New York Rangers News: Sather Supports Islanders New Arena
The New York Rangers and Glen Sather announced today that they are fully supporting the Islanders and their plan for a new arena. Sather states that it would be hard to see the Islanders leave and as a result, lose one of our biggest rivals.
I'm sure all of us can agree on this. While we all know the Islanders are our biggest rivals, it would be really hard to see them leave Long Island. Sather urges all Rangers, Islanders and hockey fans to vote yes in favor of the new Coliseum.
Along with Sather, Rangers owner James Dolan appeared in a TV commercial supporting the new arena as well.
I encourage all of my readers who live in Nassau County to get out and vote yes on the new Islanders arena on Monday.
The official New York Rangers press release is below:
Statement from Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather regarding Nassau County Referendum
"The rivalry that has existed between the Rangers and Islanders for almost 40 years is one of the best in hockey and in all of sports. The intense passion and emotion involved in these games is something we cherish and would like to see continue for generations to come. We urge Rangers fans, Islanders fans and all hockey fans in Nassau County to vote yes for the referendum on Monday, August 1". - Glen Sather
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I’m with them, I hate the Islanders and all, but this “rivalry” is awesome, and I don’t want it to go away.
Plus, I live on LI so I go to 2 Rangers at Islanders games every year.
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Why not, they’ll vote yes but they still bring in the fans
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As a hockey fan, I will vote yes because no man should have to lose their hockey team.
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by The Blue Seats on Jul 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
AGREED.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
This hasn’t been a rivalry in years. Rangers-Devils and Rangers-Flyers have become far better rivalries.
When I was growing up, in Bayonne, NJ, when there were no NJ Devils, I was surrounded by Islander fans, everyone was an Islander fan. Now they are dead last in attendance in the league.
Dead last. Behind a team that was moved, and two or three teams that may move. Even with an influx of probably 15,000 or so Ranger fans per year they still averaged over a thousand a night less than the Coyotes, the team the whole free world can’t wait to move to __________ (insert city without a hockey team here). Also, the Islanders had one more home game than the Coyotes, who I believe opened in Europe. Is this all to blame on a crappy arena?
I will readily admit to never ever being the smartest guy in the room, but I have asked numerous times for someone to explain to me why we’re so desperate to save the Islanders, and I never get a good answer. I would love to understand why the desperation to save that franchise.
I know there are some very loyal Islander fans out there, and some of them are good people as well. But the Thrashers had loyal fans who were good people too.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
I will readily admit to never ever being the smartest guy in the room, but I have asked numerous times for someone to explain to me why we’re so desperate to save the Islanders, and I never get a good answer. I would love to understand why the desperation to save that franchise.
Because………. We pity them?
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by The Blue Seats on Jul 28, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw pity. If heaven forbid the roles were reversed, and the Rangers needed a vote for a new arena, do you think for one minute the Islanders would support it?
I’m all out of pity for them. For 15 years I heard “1940” chants from those buffoons.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i really dont get your point
i doubt any fan in the world would vote against keeping their rival team around, nobody is that trivial, or at least i hope not. I would definitely vote for a new Rangers arena, ive never even seen a hockey game outside of the Coliseum and id vote for it, even if i never went to it.
And on behalf of all those nasty horrible islander fans who taunted their rivals like any other teams fans in history would, well………yeah i dont have an apology or anything i got nothin
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as a wee lad who was punished repeatedly for singing the mike bosy chant in my house
i have no sympathy for them
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If the Isles stay
The rivarly will be rekindled. The Rags and Isles are both young and starting to get good at the same time and a new stadium will force the Isles’ brass to bring in some big names and keep their present stars.
Fair weather as they may be, if the Isles get good and again and play in a new house, their fans will return and come out of the word work. I know quite a few Islander fan sleeper cells myself.
The isles should have played some decent hockey and then asked for a new arena instead of stinking it up since the lockout.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
the islanders have stars?
Flyers take it up the ass, doo dah, doo dah, Flyers take it up the ass, all lah doo lah day.
by FIRESATHER327 on Jul 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
go ahead jim
tell us how you really feel
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Because it is good for the overall health of the NHL
Jim
You grew up in Jersey and I grew up in Queens, to this day I still do not see the Devils as a real rival to the Rangers. But my blood boils when it is the Rangers vs the Islanders or Flyers.
Why? In my case there is real history involved where real live hate developed between the franchises.
Other than Avery/Marty has there ever been anything really to spark a war between the Rangers/Devils? Not for me but I remember Dan Cloutier wanting to fight the entire Islander bench.
I remember that horrible upset loss in the playoffs, I remember Potvin and so much more.
But to be fair and honest; the Rangers have more to lose than they acknowledge. The Islanders lose this vote and they relocate then MSG Networks loses another team.
The Rangers no longer have a bus ride road game which means longer travel for the franchise.
But to me more than anything is I see the project as a way to create jobs at a time when jobs are harder to find period. We are not talking fast food low pay but construction jobs which in turn will help create secondary jobs as well as help the County bring in tax revenue from use fees not hits property owners.
I compare the Islander situation to the Portland Winterhawks who play in a 50+ yr old arena that nobody likes and is a terrible place to watch a game. When they move next door to the Rose Quarter, it is a newer arena that has all the perks.
Build a winning team and give them a decent home and people will come. And unlike Phoenix, this new arena would be built where people could actually find it
by theprospectpark on Jul 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll bet the Winterhawks outdraw the Islanders.
Jess I get what your saying about the jobs, but I just do not see the point in building a new arena that will be half full.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all, a new stadium will not create a fanbase that doesn’t exist. Once you get past construction jobs, it won’t actually create more jobs unless more people come to the stadium than come now.
Second, I grew up in Nassau county and my parents still live there. Explain to me why they should pay 4% more in property taxes each year for the next thirty years to pay off a bond that Wang was willing to pay for only 2 years ago with his OWN money. [silence] Exactly.
Third, if Cablevision wants this so badly, THEY should put up the money for it. Why are regular people getting screwed out of an extra 4% in the middle of the worst economic times since the Depression? Because of the greed of crappy NHL owner like Wang? Gimme a break.
This whole thing is a farce – VOTE NO!
the job thing is a crock
ask the guys protesting outside the building of the barclays arena in downtown brooklyn how well the promise of construction jobs for locals goes from management types
the canadiens survived just fine after the nordiques left quebec, the death of that rivalry didn’t do much to hurt the franchise
the islanders were a novelty franchise that benefitted from great positional drafting by bill torrey and a run of luck against vastly inferior teams; that dynasty team never played a truly worthy opponent because there weren’t any in the league from 1980-83 (post montreal dynasty, pre oilers dynasty, post flyers bully days, post big bad bruins days)
goodbye and good riddance
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My goodness?!?!
Really, in 5 cup final years and 19 straight series wins zero quality opponents?
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Wow, you are really showing your ignorance of the islanders history with this post.
There is no way in hell you were alive during the isles dynasty for you to say this. Not a chance in hell.
look at that
i went fishing and caught me some big’uns!
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FYI
just ‘cause i know you guys are probably stewing in your juices muttering “that…..ASSHOLE, how DARE he defame the greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports that almost nobody outside of nassau county knows about!!!”, let me throw some facts your way, so you don’t stoop to the usual foolishness in your next responses
- yes, ozzy, i was alive during the dynasty days, and yes, ozzy, i remember it all too well growing up in brooklyn, so there’s a pretttttty good chance in hell there….if you like i’ll scan a copy of my driver’s license and let you figure out how old i was based on my dob (hint: i was not in pampers)
- yes, backstop, it was a crock, and an enjoyable one to type (the third paragraph, at least)
- in case you guys missed it, that was a thing called ; sorry, we don’t have hash tags for that on this board…
HOWEVER
there’s a grain of truth to that post, and you know it all too well; really, aside from the rangers, what serious level of competition did the islanders face in the playoffs? aside from the ‘83 oilers, who were expected to challenge and put up more of a fight, did anyone really think the friggin’ north stars or canucks had a chance?
yeah, i know the penguins almost knocked them off until randy carlyle forgot how to play a puck in the final minutes of regulation
yes, i know ken morrow is the luckiest motherfucker in history shooting blind from the blue line
yes, i know there were a handful of close calls….but really? the celtics won eight straight titles in the 60s and i couldn’t name one team they beat along the way without looking it up (and granted, i’m not a basketball fan, but i know the celtics & lakers & pistons had to keep knocking each other off in the 80s)
what great rival did the islanders have during the dynasty years that was a threat?
the ’81 leafs, who tore it up with 77 points? the nordiques?
maybe you can make a case for the ‘84 caps or ’83 bruins, and not to completely denigrate the islanders accomplishment (or do i? heh heh heh), but tell me they didn’t benefit from a 1-16 seeding system that matched them up against the dregs of the league; you can make that argument, but it’s silly
congrats on 19 straight playoff wins, great record…..enjoy the winter carnivals in quebec city
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Well its not just the crappy arena
Have you ever been to the Coliseum? no public transport there, in the middle of the shithole that is Hempstead, and its not even a major city (how many other NHL teams play in the suburbs? the Coyotes? thats all i can think of). And then theres the fact that the ticket prices were increased with the expectation of the team being better (theyre since been lowered, should improve attendance). Theres the lesser reasons for low attendance like the weather (Had quite a few snowstorms this winter during which there were a few games were NO ONE showed up). So yeah all that crap mixed together makes for some bad attendance.
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So, we’re going with the “it snowed” excuse? Did it not snow in the early 80’s? Is snow new?
Was there public transportation to the Coliseum in 1983?
Was Uniondale not “the suburbs” in the 80’s?
Ranger fans, Flyer fans, Bruins fans don’t seem to have any problems getting to the Coliseum to see their teams, nor do they have issues paying the ticket prices.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 29, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
at least one of the games i went to last year was during a decent snowstorm….so im in agreement….if you want to be at a game…you WILL be at a game.
i guess this was just a good EXCUSE for people to not go and not seem like a shitty “fan”
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 29, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i've said this before
but fuck the islanders
i will personally drive the moving truck that takes their dynasty relics to quebec city
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Any team that employs resident Neanderthal Trevor Gilles does not deserve a new arena
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trevor gilles
always hated him but when i met him he was actually a really nice guy. my friend and i were wearing our rangers jerseys and my friend was wearing his Gaborik jersey. He saw the Gabo and was like i respect that, at least its a good player and was surprisingly a class act. Its kinda similar to the way Sauer is. On the ice he looks scary and mean but is one of the kindest softest guys off the ice.
by Eric Bure on Jul 28, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Forget the hockey-fan angle.
As was briefly discussed at the very end of the Underground Radio Show last night – this is about money and politics.
Instead of giving a green light to the “Lighthouse Project”, the politicians decided that it wasn’t in the best interests of the community. A project that was to be fully funded by C. Wang, at no expense to taxpayers.
Now, he’s saying – fine – you want the team here? Build me a new arena. Since you wouldn’t let me build the “Project” at my expense, that would have been a profitable venture for both of us, you can bear the expense if you want to reap the benefits of the tax revenue from the games/merchandise.
So, because of just another bunch of idiot politicians, the taxpayers of Nassau county are being asked to pony up – at a time when economically it probably doesn’t make sense.
I have a feeling that if I lived there, I’d vote “HELL NO”.
The LightHouse project was to be fully funded by Charles Wang because the upside of the hotel and apartments would have made him millions more than he put into the coliseum. He wasn’t going to foot the bill for new infastructure that would have been required by this tremendous strain on the current utilities and that is what the town was fighting.
In this new Wang scam the islanders get $400M to spend any way they want on a deal that isn’t even finalized and if the Islanders continue to suck the people that foot the bill are the Nassau County Tax payers.
VOTE NO IF YOU DON"T WANT TO PAY FOR A CRAPPY ISLANDERS TEAM.
EFFFFFF THE islanders. Wang can’t move them anyway. NHL won’t let them.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sell the Coliseum to The Rangers if the Islanders leave and move the Whale to Long Island and give CT an NHL team in the next expansion. I would like to see some of the kids on a regular basis and if someone goes down it’s a 30min helicopter ride.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The Whale play in a better arena right now in comparison to the Mosoleum.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 28, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Junior pee-wee teams play in better arenas than the Mausoleum
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet that has no influence on the team, which has no influence on the attendance
Right?
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I’d be willing to bet that the ‘infrastructure’ costs would have been less than the current proposal on the table. And like many municipalities, they could have negotiated so that he foot the bill upfront for some of that infrastructure (e.g. a wastewater treatment plant that would be dedicated to the town and built to their specs).
Ultimately you’re agreeing with me that the current proposal gets dumped on the backs of the taxpayers. And we’d both vote no….
Or maybe expletive no, like Robin Williams:
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Probably. WHo knows? I just know that everything I read that wasn’t produced by a WANG lackey said that the cost would have raised taxes on Nassau County residents while lining Wang’s pockets with millions.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You are misinformed (As are most people)
The Nassau County Dems have run a brutal smear campaign against this project. I’m on your blog to present New Yorkers with the real facts: http://islanders.nhl.com/v2/ext/HUB%20REDEVELOPMENT%20PROJEC_001.pdf Take a minute and read them please because IF THISE VOTE FAILS, WE ARE GONE. If any of you are Nassau residents, please take a minute to read the REAL facts. All the best (1940!)
You are reading “facts” from the islanders. Just think about it for a second.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I work in the industry the only factual about this report is that it was paid for by Wang to promote his version of the numbers.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you say you worked!?
Camoin Associates was contracted by the county to conduct a rough economic and fiscal impact analysis of the project. Camoin specializes in economic development planning and evaluations between municipalities and the private sector. These figures are from that report. Here is the County’s facts sheet: http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/CountyExecutive/NewsRelease/2010/6-22-2011.htm
The Republicans were the ones blocking this in Hempstead for the last few years. Take your partisan opinions out of my hockey forum.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Backstop87 based on ‘IF THISE VOTE FAILS, “WE” ARE GONE.’ “WE” I’m assuming you work for the Islanders?
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know that any movement of a team must first be approved by the NHL.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bowel movements don’t require approval. But if there is a blockage it can be quite painful and delay deployment.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 28, 2011 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bowel movements...nice! I guess we've got some pretty awesome pieces of corn in our crap
You’re an Islander fan, and WE’RE misinformed?
LMAO!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentleman, i present to you, a sports fan.
Childish, petty, and just an overall idiot. We all act like it sometimes, but unfortunately some fans just feel destined to let this persona envelope their whole lives, not allowing themselves to remove “sports” from other topics. Thankfully, this is usually confined to fans of certain teams cought rangers cough. :P
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This from the fan of a team who’s whole purpose in life is to do the Chicken Dance and chant “Rangers suck” at the end.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The ignorance from you and joereiter here ceases to amaze me. Bring on your childish response, you've already showed how much of an ignorant fool you are on the topic.
by OzzyFan on Jul 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no no no
it’s joe reiter
first name, last name
and it’s not so much ignorance as a willful and enjoyable tweaking of the situation the islanders are in
if you or the other mongoloid escapee of your board have read anything else i’ve written on here (which you haven’t), you’d know that yes, i grew up in the shadow of the islanders dynasty, yes it scarred me for life, and yes i despise your franchise and will be celebrating at the palm with a bottle of their most expensive wine when it’s announced they’re moving
and ya know what? i have no sympathy at all, especially when i remember the viewing party your fellow mutants held in the parking lot on june 14th, 1994 to help celebrate “the new stanley cup champion vancouver canucks”
parlez vous francais?
vive le nordiques!!
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This is a fantastic comeback
really, if this wasn’t a pretty important topic to our tram and community, I wouldn’t bother trying to change minds, but the stance on this is kind of petty. I felt bad when Atlanta lost their tram and I feel for those in Phoenix that live through this specter daily.
The bottom line is that the facts that are being thrown about are not accurate. I can take losing my team if that is the will of the people. But if their will is clouded by the wrong information, that is a tragedy. The Isles were subject to the worst lease in hockey forever. They didn’t receive any of the funds from parking or concessions until this year. They do not receive tax amnesty like some of the other local sports teams do, and they did attempt to buy the land to develop an arena, but without infrastructure and additional development rights, it would not have been profitable.
I don’t know who to believe as far as the local jackass politicians and their stories, because their all a mess. But to be dismissive of a fanbase losing a team is just wrong. Flyer fans wouldn’t sink that low.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 29, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You do realize that part of the deal requires
Wang to pay back AT LEAST $420 million dollars right? so at the bare minimum the county gets back more money than it put in. I fail to see how thats a scam. think before you speak
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You fogot the interest on the loan. Nassau never gets that back.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It does if the new arena makes more than the 14 million a year
which it will considering in Wangs projections for how many events the new arena would hold (around 150 per year) were quite conservative and independent groups found that it could be as high as 220 per year, which would result in a lot more than 14 million per year
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Canada deserves another team.. give them the Islanders already and get over with it.
Hamilton or another team in Toronto, they deserve a team and will support a team. The Islanders are a 3rd rate NHL franchise (or 1st tier AHL, take your pick) and will never regain prominence in their current form. The league needs to capitalize on them having a young star* in Tavares and relocate the team north of the border. Having grown up in Long Island, I can say with confidence the loss of the Islanders would only bother a handful of people…and those people are of no consequence.
*Of course it would be an easier sell if he learned to play in the other 2/3rds of the rink and spent more time on his feet and less time crying about non calls.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 28, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s Owners like WANG that dump good money on Yashin and DP that killed the islanders and oh yeah Mike “I am as dumb as a box of Rocks” Milbury.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 28, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The organization has been in steady decline since the late 1980s (much like Long Island). Whoever is to blame is irrelevant, in my life time the Islanders will cease to exist. While I’m aware this will be painful to some, I see it as progress. Without a team to follow, the Islander faithful will turn their attention to their two other past times… Watching WWE and masturbation, sad thing is they often combine the two…sick bastards.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 28, 2011 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the vote fails, the Islanders can move, and they can build an amusement park after the Nassau Coliseum is bulldozed, or collapses, whichever happens first. Then the jobs will be created.
WangLand!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
Think of the rides:
The Wang-O-Whirl
The Wang Cups
The Wang Coaster
Wangs of the Caribbean
Bumper Wangs
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Grand opening would have music by Wang Chung and ribbon cutting by former Yankee Chien Min Wang. Maybe Isiah Thomas could stop by and show his Wang.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Something tells me you might be controlling the bulldozer Jim lol.
by louielounz1 on Jul 28, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wangs of the carribean
would be better renamed pirates of the coliseum, since it’d be slightly more appropriate
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This thread is way more intense than I expected
And I love it hahaha
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wow I gotta say I am very surprised at Jim and some of the others on here........
……….I hate the Islanders, but I LOVE to hate the Islanders. If you are a hockey fan in the metropolitan area the last thing you want to see is for a team to move because of lack of interest.
I don’t know how many of you on here are strictly hockey fans but I happen to be – basketball and football are full of thugs (I would never never NEVER support a league that allows Michael Vick back in. period. end of story) and baseball is well, baseball. I’ma casual fan and that’s really about it.
Taken from a hockey standpoint, we as fans of the NHL are constantly confronted with media lack of interest and fan lack of interest. Take WFAN: maybe 1% of their overall content has anything to do with hockey, and 75% of that 1% is about fighting and goonery.
We all have to put aside our hate of the Islanders and what we THINK their fans MIGHT do and band together on this one.
Jim, we as Ranger fans have been chanting POTVIN SUCKS since the 70’s as fervently as they chanted 1940. (Adam Graves yelling 1940 at the camera on June 14th, 1994 redeemed every last chant that ever polluted our ears so we’re even).
I for one want three successful teams in the area, with three healthy fanbases. Let Canada mine a team from some other strange southern outpost like Phoenix, where there were NEVER a ton of great fans.
As for the attendance issues and the shittiness of the team, you can say the Islanders have sucked since the lockout but (and I can’t believe I’m defending them this hard…it doesn’t feel right but here goes) that team gives a gutsy performance every time they play. It isn’t the players’ or fans’ faults that their team is barely above an AHL squad.
Look how many free agents turn them down. Christian Ehrhoff couldn’t have said ‘no’ fast enough. The culture has to change there and the first step is the new arena.
There are so many people in the Long Island / New York City area – even across the Sound in Connecticutt – there is bound to be enough of them to support the Islanders in a new building.
So anyway, I hate the Islanders but I love being able to hate them. I don’t want that to change, because I don’t want to hear it from my shit eating non hockey people about how hockey sucks nobody likes it look the Islanders had to move to Moose Jaw or East Buttfuck.
by KingHenrik30 on Jul 28, 2011 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
The only reason I’d even consider voting “yes” would be to keep the remaining Isles fan away from the garden. If all 1000 of them start buying tickets to Rangers games to fulfill their hockey needs, MSG will sell out too quickly or hike their prices.
Otherwise, ship the fishsticks to wherever the fuck will take them. As many others said, there’s a much more heated Philly-NY rivalry than with the Isles. My sentiment towards Isles games has always been a fervent “meh” and it seems that alot of people here feel the same.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 29, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not voting no because it’s the Islanders. I’m voting no because it is a shitty deal for Nassau County residents.
THEY DON"T HAVE A DEAL YET.
We are voting on the promise that Wang will do what he says not voting on a concrete plan. Do you go to the car dealer and buy the car before you’ve seen the contract or the price tag??? No. You wait until you have all the facts to make a decision. You don’t make a financial decision based on possible maybes.
by Leetch4prezofNYR on Jul 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
But when the deal is finalized it will still have to pass the legislature vote
there are a number of check and balances to protect the people
well...
I live ten minutes from the Coliseum, in nassau, town of hempstead. These two local governments are by far THE most corrupt, back-door dealing screw-the-residents governments in the US. We have been fleeced before, and we will be fleeced again, its just the way it is here. I, as a life-long Rangers fan who remembers a time before the Islanders existed, like having the NHL in my backyard. In the late 70’s-early 80’s, when both the Islanders and the Rangers had great teams, this area was booming with hockey year-round. The battles on the ice, the battles with friends and neighbors, it was an amazing time. And don’t let anyone fool you, the Islanders won 4 cups in a row because they were the best. If not for John Davidson in May of 1979, the Islanders probably would have won 5 in a row. It took an Edmonton team with young Gretzky, Messier and the like to dethrone them. I’m not an Islanders fan or supporter but to take away from that team back then is ill-informed.
We here in Nassau and the TofH are taxed at or among the top 3 highest taxed areas in the US. Asking us to pay another 57 dollars a year for a new arena and a baseball park (?) is not an easy sell. But as I see it, at least its not for yet another shopping mall.
I like the rivalry. The real problem with the Islanders is not the arena. Yes, the Coliseum is past its prime and has many issues. But if the team on the ice was better, the fans would come. It’s really that simple. Who would say “you know, I like the Islanders, their team is really good, but I don’t go to the games because the arena is old”? I just hope that the Islanders’ management/ownership understands that no matter how nice the packaging, if the product is crap, its still crap, and people do not like paying top dollar for crap.
I will be voting for the proposal, in spite of the local government’s corruption, because I realize the arena is pretty bad. I realize they should have more well-designed suites and stuff like that, to encourage local business investment, etc. But the Islanders need to do their part as well, and do everything possible to field a competitive team, that is the one tried and true way of attracting fans, generating revenue and tax, which helps everyone involved. And maybe in 30 years the residents won’t feel as fleeced as we do. Somehow though……
"From what I see there's still a little hope
that's if we don't hang from too much rope" -- big audio dynamite
by big audio on Jul 29, 2011 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The real crime here is how high property taxes are in Hempstead for such a shitty area. That makes the $57 a bit more of an insult IMO.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 29, 2011 4:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my cousin and my uncle both live in nassau
in rockville center and malverne, respectively
what i don’t get is how these nassau governments stay so corrupt; don’t you guys have elections? how is it they haven’t been voted out?
@joereiter
Blueshirt Banter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Because people like to bitch and moan when things like thsi come up
claiming that all the politicians are corrupt and trying to swindle them, but when it actually comes time to do something about it (election day) they could give a shit less because everyone heres too lazy to try and change anything. if you dont like politicians here and think theyre gonna screw you over (they have, they are, they will) then thats fine but dont take a stand against the arena bill, actually get informed about the candidates and go out and vote on election day when it will matter. In a nutshell, they havnt been voted out, because were fat stupid lazy spoiled middle class people, who really love to complain but not do anything about it
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
no wonder suffolk is better
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Blueshirt Banter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Correction
no wondersuffolkany place else is better
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
that was tongue in cheek
but hey, rockville center is great…..although i don’t know if paying 13K a year in property taxes to keep the town’s generator running in event of a blackout is worth it, but my aunt & uncle love it out there
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Blueshirt Banter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Great...
The isles move, and they’ll move the bruins into our division.
Rangers, Devils, Penguins, Flyers, Bruins.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
That’s a realllyyyy tough division then
by XxC17xX on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bring it on
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dude, seriously?
The most enjoyable part of every season is watching a Rangers/Islanders game with my good friend (i’ve forgiven him for being a fishsticks fan). Regardless of the score, people watch us watching hockey because they don’t understand the depth of that rivalry, and apparently a lot of Rangers fans don’t either.
The Isles are going to be good very soon, and the Rangers will have to battle them to stay atop the division. They’ve rebuilt a team from the bottom up (just like the Rangers are doing now with Step, McD, MDZ, et al) with Tavares (29,38,67), Moulson (31,22,53), and Grabner (34,18, 52) up front, they’ve now added Rolston to help the younger players grow. I’m excited to see where this rivalry is going to go, and I cannot fathom any true hockey fan, especially any true Rangers fan, giving that up.
As for the deal itself, I can’t see any reason not to like this deal for a Long Island resident. Yes, taxes are already high, making an extra $57 a tough sell. I can’t make this sell, so I’m going to let someone else do it for me. Yes, it’s an Islanders blog about the financial situation on Long Island. Deal with it. http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2011/07/growing-up-in-and-then-leaving-nassau-would-isles-move-be-final-straw-for-local-youths/
I don’t have the right to vote in Long Island, but I’m trying to convince everyone I know who does to vote YES on Monday.
I grew up on LI (Port Jeff Sta.) in the 70’ and 80’s, and at that time the Ranger / Isles rivalry was huge. We used to get “Lets go Rangers” chants going during lunch. Islander fans would try to do the same. One time before a big game, I got one going during a school assembly. There were a lot of Islander fans around. I guess the rivalry has died out, but I would not want to see the Isles move. Then again “Potvin Sucks” and “Beat your wife Potvin” would lose their meaning. Irony… moving down to Fla and having Potvin announce games here.
Having the Coliseum afforded us the ability to see that many more Ranger games per season. Hockey was a big part of my growing up, and the Ranger / Islander rivalry was a part of that, hate to see it go, but I really don’t have a dog in this fight.
Besides, I thought the Coliseum came down during the Metallica concert I saw there in 92 or 93? So many parts of the Coliseum were flying through the air, I though we were gonna die. Also, the Coliseum is where my eyes had their first heart attack, but I wouldn’t want to piss Greschner off by telling that story. Too many hockey stories to tell…… BTW forgive my post, Friday happy hour started early!!
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!

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