out. Boyle is either traded or not re-signed (Depends on when this happens. He may be signed or traded already).. Some other moves would probably have to be done also..
If we trade for his rights, Sather would have to speak with him first. See what the money is. Obviously that’s the issue in Tampa right now. He wants to play there but they money (Or length of the contract with $$) is currently the problem. If we have a chance to sign him then Sather can discuss a trade. IMO if we do a trade for his rights, then Gaborik HAS to be part of the trade. Gaborik, MDZ and maybe 1 or 2 picks. (Would be funny cause Stamkos and MDZ are good friends).. This Dubinsky, MDZ/Erixon, Kreider, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd crap makes no sense for me. Especially since he wouldn’t be signed yet and we could possibly have the same problems as Tampa. If we go that route, just attempt an offer sheet and see where that goes (4 1st round picks is a much better deal then the one listed there)..
As I stated this might makes us better but depending on how it goes down, I could see this severely bringing this team down. I happy with the current team we have. Remember that Stamkos has played his whole career with St. Louis.. He also completely disappeared for a lot of the Playoffs. I also 100% believe he is staying in Tampa so this doesn’t really matter. No chance he is with another team in the near future but everyone was speculating so I though I’d join in.
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by NYRangerFan718 on Jul 10, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos isn't going anywhere
Read Lyle Spector’s site or column once in awhile, that cat knows what he’s talking about and is right on 99.5% of the time. He’s saying that an offer sheet is highly unlikely, and a trade is even MORE unlikely than that for Stamkos.
I like how Joe mentions in this post that “Reports are beginning to surface that Steven Stamkos and the Tampa Bay Lightning are so far apart on a new contract that Stamkos wants a trade.” What reports? or are these opinions? And from who? Fans?
I haven’t seen one credible news source say that the sides are so far apart that Stamkos wants a trade. I’m sure on some blogs and hockey forums people are merely speculating but no one close to the negotiations has leaked anything to anyone on TSN or in the Tampa Bay area media.
Stamkos signs in TB for $8.1mil per over 5 years. That’s my guess.
The sides are obviously quite far apart
Again, if you actually read what I wrote you would see that at this point it’s just speculation.
The end result is that he’s not signed yet, and nothing coming from either camp is positive.
Again, just speculation, repeat: just speculation. In case you missed it: just speculation
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 10, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
speculation
is this speculation or are we getting serious with this??
Of course, the Rangers and Cally/Duni are also “far apart” and we every intention of getting them signed.
Very true
But even if the two sides don’t agree on a deal they will have to once the arbitrator makes his ruling.
Stamkos obviously isn’t headed for arbitration. So a little different.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 10, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Joe, you clearly said
Reports are beginning to surface. To me, “reports” mean that there was something solid being said or “reported” on.
“All’s quiet,” Yzerman said. “I don’t expect to hear from anybody till Monday. I expect it to be a quiet day today (Saturday) and a quiet day tomorrow (Sunday) as well.”
It is believed negotiations with Stamkos, lately, have made progress. But Yzerman said Stamkos’ agent, Don Meehan, was tied up Friday in New York with the league’s hearing into possible mistakes the Predators made in extending qualifying offers to its restricted free agents, and Yzerman said the plan is for him and Meehan to speak Monday.
- From Damian Cristodero at the St Pete Times.
Ominous. Or not.
by TheyGotSquid on Jul 10, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lighten up francis.
Google search Stamkos contract negotiations.. I bet you find more articles (blogs and real media) using the term “far apart” to describe the status of negotiations versus “fairly close”. Count em up and put em in chronological order, then report back to us. I’m going to be busy laying cable in the interim, so no rush in compiling your findings.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok Josephus
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I also said
While I’m not putting too much merit into the rumors, the two sides are very far apart and nothing coming from either camp seems to be positive. I’ll have a post going up tomorrow on what the Rangers would have to give for a potential trade to land the superstar, but again, it’s just mid-summer speculation at this point.
It’s just speculation on something that CAN happen. Will it happen? Probably not. But it’s the middle of the summer, this is what blogs are about.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 10, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha it’s your site now!!!!!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 11, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so you know Squidward, if Stamkos is traded you owe Joe a fanny-kissing fan post…..new rules.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 11, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear the banhammers...
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
have been polished and are ready to crush all infidels (or people that disagree with Dig/8k).
there’s no difference
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“especially” instead of “or”….but at the very least there are different levels…
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure which is the worst.
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well i’m sorry, and respectfully dont care…lol too hot in my apt to think right now.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned a few weeks ago
Send Wolski, Boyle 2 1sts and add a second. It was a mistake to let Gilroy leave (although I understand the money issue); this is certainly where his being here would make Girardi available.
Girardi ($3.325m), Wolski ($3.8m) and Boyle (I’m guessing $1.35m, and the picks) would make up $8.475m; on a $9m hit like Stamkos could be, this is not bad, considering it wouldn’t hamper the remaining cap.
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by Danz10 on Jul 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Forget Stamkos, keep Emi, and go with what we have . We have all the pieces we need without making a major move. Yes we can improve, but at what cost? IDK, but with Emi, watch the last Ranger / Boston game. He was one of the best players on the ice. As far as Stamkos, I think one of the reasons he did not show in the playoffs, was that maybe he was not happy? Dynamics of the team and locker room not meshing? Who knows. TB will do everything in their power to keep him.
Once again, no need to llok for a 7th D man when we have him already and he played that role well last season.
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Wolski, Girardi, MZA & probably Dubi or Gabby would have to be in
For any deal that included Doughty or Stamkos. if we didn’t deal a ton of salary for either one then we wouldn’t even be able to fit them under the summer cap if we re-signed all of the RFA’s.
Maybe they’d take back Redden or sumpthin, then they’d be gettin redden of our rubbish like a garbage man tsst tsst
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by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 6:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
For Shits and Giggles
I came up with a scenario where Stamkos could actually fit under the cap here and not create more holes needing to be filled. Not suggesting I think our team is better with him or that we could get him at all (let alone without parting with Dubi or Cally)…but here is the fantasy:
NYR Anisimov/Girardi/Wolski/Kreider/2012 1st/2013 1st for Stamkos
FORWARDS
Dubinsky ($4.125m) / Brad Richards ($6.666m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Stamkos ($8.175m) / Callahan ($3.950m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.400m) / Boyle ($1.85m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Michael Rupp ($1.500m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
/ Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Mike Sauer ($1.250m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Eminger ($1.000m) / Pavel Valentenko ($0.850m)
/ Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)
BUYOUTS: Chris Drury ($3.716m)
I think the defense suffers without Girardi. Erixon would also be thrown into some tough minutes, but this offense, particularly the PP is top notch. Fun to think about Stammer, BR and Gabby all on the ice 5 on 4. Is this team better in the long run?
I agree that this year it might be a stretch…but by next season I think Girardi is expendable. With the reports that McIlrath’s skating has improved and VTank/Kundratek/Pashnin waiting to step up…something has to give. I am not assuming MDZ will regain his rookie form…but if he does, we will quickly have a logjam on D. If we knew he was solid for third pair minutes this season, I think you could argue that we would be ok without Girardi, as long as we signed Eminger or an equivalent.
What if MDZ is subbed for Girardi? Does that make it a better deal for us assuming MDZ does not regain his rookie form…and if he can’t do that, won’t he likely become Gilroy 2012?
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That's d scares me a bit.. much easier decision if it was summer 2012.
I think the back end of that defense would spend a ton of time in the penalty box, on the bench and sprawling on the ice trying to defuse odd man rushes.
However, if Sauer and McD progress with Erixon or McD stepping up this year… Girardi could be packaged in a deal next summer to open cap space for another forward. His cap number is reasonable right now, but the better the young guys get the more he becomes expendable.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 10, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't worry guys...i got this
Wade Redden for Steven Stamkos…straight up
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Put whats the point of getting Stamkos if we don’t have Redden to outlet pass to him?
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No
Why would we possibly make this trade?
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by XxC17xX on Jul 10, 2011 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we didn’t just give them Gilroy this might of happened you never know haha
by XxC17xX on Jul 10, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow thats totally unfair
Make them throw in St. Louis too
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by louielounz1 on Jul 11, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stamkos!!!! might!!!! not!!!! be!!!! such!!!! a!!!! great!!!! idea!!!!!
lol..seriously though…
We had almost six twenty goal scorers last year. This season that number most certainly goes up by one with the addition of Richards. Anisimov almost certainly breaks 20. If just these six guys (the five twenty goal scorers and AA) each get 5 more goals over 82 games that alone is an offensive increase of 30 goals. I like that depth and dynamism.
The old adage goes about guys like Steven Stamkos – if you have an opportunity to bring in such a once in a generation kind of pure offensive talent you do it no question.
But are we really in need of it? This whole Stamkos conversation – who you’d give up, how many first rounders and different players it would take. It smacks too much of the litte kid who has a really nice toy and then finds out the neighbor’s kid as a different toy that he covets so he gives up eight of his own toys for that one. Its too risky. What if the new toy breaks or misses time? Suddenly you lack the depth that allowed us to scratch and claw our way into an albeit short postseason.
Keep the faith I say……add a veteran defenseman or bring back Steve Eminger. He was decent.
Brian McCabe would be a waste of money as I think he’s quite terrible.
We need to see some Corsi metrics on Eminger/McCabe/Shane O'Brien/2009-2010 Wade Redden
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by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 11, 2011 5:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Redden 09-10 – 2nd pair comp, adj Corsi/60 = +1.558
Eminger – 3rd pair, -5.59
McCabe – 3rd pair, -3.87
O’Brien – 3rd pair, -3.65
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by George E. Ays on Jul 11, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean Redden would be palatable at around 3.5MM (if he could repeat 2009-2010 performance)?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 11, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not at all.
The biggest thing with Redden is/was that he was signed to be an offensive defenseman. He was no such thing when he came here, which is why he got killed for everything he did. Defensively, what this shows is that when he was on ice, the puck was more often than not in the offensive zone. He actually led the defense in fewest shots against per 60 minutes (28.3), just ahead of Staal (28.7)
But again, the problem is that for whatever reason, he wasn’t able to take advantage of anything after that (he had the fewest points per 60 of any of the defenseman at ES), and he did nothing to help the PP either.
I think he could still eat up bottom 4 minutes as a defense-first defenseman without a problem. But I wouldn’t pay 3.5m for that at his age. $2m tops.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 11, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m gone 10 god damn days and Fortunato turns this place into a Jeter splooge fest.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 11, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
BOO!!
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