Analysis: The Rangers Need For A Veteran Defenseman
The New York Rangers made a big splash in the free-agent market with the 9-year, $60 million signing of Brad Richards. Richards is an elite player at the center position in the NHL, and his talent is obvious. Over the past few days, weeks, and even months, Rangers fans everywhere have been doing their research and analyzing his ability. The general consensus seems to be that the signing of Brad Richards, although expensive, was a necessary addition to the Rangers organization. The feeling is deserved, as he is a unique player whose skills are needed in New York. He is a major aspect of building a Stanley Cup contender out of the New York Rangers.
However, the Brad Richards signing does not cure all of the Rangers ailments. It was made evident last year that the Rangers wanted a veteran presence on the blueline to complement to young group of homegrown defensemen working their way through the system. The addition of a veteran defenseman would aid in the development of the young corps, as well as provide a viable option to plug into the line-up in case one of the youngsters would struggle at the highest level of hockey in the world. Thus, the acquisition of Steve Eminger last July, acquired via trade with the Anaheim Ducks for Aaron Voros and Ryan Hillier. Eminger proved to be a competent option on the blueline, a functioning cog in the defensive machinery. Unfortunately, as the season progressed, Eminger began to falter and lose a step, eventually losing his spot in the line-up at an increasing pace.
The need for a solid veteran defenseman was palpable in the organization. Luckily, the Rangers seemed to have found the perfect match at the trade-deadline. That match was Bryan McCabe, traded to the New York Rangers from the Florida Panthers in exchange for Tim Kennedy and a 3rd-round pick. A heavy hitter with an even heavier shot, McCabe was seen as the solution to the Rangers inexperinced defense as well as a stagnant powerplay. As the season wound down and the Rangers made a push for the playoffs, McCabe was at times both brilliant and frustrating. He immediately became the biggest hitter and designated crease-clearer for the Blueshirts, and he even provided a few goals and assists from his big shot on the point. However, he showed signs of lethargy and indecisiveness during key moments in games. After the Rangers were eliminated from the playoffs at the hands of the Washington Capitals, it seemed McCabe had seen his last days as a Ranger.
So the Rangers entered the 2011 free-agency market back at square one, with an abundance of talented, albeit young defenseman. Again, questions have arisen regarding the Ranger blueline. Do the Rangers REALLY need another defenseman? Aren't our youngsters good? Does a veteran defenseman actually DO anything for a team? The answer to all 3 questions is amazingly... yes.
Although it seems rather obvious that the Rangers have depth at defense, another defenseman is not a luxury, it is a necessity. The youngsters we have seen have shown fantastic potential, such as Ryan McDonagh, Michael Sauer, and Michael Del Zotto. Also, names such as Tim Erixon, Dylan McIlrath, Pavel Valentenko, and several others pop-up frequently as potential Rangers when the 2011-2012 season comes around. The young Rangers defenseman are good, but they all lack a vital part of a winning team: experience. There's a reason why veteran defenseman are gems during the trade-deadline and free agency. They can provide a critical boost to a team making a playoff push or looking for a team that wants that final piece in the puzzle to bolster their defense to win the Stanley Cup. This is exactly what the Rangers need. I know, I know... YOUTH MOVEMENT!!! We all want to see the rookies show up at training camp and earn their spots. We have created a flourishing system of young, talented hockey players that we all love to see and want to keep. However, not all of these players can make the team and the necessity of a veteran blueliner is prevalent. Let's take a look at the last 5 Stanley Cup Champions since the lockout.
Note: Players who played significant games during the regular season or played during the Stanley Cup Playoffs
Carolina Hurricanes (2006) - Anton Babchuk (22), Mike Commodore (26), Bret Hedican (35), Andrew Hutchinson (26), Frantisek Kaberle (32), Oleg Tverdovsky (30), Niclas Wallin (31), Aaron Ward (33), Glen Wesley (37). AVERAGE AGE = 30.23
Anaheim Ducks (2007) - Francois Beachemin (27), Joe DiPenta (28), Kent Huskins (28), Richard Jackman (29), Scott Niedermayer (33), Sean O'Donnell (35), Chris Pronger (32), Aaron Rome (23). AVERAGE AGE = 29.38
Detroit Red Wings (2008) - Chris Chelios (46), Jonathon Ericsson (24), Nicklas Kronwall (27), Brett Lebda (26), Nicklas Lidstrom (38), Andreas Lilja (32), Derek Meech (24), Kyle Quincey (23), Brian Rafalski (34), Garret Stafford (28), Brad Stuart (28). AVERAGE AGE = 30
Pittsburgh Penguins (2009) - Philippe Boucher (36), Mark Eaton (32), Hal Gill (34), Alex Goligoski (23), Sergei Gonchar (35), Kristopher Letang (22), Ben Lovejoy (25), Brooks Orpik (28), Rob Scuderi (30). AVERAGE AGE = 29.44
Chicago Blackhawks (2010) - Nick Boynton (31), Brian Campbell (31), Jordan Hendry (26), Nickal Hjalmarsson (22), Kim Johnsson (34), Duncan Keith (26), Brent Seabrook (25), Brent Sopel (33). AVERAGE AGE = 28.5
Boston Bruins (2011) - Johnny Boychuck (27), Zdeno Chara (34), Andrew Ference (32), Matt Hunwick (26), Tomas Kaberle (33), Steven Kampfer (22), Adam McQuaid (24), Dennis Seidenberg (29), Mark Stuart (27). AVERAGE AGE = 28.22
Now, as it can be seen in the data, the average age of the defensemen on the Stanley Cup winning teams hovers right around 30 years old. Also, it can be seen that several of these teams have young defensemen, much like our beloved New York Rangers. However, each and every team which has won the Stanley Cup in the past 5 years has AT LEAST 2 major veterans on the blueline. The Carolina Hurricanes had Glen Wesley and Bret Hedican. The Anaheim Ducks had Scott Niedermayer and Sean O'Donnell. The Detroit Red WIngs had Nicklas Lidstrom, Chris Chelios, and Brian Rafalski. The Pittsburgh Penguins had Sergei Gonchar and Hal Gill. The Chicago Blackhawks had Kim Johnsson and Brent Sopel. The Boston Bruins had Zdeno Chara and Tomas Kaberle. The importance of these defensemen for these teams can't be understated due to a quality they had that simply can't be taught: experience.
The New York Rangers currently only have 5 defensemen signed who have played at the NHL level. I do not count Wade Redden in this group, as his days as a New York Ranger seem to be all but officially over. These defensemen are as follows:
Michael Del Zotto (21), Daniel Girardi (27), Ryan McDonagh (22), Michael Sauer (23), and Marc Staal (24). AVERAGE AGE = 23.4
23.4 years old... that is what the New York Rangers have on defense. A staggeringly low number which seems wonderful due to its implications of a bright future, but startling due to its implications of an inexperienced and unpredictable present. The Rangers made a big move by signing Brad Richards, but their attention should now be towards the blueline again. A veteran defenseman can change the look and, especially, the mentality of a team. The Rangers are a team that could use that kind of a makeover on defense. I love the young group of defensemen currently in the system as much as the next guy, but adding a veteran for a good price could be huge. Whether it is through trade or free agency (Although the market has been thinned as an abundance of the UFA veteran defenseman have been signed. See what I mean? They go quickly!) the Rangers should look to add some veteran depth on the blueline to stabilize the team. It could mean the difference between a summer spent playing golf or parading through the city.
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Well said
The avg age analysis is compelling, but do we really need to sign Chris Chelios to win the cup? The key is to add a hard hitting leader, who won’t wilt and havent lost a step yet. Problem is that those guys aren’t cheap and we are going to be tight on cash after inking the rfas. Maybe next year or at the deadline.
Very good write-up
To address Blueshirts Rock above me, I don’t think he is saying we need a “Chris Chelios” to win the cup. I think he is saying that you need a guy who will inject poise and leadership into the defensive core. Off the top of my head a great example of a player like that is a guy like Hal Gill. Having a guy who has been around the block and can sit next to a young kid in the locker room and offer bits of wisdom or advice is absolutely priceless. A guy like Brent Sopel would work in that capacity relatively well and could still be content with third pair minutes, or even in a 7th defenseman role.
That is the sort of veteran d-man I want, someone who is willing to play on the third pair, possibly with Del Zotto or Erixon, and just be a resource of advice, coaching, information, and support for a young kid.
Do I think we are contenders for the cup next year? I hesitate to say it, but I think we can be. Otherwise I wouldn’t be entertaining a thought like this. Really, an addition of this ilk is one of those “final pieces” that a club goes out of its way to get to finish off its playoff roster. Maybe the Rangers can save some money and an asset or two by going out of their way to pick-up a veteran d-man now. If for no other reason I would like to have a guy like Sopel around as an insurance policy in case one of the kids isn’t cutting it and isn’t ready for the grueling NHL season next year.
If we can get a guy like Scott Hannan (yes please), Brent Sopel, or Paul Mara to join the team for a bargain cap hit I would be thrilled. If not, I think the team still needs the luxury of having a guy like Steve Eminger around who can play bottom pair/7th defenseman role reliably.
Interesting write-up. I like the thought process behind it.
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I liked Mara, he was always a stand up guy……why not just bring Eminger back?
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I liked Eminger last year, he did some good things. Unfortunately, he’s not quite the veteran we need. I think that showed during the season. Eminger is still pretty young, the problem is that he is a journeyman. What would be more beneficial is an experienced character guy, a locker-room presence who could provide an example and instill some knowledge in the young guys as well as step in when needed.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to add the experience in the top 4
Just bringing in a guy to sit at the end of the bench isn’t enough. We need a vet who can come in, take charge a bit, and really pump up our blueline now, as well as getting these players on the right track so they can do the same for the glut of young defensemen down the road. If we can find a guy who can do all this, and be the puck mover we still need, that would be even better.
At this stage of the game, you’re not finding a top 4 defenseman via UFA that is better than what we currently have, so it makes sense to supplement the veteran presence on the back end.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Scott Hannan is the only guy on the market that could be a top four defenseman on our team, but he is also the guy that will most likely have the biggest price tag. Everyone else is third pair/7th defenseman in terms of how strong we already are at the blueline.
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Though Hannan is still pretty good in his own right. Top pair two years ago, played all throughout the lineup last year.
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by red army line on Jul 8, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
As a caps fan, do you think he’s going to resign with them?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does he’d probably need to sign for fairly cheap
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I think he’s heading back out West. He’d been there his entire career before these past few months.
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t seem there would be room or money for him on the Caps blueline, especially after Alzner is re-signed.
Might be. They have to make one more move to get enough cap space for Alzner, and I could see—though I think it unlikely—they verbally agree to a deal with Hannan (while Eric Belanger calls him and tells him he should bail), trade Schultz and Erskine, and then sign Hannan.
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by red army line on Jul 12, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd have to make a trade
As I said to Digger in another thread, I like having Wolski’s money available to see who shakes out in the first few months of the season. A couple teams start underachiving, thinking about “reloading” and they might have the type of players we’re looking for. That’s why I like having Wolski’s hit in our pocket.
Without starting rumors, and off the top of my head, I think maybe Gonchar from Ottawa. They are in the midst of a “rebuild”, and paying him $5.5 this season and next. The price is a little steep, but the fact he’s older, has a ring, can move the puck, and will be out of the picture are other prospects move up makes him seem like a good fit. He has a NMC, but that was worked into the deal they signed before OTT decided to blow it up and start over.
Not saying we need to trade for Gonchar, or will trade for Gonchar, just that he was a good example of the TYPE of player we could use, and the type of situation that might make a player like him available.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 8, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Souray is at a point where his body can’t handle the game. Gonchar missed time with a concussion last season, but still managed 27 points in 67 games on a Senators team that had tons of injuries and was in “rebuild” mode by Christmas. I wouldn’t call that “broken”, unless your that afraid of the concussion. Personally, as bad as it sounds, I’d take concussion over just about any other type of injury in an older player. It’s nothing they will try to “rehab”, he catches another one, chances are he hangs them up, and we get his cap space back.
its Gonchar dude. You really would like to see us bring Gonchar over? Even when he was on the Pens he wasn’t giving his full effort, you want some who’s gonna half-ass it on the ice? Someone who will simply stop skating on a backcheck and let the other team walk in and score?
Go ask Pens fans about how useful Gonchar is/was before he left.
I never said it HAD to be Gonchar, just that he is an offensive defenseman who might be available. As far as not back checking, between Hank and whoever we pair him with who will certainly drop back at the slightest sign of danger, I’ll take our chances. Being able to get the puck out of our zone, and put the other team on their heals is well worth the risk IMO.
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Well even better sure, but how much would it cost?
You’re asking for a veteran top 4 defensemen with leadership abilities and an offensive game. Those types of players don’t come cheap, and we would have to trade for one.
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Isn’t Mc D also signed? You left him out.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work.
I’m not a believer in age or experience all that much. I think they are means to an end—being a good hockey player, plain and simple. Learning the tricks of the trade, when to pinch and when to stay back, etc, comes with age/experience, but guys like Drew Doughty already have a pretty good grasp of those concepts and delicate balances right off the bat. For the purposes of depth it’d be good to have another good (and hence, likely experienced) defenseman, but the only need I see is a 5/6.
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I tend to disagree
The young D we have led us to the 5th lowest goals against in the league in 10-11 (4 GA from 2nd). Yes the Dmen don’t contribute too much on the offensive side, but that’s something that will develop. The fact that such a young group can shut opponents down already is a great asset. I’m not sure adding a veteran to the mix would really be of much benefit to the top 4 and what the team would have to give up to get one may be more costly than its worth.
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I completely agree that the rookies and young guys the Rangers have at defense have played very well, especially given their age. It is comforting to know that we have some good prospects coming through who can provide that. That being said, I think that Henrik Lundqvist played a much more pivotal role in the Rangers GAA and defense than our youngsters. The Philadelphia Flyers made it to the Finals with a lackluster duo of goalies, but their defense was fantastic. The same is true of the Chicago Blackhawks with Antii Niemi, except they actually WON the Stanley Cup. A good defense is crucial to a successful team, and a veteran presence throughout the season and in the playoffs can do a lot for a team, as I stated in the post. He could be the key to unlocking the full potential of these rookies.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with you on Hank making the numbers a bit better. I see your point and truly wouldn’t mind seeing a veteran Dman brought in to help keep the ship steady. I just don’t want the top 4 stifled or the wrong guy brought in just to bring someone in. Hopefully Sather will keep doing what he’s done lately and get the right guy for the right price. (side note – is it nuts how fast Sather went from “fire him” to all this praise?)
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I think a lot of us are too quick to put an offensive ceiling on some of our D men. I think now that the pack line will have another year under their belts and we added richards, our system will shift towards the offensive side of the spectrum a bit. I think the lack of offense last season had a little to do with the type of hockey we played.
Don’t rule out the possibility of Staal, McD and Erixon can one day be prolific blue liners.
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Watching the games last season both Staal (4 Seasons) and Girardi (4 1/2 Seasons) played like the seasoned veterans they are. And i feel are completely poised and confident enough to lead by example and help out the young core of blueliners.
That being said, and I think everyone will agree, both Sauer (20) and McDonagh (16) played well beyond their years.
P.S.— Erixon should also be on that list.
Both Staal and Girardi are younger “veterans”, especially Staal who is still only 24 years old. A true veteran could take the pressure of a rather young Staal and Girardi by setting an example and being a role model especially in the locker room. There is a lack of leadership on and off the ice now that Chris Drury and Vaclav Prospal are gone. Brad Richards can provide some of that, but a character, veteran defensemen is the archetypal leader that this team could use.
The New York Rangers currently only have 5 defensemen signed who have played at the NHL level.
Tim Erixon has yet to play a game in the NHL. Although, if he were included, it would make the average age of the team even younger.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, +/- is not the most useful or accurate way to determine a players defensive skills.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not worried, I am certain Cigar Man will pick up a veteran to complement
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Well written and thoughtful posting – very nice !
Now, I’ll basically disagree with you across the board.
First – ‘leadership’. There’s plenty of leadership in the locker room, especially with the addition of a Conn Smythe, Stanley Cup winner and letter holder in Brad Richards. Staal has also worn a letter. There’s no particular need for a “veteran defensive leader” – what exactly are any of them going to learn from {insert big money name here} that they can’t from Staal/Girardi about defense??
Second – age. Despite the fact that the average age is low, and not likely to increase much, you’ve got 2 highly recognized 1st pairing guys going into their 5th plus season in the NHL. Those are veterans at this point. And good ones, at that.
Third – the acquisition of McCabe was strictly for the power play and nothing else. It was a stop gap, and turned out to be a poor one – because he was asked to be the PP QB when he’s always been a PP Point shooter. Different roles, but he was the only one available at reasonable cost.
Fourth – If the NYR felt a palpable need to acquire a top 4 veteran offensive d-man, they would have done it already. Last year, they brought 3 guys (besides Eminger into camp). None of them made the roster. 2 were “name” veterans.
That’s not to say Darth Sather isn’t scouring the phones looking for someone to play “Let’s Make a Deal”. If the opportunity comes up to trade for the right piece – he will – but it has to be with a team that’s looking for 2nd pairing/prospect defenders who may take a year or 2 to come into their own (Valentenko, Kundratek, Pashnin, Niemi, Klassen).
Based on last year, my assumption would be that they’ll do the same this year. Eminger will be in camp, along with a couple of other un-signed vets. One of those at least will be an “offensive d-man” – so that if Del Zotto hasn’t gotten his act together, he’ll start in WhalePack land. If McCabe doesn’t land a contract, expect him to be there as well.
Tort’s mantra is “play the youth”, “build the core”, etc. Don’t be terribly surprised if the NYR 7 defensemen are
Girardi – Staal – Sauer – Del Zotto – McDonagh – Erixon – Valentenko
The 6 and 7 could well be any of those 2 plus Eminger and even Kundratek. Also McCabe as noted above.
Thanks for a thought provoking and very well written piece !
There’s no particular need for a "veteran defensive leader" – what exactly are any of them going to learn from {insert big money name here} that they can’t from Staal/Girardi about defense
I think there’s quite a bit, I also think if we acquired a more established vet, who can play top 4 mins, it would keep pushing Staal and Girardi, and help them develop, as well as keeping some of the pressure off them while they’re trying to develop. The playoffs showed those guys they’ve still got some learning to do, and an outside “threat” would give both players a chance to step up and TAKE their top stop, rather then just walking into it, which is pretty much what coming up in a system with veteran blueliners like Rosi, Redden, and Mara among others allowed them to do.
I think the Rangers are more in need of a depth defender with some experience as opposed to a more expensive, top-4. Getting a good deal on a 5th, 6th, or 7th defender would be the best option in my opinion.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank You Very Much
I really appreciate the response, especially from a knowledgeable hockey person such as yourself. I see where you’re coming from, and I’ll address each of your points.
First – Leadership – Although there are some leaders on the team, I would not personally say there is “plenty” of it. Richards certainly brings leadership to the table, as I mentioned in the post. However, simply because Staal has worn an “A” does not mean he is a good leader. He is a tough defender on the ice, but very soft-spoken and quiet. Dubinsky and Callahan provide a modest amount of leadership, but the boost in leadership that a character defensemen can bring certainly could not hurt, and in my opinion, could really help the structure of the defense.
{insert big money name here}
I never said that the Rangers should get a “big money” name, in fact I said the opposite.
… adding a veteran for a good price could be huge.
I think the Rangers could really benefit from a 6th or 7th, veteran defensemen, NOT a big-name, big-money blueliner.
Second – Age – I agree that Staal and Girardi are studs, and should be recognized throughout the league as one of the better pairs on the blueline. I have no problem with their age. The problem that I see is that they are the 2 oldest players on defense, and that is a little disconcerting. I don’t see how a depth, veteran defensemen could hurt the team, both in the present and the future.
Third – McCabe – I realize that the McCabe acquisition was mostly motivated by the need for a better powerplay. However, I think the ulterior motive there was to bring in a veteran defensemen for the playoffs. That being said, I agree. McCabe was more for the powerplay, which he failed to energize.
Fourth – Top 4 Defenseman – As I said before, my post is about adding a depth defender. Some started to suggest bigger name defenders such as Scott Hannan and otherwise, but he would be far too expensive and does not fit the profile that I am talking about. You are absolutely correct about the training camp defensemen. They simply didn’t make the cut because the coaching staff saw something in the young guys. Now, I think the need for a viable 6th or 7th defender with some experience is more immediate.
I am a big proponent of the youth movement. But the fact that such a young defensive group could take up so many spots worries me a little, as you never know what could happen to young player mentally and physically.
Thanks again for your analysis, it was good to read a nice breakdown even if I don’t completely agree with everything you said.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fundamentally, I don’t really disagree with anything you’ve said. I don’t think adding a ‘veteran depth d’ would hurt – I just don’t think it would help this particular group of incumbents. And my point in raising the ‘last year camp’ scenario was essentially that the coaching and management staff saw nothing available that would have been better than those players already in the system. With Erixon added, and Valentenko and Kundratek both showing nice progress at the end of last season in HFD, plus the hoped for return of the ‘real’ Del Zotto – I suspect that their feelings are even more solid than they were last year.
In summary – I have no problem with your scenario if it goes down. I also believe (trying to think like Rangers’ mgm’t) that it won’t happen because of the available depth, even if they are young.
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I would be fine with either scenario, whether it be the full youth movement or adding a veteran. Personally I would prefer adding a veteran and seeing how that goes for the season. If that fails, then give all the young guys a chance starting in 2012-2013. I completely agree with you that management very well may just side with the youth. It is an exciting time to be a Ranger fan, and that’s been a long time coming. So much potential, so much homegrown talent. Future so bright, gotta wear shades.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this makes what youre suggesting seem more plausible
But not anymore useful. Having a guy as a 6 or 7 doesn’t have that much of an effect that id say we need it. Or even want it. But resigning emminger (insert 28 to 35 year old here) for aa reasonable contract would be ok in my book.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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Hook
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Not a Defenseman! Loved Ogrodnick though on those late 80s teams.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the creepy dude behind and to the left of gary colman
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now we know what Willis was talking about
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by Danz10 on Jul 14, 2011 8:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really good/thorough write up
And I can’t Disagree more. Compelling numbers and details but a defensemen who fits our needs is simply not feesable right now. We don’t need a guy who’s gonne play third pair/ pine pony minutes. And anyone above that level just isn’t available. Anyone on free agency will want multi year deal and I’m looking way past this year for stanley cups. Bringing on some aging vet long term right now just isn’t smart.
by nhl21 on Jul 8, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I completely understand that point of view. Thank you very much for the compliment on the post. I realize that, as of right now, there simply aren’t many UFA veteran defensemen who fit this bill. Possibly a trade could be in order, but I would be hesitant to trade away a major prospect at this point. If the Rangers had addressed this earlier in the free-agency period, then it might have been a very good move. Possibly it is a move made mid-season or at the trade-deadline, but I’d like to see a more experienced player on the blueline if it is possible for a good price.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect that point of view. Personally id like to see what mdz can do in that 6 spot but as a 7th d I would actually be very happy to see a guy with good experience and even if mdz falters, I don’t see another # man in our system who I want to play in that spot.
by nhl21 on Jul 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i could see them doing it at the deadline, similar to the mccabe deal. Especially since due to our D’s age they will start tiring a bit at the end of the season so it always helps to bring in some fresh blood to eat some minutes
That’s a strong possibility. By Jan/Feb, you’ve seen what you’ve got, and you know how any of those in WhalePackLand are progressing (and some may have had a couple of call-ups).
If you’ve got a good season going, and think you need that “extra piece”, you trade for it them, knowing what you’re giving up going the other way.
I could see it happening, if they believe they’ve got a strong playoff team.
Since this is a Defense topic i figured id put this here, sorry to go off topic:
“The Rangers still have to sign Brandon Dubinsky(notes) and Ryan Callahan(notes) (both will be due good-sized raises over the combined $3.15 million cap hit they caused last year) and flesh out a terribly underwhelming defensive corps.”
from the latest yahoo! post…..the end of that quote made me laugh.
Ha..it’d be nice if they could add too. Dubi/Cally made $4.15 combined last year.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 8, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy, it seems Yahoo agrees with me. Maybe I should take a different stance, I don’t want to be associated with them hahaha.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Your point is much better, the way they stated it makes it seem like we have a bottom of the league defense, as if we need to blow it up and rebuild or something. Whereas you just stated what we need to polish off our defense.
I dont think a single writer on yahoo is even a little bit of a Ranger fan, hell last year “puck daddy” (damn devil lover) himself directly insulted our lovely BSB and us posters.
Good job on the write-up. I hated Eminger when he started here but when he found his physical game then he played very well. I say sign him as he knows the system already and pair him with Erixon who can concentrate on the offensive side. Put MDZ in Hartford until he’s really ready but he can serve as the 7th D for the time being.
Eminger definitely showed he could be a good defensemen, but he couldn’t do it consistently. Personally, I liked him. Unfortunately, he couldn’t keep his game up. To be honest, I wouldn’t mind seeing him back, but only if the conditions and money are right.
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by HeartOfARanger on Jul 8, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What about this.........
The caps need to shed payroll to sign Semin. Any chance we put together a package of prospects and picks, a few cheap bodies for Greene? I’ve been reading some things lately where they might look to move him to free up money. not sure if they actually wound.
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for what its worth ...
Average age of defenseman 1980 Edmonton Oilers = 23.5
Average age of defenseman 1980 NY islanders = 25.1
Based on the talent in the pipe, as well as the Rangers defensive system makes the need for an old fart overated. We have 4 guys that will play for sure next season – Staal, Giaradi, McD and Sauer. All we need is 2 of MDZ, VAL, MCI, or ERIX to show they can play. No need to complicate it any more than that.
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