New York Rangers Analysis: Choosing The Rangers Captaincy
As far as this offseason has gone Sather has done just about everything right. He's bought out Chris Drury, a necessary move for the team to move forward. Glen also went out and acquired Brad Richards, the number one center this team has needed for a long time.
There is something this team is missing however, a captain.
With the Rangers buying out Chris Drury they have a need for someone to take up the captaincy and while Ryan Callahan may be destined to fill in that role, there are two alternate (assistant however you want to put it) spots that need to be filled. Some say that its Dubinsky and Staal's spots to lose some have other ideas
Take the jump to see my top five candidates for those alternate captain slots
Brandon Dubinsky: One of the more obvious choices as fans and the team have come to see Callahan and Dubinsky as the dynamic duo of this youth movement that the Rangers are going through. He isn't a bad choice to be Cally's second in a similar situation as Jagr and Shanahan (Jagr led on the ice while Shanahan led in the clubhouse) Dubi seems to be the more spirited of the two but Callahan's effort on the ice and his self sacrifice gives him the C
Marc Staal: Staal is another leader of the youth core, being the team's best defenseman he would be a good choice to back up Callahan as a voice of leadership on the ice seeing as how he brings that same effort game in and game out
Brad Richards: While Richards may be a new addition to the team, he has been an alternate captain during his brief stint in Dallas and coach John Tortorella knows about Brad's leadership credentials very well since the two won a cup in Tampa Bay with Richards getting Conn Smyth honors during that play off run. Also Richards could be a good veteran leader to help teach Callahan and Dubinsky grow as leaders of a professional team
Brandon Prust: Yes Prust may not get the attention that Dubi and Cally get, but Brandon Prust proved last year that he is willing to do what has to be done for the team and still did not miss a game. His on ice work ethic and his awesome "It's just pain" quote puts him in the running for an A
Rotating alternates: While Callahan is the most deserving of the C, head coach John Tortorella may want to rotate who gets the A as the team plays throughout the season
The decision as to who will get the C and two As will be made after training camp by the head coach, but it never hurts to speculate.
Here's my choice for the Captaincy
C- Ryan Callahan
A- Brandon Dubinsky
A- Brad Richards
OK guys...thoughts? Opinions?
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Dubi
He should be next if Cally is getting the C Dubi should replace his A. Our youth will be led by the ones who came before them and thats Cally, Dubi and Staal. I like Richards and i can see y he could get an A but i just think with how our team is built that is should go to our home grown. I love Prust he is great to watch and i root for him but i just dont see it happening for him. They all have their positives im just a homer for our home growns and youth.
I think it has to be Cally ©, Staal (A) (you can’t take it away from him), and Richards (A). I am a big Dubi fan but I think this makes sense. Of course, I think BR would be a leader with or without the letter as he understands his role so Dubi may end up with the other “A.” OR, you can alternate the “As” between Dubi and BR.
There are two options for the C: Callahan and Staal. A lot speaks for Cally wearing the C but with all the responsibility Staal gets, I think he’d be a good captain too.
The two As will go to Staal or Cally (whoever will not wear the C) and Brad Richards. Giving Brad Richards an A makes a lot of sense with what the Rangers expect from him. N1 center, leader for the young guys etc. I like Duby but unless Torts decides to rotate the A there’s just not enough As for him to get one.
Only concern about Cally
We need his production, not crazy about adding the pressure with the C. Marc Staal wouldn’t be phased by it and has risen to the occasion every time he’s been asked during his time here.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 7:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Cally will do just fine under pressure considering he was our unofficial captain all year. Now they’re just inking it.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 13, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated.. I have built a team out of existing UFAs that could beat the Islanders in a best of seven.
You could put this team together for less than the Islanders payroll and it would be better (but way older).
Left Wing Center Right Wing
Propsal Niedermayer Selanne
Samsonov Stillman Zherdev
Ruutu Marchant Grier
Moreau Madden Sjostrom
Dave Hannan Brent Sopel
Shane O’Brien Steve Eminger
Ruslan Salei Paul Mara
Marty Turco
Ty Conklin
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 6:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Swap out Prospal and Stillman, and Ruslan Salei is heading overseas.
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by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 7:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that team on paper isn't actually half bad
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by feslenraster on Jul 12, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
neidermayer is ur 1st line center?
thats a prob right there……..lol
by giantsNYrangers on Jul 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
true but that can still compete
…regardless of the walking corpse lol at “#1” center
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by feslenraster on Jul 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
sign samsonov,zherdev and or prospal...
To play on AA’s wings and we could have our own red army line.
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by Stroker Ace on Jul 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Prospal is Czech...
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Sorry, just have Prospal and Stillman switch lines and positions. Eminger and Mara are your power play “specialists”. Marchant is retired. Lol
"The winner of the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is Number Eight, Brandon Prust!"--Ofc. Colin McDonald, NYPD, April 7, 2011
by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t discuss the technical merits of this post . . . because I’m laughing too hard.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That you would even think to do this is sublime, brilliant (“smart” adjectives ad nauseum)
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Hannan?
Also, that’s not beating NYI. Selanne is the best forward on either team, but NYI is icing the next 6 best forwards. The goaltending may not even be better than NYI’s, and on D, Streit’s pairing and Macdonald-Hamonic are the two best D pairs.
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by red army line on Jul 12, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The captaincy should go to Dan Girardi, IMO. This team has been built on its defense, and Girardi showed that more than anyone over the last 2 years more than he has.
His alternates should be Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky. Although the team has veterans on board, the youth should be put to the test in terms of their leadership. I think they can meet that challenge.
"The winner of the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is Number Eight, Brandon Prust!"--Ofc. Colin McDonald, NYPD, April 7, 2011
by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 7:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is that you Frankie? lol
by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 12, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
Can’t say it is, Dude.
"The winner of the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is Number Eight, Brandon Prust!"--Ofc. Colin McDonald, NYPD, April 7, 2011
by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think he’s lying…next thing you know he’s going to be calling for Jared Boll to be our Captain.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
He’s my choice to wear the San Diego Chicken suit next, though. So he can get chokeslammed by Kane at the next WWE Royal Rumble.
"The winner of the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is Number Eight, Brandon Prust!"--Ofc. Colin McDonald, NYPD, April 7, 2011
by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Captains don’t stand by and watch their team’s best player get hammered into the ice by goons like Dan Carcillo.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jul 12, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Some People really will never let this go
Not saying I blame you; that was a total embarassment, but IMO, Girardi more than made up for it last season. He’s not my captain for next season, but he definitely could have worn the C on his chest this past season with cally and drury out for so long.
I know he looked lost sometimes without Staal, but he sacraficed his body for the team and defended his teammates all season long.
by Town on Jul 12, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some laugh a little longer, some cry a little longer.+1 on him defending teammates last season. His sacrifices should not go unrewarded.
"The winner of the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is Number Eight, Brandon Prust!"--Ofc. Colin McDonald, NYPD, April 7, 2011
by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's first sign Dubi and Cali
And try not to trade away Staal.
Then we’ll speculate who will be C and A.
For now it’s only BR and Prust who have locked up spot.
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by 68 Forever on Jul 12, 2011 8:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I agree you can’t take the A away from Staal as he’s already earned it but I hate the idea of Dubi missing out on the A because he has been an obvious leader especially emotionally. I do however see it going as most of you have said: Cally with the C, BR and Staal with the As. Don’t forget what someone else mentioned about different home and away alternates like 94 though unorthodox this team seems to be a prime candidate for something like that. But I don’t think that will happen. My want is Dubi and Staal with the As and Cally the C but I think it’ll be like I said before.
by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 12, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
alternating A's
I have in the past suggested having different A’s for home and away games. I believe Renny did it and obviously its been done prior (Keenan).
anyway I would LOVE to see 4 A’s reason being there are so many people who deserve it. To me Cally wearing the C is a forgone conclussion. At home i would have Dubby and Staal. away would be Prust and Danny G. To me that is the most fair way to reward your warriors that you have built a team around.
by Brian Vranch on Jul 12, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken
Keenen did it with Leetch, Graves, Lowe and Larmer in 1993-94
Renny never did keeping Jagr, Kasparaitis and Rucchin as alternates during 2005-06
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jul 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.....
All homegrown and definitely deserving.
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by Stroker Ace on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thing about duby
Him and cally almost always play together and they should. But you really want the assistant cs on different lines for the advantage of having a leader more available to talk to the refs. Leading by example might also be better spreading out a bit.
I think boyle or prust are deserving. Stepan is a choice down the road also.
I’d like to see home and road alternates again might help even out our crappy home performances
by Pballer505 on Jul 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why do we need a captain immediately?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
To sell more jerseys. Gotta get the Cally with the C. Makes my heritage Cally with the A look so 2010.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same problem with my Leach Jersey. But then Mess can back and I was fine.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
me 2,but i had a.......
Leetch jersey.
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by Stroker Ace on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love it
Gots me a Leetch “C” jersey and proudly wear it. My Mess one has his and Gravy’s autograph, so it’s been permanently enshrined away from any potential laundry damaged! :)
nice
I have the white(home at the time)with the C on it.take care of that autographed one,thats historic!
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by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
we don't need one immediately
but i figured we could use a different discussion topic besides stamkos pipe dreams
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, there’s the Brad Richards quota we have to fill.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe Sather put that clause in his contract
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Pressure
I think the “C” belongs to Callahan and the “A” belong to Dubinsky and Prust. Richards has got enough pressure on him without adding the additional weight and responsibility of captaincy. In the end the coach will choose who wears which letter or any at all. The coach gets to see who is leading the team on and off the ice. The fans, as much as we love our team and it’s players, only see a fraction of what goes on with the team dynamic.
I’m sure Torts will make the right choice.
by SideByEach on Jul 12, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
As I say in threads every now and then, I would say Staal is 4th or 5th down the line in deserving of an A. He is one of the most talented players in the NHL, makes his D partner better and eats up big minutes, but I think Dubi, Cally, Prust and now richards will do more to deserve letters.
Not to sound like a goon monger, but I think a prerequisite for a letter is that you will stand up for your teammates on the ice. Staal doesn’t do that, simply put. The only fight i remember him being in is when semin embarassed himself by slapping him like a bongo, but that overshadowed the fact that Staal turtled on the ice.
As I’m sure someone will bring up, we don’t know what goes on in the lockeroom, which is true, but from what I see (which is all I can use to speculate), Staal is way too bland and behind the scenes to wear a letter for this team. That said, I’m not sure how you can take the A away from him.
Give the "C"to Avery.
Just to piss off the rest of the League and make the Refs talk to him.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 12, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
It’s tough to win the cup when your penalty differential is -300.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 12, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It could be like the ’68 Jets, who made Namath the captain so he would grow up and become a leader instead of being a selfish player.
Anyone else want KoolAid?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 12, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the GUy..
But IMO there is no place for Avery on this team any longer. Unless he blows us all away in Training Camp or Pre-Season. I would much rather give his spot on the third line to a younger more desrving AHL’er like Hagelin or Thomas. Any one else have any ideas on this..
I am pretty sure the Rupper signing just sent Avery to the AHL, or the Press Box, or back to Vogue.
thomas has never played in the AHL, Hagelin played like 6 games after college last year. How does that make them more deserving AHLers?
I have no problem if they beat him out in camp, I want the best guys on the team, but these guys have zero history of playing professional hockey. they deserve nothing untl they earn it.
I think he stays
if only for the fact that he and Richards are close friends. May not be right (if true), but I think this dynamic is in play as Torts considers what to do with Avery. Can you imagine the physicality of a 4th line of Avery, Rupp, and Prust? I’d be “old time hockey” again!
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 12, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Players should get spots by merit… Not who they are friends with
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IMAGINE BETTMAN HAVING TO HAND HIM THE CUP???
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Have Bettman’s daughter give it to him . . .
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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What a riot those “discussions” would be:
So, where do you stand on the whole gay marriage thing?
Would you like something from my restaurant? Here’s the To-Go menu.
Excuse me, but it says quite clearly in MY rule that you can’t wave hands. It says nothing about me slapping Marty upside the head.
It’d be like Slap Shot meets Bull Durham. To be shown in HD on 24/7 :)
O….M….G! :)
Richards
They signed the guy to a 9Yr deal and to be a leader of this team. While I do think Callahan has earned the right to be named Captain, I think Staal and Richards will get the A’s.
C – Callahan
A – Richards
A – Staal
Don’t get me wrong, I think Dubi is certainly capable of wearing a letter and has proven he can be a leader on this team. I just have a feeling Torts will want Richards to take on that role more so than even maybe Callahan.
Yes, this is my call too Mike. We have a nine year commitment to Richards. This means we’re, in effect, asking him to lead us…somewhere. I would begin with giving him an A and make him earn the C through his performance. He shouldn’t step right on the ice with the C on his chest, that would be too much. But it should be there for him to earn.
In the meantime, this is Callahan’s badge. Dubi and Staal have also earned it. Prust, as much as I love him, is not an elite player in any capacity. He’s great to have, I want to keep him, but he’s not an A or a C by a mile.
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I also agree
and can’t add much more here, except given Torts knowledge of (his game) and relationship with Richards, BR will almost certainly wear a letter this year, and for reason well articulated above, it will start off as an “A.” As for the other letters, I think and hope it will be C for Cally, and A for Staal.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 12, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cally gets the C, Staal gets an A, Richards or Dubi get the A. Pretty simple.
by louielounz1 on Jul 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed. I’ll call Torts tonight and make it happen.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I love seeing how many people admit that they are Dubi fans!
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m gonna miss that
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Miss Mike Richards?
Or miss Dubinsky beating him about the face and neck?
I’m gonna miss Dubi rearranging Richards’ facial features
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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, Big J is an FA?
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Torts will not take a letter away from somone unless deserving. That being said that means Staal / Cally stay A or one gets a C. Being that as it is Torts helped get Cally onto team USA but somehow Dubs was not on that team during the olympics, Going with that train of thought leads me to believe that Cally will be named Captain when he is resigned, Staal will remain with 1 A, If, and I hope not, they go with the traditional style of A’s, you have Staal and 1 other.
I will be truely happy if Prust gets a letter but only time will tell
C – Callahan
A – Richards
A – Staal
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by GAThingy on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I could care less who wears the letters so long as the team competes and plays well.
I was wondering if I was the only one.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 12, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that has anything to do with who is wearing a letter and who isn’t.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From Wikipedia
According to International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) and National Hockey League (NHL) rules, the only player allowed to speak with referees about rule interpretations is the captain, or, if the captain is not on the ice, an alternate captain.12
Although the rules do not specify any other distinction between the captain and his teammates, the captain has numerous responsibilities to the team, particularly in North American professional hockey. The captain is a dressing room leader, and also represents the players’ concerns to management.3 During the game, captains are expected to motivate their teams, particularly captains who are stars or franchise players.[citation needed]
The captain is often considered the primary representative of the team to the public, sometimes is responsible for organizing the team’s social functions, and performing ceremonial on-ice functions such as award presentations or ceremonial faceoffs.3
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I'm not saying anything
I’m just offering an explanation of what a captain does
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i know your not but that definition pretty much describes Cally.
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No but
We did see a team that was fully committed to playing a selfless style and that held together much stronger than any team in recent memory. They stayed in control when leading games (undefeated in the regular season when leading after 2) and were able to claw back into games that in previous years they seemed destined to lose, the Boston game at the end of the year being the best example. Maybe they didn’t have a de jury captain, but they were far from aimless out there.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 12, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
The whole captain thing has to be one of the moat overblown conversations. It really doesn’t matter that much. Even if Richards doesn’t have a letter, he is still going to speak up and be respected.
by NTB on Jul 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
its just something to talk about
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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya know, you're right.
We should just delete this entire post. I’m so sorry for taking part in this utterly foolish…waste of time endeavor. Please forgive me.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 12, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If i recall correctly Gretzky didnt wear a letter while in NY. hard to believe people didnt listen when he spoke
by Brian Vranch on Jul 12, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Your 3 picks are kind of a slap in the face of Staal...
There’s no way they would take the ‘A’ away from Staal and give it to Dubi. That would be insulting. Staal wore it during the year in Prospal’s absence, so clearly he was next in line. If Dubi were to get a letter, it would have to be alongside Callahan and Staal, who already wore them. So if Richards gets a letter (which I doubt) then Dubi will likely be left without one since two others are ahead in line.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Lots of love for Dubi.. common name on other teams wish lists.
Are they hot for him because of what he has done or what his upside still might be. He’s a good player, but he’s a 50-60 point guy in my book. If Rick Nash gained 25 pounds of beer gut or ruptured both achilles tendons and had nerve damage in his hands that resulted in him losing 15% of his stick handling/passing/shooting/finishing ability… he’d be Brandon Dubinsky.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
they're hot 4 him.......
Cause they’ve seen the ’stache
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by Stroker Ace on Jul 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Steve not Rick?...cause Cally to Stache to Nash sounds like a goal call to me.
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by Stroker Ace on Jul 12, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He shoots...he scores!
I’ll buy that for a dollar.
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by Danz10 on Jul 12, 2011 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+2 for the Robocop reference.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Once you go beard, a bare face is weird?
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Should be the site signature for next year’s playoff run
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 13, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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…agree with your cherces, 8k. Next question? :)
And furthermore....
Jess Rubenstein just posted a similarly themed topic on his “Prospect Park” blog about how leadership is not defined by a letter worn, to which I replied the following which explains further as to why Cally is, gloves down, THE man…
While a letter may not explicitly “define” leadership, it damn well sure helps to be a not-so-subtle reminder to teammates when they see it day after day permanently sewn right above the R-A-N-G-E-R-S logo on that player’s sweater. If u look at the first defn of leadership Jess included…
“The test of a leader lies in the reaction and response of his followers. He should not have to impose authority…He must make his influence felt by example and the instilling of confidence in his followers. The greatness of a leader is measured by the achievements of the led. This is the ultimate test of his effectiveness.”
…this has got Cally written all over it, as an NYR Captain for sure. While BR has shown these qualities while wearing TB and DAL uniforms in ours and other buildings, he has yet to do it while wearing NYR colors in MSG/NYC. That’s a fact. Cally has. Also a fact. And, though Staal certainly logs enough minutes to make an overall impact on a game or games, Marc’s ability to sense and dramatically change the flow of a particular game with a timely hit, a precious PPG, a PK blocked shot (sans injury, hopefully) or a fight is not as prevalent nor as instinctive as it is with Cally. Or with Dubi for that matter, who was noticeably left off Jess’s list (ref. Dubi vs. Ovie @ MSG’s 7-0 rout.) Plus Staal seems very “Leetch-like” in his soft-spokenness and I think the “C” would weigh heavily on Marc’s already tiring 30+ mins./game, just as it did on the superior-skilled Brian.
If you subsequently add Messier’s defn. of leadership to the mix…
“As a captain, I think it’s important that the players really know who you are and what you stand for, what your beliefs are, and to be consistent in those if things are going good or things are going bad.”…
…it’s Cally again and not b/c I think so, or most fans think so or even b/c the revered Messiah himself may think so. Just go back and look at post-game after pre-game after b/w-game interviews with Torts, the man who, as NHL rules stipulate but I do not agree should be solely responsible for, will ultimately decide who our next Captain is. JT consistently lauded and praised Cally all season long for his singular ability to define and represent the “identity” of this team, what the Rangers as a team and organization “stood for”, and both times when Cally went down with injuries, Torts flat out called it “devastating” and the loss “irreplaceable.” The often clandestine coach also quite frankly admitted after Cally’s Chara-induced, season-ending injury that he’d have to break the habit of calling out “Cally” from behind the bench every time it was a PP, a PK, a 1-goal deficit, a spark was needed, during the frenetic last minute, etc., etc., etc.
In all honesty, the bottom line is I don’t see how GS, JT, Rammer or anyone else even remotely affiliated with this team, as it is currently constituted and finally well-positioned for both the short and the long-term, can pick someone other than #24 to wear the “C” w/o having to defend the utter hypocrisy of it all.
We shall see… :)
C- Callahan
A- Staal
A- Richards
I don’t think it is right to take the “A” away from Staalsy after the team gave it to him last year. I also think that we need to put the “A” on him to make it clear that he is the leader (albeit a young one) of the defensive corps. I think it is essential to have someone in that very young group step-up as the guy who everyone looks to as an example.
Dubinsky is a little too impulsive and fiery for an “A” in my opinion, though that also may be why he would make a great alternate captain.
This must be the first time we have disagreed on something in a long time 8k… I feel empty inside.
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+1
Not exactly sure why torts went with Staal instead of Dubi, but that decision has already been made and to reverse it would be an insult to Staal. No chance that happens. Cally has a letter too, whether its a C or an A is still unclear. So either Dubi or Richards will get the third letter. If its Dubi then Cally gets the C. But if Torts goes with Richards, its definitely possible that he gives him the C right out of the gate.
I for one agree with George – - it does not really matter to me – - just something to talk about while waiting for the RFA’s to sign.
by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 12, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean that we have to remove the matching tattoos we got
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by Kevin Power on Jul 12, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, let’s keep ’em.
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Only the players know who the captain will be....
….either Dubinsky or Cally for C depending on who they feel is the best leader. For me its Callahan. I like the alternating road/home Alternates.
Cally – C
Home:
Dubi – A
Staal – A
on the road:
Richards – A
Girardi – A
If Dubi does not get a letter...
…do you think Torts sits him down and explains to him why? Certainly he’s deserving of one. One might be concerned that he’d get a bit emotional and who knows, we even risk losing him long term. ??
Yeah Torts would have to talk to him because its been known Dubi wants the A really really badly.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 12, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply put, no.
I think this thread has shown pretty clearly there is a wide range of candidates on this team that could wear a letter. I think he would owe an explanation to Staal or even Callahan if he were to take a letter away, but I don’t think he should have to explain why someone doesn’t get one.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all…if Dubi gets all emotional and throws a tantrum that he doesnt have a letter on his jersey than maybe we should rethink him as a leader of this team
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Agreed
Or to put it another way:
If he throws a tantrum because he doesn’t have a letter, then he doesn’t deserve a letter.
That goes for any player.
That’s one of the things you gotta love about Torts – he definitely makes his players earn their ice-time & their role on the team.
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't read everyone's comments, but...
I think the team is better served if Dubinsky is not part of the designated leaders. His fire naturally pulls his teammates behind him and forward united, labeled or not.
One thing we see from Dubi that we all LOVE is his “take no sh1t from anyone” attitude, as demonstrated when he beat the $!# out of Ovechkin at center ice that time (or the other times). He likes to mix it up both physically and with words, and likes to play out to the edge almost like an agitator. I worry tagging him will actually make him change the way he views his role on the team and take a small step away from that edge. But that edge is exactly where he should be.
C- Callahan
A- Dubinsky
A- Staal
I could easily see Torts giving it to Richards over Dubi though. I would give it to Dubi though cause he has been here is whole career AND I could see him being offended by not getting it because it means so a great deal to him. Richards on the other hand could lead with or without the letter and will probably not be an concerned by it.
Dubi would probably feel snubbed if Richards gets it over him, where I think Richards would be happy to see the kids lead, especially with all the pressure already on him.
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dude, you're great at this
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holy carp!

okay yeah just wanted to post that picture…
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Dubinsky comes close to getting an A. Torts didn’t like the way he handled the last contract and I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened again. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, I just don’t think he’ll get it. At least for now.
I would make it:
C- Callahan
A- Staal
A- Girardi
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I think Callahan and Staal are keeping there A’s n Richards is getting the C. I prefer he didn’t because in the back of my mind I feel like ON THIS team he hasn’t earned it . Plus I don’t know if he is a quiet guy or one who actually steps up to talk to refs during calls because we barely know him. That’s one thing I liked about Drury when HE DID play he would always talk to the refs. I noticed Prospal was big on that too but ill Shush about Prospal I know some of us r really gonna miss him.
by XxC17xX on Jul 12, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
forgot to mention
I forgot to mention I think its funny how we are all guessing and if your in there locker room I bet they already know who it is. I wonder if any of them are browsing there laptops in bed and just come across this site and ever read what is written in these comments
by XxC17xX on Jul 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sather blocks all the ranger blogs…once they start training camp Sather takes everyone’s computers, phones, ipods, and whatnot and puts some blocks on the internet that blocks all the ranger blogs like ours
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In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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He also has NYPD monitor all of the player's IP addresses to see what sort of content they look at during the season... and this is just on the technology side of the lockdown. He also has the team stay at hotels that only lock from the outside (so no one can leave their room) and are located nowhere near downtowns (so Prust doesn't get his late night urges).
Man, I’m loving this sarcasm shit… Thank you!
r u serious? Because Biron and Stepan and McD. Tweet like every hour so I guess they have access to there phones because it says “twitter for Iphone”
yes, totally serious
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In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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When I dream of being in the Rangers locker room.
The first five dirty jocks to sniff on my list are as follows:
1) Henrik (the heartthrob)
2) Dubinsky (the stachiest)
3) Stepan (the youngest)
4) Avery (the dirtiest)
5) Prust (the muskiest)
Anyone else want to share?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When I dream of being in the Rangers locker room...
I usually don’t make it the whole way through the dream without ruining my sheets… especially when Henrik “The Heartthrob” is in it lol… no homo.
My image of Ryan Callahan every day in the locker room

"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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Now I’m thinking dirty thoughts about Ryan Callahan and Chris Evans..would love to be the meat between those two fine piece of white bread. Make us a sandwich.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 12, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
leave it too GTGS
to make things very uncomfortable
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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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I got this feeling I’ve reached a very bad place on the interwebz . . .
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Jul 12, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not this year for Richards. Cally, Dubi and Staal.
by Robert Essigman on Jul 12, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
I remember people calling Crosby and Ovechkin locks for All-Star captaincy. Thank goodness the players get to pick all-star C’s. Most teams pick the best marketing choice, makes me sick.
The players should pick the guy to lead them on the ice. My 2 cents.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
it depends on the team
some teams the players vote for their captains, some the coach picks
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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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Capitals captaincy timeline:
05-06: Jeff Halpern; traded
2006: Ovechkin declines captaincy
2006-2007: Chris Clark named captain
2009-2010: Clark traded; Ovechkin approached about captaincy; asks coaches to ask teammates; teammates vote unanimously for Ovechkin
So obviously his teammates thought he was alright. I think just looking at how many stars and 1st round picks are captains misses that many of those players are known for competing hard, doing whatever it takes to win, being a leader on the ice, taking heat and interacting with the media, etc. They’re pretty much trained to be captains.
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by red army line on Jul 12, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t know that. Wow.
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Does anyone know if Cally actively wants to wear the “C”? I mean, it’s an honor and I think he would do a great job at it, has done a great job already at providing team leadership, but is this something he really covets for this season?
Regardless, if he doesn’t get the “C,” how does that impact him?
Here are my thoughts
Captain- Ryan Callahan. Look, it just wouldn’t feel right if it was anyone else. Every night when the Rangers go out to battle, there is one man that you know, no matter what, even if he’s hurt or beat up, will give you 110%. That man is Ryan Callahan. He represents the never say die attitude of the New York Rangers (at least the 2010 team) and has the support of his teammates, and the fans. I have never seen Ryan Callahan skate slowly towards a puck, or shy away from a player to save himself, or avoid a speeding bullet to save an amazing Rangers comeback (hello, Boston Bruins game) Callahan defines the word captain.
Alternate 1: Marc Staal. I don’t know if he’s the best candidate, but you can’t take away an alternate for no reason in my opinion. I just don’t support that. Sends the wrong message.
Alternate 2: Mike Del Zotto. Sorry, I love MDZ. I’ll change this.
Alternate 2: Brandon Dubinsky/Brandon Prust. No, I’m not just saying this because my name is Brandon. The Rangers can use a guy that’s fiery and willing to fight for his teammates. I feel like it’s a tie between the two, and I’ll defer this choice to the masses. Either way, with the few negatives in their respective personalities, the two have earned their way into leadership roles, and have my full support.
Left Out: Brad Richards. Listen, I know he is a fantastic leader, and he is my first choice to take over in case of injury or failure to live up to expectations of the letter, but he has not played New York Rangers hockey yet. He has not spent a year with this team, he has not gone to battle with this team. He may be a terrific leader, but he can lead without the letter. I like the idea that you have to earn your way to a letter with the Rangers. Just my opinion.
Thoughts?
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