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New York Rangers Analysis: Why Wojtek Wolski Should Not Be Bought Out

NEW YORK  NY - JANUARY 13: Brandon Dubinsky #17 of the New York Rangers congratulates Wojtek Wolski #86 after Wolski scored the game winning goal against the Vancouver Canucks during the game at Madison Square Garden on January 13 2011 in New York City. The Rangers defeated the Canucks 1-0. (Photo by Andy Marlin/Getty Images)

Glen Sather made a major trade last season, sending defenseman Michal Rozsival to the Phoenix Coyotes for Wojtek Wolski

Wolski, a player who has seen three different teams the past three seasons, is a 25-year-old winger who has a wealth of offensive talent. The past two season's have been one's to forget for Wolski, but he's only two years removed from a monster 23-goal 42-assist season split between the Coyotes and the Colorado Avalanche

In 37 games for the Rangers last season Wolski only put up 6 goals and 13 assists for 19 points. He did have a goal and two assists in five playoff games however. Some games he was completely invisible, making mistakes and riding the pine. Other games he looked like the next big thing, playing effective on both ends of the ice, putting the puck into the back of the net and setting up his line mates with brilliantly executed pinpoint passes. 

Wolski is one of those players that makes you say: "Damn, if this kid can put everything together he could be an absolute monster." 

There's been a lot of speculation Glen Sather might opt to buyout Wolski, saving $3.3 million dollars on the cap for this upcoming season. I don't understand this logic. 

Join me after the jump for my reasons to keep Wolski on the team.

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Financially Wolski could be worth the $3.8 million cap hit he levies this season. If he comes anywhere near the 65-points he threw up a few years ago, the cap hit would be a steal. But even if Wolski doesn't hit those numbers, and puts in another disappointing 35-point season (his numbers last year) then it's just a failed experiment. 

Wolski only has one year left on his contract, so if he ends up not working out this year Sather can either try to move him in a trade or let him walk at the end of the year to free agency. Basically, by keeping Wolski, the Rangers are playing with house money. 

There would be no risk to keeping him on the squad, but there could be a massive return. Wolski, a player who likes scoring garbage goals and planting himself in front of the net, could benefit greatly by playing on a line with Marian Gaborik and Brad Richards

Gaborik, who never met a shot he didn't like, and Richards, who also loves to shoot the puck, are both adept at putting the puck on net. If both Gaborik and Richards are shooting like crazy and Wolski is there to bang home the rebounds I can only see good things happening. 

This plan does, of course, hinge on Wolski. If Wolski can find his 2008 game, where he was effortlessly stick handling past opponents, scoring goals and making other players dangerous then Wolski-Richards-Gaborik could be one of the most lethal lines in the league.

If Wolski doesn't work out on the top line, then there can be replacements. Ruslan Fedotenko is a player Richards talked about potentially wanting to play with. 

Regardless, to me, the rewards heavily outweigh the risks. What do you guys think? 

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Seems right. I’m up for giving him another chance.

by XxC17xX on Jul 7, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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by BigB22 on Jul 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean “rewards heavily outweigh the risks” right? And I’m with you BR can not only make Gabby better but they can all draw off one another and could all have big seasons. I think it’s definitely worth it to give him a shot at that top line. No doubt that Wolski has the talent for it and if he puts out the effort it could be something special. If not we obviously have other options and worst case scenario I could see the emperor making some kind of sweet deal and getting something in return by the deadline.

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I see no point in buying out Wolski unless the Rangers need to clear up more space for their RFAs, which, last I heard, is not expected to be the case. I don’t think Wolski will have a 60-point season but the potential is there and the Rangers have nothing to lose except some of Dolan’s pocket change.

by XLII on Jul 7, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Quoting myself from the last story
We know that Richards can improve Gaborik’s play
but what do you guys think he could do with someone more inconsistent like Wolski? Do you think he could make Wolski into a 25-30 goal scorer?

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolski is going to have a really good season playing with Gaborik and Richards. You heard it her first!

by KingHenrik_theVIII on Jul 7, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been saying it since the offseason started

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you can find my first request for Wolski on this team in early 2010.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you I believe lol

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh come on

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just kiddin sir lol

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i know

if i was pissed i would have banned you

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drunk with power.

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by Dig Deep on Jul 7, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s funny bc everytime I say something messing with you now I have a bit of fear inside thinking you’ll try to ban me if it rubs you the wrong way…terrible thing to live in fear…

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

be afraid

be very, very afraid

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st line needs

a gritter player than Wolski. We also need a guy who is going to defend Richards and Gabby, the ferrari and lamborghini in the NYR garage. Dubi is the guy.

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

if dubi hits the gym hard this summer without slowing himself down, he can easily by a 70 point power forward on that first line and make it the best 1st line we’ve had since the glory days

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

if they’re going to play Richards with Gaborik (and I assume that’s the plan initially) I think Torts would want to complement those 2 with a “grinder” with some skill (Fedotenko?), much the same way Vancouver has Burrows on the Sedin line.

by AZRangerFan on Jul 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is Dubi then...

a Range Rover or something?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 7, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

an armored truck

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m afraid that these three guys together won’t be able to keep the puck out of the defensive zone.

Who’s going to forecheck? Who is going to backcheck? Who is going to go in the corners? Who is going to win the 50/50 pucks? Who is going to be the third man back to stop the odd man rushes?

I’m fine with a Wolski-Richards-Gabby line, as long as they aren’t playing the other top lines.

by The Blue Seats on Jul 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the cap space is needed to sign the RFAs

there’s really no reason to buy him out. Give him a few months to gel with Richards and if it doesn’t work move him mid-year or just ride out the year and let him go. At this point he’s like Frolov last year.

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by Broheem NJ on Jul 7, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Right guy for the first line is...

Prospal. Forget Wolski, just another underachiever who will never pan out to what his skills suggest he should. Prospal is a seasoned vet who has a knack for crashing the net and banging home the trash, which is exactly what the rangers will need with BR and MG constantly throwing the puck at the net. Comes back at the end of the year and is putting up almost a point per game, plus hed be cheaper than Wolski. He is also the only guy on the team who has built up some consistency with Gabby, and throw Richards into the mix and you have a top flight first line. There is no doubt in my mind that the Rangers should buy out Wolski and use half that money saved to sign Vinny.

by ASMC on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

vinny is very effective

And could still be a great fit on that line. But he’s old. Its risky. Wolski is frolov right now. Might not work but nothing to lose. He’s shown whenn motivated (fresh trade or team success) that he steps it up. He played well his first couple weeks here and same first year w pheonix when they were high in the standings. And its a contract year. This kid wants money. He’s definitely not a guy I want on this team long term. But I have him confidently penciled in for 55 to 60 points this year

by nhl21 on Jul 7, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

if prospal was the guy, he'd be signed right now

No question Torts loves the guy and his heart but his knee is worse than we probably even think.
You heard Torts say it last year that he was amazed that Prospal even came back and played as well as he did.
Unless we get him cheap after we sign our RFA’s I don’t see him back.

by bgn1987 on Jul 7, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

the main difference....

is at least Wolski is already signed…i wouldnt be surprised if Vinny starts the season unsigned……maybe if we’re really desperate for another guy and vinny is still layring around maintaining his tan we could give him a call and add him for about 1mil….but right now we dont necessarily need to sign anyone (especially with all the prospects that could end up doing well in camp)

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 7, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on 100% … I hope.

Wolski has tons of talent, and playing with #s 10 & 19 will help bring it out.

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by MartyEqualsPansy on Jul 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren’t you worried about checking line goons taking liberties with said numbers?

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If teams want to play checking goons against our top line, they’re going to get murdered, even w/ Wolski. There’s not alot of checking line players that can consistently play against top offensive lines and play them even.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it does happen and there are skilled 1st/2nd line goons out there as well. I don’t want to sound like a poster who only cares about fighting/blocking shots/gooning it up, but I feel a ww/richards/gabby line is so vulnerable.

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skilled goons are a different animal. I’d certainly fear that line initially against Crosby’s line, Zajac/Parise, Nielsen’s line, Bergeron in BOS, etc…

I do think Wolski’s a bit underestimated. He’s a big guy, who can and did control things when he wanted to. It’s that last part that was not always true, and why he’s created such a split (nobody like people that aren’t perceived as trying their hardest 100% of the time)

The hope, at least for me, is that having the playmaking center again, combined with his offseason skating work, equals more of a commitment, more of that ‘when he wants to’ time, which will translate to a lot of success for that line, even against the best shutdown lines.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dubi is one of the strongest guys from the waste down in the NHL and if he focuses on increasing his strenght/power without losing speed or agility, he can be a highly productive power forward with gabby and richards who will not tolerate anything cheap (he was practically foaming at the mouth trying to get to carcillo during that debacle two seasons ago).

Keeping the pack line in tact has obvious advantages, but I would try Wolski with arty and callahan at first and see if he deserves a spot on the top line. If he can show that he will take every shift serioulsy and be productive, then I would consider rewarding him by playing gabby and Richards. Until then, I ’d say its gotta be Dubi

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't argue that Dubinsky isn't a strong fit for that line also.

Plus the ‘reward’ thing makes a lot of sense. I think having the pack line together creates a much stronger defensive line, however, and will allow BR and Stepan’s lines to be freed up a bit in their matchups, which should make everyone better.

Next, which I’ve said a couple times before, Wolski’s always been at his best when he’s had a playmaking center (Stastny, Lombardi, and even Stepan). Because of that, I don’t think Anisimov’s a good pivot for Wolski, Anisimov while super talented, strikes me as he’ll be more of a goal scorer, a 25-25, 30-30 type, as opposed to BR and Stepan. I’d rather see Wolski, if Dubi’s our LW1, be paired with Stepan.

Finally, I think that almost anyone put on that wing is going to have improved numbers. I personally think Wolski’s better there because you could turn him from 35 to 65, where Dubi may only go from 50 to 60. Dubi might go to 60 anyway staying in the role he is (plus the presumed extra PP success), so I’d rather use that slot to at least attempt to get the guy with the high ceiling back to his ceiling.

But as I said, if Dubinsky’s there, that’s fine by me.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree on all points except....

I think playing with Richards and Gabby will unlock some production in Dubi as well.

He will have space he’s never had before and will be able to take advantage of all the rubber brich and gabby will put on net. I’m thinking 70 points. Obvioulsy these advantages apply with anyone playing with them, but I think dubi is a much better all around player than Wolski.

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 totally agreed, I think Dubi should play on that top line before anybody else.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never break up the Pack line, IMO. Put Stepan at 1st line LW.

by Richter1994 on Jul 7, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

The Pack line is practically a 1st line as it is. How many teams have 2 first lines?

Maybe its a 1A line. lol they are special

by SeanI on Jul 8, 2011 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this

Dubi is not afraid of getting his nose dirty, but he can finish too. I think he’d be great on that top line and he’s not gonna let anyone get away with pushing around Gabby or BR.
I think WW would be a good fit on the line with Cally and AA because Cally is the guy that will do the dirty work there. I do see your point of the benefits of matching him up with Step though.
I do really like the Pack line but again, I just think Dubi would really excel on that top line.

by bgn1987 on Jul 7, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thing for us....

i think the skilled 1st/2nd like goons out there are mostly in the West….so we wont have to worry about that too often.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 7, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

well said, they’ll just burn them, speed and superior anticipation will always win over a goon line.

On another note, someone said Wolski was like Frolov. What? Wolski was one of the more vibrant players in the playoffs, how can we forget those sparks of contribution? Kid’s skilled, no one develops well with pheonix. Be patient, re sign him i say

by admichla on Jul 7, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

we always seem to forget that there are actually 2 additional players on the ice at all times (3 if you count Hank, especially since he’s been known to take care of business on his own when people start running him)….why cant said “protection” come fromt he D-men?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 7, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only Dmen that i feel comfortable with having their back is Sauer and I guess Girardi

by Town on Jul 7, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubt this to be true….just cuz you dont see it need to happen often…doesnt mean the others aren’t “comfortable”…

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give Wolski another chance

I could do without Avery though.

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by The Last Shall Become First on Jul 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Would much rather have Wolski in the lineup than some other guys because of his offensive upside. Though I am aware he has a “buyout friendly” contract.

I would rather have Wolski’s size and offensive upside on the first line with Richards and Gaborik than Fedotenko. Fedotenko may add some more grit and nasty to the line, fighting for pucks in the corners and all of that jazz, but having a Wolski on that line gives you another player who can really move the puck well and has some sweet hands. Could live with either combination really, especially if Richards is happy playing with the F-Tank.

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by Dig Deep on Jul 7, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolski WILL have a monster year.

He has the talent,the teammates and he’s in a contract year.I can see him with anywhere from 65-75 points this year,hopefully a bunch come on our new and improved powa play(Torts talk).

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by Stroker Ace on Jul 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Contract year

Glad you pointed that out. Guys tend to raise their game when they’re looking for a payday.

by bgn1987 on Jul 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah about 6 times lol

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Got to like the idea of raising Wolski's trade value

He is gonna try harder this year because its his contract year. If we put him on that top line to help boost his stats he has a great chance at returning to his 60 point self. If that is the case we can sell high and get a kings ransom for him at the trade deadline or for his negotiation rights at next years draft.

Lets be honest with ourselves now though. If Wolski is having a huge season he still has to get moved before next season because with a shinny new contract he will go away again until playoffs and pay raises.

by Pballer505 on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I strongly disagree

Dude is useless. I’ve been reading a lot of articles on here talking about how Torts is building a team that fits his mold and character…Wolski is the antithesis of Tort’s image and character. He is lazy, disinterested and apathetic, albeit talented.

He should be bought out and the money we save should be spent more wisely(or saved for the trade deadline).

by Twigs on Jul 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

You realize how high his value can get playing on the left wing of BR and Gabs?
Imagine the return at the deadline.

Opposed to 2 years of dead cap space.

by The Blue Seats on Jul 7, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

there is no question about this….we really dont gain much by buying him out……however we could gain a lot if he perhaps was to click with that first line…and score like 30 goals or so…easily possible if he “tries real hard”.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depth...

we don’t have depth in this line-up at LW lets say wolski is goin for some reason we have Dubi and nobody else that can do 1st or 2nd Lw in my eyes that can play there… every one else just cant do it wolski and dubi are the only ones who has the “tools” but obviously when wolski WANTS to use those tools he can be huge and hes not bad along the boards either basicly we just need a spread scoring threat through out the line-up and wolski CAN give that on the top line and keep the pack line together. I do think with underhill he will improve his skating and he has to be hungry to get a pay raise or it will be a pay cut. I do think good or bad year he wont be Ranger next year or at the deadline. I think it gives the kids n the AHL a year to develope i believe we talk about them too much for them to be on the team this year….we r just going to have to ride out wolski and hope he is at his best cuz his back is against the wall like that year PHO/COL.

by Anthony Tamburro on Jul 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

we don’t have depth in this line-up at LW lets say wolski is goin for some reason we have Dubi and nobody else that can do 1st or 2nd Lw in my eyes that can play there

 We currently have the luxury of having Zuccarello and Avery, who can certainly play top 6 minutes if needed, not to mention EC until something changes. They can actually absorb injuries a bit here. Not forever, but few teams can absorb injuries forever.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ll also have a few options should injuries arise up in CT

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe prospal if resigned

by marionyr on Jul 8, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hoggo, did you use Joe’s name to write this? lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 7, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering when you were gonna get to me.

Look, Wolski makes sense. The line will be soft as shit but so was Richard’s line in Dallas. I don’t see why Wolski with his size won’t be at least the toughness that James Neal did.. At some points we’ll probably see Dubinsky up with Richards and Gaborik, but I really think Tortorella, with all his line shuffling, is loathe to break up the chemistry that he and Callahan have established.

If Wolski doesn’t work out though, I say take a run at Hemsky during the offseason. Wolski, Christensen, and Avery will all be off the books. And hopefully Sather can Jedi mind-fuck Redden into voiding his contract (if that’s allowed… I’m not sure if anyone has said that’s a possibility). And yes, Hemsky. I know the Rangers have youth, but with Richards and Gaborik locked up for a couple years, Fedotenko for one more, as well as the young defense, and most likely the Pack line a couple years, I say “win now.” Let Thomas and the rest get a full season or two in the AHL.

by Hoggo on Jul 7, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, here’s the bottom line: Wolski is 25 and he’s already been on 3 teams. 3 teams that needed scoring, or what Wolski is supposed to do. There’s a reason for that. Same with Zherdev. Ok, the talent. And? What else? The rest you need to be a compete player that will help teams win. That’s what’s lacking in these 2 very talented players. It’s always the same with these type of players: “maybe this will be the year…” What’s worse for Wolski is that he’s not a Torts’ guy in the way he plays and this is now completely Torts’ team. It’s a bad mix. Maybe the player can change but how long do you wait especially with a juicy cap savings attached to him? Hemsky is a good player but very injury-prone.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

but how long do you wait especially with a juicy cap savings attached to him?

you wait to see if this very talented player meshes with your other very talented players on line 1. We don’t need the cap space. He’s taking ‘summer school’ with Barb Underhill. Maybe he’s ‘getting it’.
If he’s decent, you trade him later in they year. If he’s horrible, you let him go at years end since his contract is up. If he puts it all together, you try to re-sign him at reasonable rate.

by j-red on Jul 8, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

we might need the cap space if we need to make a move at the trade deadline and WW doesn’t work out. listen, I hope he does get it because he could easily be a 30 goal, 60 pt player, if not more on the 1st line. but he does have a history of underachieving. just sayin.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think its worth buying a player out just in case we need to make a move at the deadline.

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

not saying that Moshe, I think he should be bought out because I don’t think he’s worth it as a player at almost $4M. if he were making $1M then that’s different. The additional cap space is the incidental benefit of getting him off the books. if he played like the player he should then this would not be an issue. he would play on the 1st line and that would be that.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he played a full season at the pace (drink) that he was on, even with the laziness and charmin qualities that are attached to him, he’s a 42 point player, 6th highest on this team.

Over a much larger sample of non-Rangers play, he averages 52 points per 82 games, nearly 40 per year just at even strength. In the playoffs, he’s got 17 in 27 games (51 per 82), so it’s not like he’s a guy who has ‘disappeared’ in the playoffs either, like a certain Russian who he’s repeatedly compared to. We’d certainly be throwing $4m at a player like him if there was one available.

Yes, he’s aggrevating as fuck because of his inconsistent compete level, but he’s still an incredibly skilled player, much more so than anything you’re finding to replace him on the free market right now. Buying him out makes the team weaker, and unless there’s an absolute urgency to free up the space, there’s no reason to get rid of him.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone said “the numbers don’t…” oh, wait, that’s you George, lol. ok, everything you said is true. after watching 45 years of ranger hockey there is two things I loath: lack of effort and underachieving based on talent level. to me, Zherdev and Wolski are the poster children. I ripped Zherdev apart when he was here even while he was racking up pts. and the reason is that the rest of his game (other than pts) was excruciating to the point of pulling hair out. these guys could be GREAT, not good, GREAT players. Me personally, I would rather give Wolski’s spot to a slightly lesser talented but more efforted (efforted? lol) player. That’s just me. You used the F word? you must REALLY be aggravated by Wolski’s play lol,

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I curse a ton in real life, I just restrain myself here generally. I was projecting aggrevation like yours. I’m not aggrevated by Wolski at all.

I don’t need a team full of guys with a motor like Prust. If he’s a 70 point guy masquerading as a 45 point guy, I’ll take the 45 points. That’s still a top 6 forward in the league these days.

I do honestly think he’s going to play well this year, between the contract and the offseason work and the addition of Richards. After this year, I’d love to see Wolski replaced with someone as good but a little more fan-friendly. For this year, he’s the best option we have for 1LW or 2LW (wherever you’re not putting Dubi)

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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I curse a lot too so I can relate, lol. I hope Wolski scores 30 goals and 60 pts. it would be great for the team. I just can’t past plays like Game 4 against the Caps when he was ahead of the field to negate an icing late in the game and basically pulled up and lost out. Doesn’t show up on the score sheet but I wanted to leave my seat and run down to the ice and strangle him. Don’t ever break up the Pack line and I truly believe that Stepan should be at LW. I do agree though that if Wolski is not bought out then he will probably get the job. That admission was for my friend Hoggo, lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wolski is worth more bought out or traded than being on the roster.

by Richter1994 on Jul 7, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Nik Zherdev part 2. Wolski has all the talent in the world and he showed that in the Carolina game when he scored the game tying goal and then had the winner in the SO. but he disappears for weeks on end and torts will take him off that line after he no-shows for 2 or 3 games.

by nyrangerfan521 on Jul 7, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Love all the zherdev hate.

Guy was practically our only offensive threat that year, we put our team on that “enigmas” back and he still put up nice numbers. Yea he disappeared sometimes but he isn’t a cornerstone guy, he’s a lethal 2nd liner.

If he was on our current team everyone would love the extra goals and pure skill he’d bring.

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No one was better than Zherdev was the year he was on the Rangers, in my opinion.

by Hoggo on Jul 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we haven’t had 5 guys with better seasons then Zherdev since he left

by BuckarooClub on Jul 7, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats forgotten a lot.

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on how you define “better season”. Strictly looking at points? Sure. But as is discussed on this site ad nauseum, there is a lot more to the game than points.

by j-red on Jul 8, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just referring to points. However, I think there’s something to be said for having a few guys who were just “born with it” the way a guy like Z was. Someone who can dangle, and open things up. I understand this whole “hard work” idea, but sometimes when hard work isn’t enough letting skill take a crack at it can get things going. In Tampa it worked cause Vinny and Marty are guys who can beat you one on one, especially back in their primes.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t bother, lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt, he was absolutely dreadful down the stretch and in the playoff series against washington. keep in mind that Zherdev picked up a decent number of points on the same line as Dubi and Aaron freakin Voros. now u can say that he was so good that he even contributed on that line but i will say that the line just played wayyyyy over their heads when they were hot. Its no accident he was frequently a healthy scratch for the Flyers down the stretch this past season. And he wouldnt last a week with Torts if he was back on the team

by nyrangerfan521 on Jul 8, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only we could clone Dubinsky, and have two of him to play on the top line and the pack line.

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 7, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

to avoid suspicion...

one would be Brandon and the other would Brendan.
one would also have to have a moustache all year round.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 7, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1993 Movie Gaborik

I think I’m just anxious to see old school “Team Wild” Gaborik. Where he isn’t dry humping the boards at the opposing teams side and actually letting it rip like that 1993 movie “Rookie of the Year” where the kid break his ARM and it heals weird and he then has the ability to throw like 120+ mph pitches and gets to join the major league…….damn Goborik I’m selling my mcfarlane action figure of you and the poster I bought of you from sports authority if you don’t produce this year….I mean I only paid 9.99 for the figure and like 2.00 for the poster…..but I swear I will, don’t test me you slovokian bastard .

by XxC17xX on Jul 7, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shootout

Only reason to keep Wolski. A good reason though. Plenty of forwards can replace him with Gaborik and Richards.

by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 7, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

if there’s nobody to really step in and replace him, keep him, if only for the shootout skills (which they seem to realy on so HEAVILY).

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on Jul 7, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well hopefully with BRich and the lineup next year there won’t be as many tight games that we scratch and claw with and go down to OT and the shootout…

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 8, 2011 12:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

dont forget

he scored the lone goal when we won our championship and beat vancouver

by thenyrangers on Jul 7, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey anyone here got any thoughts on Sergei Kostitsyn of Nashville?

He’s a 23 yo LW who hit 50 pts last season.

He WAS/IS an RFA however nashville “possibly” didn’t qualify him in time (NHLPA hearing upcoming), does anyone think Sather would go for him if he does become a UFA after the hearing or would he be pricey/not our style?

Thoughts? (i was gonna make a separate fanpost but I don’t know enough about the guy to make a decent post, if anyone else does feel free to slap some stats up and shit)

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW if his RFA is upheld he’s already filed for arbitration so i think he intends to stay in Nashville, but i mean at 23 yo and after a career year you know if he becomes a UFA he’s gonna dabble around.

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if the NHL says his QO didn't come soon enough

he might become a UFA. Then the Rangers could make a move.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 7, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but would he be a possibility, such as would he fit our system, is he better than our other options etc etc. I don’t know anything about the guy but just saw figured young, LW, scores seems to fit our list.

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shot nearly 25% last year. That’s not happening again.

Doesn’t mean he can’t play well, but when you see % like that, you stay away at contract time.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 7, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i needed :) saw the 23 goals/50 pts…but 25% sht pct, he can stay in NSH.

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love his brother...

But this kid’s a total nut-case.

He’s probably nuttier than Avery. He’s had fistfights with teammates at the NHL and international level, and gives the impression he’s more important to himself than the team is.

That said, his offensive game can’t be ignored. He also isn’t afraid to get into corners and grind a little.

by SeanI on Jul 8, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

best part of the video:

“(on the powerplay) brad richards again with an incredible decision at the point”

YES

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird though, I thought Fedotenko was 26 in Tampa. He’s rocking 17 in the video.

by Hoggo on Jul 7, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he wore 26 in pitt maybe?

by teknics on Jul 7, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct wore 26 in pitt

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha I’m always down

by Mr. Avery to you on Jul 7, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this is correct…he only was 26 for the two years there as far as i know.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always been a fan of letting Wolski take the last spot on the top line to start off just because he has that potential to be a real force in the league.
With the addition of Richards, like we talked about bringing Gaborik up to his full potential I can see the same thing happen with Wolski.
Especially if he is going to work harder during a contract year or even playing like he wants a spot because playing here isn’t like playing in Phoenix or Colorado.

by AyuvirGreen on Jul 7, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolski will decide what happens to Wolski.

He’ll be given every chance to prove himself. There is no better alternative short of a trade and he’s in a contract year. If he hasn’t established himself in the lineup by game 20/25 Torts will look internally at Hartford (Hagelin or MZA). Either of them can take 3rd line/4th line minutes and move somebody up.

Only reason you buy Wolski out is if you decide Boyle can’t play LW and you have a trade worked out to bring in a top six LW. In which case they would need to shed salary. I don’t think that’s going to happen, but if Boyle gets $2MM..I don’t think he’s going to be sitting on the 4th line all year.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 7, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

To clarify, Boyle won’t be on the 4th line because he deserves at least 3rd line minutes, not just salary. But he’s the 4th best offensive center on the team. Which in my book makes him likely to play wing on Stepan’s line and get top nine minutes.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 7, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Front-line LW...

Feds, Wolski, or Avery…

Avery and Gaborik worked very well 2 seasons ago (paired with Prospal/EC) and is also in a contract year in which “most” teams in the NHL don’t want him, so he has something big to prove.

Wolski… You guys have covered everything here.

Feds: See BigB22’s video above. Also, if you remember game 4 when Dubi/Feds/Gaborik pretty much owned the entire 2nd period… Feds was just as key as Dubi/Gaborik.

The reason I didn’t say Dubinsky… Keep him on the 2nd line with Callahan. I personally dont believe the jump to the 1st line will make that great of a difference in production than if he were to stay on the 2nd line. Especially if you compare it to WW/Avery/Feds where their production could jump 20pts+ if paired with Gaborik and BR.

by one-bar on Jul 7, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolski only has one year left on his contract, so if he ends up not working out this year Sather can either try to move him in a trade or let him walk at the end of the year to free agency. Basically, by keeping Wolski, the Rangers are playing with house money.

Just cause it’s “house money” doesn’t make betting on a longshot a good move. Especially when you can pick most of that money up, walk away, and live to play another day. Kenny Rogers has my back here.

Wolski put up 50 points in his best season EVER 2006-2007. That was also the only time he scored more then 20 goals. To compare, the other “W”, Wade Redden put up 36 points in 64 games that season. We can buyout Wolski, free up the cash, and keep the long shot bet by saying we did it incase Redden makes the team.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 7, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

First of all, he put up 65 points in his best season ever

Second of all, he’s 25-years-old and has a wealth of talent. Who else do you want to take a risk on? An ageing veteran who’s clearly lost a step?

Plus, he has trade value. Even a fourth-round pick is worth something. And if Wolski is having a bad year, it’s not crazy to get a 4th or 5th round pick for him.

Just seems dumb to waste his talent and youth.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 7, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is someone seriously thinking Redden could make the team.. or just messing with us.

I was actually fantasizing about the Whale’s power play next year… MZA/Yogan/Hagelin with MDZ and Redden at the point.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jul 7, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If WW can be a top 3 player, then Redden can certainly be a bottom pair defenseman. Honestly, if Redden wasn’t a $6.5 cap hit, he’d probably still be on our bottom pair.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 7, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it depends on how much he was being payed. If anything if his cap hit was so low we might have just bought him out. He’s not an awful defensemen, but I think our options right now are better.

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 8, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wade Redden could find work for 2 – 3 mil in the NHL, without a problem.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it’s not about the money (staying with the rangers). yeah, right, lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's DEFINATLY about the money

But it’s ALOT of money. He’ll have pocket 13 mil for riding buses after this season. He’s sticking around until the next CBA for sure.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree, then Redden should just shut up about it and play (for the Whale). I really don’t know what Sather was thinking on this one. Redden was declining with Ottawa. Was a head scratcher when it first happened never mind after the first season.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know he was complaining. Only heard that he’s been a positive influence down on the Whale. Saw them play a few times and have to say, Redden certainly looked like the best player on the ice, although alot of that has to do with experience vs the competition.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

not complaining, he was saying that what he was doing now was “not about the money” and he considers voiding the contract so he could play in the NHL again, though at a lower $$ contract obviously. Sather signed him so I don’t blame Redden but why say anything? just collect quietly. and yes, I have read a lot of good things about him mentoring the young guys and that he played hard. kudos for those things. but 3 more years of this. geez, lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d have a shit-ton more respect for Redden if he DID void his contract to get back to the big league. And not just because he’d be saving us money.

by j-red on Jul 8, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not that I’m a Redden fan but 3 years is a lot to void as opposed to one. that buys a lot of Connecticut pizza from Drury’s pizzeria, lol. We want to keep the Drurys off the welfare line as well. lol.

by Richter1994 on Jul 8, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure it is… but when you’ve already made millions, and you can get back in the NHL and still make around 2 million per, it should be reconcilable. He can get back to playing in the big league, prove that he can still play, get his pride back, and STILL make millions.

by j-red on Jul 9, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if Wolski is having a bad year, it’s not crazy to get a 4th or 5th round pick for him.

Imagine what we could get if we dealt him to Florida? At least a 3rd rounder, maybe a 2nd rounder…

I think people have to be a little patient with a guy like Wolski. If he doesn’t work with the team through the first fifteen or twenty games of the season on a line with Richards or being comfortable in a third line role of some kind, then I say we find a way to move him but until then, the kid has way too much upside and talent to just buy-out for cap space that we may or may not truly need.

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by Dig Deep on Jul 7, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit…send him back to phoenix and we might get a first from ol donny boy

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by Kevin Power on Jul 7, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WW pretty much burned his bridges there, no? Same with Colorado, where I was thinking he’d be a great cap fit – $3.8 mil towards the floor this year, that disapears at then end of next season when they might want to start giving it to some of their young talent.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 7, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we could trade Wolski, I think it would have been done. That cap hit would have been GREAT for teams looking to hit the floor. If he falters here, and we’re looking to move him, I think we’d be lucky to get a fifth. At the end of the day, how much is a team going to give up to pay a struggling player $1.9 mil for a half a season, when they can get him as a UFA at the end of the season?

The Richards move showed we are serious of putting a team that can contend on the ice. That $3.3 mil is a nice chunk of space to have to add a player if things keep going well for us. I still think we need to look at a vet for the blueline or could be in the market for another piece up front.

I think the chance we’d be taking on WW won’t give us a better chance of seeing results then trying MZA there, except that MZA is ALOT less expensive.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 7, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is all well and good but we can add a veteran d-man for around or under $1 mill and I don’t see any UFA forwards that are top six forwards. Glen Sather said when free agency opened that the club wouldn’t be going after a scoring winger (there was a rumor that Brad Richards had requested the club do that).

Abbreviated list of available UFA

Almost all of the players on that list are well over thirty years old and most of them don’t really bring much to the table. I would rather have Wolski than any of them.

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by Dig Deep on Jul 7, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Stroker Ace on Jul 8, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t saying we’d use it for a UFA right now, I was thinking we’d have it if we made a trade for an established player during the season. We’re counting on young guys for alot of this teams success, especially on the blueline. We also haven’t really addressed our need for a defenseman who can start the rush and support the play in the zone.

I’m not going to get into trying to speculate who these players might be, but there’s always some teams that stumble out the gate, and look to unload salary. If we’ve got a little room to work, and things come together they way we hope they will, I think the the opportunity to add a piece that can help us is worth more then what we can expect out of Wolski.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point but I see a flaw in that way of thinking because you are banking on the Rangers being able to take on a player that will fit the system and culture of the team with a trade during the year. The likelihood of a guy that will fit handsomely with the team and how we play becoming available in a trade is not terribly high, not to mention we would have to give up some important assets for what I am assuming would be a top six forward.

Keeping Wolski around lets us play with “house money” as Joe said in the story. There is risk involved, but the potential reward(s) are much higher and are certainly worth the risk. If the experiment fails his contract is done after next season.

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by Dig Deep on Jul 8, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we have to find a capable offensive defenseman who fits into the culture and system of the team, then we might as well sell the farm for Shea Weber or Nick Lidstrom, cause those are the only guys who are going to give us what we need offensively on defensse without costing us anything defensively. At some point Torts has to actually show he can COACH and use the tools he’s given even if they’re not the perfect fit. On a team full of stay at home defensemen retreating off the blueline at the first sign of trouble, it shouldn’t be hard to find a guy to pair with a puck mover and tell him to cover when he takes a chance.

As I said to Joe’s “house money” comment above, it might be house money, but it’s not a bet we have to make. If we think we need a winger who was drafted high, has talent, but has bounced from team to team, grab Zherdev for less then 2 mil – same odds of success (maybe a little better even) but requires half the wager.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom? What? I don’t understand if your first paragraph is supposed to be humorous or not. Torts has shown that he can coach and build a system (albeit a flawed one) in New York. I don’t see where the defenseman thing you brought up comes from, seems very random and unrelated to talking about Wojtek Wolski and the need (or no need) to add another top six forward to the club.

You can probably get Zherdev for 1 mill, but he already didn’t work in New York under Tortorella. More or less a moot point. I wouldn’t hate seeing him back in New York but why go through the drama and headache of Zherdev when we can have similar (though I would say lesser) skill in Wolski?

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by Dig Deep on Jul 8, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

First paragraph was a bit tounge in cheek. Just pointing out that there’s not alot of guys in the NHL who will be able to play flawless defense, handle the puck well, and contribute to the offense. Off the top of my head, I’d say Weber and Lidstrom are the only two guys that can do that. Torts seems to be worked up about making sure EVERY defenseman is proving themselves defensively, that he doesn’t embrace the guys who CAN play offense for what they CAN bring to the team. I had mentioned using WW’s money to pursue a defenseman who can move the puck further up, that’s where the D talk came from. I think that’s more important then another top 6 winger to play with the Richards and Gabby. Richards has shown an ability to play with a variety of young players – I think anyone of our guys making EL contracts could do fine.

As far as fitting in with the “culture and system”, an offensive defenseman is GOING to get caught up ice now and again. It happens. They’re also going to be able to create more opportunities by being able to join the play, or make a decent pass. Furthermore, I think ANY of current top 4 would DROOL over the opportunity to drop back faster, maybe even get to poke check or slide on a 2-1, to NEVER have to worry about handling the puck again. We’ve got be willing to bend or change the system a bit when it doesn’t take of all your needs the way it’s set up. “Jam” is nice, putting a little dab of butter between the jam and toast makes it even better.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny because if you ask Nashville fans they will say that Weber makes plenty of defensive mistakes and that Ryan Suter often has to cover for him (Weber gets all the glory).

You think adding a puck-moving defenseman to this team is very important, and I totally respect that opinion. I think we have some prospects in-house that can potentially become those kinds of players (Del Zotto is the obvious one) and guys like Staal and McDonagh may have the capacity to do that too.

It would be nice to have a guy who moves the puck well but I think our first two defensive pairs are more or less set. McDonagh has real potential to be a solid, well-rounded, two-way defenseman. He has wonderful speed and can move the puck relatively well for someone as inexperienced as he is. Is it worth buying out (or more likely trading) Wolski to add a puck-moving defenseman? To you the answer is yes, to me the answer is no. I don’t think we can get a guy like that for Wolski, and if we bought him out a player like that isn’t going to be available in the FA market.

Of course offensive d-men get trapped up ice when they pinch, they take chances and add to the offense. I think we should all exhibit a little bit more patience with Del Zotto because he has a great chance to become a puck-moving defenseman for the team, he just needs to build his confidence and learn to make smarter decisions with the puck.

I had mentioned using WW’s money to pursue a defenseman who can move the puck further up, that’s where the D talk came from.

1. Sorry I got confused about when the D-talk was brought up, was commenting elsewhere and my discussions got a little tangled up in my head.
2. I don’t think that money can be used to get anyone of real value in the FA market and I seriously doubt we can get a top pair or second pair d-man for Wolski that has real value as a puck-moving defenseman (who doesn’t have a god-awful contract).

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by Dig Deep on Jul 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, wasn’t saying use it for an FA. I think we’d have to find our puck mover in trade, and if someone is unloading a skilled defenseman, we’d have to be sending something back. I don’t think we have the roster players to send back alone, so it would probably be a situation where we are trading picks/prospects, meaning that we have to have the room under the cap to take on more salary then we are sending out. Hope that clears it up.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 9, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone in mind?

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by Dig Deep on Jul 9, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

In another post, I threw out the idea of Gonchar. Ottawa is in a “rebuild”, and he’s got 2 years at $5.5 left. It’s a bit steep, but the 2 years are perfect. Should be enough time for one of our guys to show they are going to step up and fill the roll.

I’m sure there will be other names once we get into the season though. There’s always a few teams, who things didn’t go right for, looking to shed some salary or start a rebuild.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just wanna interject here
First paragraph was a bit tounge in cheek. Just pointing out that there’s not alot of guys in the NHL who will be able to play flawless defense, handle the puck well, and contribute to the offense.

Nik Lidstrom would like a word with you

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by Kevin Power on Jul 8, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, he named lidstrom as one of those guys LMAO

by teknics on Jul 8, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Off the top of my head, I’d say Weber and Lidstrom are the only two guys that can do that.”

by teknics on Jul 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t read

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by Kevin Power on Jul 9, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom was one of the guys I mentioned, but it seems that got cleared up. My point was that without landing one of the rare jewels that is a 2 way defenseman, you’re going to have to live some flaws on one side of the puck. We’ve got alot of guys with way more D then O in their game, I’d be fine with bringing in a guy who can handle the puck, and telling the rest of them to cover his ass.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 9, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 definitely...

but despite his age…i’d totally give Selanne a one year contract if we coudl get him cheaper than his last contract….he’s still a damn beast.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only way he should be bought out is if we need the cap space during the arbitration hearings.

We have that second buy-out window now to fit those deals. I doubt we will need to buy him out because of them, but you never know.

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by Jonathan. on Jul 7, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m going to say give Wolski the first crack but when he screws up, give the chance to dubinski. Then if that doesn’t work MZA must get a chance to play with them. All that space those 3 can create has me excited in ways you guys can only imagine…

by louielounz1 on Jul 7, 2011 7:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Gotta give him a chance on the 1st line if his mind is right, but I actually thought the WW Step MZA line had some chemistry last year. I’m hoping Barb Underhill has some magical effect and everyone working with her improves as much as Boyle. Can you imagine how good we would be?

by mike1967 on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeahhhh...Wolski's Awful

I can’t believe people even want to see this guy on the ice, much less on the first line!?!?! Maybe in CT, but certainly not on this team. Aren’t we supposed to be this new and improved, hard-working, gritty hockey team now? Exactly where does the laziest player in all of hockey since Alexander Frolov fit into that scheme?

by broadwayblueshirts on Jul 7, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh god. Don’t exaggerate so much, drama queen.

by BigB22 on Jul 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh thats right...

cuz the Rangers are the only team to have ever had a lazy player before in the entire history of the NHL…

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by Master Ov Brutality on Jul 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Avery

At the risk of advocating something which may not go down well with Ranger fans (especially on the boards), if we should buyout anybody it should be Sean Avery.

Make a list of people you want as Rangers next year and I guarantee you that you are going to bump somebody you want in the lineup back out of it.

As for me, I want:

Wolski-Richards-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-Zuccarello
Prust-Rupp-Boyle

The lines will inevitably be mixed up by Tortorella
*
Centers and Wingers above are interchangeable to a certain extent
***Use Christensen as the 1st backup to pretty much any Forward position as injury or poor play warrants.

Avery’s cap hit this upcoming season is only half that of Wolski’s, but if freeing up that $1.9 mil ensures that Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Sauer, and Boyle come back next year, then it’s worth it to me. I do think that we are going to be pretty damn close to the cap ceiling by the time everyone signs. In the arithmetic in my head, I’m assuming Prospal, McCabe, and Eminger don’t get re-signed and that Del Zotto, and either McIlrath, Erixson, or Valentenko make the team.

Facing how young are D corps is going to be, signing a veteran D is desirable (gonna need to be <$2.5 mil cap hit and must be short term by definition).

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by NYRBlue on Jul 8, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

buying out avery = buying out his total contract (which dallas is paying half of)

i believe…

by teknics on Jul 8, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats how it works, and that would mean we pay the same money we are already paying for this year and next year… umm… no thank you…

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by Clalicata17 on Jul 8, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would switch fedotenko with wolski; i think ww is a better fit on an offensive 3rd line, with not that much pressure on. had some good games together with stepan and zucce. fedotenko could do the garbage work for br and gaborik. maybe bringing back prospal for a reasonabele price should be considered. or trade for a real scoring left wing. but most certainly we would have to give up to much for such a player.

in a perfect world a perfect fit would be t vanek from buffalo, but price would be far too big, i guess

by marionyr on Jul 8, 2011 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see an Avery buyout happening. Regardless of anything else, he has one year left and hangs out with our two biggest players. Torts may not like him, but Hank and Richards do. I don’t see us upsetting the apple cart like that.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Not to mention the buyout counts the entire cap hit, not the half we pay thanks to Dallas.

Buying Avery out is a big no-no.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Avery buyout from CapGeek.com

    2011-12: $1,208,333
    2012-13: $1,333,333

We’d save a whopping 800K this year with 1.33M in dead cap space next year with an Avery buyout. It would cost more to replace him with an AHL call-up (putting bonuses into account) than the cap savings on top of the dead cap space next year, so a buyout is not viable from a business standpoint. If he was horrible in the locker room, I could maybe see Dolan footing the bill, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case here.

by Kritikal on Jul 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jul 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone seems to ignore

That Torts moves these guys around like crazy.
That he demands things different from what they’re used to doing.
That he makes all of the players just a little nuts.

It’s hard to come into a completely different situation, then have that situation constantly change within itself and still be productive. Certain type of players can handle this, such are the Dubinskys and Callahans of the world, who can sacrifice every ounce of their being to make plays.

Then there are other types of players, who game differently. Guys with thick routines and habits, who work hard, but have conditioned themselves to need things to fit into place to find success on the ice. These players all fail with Tortorella, at least at first.

Wolski played a whole half of a season with the Blueshirts last year, and his role was almost completely different in each of those games. We as a fan base love attacking every player that isn’t Adam Graves or Mark Messier—the totally rounded, skilled player with a heart of gold, endless desire, and gritty mean streak. In recent years when Zherdev, Gaborik, possibly even Gomez (still hate that guy) have literally carried this team on their backs, we don’t embrace them totally because they do it in quieter, seemingly more inconsistent way. In the end, when a player leads a team with 58 points in a season, the team’s lack of success is probably not his fault.

This season, as you watch and judge and assess (probably from a standpoint of never having played the game in your life) watch for what’s really happening. If Player X is on a different line in several consecutive games or maybe even in the same game, keep in mind that he’s now got the other 2 guys he’s playing with showing up in different places, taking different risks, and showing their different tendencies. When you see Player X look out of place or “invisible” on the ice, try to follow what the rest of the line is doing at that time and think about how Player X fits into that play, and how that compares to the kind of player he is.

When all is said and done for the 2011-12 NHL season, if Wolski has played a relatively steady role and he doesn’t put up 45 points (that’s what 3.8M$ players do), THEN YOU CAN ALL START HATING ON HIM. If Gaborik is allowed to play his own game, and he still doesn’t put up 75 points, THEN YOU CAN CALL HIM A BUM.

Seriously people. Wake up and watch HOCKEY.

by SeanI on Jul 8, 2011 6:08 AM EDT reply actions  

agree on most part of your post. as i play hockey for myself, think you’re right on gabby. not so sure about wolski, but only time can tell. he’s just 25.

share your “hate” for gomez. he plays a bit like derek roy of the sabres, without scoring goals. i don’t think that’s a good way to play hockey as offensive line center

by marionyr on Jul 8, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

what is this "HOCKEY" you speak of?

I thought this was a cricket blog

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by Kevin Power on Jul 8, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I do like about the Richards signing is that we have a clear 1st line center. Last year, only inerrant mainstay on the 1st line was Gaborik. Now, we have Richards and Gaborik on the top line of both even strength and the power play. This upcoming year, hopefully someone will play well enough with them so that we have an established 1st line (like everyone else in the league seems to have; at least on a more consistent basis than the Rangers). That said, the LW complimenting our superstars could be a # of people. For reasons Joe expounded upon in the article and others elaborated in the comment section, I think Wolski is the “odds-on” most likely candidate (that and I like the Dubi-AA-Cally #2 line).

I do take your point that Torts mixes the lines up too much. I think it is one of the legitimate criticisms one can make about him (and you thought Renney was a chronic line-changer!). When the Rangers are down in a game, he seems too desperate to conjure up a goal from nowhere by switching lines up. This fickle mentality is focused too much in the short-term and I think costs the Rangers in the long-term by not allowing chemistry to form.

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by NYRBlue on Jul 8, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically the same thing as Frolov last year

People seemed to like that deal, so it stands to reason we should like having Wolski for a year at that price. Buying him out doesnt free up that much cap space, he wont fetch much in a trade, and you’re not going to find another pure scorer like him on the market for under $4 million.

It makes all the sense in the world to keep him, but I have tempered expectations. I’d be satisfied with 40-50 points. If he doesnt hack it on the top line, he looked like he had some chemistry with Stepan and Zucc last year. With some growth (literally… Step and Zucc need to add some strength) and a little luck that could be a legit scoring 3rd line.

by Steeeve on Jul 8, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Get rid of EC and sign Prospal

I say we rid of EC and sign prospal in case WW does not work out with the Richards line. I do like the idea and agree we do need a “grinder” on that line like Dubi or Avery. the only with Avery is which Avery are you going to get?. In the end, I foresee Ruslan being on that line.

Keep in mind, if Christian Thomas ( unlikely) makes the team than what line will he play on. I really hope EC is gone by October and one or two rookies make the team.

by gene4240 on Jul 8, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

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