New York Rangers Analysis: Would Callahan Lose The "C" If He Goes To Arbitration?
By now you have probably seen the Larry Brooks article that talks about the possibility that Ryan Callahan would lose his "unofficial-official" captaincy status if the two sides go to arbitration. Callahan, who is slated to have his arbitration hearing July 28th, and the New York Rangers have yet to agree to a deal.
Callahan, who recorded 48 points (23-25) in 60 games while establishing career highs in goals, assists and points, will likely come in somewhere between $4.5M and $4.75M on a multi-year deal, though he all but certainly would command more on the open market next July.
If the parties cannot agree on a long-term deal and Callahan goes through with the hearing for what would automatically be a one-year contract given his status as an impending free agent, he would likely get somewhere around $4.2 million.
Moreover, a one-year contract would likely eliminate Callahan from consideration to succeed Chris Drury as captain. If Callahan's Broadway future is uncertain, Brad Richards would almost certainly get the "C."
That's a lot of information to take in. It's especially unsettling when you realize the undertones of the article speaks to the fact that the Rangers and Callahan are still not close on a deal.
Join me after the jump for more.
If the report by Brooks is true, then the sides are in the same position they were in when Brandon Dubinsky was on the block. Let me remind you all that the Dubinsky negotiation seemed assured to reach arbitration, but the two sides made an 11th-hour deal to avoid the hearing. There's no reason to assume the same won't happen with Callahan.
I think everyone believed that the Callahan negotiations would be smoother, but obviously that hasn't been the case. And, in the end, George brought up a good point in one of yesterday's threads: You can make as good of an argument that Callahan deserves more money than Dubinsky as you can that he deserves less.
The idea that he might lose his captaincy, however, is scary. If the Rangers do end up going to arbitration with Callahan it honestly wouldn't make any sense to give him the role of captain. No coach wants to have a captain serve only a one-year term, with the potential to lose him to restricted free agency the next season.
But, you don't want to just give the captaincy to Brad Richards despite the fact that he has the leadership qualities necessary. Callahan is home-grown, does everything you can expect from a captain and already knows this team inside and out. It would not be good to see Callahan not wearing the "C" next season, and it might cause even more bad blood between the two sides (not even including the emotions arbitration would bring around).
Glen Sather still needs to get a deal that works for the Rangers though, which only makes the process even harder. Thoughts on all this guys?
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He’s talking about a one-year deal if it heads to arbitration. They’ll be electing for a one-year deal. Can’t sign him to muli-year deals from arbitration.
by Bryan Winters on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Dubinsky was only allowed to get a two-year arbitration
because he wasn’t slated to be a UFA for two years. Callahan is going to be a free agent next season so he can only get a year through arbitration.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Understood, but I mean I don’t see him going to arbitration. I just think its more “what if” filler from brooks. I don’t think this column is relevant unless it looks like arbitration is imminent for Cally. I don’t think there is any reason to think we won’t sign him before it gets to that point as we did with Dubi
Cally’s looking for $4.5-$4.75, yet somehow an arbitrators going to give him $4.2m? Yeah, I don’t see the logical progression there. If it goes to arbitration, you can be pretty sure that $2.8m number they used for Dubi is going to get turned around to Callahan too.
I also don’t know what world Callahan gets $4.75m+ on the open market, but ok then.
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Brooksie is part of the old guard that has little to no knowledge of the nuances of salary cap era finances. Unfortunately, he is also a know it all.
Well, I’m certain this comes from the “Callahan must make more than Dubinsky” mindset. I’m curious how much of that is based in reality and how much based in Brooks’ opinion.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you misspelled delusion
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I think Brooksie
is just on an old man rant, he’s pissed at these young whipper snappers making so much more money than he is
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by startsnstopsny on Jul 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Callihan would trade the "C" for more "$"
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by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
If we lose Callahan after next season
I will actually kill myself.
Even as a life-long Rangers fan
I’d be SHOCKED if Cally doesn’t get signed to a multi-year deal before the hearing. Sather is batting a 1000 this off-season and I don’t think he’ll blow this last all-important piece of the puzzle. But I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he were not scrambling right now to swing some deal involving one or more of the following players to free up cap space for Cally: Christensen, MZA, Wolski, or Avery.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
If callihan is truly asking 4.75 on a longer-term deal, then we very well may lose him to free agency next year. Love his play, but you can’t handout that type of cash to hustle players who score 55-60 points. His value is closer to 4 or 4.25 although the price to keep him will get driven up by scarcity of talent in the fa pool, which we will not buy into and he will walk. Need to get the deal done now closer to 4.
by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
what he asks for at arbitration
is higher than what he is looking for.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 26, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Long-Term Not Arb.
Arb is 1 year, right?
by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 26, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In Callahan's case it's a one-year arbitration
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re willing to lose Callahan, the life of our team some nights, over a quarter to half million a year, then I don’t know what to tell you. This is a guy who should be a lifelong Ranger.
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 26, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it bad we just spent money to get E. back. should we of waited until we got Calli first or did that not really matter?
I wondered if Sather purposefully signed Eminger before Cally to subtly pressure Cally to take a little less money (i.e., Cally would know the team only has x amount of money left, so he can take it or leave it). Sather knows (I believe) that Cally loves NYR and wants to play in NY for life (like Dubinsky). Sather’s going to take advantage of that and “force” Cally to make a decision (i.e, take a little less money) “for the team.”
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranger for Life?
If Cally wants to lead this team, he needs to step up and sign a long-term deal that does not hamstring his team’s efforts. If 4.25 is not enough over 3-4 years, then he is not leading this team anywhere. A 3-4 year deal will give him one more big chance at pay dirt if he continues to perform and stays healthy. The extra 500k will be useful in a few years, no doubt.
by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not really fair to put it on Cally to “step up and sign” when we don’t really know what Slats is offering him. Brooks has no more info than you or I, and even so, it is a negotiating process. Maybe Slats is offering him 3 years at $3.75m. If so, I wouldn’t blame Cally for not signing that.
by BigB22 on Jul 26, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. If we overpay Callahan a bit, I won’t be too upset. Sather has aced all the other deals this off season and has been doing a great job with building a cup contending team with flexible cap space.
I don’t think anyone is really going to be complaining about Callahan being overpayed by a few hundred Gs or about an albatross contract that he isn’t earning. “overpaying” a guy who is going to lead our our team on and off the ice while laying it on the line each and every night and putting up possibly 60 points a season isn’t the worst thing that can happen to our beloved franchise.
Have some FAITH
Remember Dubi & The Rangers were reported to be “far apart” before they ultimately got the deal done.
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by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 26, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So what...
Brooksie also said that Dubi was looking for 5mil+ per year about a week before the contract was signed for much less. If this talk on Calli is even true, it is just that…talk. Brooksie’s articles are starting to have as much relevance as the insightful predictions of incarcerated bob or whatever his name is.
Brad Richards?
The guy hasn’t stepped on the ice yet and he’s gonna be the captain? If not Cally make it Staal or Girardi or Dubinsky or maybe even Hank. I would put all of them over Richards..
I just looked into it, apparently it’s against the rules to have a goalie be captain. The only reason I thought of it was because I could’ve swore Luongo was captain of the Canucks.
he was
but he couldn’t wear the C and they had one of their defenseman acting in the office of captain, talking to the refs
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Not a fan of the idea of giving a guy the C who has never been in the locker room before and barely knows the team. Callahan has been here and everyone on the team knows how hard he plays and you can hear how important he is to them in interviews. It sounded like a eulogy after he broke his leg in April.
Richards hasnt been THE Captain before so I dont think he’s a lock for the C. I see it as Callahan and only Callahan for captain with Staal and Richards as the A’s. Cally wont be leaving here after next year, they’ll get a deal done, and if an arbitration hearing is held against him in becoming captain then I’ll just assume Torts & Sather are ridiculously arrogant and kinda high school girl-ish.
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Not a fan of the idea of giving a guy the C who has never been in the locker room before and barely knows the team.
worked for a guy named messier twenty years ago
not advocating it, and richards is obviously not the same type of player or leader….just saying it’s happened before, with pretty decent results
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Messier had been a captain already and very successful. And played with a good amount of players on the roster before coming here when they were back in Edmonton. They had a familiarity with each other. Not a similar situation in my eyes
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the only guy on the roster he knew from edmonton was adam graves
and like i said, i don’t advocate it either
just pointing out it’s happened before
hell, wayne gretzky became captain as soon as he arrived in los angeles and led a thirty+ point turnaround for the kings
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Messier, Gretzky...Richards???
Are we really mentioning Brad Richards in the same breath as two of sports most iconic figures?
And Beukeboom
I believe that Messier had also played with Gartner with the Cincinnati Stingers early in his career, although obviously not with Edmonton (and I seem to recall that they didn’t like each other much).
yes
but beuke came to the rangers a month & change after messier did (sending david shaw the other way), he wasn’t here at the start of the season
messier walked into the room knowing graves as a previous teammate in edmonton and gartner from the wha….and the rest as opposing players
my only point here is that it’s not out of the realm of possibility for richards to get the C….but again i don’t think agree with the idea at all
it’s also silly to me to think cally won’t get the C if he goes to arbitration, because going back to the messier example, he almost missed the cup raising ceremony in a holdout for more money, and nobody thought it would impact his voice in the locker room
cally is the best choice for the C regardless of what happens; if it’s arbitration and a one year deal i have to think something long term will be worked out during the year (a la lundqvist), he’s not going anywhere
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Poti
I just threw up thinking about him….
Brooks lives in his own little universe…..
When is the last time Brooks broke a major story about the Rangers? I can not remember a story either….
In my opinion, Callahan is the ONLY choice for Captain of this team.
He's Option #1
Not Poti, but Cally.
But if Cally refuses a reasonable long-term deal and want’s to test the UFA market next year (certainly his prerogative), how can he possibly be our long-term leader. Keep the ‘A’ with him and Staal and give Dubi the ‘C.’ Watch his feet not his mouth.
by Blueshirts Rock on Jul 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously Callahan is going to sign before arbitration but still honestly believe Dubinsky deserves the C
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Why the rush to give Cally the "C"?
For whatever reason, this is a team that has had spells of uninspired play and showed inconsistency, and done little more then enjoy a cup of coffee in their two brief playoff appearances. While Cally is homegrown, and goes into the corner, he’s got a long career in front of him, and we still speak more about what he COULD do then what he has, or is, accomplishing.
Richards as captain seems like the perfect fit. He’s a guy who has done it all as an NHL player. He has a ring and a Conn Smythe trophy and has been able to produce night after night through his career. Unlike Torts, he’s actually won in the playoffs SINCE the Tampa Cup. I think he’s a guy that ALL our kids need to be around, and can learn from. Giving Richards the “C” isn’t keeping it from Cally, just gives Cally some time to focus on turning the “COULD” in his game into “HAS” and “CAN” while a guy who’s done it before shows them all the little things that make a champion.
Well stated
I’ve been reconsidering giving Cally the C and your above post may have pushed me over the edge. Listen, if Cally does receive the captaincy this year, it’s much harder to take it away from him after the fact. Granted, we all hope that if he gets it, it wouldn’t have to be taken away (i.e., he becomes a great captain for years to come as we all want/expect). But Buck’s points are good ones. He’s still quite young; hasn’t been through a lot of playoff. . .Stanley Cup experience, and therefore, what if he’s not quite ready? Taking the C away from him (to presumably give it to Richards in 1-2 years) would certainly be awkward (at best) or downright divisive (at worst). Why did the Rangers extend a big 9 year contract to Brad Richards? No doubt to spark their sputtering offense, but I also think to provide top-quality proven leadership, which, frankly, I don’t think has been present on the Rangers since Mess. Buck, I think you’ve made me a believer. . .
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 26, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, its a matter of reaction.
If Richards doesn’t get a letter, he isn’t going to be offended. He knows he can provide veteran leadership without it, also allowing the kids to step into leadership roles.
If Cally doesn’t get it, there might be some problems. With Drury out most of the year, Cally essentially served as the team Captain. If a guy who has never played a game in a Ranger sweater gets the nod over him, I can see him easily being offended.
Cally has a right to the captaincy, Richards does not (yet). They can both lead with it, but I think putting the “C” on Cally’s chest will make him that much better.
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Some really good points too! We’re back to the Proverbs 18:17 dilemma.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Jul 26, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cally doesn’t look up everytime he ties his skates, and realize the guy with a “C” on his shirt is also the ONLY guy with a Conn Smythe in the room, then he is the wrong choice for captain. I’m not a big “individual trophy” guy, but the Conn Smythe is the one individual trophy you can really brag about. While Cally stepped up as a leader, our team still had character problems last year. You give it to Richards, you still have the chance to pass it onto Cally if it doesn’t work. Give it to Cally too soon, and there is no going back.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 26, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair points.
I definitely see where you’re coming from, and Richards being the C wouldn’t be the worst thing by any means.
I just see Cally as the next C because he was essentially the captain all of last year and has been in line to be Drury’s successor for quite a while now.
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Cally is a born leader and everyone respects him. As the old cliché says, if you were in battle, you’d want him in your foxhole. Everyone respects Richards as well, but he seemed perfectly happy to wear the “A” in Tampa and Dallas, and I think will in New York as well.
If you substituted “Dubinsky” for “Callahan” in a lot of the comments today you’d have a duplicate of last weeks’ pseudo-drama, which was also stoked by a starved-for-a-story Larry Brooks.
Mark my words, this will get done before arbitration and Cally wears the “C” come autumn.
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Dubi Deal
Cally deserves a Dubi deal. No more no less. They are Mutt and Jeff. Both are equally good and contribute equally to the team’s success. Just do not consider them elite players.
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by chiggity on Jul 26, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cally will wear the C anyway. It’s the Rangers floating some rumors for “leverage” for Cally to sign. negotiating through the media has become all the rage.
or maybe brooks is blowing smoke out of his ass
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Who cares who wears the C?
I couldn’t give shit. and frankly, the C should be who the PLAYERS want or deem worthy, NOT who the fans WANT to see as captain.
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Arbitration Hearings...
… are not horrible “He’s terrible” vs. “I’m great” sessions. What they are is reasonable arguments performed by folks who only point out the facts to the Arbitrator.
The key thing to remember in arbitration, the two sides are not arguing about the player, they are arguing about the salary the player should be paid.
In a typical sports arbitration, each side presents the case for the salary figure they filed. Usually the player and team will select players of comprable abilities, skills stats, and talent levels that have salaries similar to what they are asking for. Each side will present the players they beleive are comprable. After that, each side will be allowed a chance to rebutt the facts brought in by the other side. A typical agent or team preparing for arbitration will have had someone in their organization doing research on who the other side my use as a comprable player, so there should be no surprises when it comes to the players being represented and the rebuttals.
Once all that is done, each side will make a closing argument, not about the player, but about the money. Then it’s up to the arbitrator to consider only the facts brought into the hearing and then he/she makes a decision about the salary figure.
There is usually very little animus in the session, as both sides are usually not disagreeing about the player’s talent level, they’re disagreeing about the compensation a player should get for having the skills/talent/desire he has.
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