New York Rangers Analysis: Brandon Dubinsky's Arbitration Date Looms
by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
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There were five restricted free agents the New York Rangers had to get back under contract when the season ended. Thus far, Glen Sather has taken care of three of them, getting Artem Anisimov, Brian Boyle and Mike Sauer to put their name on new pacts.
But, in the end, it was Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky that we were all worried about. And currently neither have contracts. That does not mean there's any reason to panic. I repeat: That does not mean there's any reason to panic.
We speculated earlier in the off season that it was unfortunate Dubinsky's arbitration hearing was the earliest of the bunch. Now you know why.
Obviously the Rangers don't want to have to go to arbitration with Dubinsky. The hearing wouldn't exactly do much to mend the incident two years ago, despite the fact that both sides have agreed that there are no lingering feelings from the holdout. An arbitration hearing, however, isn't desirable.
Join me after the jump to find out why.
For those of you who don't know what an arbitration hearing is, allow me to explain.
A judge will listen to both parties give their reasons for what they think the salary should be. Dubinsky's camp will give his side of the story and the Rangers' camp will give theirs. While Dubinsky will talk about all of the good things he brings to the table, the Rangers will talk about all the bad things he brings to the table. The catch? This is all done in front of Dubinsky. So he will hear every single flaw the Rangers seem to think he has.
See how things could get messy?
Now, for full disclosure, Sather is very seasoned with arbitrations. He got through one with Henrik Lundqvist a few years ago, and there was no linger bad blood after that ruling. The Rangers agreed to the contract brought down by the arbitration judge, and ended up signing Lundqvist to a long-term extension that January.
As of this point, however, we don't even know if the negotiations are going to need to get settled by a third party. The Rangers and Dubinsky's agent have been talking, and both sides would love to come to an agreement before July 21st. Since the Rangers brass generally plays situations like this close to the vest, there is very little information on how negotiations are going, or what's holding them up.
If, in fact, RFA Brandon Dubinsky's arbitration hearing takes place Thursday---I'm thinking there will be a longer-term deal done to avoid that---we'll know the dollars and term (one or two years) a few days later.
Sather does need to stick to his guns here, though. A $4.5 million cap hit is a little too rich for Dubinsky's services, despite everything he does for the Rangers. Don't forget, him and Callahan are looking for similar contracts, and if Glen overpays for Dubinsky then you better believe he is going to have to overpay for Callahan too.
Factor in Tim Erixon's $1.75 million cap hit if he makes the team (which seems like a very real possibility as of right now) and every penny counts.
By the same token, there's no need to severely lowball a veteran member of this team. Especially since him and Callahan are such important parts of the future.
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Wait and see approach.
$4.5 might be a tad steep, but what are your alternatives? After years of massively over-paying aging stars in the twilight of their careers, Sather is finding out that developing your home grown talent (versus trading them) comes at a cost. If that incremental cost is buying out EC or sending MZA to live in the Econo Lodge on I95 outside Hartford for a few months, so be it. Its nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.
There is no upside to a scorched earth policy like he did with Avery or Milbury with Salo. Sather will use prudent aggression if it goes to arbitration.
Bottom line, Dubi will be in Ranger sweater opening night, question is will he be playing under a one year deal or a nice 4 year 17MM. The rest is mental masturbation, and I personally have enough problems working in the real thing to spend too much time on this topic.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 6:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
we need to get dubi signed, but
We don’t want to overpay him, even if he is a homegrown player. It’s great that lord sather isn’t overpaying for aging talent, but we don’t want to make mistakes on the other side of the spectrum. There is a fallacy (i forget what its called) when you overvalue something becuase it it belongs to you.
Just because you develop a decent player, doesn’t mean you have to overpay to keep him. Sometimes you just have to let go. Do we need dubi? yes. Do i want him signed? yes. Should we overpay for him? No; why should we pay more than he’s worth? it’s not fair.
Look. Now that we’ve gotten away from giving blank checks to veterans, lets not start giving them to our young players who have yet to reach 60 points. Sometimes its better to think with your head than your heart during the negotiations. That being said, lets get dubi signed to a good deal!
i like the statement about “aging talent”, as if some people in the league don’t age, or even better age backwards.
despite that….i totally agree with you on this….dont want to see him walk….would love to see him and Cally and a bunch of the guys be career Rangers….but in the end, we’d get over it if he’s gonna hold out for more money than he’s worth.
That being said…i don think he will do that….or I’m sure hoping so and we work it out with these last two guys for economical deals like with the other 3 RFAs.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
As a resident of CT
I-95 doesn’t run past Hartford. It’s I-91 or I-84.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have known that, lived in Boston for 8 years.
Sorry to hear you live in Hartford. I’m sure things will turn around. I remember seeing Hartford in the distance driving to/from NY via 91 and thinking..who built this city in the middle of nowhere and it suddenly made sense that the former pro hockey hockey team played its games inside a mall.
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by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say I live in Hartford
Coincidentally, I live in one of the towns off of I-95.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
A $4.5 million cap hit is a little too rich for Dubinsky’s services, despite everything he does for the Rangers.
After all of the discussion on this topic – I’m really surprised you would write this.
If you can lock up Dubinsky for 4 years (buying 2 UFA seasons) at an AAV of 4.5mm, you do it in a heartbeat. Same goes for Callahan. While you don’t have a ton of cap flexibility left if you spend 9mm on them (about 2mm left), it’s well worth it having those guys in the fold for 4 years. Absolute no-brainer.
I think Joe has the right idea on the cap hit, and I think the same goes for Cally too
As I said in a previous post, I think we can get their hit real close to 4, or below, by giving them front loaded 3 year deals. It puts us into the new CBA, so we’re not worrying about not being able to negotiate with them during any sort of labor stoppage (which would be the case for Dubi with a 2 year Arbitration agreement) but doesn’t have us locked into them FOREVER, if they don’t keep progressing. $4.5 sounds like a great deal now, but if their are changes in the new CBA, and the salary rollback and cap rollback don’t match, it could be a real headache for us. Something similar to Rosival – at 2 mil per Rosi probably would still be in the equation, a $5 mil per Rosi never had a chance.
Frontloaded 3 year deals are perfect fit for where we are right now too. In 3 years, both Hank and Gabby are up for new deals and both are 33 years old. Wade Redden is also totally off the books so we get our breathing room back for the summer.The team Torts said he needs to win a cup is here, and he’ll have had 3 cracks at getting us there. Cally and Dubi will have had PLENTY of time to show us what type of NHL player they’ll be, and if one or both have turned into elite NHL talent, we’ve got the money to sign them to big deals. If they level out as 20 goal guys, and our cup run doesn’t go as smoothly as possibly, the cheap 3rd year makes them attractive to deal as part of a rebuild, or to free up space for a different piece to get us over the hump.
The key with the deals to these guys is maintaining flexibility. They aren’t “can’t miss”, but we are committed to them, so if we have to overpay a little in the next 2 years, and can do it without crippling our cap, then I’m all for it.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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I probably should have specified
I want to see a $4.2 ish, deal for both. I think if we can get as close to $8 million for both (instead of $9 million, a $4.5 average) it would greatly benefit the team.
Because that $2 million in space turns to $250,000 once Erixon makes the team. Now, if both get $4.5 deals (which I wouldn’t be irate over) then you can pretty much guarantee a Wolski buy out to save some room.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
you can pretty much guarantee a Wolski buy out to save some room
That depends how much room they want.
They have $416k in your scenario. They can demote EC’s 900k and sign a vet defenseman for the same amount. They can start MZA in CTW and have $2m for a vet D and prob $1m in space left over. The latter is a bit better because it will allow them to accrue the extra deadline cap space a bit quicker.
If they have a bigger plan in place, then you may see Wolski bought out.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't they wait?
To sign the 7th D after camp starts. I’m sure there will be plenty of vets without jobs in September. That will allow them to make any sort of moves to free up space. Invite a couple of guys to camp and see how they play. They did that with Semenov for 2 years and Fedotenko last year.
Also, they can wait to add Erixon to the roster as well.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 19, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
They can, and probably will, but you still have to account for them.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree on the buyout – George outlined some of the reasons. Another way, if Wolski doesn’t work out, is to waive him to the WhalePack – which saves the entire (pro-rated if after the season begins) amount of his cap hit.
If you’re going to buy out more than one year of Dubi’s (and 2 of Cally’s) UFA time, you’re going to get closer to that magic 4.5 number.
Those of us who follow the numbers would certainly love to get closer to – or even below – the 4mm mark. Reality probably dictates that being an unlikely and remote scenario.
$4M is where he should be, but I think there’s a $500k bonus for the “my feet are on fire” face he makes when he scores as seen in the picture above. So $4.5M is probably where its going to be. Anything less and Sather did a good job.
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It's all good.
As has been discussed earlier, either way the decision goes, Dubi Dubi Du is a NEW YORK RANGER. Tried and True Blue. That’s what matters. And personally, I think he’s mature enough to handle any criticisms that Slats might throw his way. Plus, it’s not like he hasn’t heard them drilled into his head by Torts and many fans: Needless penalties, great 1st halfs, sporadic 2nd halfs, etc. But, I do think that last season, of all his seasons with maybe the exception of his great rookie yr playing with JJ, Dubi’s +’s far outweigh his -’s! :)
BTW, does Torts get to sit in on the festivities or is it just GS, Dubi and his agent and perhaps a lawyer or three? Never thought about that before, but curious to know.
I still say that Dubi will sign either today or tomorrow to avoid arbitration. but if he does go to the hearing I feel that the arbiter will rule in the rangers favor and Dubi will be awarded around 3.9-4.2 mil and then in january the two will sign an extension
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Dubi can get 2 years through arb, Cally only one. Dubi is team leading scorer (empty nets and all), plays in all situations, and is an acknowledged leader of the team. He will be awarded over $4M easily, if not closer to $4.5M, IMO. It is in the Rangers interest to “settle” for a 4 year deal just over $4M per that is frontloaded to give Dubi more money in the first 12 months.
by Richter1994 on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Question on WW buyout?
When is the latest date it can happen? The only way he goes away in my book is via trade package with MDZ and a pick for a more stable/dependable scorer. But that’s not likely. However, it will be intriguing if Torts likes Boyle or Step on the wing and Thomas and/or Hagelin impress. Could make Wolski expendable. But back to my original question, they won’t know about Hagelin and Thomas until well thru camp and I don’t think you can do a buyout at that point. In which case I just wasted three minutes on the crapper typing a needless post when I could have been smelling my fingernails to see if the cheap one ply toilet paper my employers gives us was compromised during my aggressive wiping.
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by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
a ww/mdz package is a big risk and probably won't yeild much on the market
btw you are responsible for multiple instances where I have had to stifle laughter during meetings when I’m trying to hide the fact that I’m on BSB rather than the files issued before the meeting.
lmao
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If Thomas is impressive...
And makes the Team, we could easily get rid of Wolski for a 7th D or a second rounder, NO?
No
because Thomas will only be here for 9 games and then sent back to the OHL
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by Kevin Power on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t be a negative Nelly. Skinner is proof that it can happen. I hate the rule that requires him to go back and not to AHL. He’s going to dominate again at OHL level, only intriguing aspect might be if he makes Canada’s Junior team (I think he’d be eligible).
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate the rule to
but after seeing what happened with keep Del Zotto around for a full NHL year instead of sending him back, I’d rather be more patient with Thomas
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by Kevin Power on Jul 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DelZotto had a great year though. It’s not liek they made the wrong choice keeping him up for the year… he played well for the remainder of the season. Yea, he had a huge drop-off his next year, but I don’t think there’s any way to be sure that keeping him on the roster was the reason for it.
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Jul 19, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Torts made MDZ cry on the bench in Atlanta.
Third place in my book for best video of the year.
- was Anisimov taking gatorade in the face.
Not that you would need to ask, but 1A and 1B were the left and right breasts respectively of Momma Stepan.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol...no offense...
but where the hell were you opening night last season (assuming you’re talking about Mrs. Stepan), and well that still goes for the other incidents as well.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i do believe that gatorade incident was Dale Weise actually…unless it also happened to Arty as well.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 19, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's B.S.
If a figure skater can do it, a talented young kid with NHL bloodlines can too.
Jeff Skinner and Christian Thomas are two different players, you can’t compare them. You don’t want to rush Thomas’ development, if he does make the team he should get his 9 game taste and then go back to the OHL to work on his strength and develop his leg strength so he doesn’t get knocked off the puck as much
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by Kevin Power on Jul 19, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you're right.
I do. I just want an exciting young player in the line-up so bad. Every year at the draft I wait for it. Nothing. 2-3 years is boring. I think since the Cherapanov incident, i have a fever, that can only be cured by more cowbell.
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I see what you're saying...
And you may have been scared by the Del Zotto debacle, but defenseman take more time to develop and all indications are that Thomas has bonafide NHL skillz.
If he can put up 20 goals for us as a rookie, I don’t see the problem with keeping him. What’s the difference between him and Stepan? A lot of people think the OHL is a more competitive league than NCAA.
I’m not saying he’s ready or he’s not ready, but I wouldn’t just write him off so soon.
can someone explain to me why Tim Erixon’s cap hit is so high? I mean he hasnt even played in an NHL game yet and he basically has the same cap hit as anisimov. I just don’t understand how that whole process works and why a rookie has such a high cap hit.
Like most ELCs, he has performance bonuses built into the contract. His base salary is $900k, the bonuses are $850k. Chances are, given the number, they’re all performance A bonuses, which are things like X number of games played, goals, points, etc…with a value of $212,500 for each earned.
In normal years, they wouldn’t matter as much because bonus money can be rolled over, but that’s not applicable this year because of a provision in the extension of the CBA to cover this season.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he eats lightning and craps thunder. When he sings his voice is like a combination of Fergie and Jesus.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's from Philadelphia?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s an Italian Stallion of US/Swedish ancestry.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eek:
@capgeek CapGeek
Correction to #NHL #NYRangers overage: $527,000 per @NYP_Brooksie.
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damnnnnnnnnnn, how? i thought they had a bit of breathing room last year, and that was with counting the bonuses against the cap already (such as prospal counting as a 2.1m cap hit even though his base was only 1m, and zuccs counting as 1.75)
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jul 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, surprised me also. I didn’t think we were ever near the limit.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
To try to answer how myself…we had $1,086,658 room at the end of the year, so we apparently spent $1.614 in bonuses (I’m sure the $527k is rounded)
Without knowing who had what, I’d guess Stepan, McDonagh, and Zuke are the main culprits. Prospal may have hit one or two also.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
but i thought we had already accounted for their bonuses. from what i could tell last year based on capgeek we had already accounted for a 1.75m cap hit from Zuke, 1.3 from Mcdonagh, and 2.1 from prospal, despite the fact that im pretty sure the three of them all had base salaries of 1m or less
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going by what capgeek has for us:
Yes, their full hits are counted, but if you look at the total spending, it comes to $61m+, when the cap was only $59.4. Unearned bonuses would come off, but apparently not enough to avoid an overage.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
huh, interesting. So my guess is that what ended up causing it was drury going on LTIR along with frolov and some of that money being replaced by Mccabe. Make any sense?
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jul 19, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
To my knowledge, Drury never went on LTIR, so that’s not it.
It’s this:
When the bonus cushion is in affect, teams can exceed the salary cap in performance bonuses by up to 7.5 percent of the salary cap’s upper limit.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
From Brooksie
NYP_Brooksie Larry Brooks
Unless theres dramatic shift, Dubinsky headed to arb on Thur, sides not close enough yet on longterm. Talks continue with Callahan, arb 7/28
In other words, Dubinsky will be signed today, and Larry will write an article tomorrow about how lousy a deal it is, then write an article Thursday about what a great deal it is.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
HA
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Jul 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Remind me again..
Who determines contract length in arbitration? I know most are 1 year deals, but under what conditions could it be 2 years (team and agent both request, what if only one side asks for it). Under the 27/7 rule to become UFA, Dubi has two more season before he gets UFA status.
Could Sather be unwilling to take bets on Cally and Dubi long term? Gives Cally the 12:15:13 PM deal and makes Dubi play thru the last two years on deal(s) thru arbitration with potential upside of getting him on the cheap next year if he’s more 20/20ish?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently Long Term = 12:15:13PM, who knew?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's a good read on the whole process
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Do we read this as Sather wanting 3 or 4 year deal and Dubi wants 2 so he can test the market as UFA in 2013-2014?
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Other way around. Dubinsky wants the length.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I know its guaranteed money (double if its 4 years versus 2 example) but wouldn’t Dubi want a chance to test UFA and I’d think Slats wouldn’t want to tie him up for two at 4.5 and have to bid for him in ‘13-14? Can’t they just agree on 4 years for $17MM and shake on it.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’d think so, but that’s what was in the twitterverse, Dubinsky’s looking for a longer term deal than being offered.
If it’s really just years and not money that’s the sticking point right now, it should get done before the hearing Thursday. Alternatively, the Rangers might be willing to let it go to arbitration to get the length they want, and won’t even bother fighting over the money.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife has been praying to god for me to get the length she wants.. damn irish genes.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 19, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it goes without saying dubi loves playing in new York so I guess the question is does rather not have the confidence that I have in Dubinsky to be a life long Ranger… or is the payments throughout the years like he possibly wants more on the back end which if he continues to keep stepping up higher and higher is understandable…
by Ranger McJersey on Jul 19, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point, there isn’t a lifelong anything… You can sign a lifelong deal like Richards and Carter and still get traded. WHich sucks for guys like that who really want to stay with the club.
I think with players like Dubinsky, it’s about getting the guaranteed extra year or two on the contract. Which makes sense. Who knows how this next CBA will work out.
Stamkos 5 year deal huh...well there goes the wanting him on this team
by XxC17xX on Jul 19, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good
Not that I wouldn’t have loved him in a Rangers uniform but he would have cost them too much.
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They could have fit that deal
Buy out Wolski and unfortunately trade the rights to Dubi or Cally.
But Tampa would have matched an offer sheet for that type of money.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jul 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He got through one with Henrik Lundqvist a few years ago, and there was no linger bad blood after that ruling
Correction, Henrik never got to Arbitration. The team took him to team elected arbitration to avoid him getting an offer sheet. Then they worked out a 1 year deal because of the salary cap issues that year with the unspoken agreement that he’d get a long term deal once January hit and it wouldn’t affect the current season’s cap hit. That’s exactly what happened, once the new year rolled around he was extended to his current 6 year deal.
by Claudia Matty Pepin on Jul 19, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
all this talk about the dubi/cally deals lets you know it's summer
nothing but a whole lotta this
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I know for a fact the two sides like each other, I mean if you go on their website it looks as if Dubinsky lives at the garden. I think the main issue might be that he is looking for a 6 year deal at 4.5 per in which case I would say probably not. But if he wants 6 years give it to him at 4 or 4.15, I mean that is quite reasonable. I really hope this thing doesn’t get ugly.
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