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Rangers Analysis: Making Richards Captain Would Be A Mistake

Ryan Callahan is the favorite to take over the captaincy from recently bought out Chris Drury, and he should take over the captaincy from Drury. But there is a lingering rumor that newly signed center Brad Richards is a viable option for the "C" because of his past relationship with head coach John Tortorella with the Tampa Bay Lightning

Andrew Gross discusses this at The Record:

Marquee free agent Brad Richards, 31, has been an alternate both with the Lightning (under Rangers coach John Tortorella) and, most recently, with the Stars. With a nine-year, $60 million deal, he’s already expected to be the Rangers’ on-ice leader both as a No. 1 center and power-play quarterback.

Callahan was the presumed successor to Drury once the season ends but after signing a three-year deal, $12.875 million deal to avoid arbitration, he is a short-timer compared to Richards and Staal, who is signed through 2014-15 at $3.975 million per.

Tortorella was asked June 30 – two days before the team signed Richards – about his selection process for the new captain.

"I think those decisions will come about come camp," Tortorella said. "We’ll have our talks, we’ll see. Maybe our team changes even more this summer, along the way."

That last sentence could be interpreted as a vote in Richards’ favor.

 

I've previously stated my thoughts on Richards becoming captain, but to repeat myself, it's ridiculous. And believe me, it has nothing to do with Richards himself. It's just the fact that a player should not become the captain of a storied franchise like the Rangers before playing a single game in the sweater. It's an honor thing - a respect thing. And as far as I'm concerned, that honor belongs to Ryan Callahan, who's been playing for this team and carrying them for many years before Richards was even considered to come here. 

I realize that Mark Messier became the captain of the Rangers is in his first season with the club, but God, the man had five times the reputation as a leader than Richards does now. So to make that comparison is both unfair and irrelevant. 

Callahan knows what it means to be a New York Ranger and he knows what it's like to lead a team with a tremendous amount of pressure from the fan base and the media. Both of those things are something Richards has yet to discover (again, not his fault), and for many reasons, giving Brad the "C" in his first season would be over the top. Not to mention the mixed messages it would send in the locker room. 

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Prediction: Whoever wears the “C”, it will have no effect on the season.

by NTB on Aug 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good luck proving it. (though obviously I agree)

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by George E. Ays on Aug 16, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ my friend. This team fuels itself on heart. And when you take Callahan the true heir to the throne and overlook him thus you create a division in the locker room. I wouldn’t be surprised if even Cally looks at it as a spit in the face. If Tor. or LA got BR, who would be captain?? The same person who should be if he is here. So just because he joined us doesn’t make Callahan expendable and I can absolutely see this having an affect on the season.

by louielounz1 on Aug 16, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Devil’s advocate…if he’s supposed to be a strong enough personality that he’s able to ‘lead the team’ (or insert other ’he’s our captain’ cliche here), how or why would his on-ice production suffer if he doesn’t get the C?

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by George E. Ays on Aug 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm a Zdeno Chara slapshot here, a locker room issue that Richards takes care of the wrong way…etc. I’m not saying Callahan is a baby and will throw a fit if he isn’t given the C. But he will be pissed royally and act as if it doesnt bother him. Why posse him off, for a guy that hasn’t spent more than a day in the blueshirt?

by louielounz1 on Aug 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Again devils advocate: How do you know Callahan cares what letter he wears?

For the record, if it were up to me, I give it to Callahan, I’m just curious why anyone thinks it matters to the level it would affect on-ice production, unless this is a pre-emptive excuse to explain why Cally doesn’t have the 30-50-80 season some expect.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 16, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I dont intend to make an excuse for Cally not getting close to 70 nontheless 80 points (something I wish would happen). I do believe he would care just as much as Derek Jeter cared about becoming the captain. He never said a word about it but owned the responsibility when it arose. Now do I know if he cares…no, but what do you think George? Do you think he cares about being team captain?

by louielounz1 on Aug 16, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No clue. If I had to guess, he’d happily accept the honor, but I don’t think he’s losing sleep at night about it.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 16, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll call and ask him.

by louielounz1 on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so you mean to tell me that Ryan Callahan is actually a descendant of the Drury family?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t nearly as dramatic as that.

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 16, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude...

thanks for covering exactly what i wanted to say in the first post.

I mean, I’m just sick and tired of seeing who should be Captain who should get some A’s…
As long as this team is scoring goals, and winning games I could care less about the letters.
Like i hear people talking about how pissed they’ll be if Cally doesn’t get it, and what…you’re going to hate Brad Richards for it if he was to get it instead? Total nonsense.

Why not just give everyone on the team a C and call it a day?

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by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I second that.

Can everyone stop crying about who should be captain? Who gives a shit.

The captain should be who the coach and players want, NOT the fans.

by GAThingy on Aug 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The captain should be who the coach and players want, NOT the fans.

Exactly. No one on here has any right to say who deserves to be captain, because none of us have been in the room.
Its up to the people in that room. I seriously doubt Torts would make someone captain if it meant that both he and that captain would lose the rest of the room.

by j-red on Aug 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe in choosing the captain, the players should have more say than the coach(es). Whether Torts thinks this way, I do not know, but I kinda doubt it. I believe if the players had the ultimate sway on this question, Cally would wear the C. If it’s the other way around, I would not be surprised to see Mr. Richards as our new captain. I think, however, this would be a mistake (but hopefully not a fatal one)….

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by Stepan the Ice! on Aug 16, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

If Richards get the C

and doesn’t instantly work well with Gaborik, the talks start and you are unnecessarily throwing a guy into the fire. Give the C to Callahan, he knows NY, he knows how to handle it and he knows how to succeed. Richards will be absolutely pivotal this year (as well as the remainder of his tenure here) so why not let him acclimate with as little added stress as possible? If he really needs to be appeased with a letter, give him an A. I see more harm than good with Richards wearing the C.

by Huey Lewis on Aug 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Love your work.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in ‘83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 16, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

In ‘87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is “Hip to be Square”, a song so catchy, most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it’s also a personal statement about the band itself.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 16, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

All that and you can listen to the sultry sounds of Joe Montana and the SF 49ers singing back up at the end of the song.

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by Broheem NJ on Aug 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...

was about to start posting pictures and video, the whole deal.
looks like MFBS has got me covered though.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Christie, don’t just stare at it. Eat it.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 16, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

umm...

I have to return some video tapes.

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by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome. I love each and every one of you, and I am so happy to be stuck with you.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As great an album as Sports was, Fore topped it, IMO

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avery for Captain

He obviously has no problem confronting authority figures.

by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Aug 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

With Avery the C can take on a whole different meaning.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you see the MSG close-ups of him talking to the officials?

by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Aug 16, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be interesting

I think the guy in charge of bleeping out curse words would need a raise!

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by Brandon C. on Aug 17, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

My prediction:

The Rangers go into the season Captain-less, Tortorella waits to see how it plays out, and then names a Captain prior to the Winter Classic.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

what's the point?

Callahan has clearly earned the honor

by Town on Aug 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say it would happen, I said it was my prediction…..that, and pain.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree....Cally for President 2012!!!!!

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by earthworm on Aug 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would make a good storyline for 24 /7.

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by nathansfamous on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cally gets the C and I don’t see why it’s even an issue. BR will do whatever anyway. Making BR the C would be a slap in the face to all the core players who have been told how important they are to the success of the team.

by Richter1994 on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

“knows what it means to be a New York Ranger” is meaningless Yankees-esque self-aggrandizement. Callahan should be captain because he’s been leading this group of players by example for a couple of years now and that makes him a good choice to lead them in an official capacity as well.

by JoshNY on Aug 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean you wouldn’t want to hear (in Bob Shepard voice), #19, the cent-uh, Brad Rich-ahds.

Relax, I’m on your side of NY baseball loyalties.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who do we want as the captain for the long run? Who is better suited to be captain?
Lets say we give Callahan the C but we want Richards to be captain in the long run and Callahan stays with the rangers for 9 more years.. then we have to strip Callahan of his C and give it to Richards. That would be a kick in Callahans jewels IMO.

Callahan could of course wear the C for 9 years but the question is really who is better suited to wear the C for at least 9 years? Both could do it but my guess is that Richards is better suited. Though i would rather give it to Callahan this season.

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by SweNYRfan on Aug 16, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I worry giving Richards the C will add undue pressure

Richards will be under intense scrutiny this season and will be looked to as a savior. This is a tough role for anyone to swallow, except maybe for Mess, so adding the C is just another weight to bear. Let the guy have one responsibility this year, which is to improve the Rangers offense.

Callahan is a proven leader who does everything and is a great role model for other players. Plus, he does not need to be the best player on the team and is better situated to handle the responsibility and burden.

Not everyone can handle the C (eg, Leetch) in addition to the pressures of the NY microscope. I say dont give him a letter at all, Staal and Dubi should have the As, and let him acclimate to NY.

by truebluesince75 on Aug 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Captaillahan. Not the most eloquent of nicknames to appear on here, but you get the point. I think the media putting so much focus on “who will be the next captain” is creating the situation in itself.. I like to think the organization knows that giving Richard a letter before he’s made an appearance is contradictory to Torts’ methodology… You have to earn everything with him. I like to think that Callahan has been earning that C since he debuted in a blueshirt. It’s probably because it’s midsummer and we’re all bored with nothing better to talk about, but I feel that so much speculation on the captaincy is not helping the rangers’ organization.

by Free2beljg on Aug 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

It will be Callahan...

Callahan already has the fan vote and popularity. Although we love ‘Stache (Dubi), Cally is the guy we all look at as the team’s next leader.

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by Danz10 on Aug 16, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be a mistake

To sew the “C” on Richards’ sweater before he even gets a chance to pull it over his head before he steps out onto the ice for his first game as a Ranger. I can’t imagine the kind of pressure he is already feeling; just signed a huge contract to play in the biggest, most important city in the world, on an original six team, etc. Making him captain would immediately draw comparisons to Mark Messier… which is like trying to be the next Hercules or Zeus.

The best thing the club could do is give Richards the “A” because he is a veteran and a leader. He also has a great reputation around the league for being an honest player and it would be a bonus if he was one of the players on the team to go take some shop with the refs after a few missed or questionable calls (as if that would make a difference, we aren’t wearing Canadiens jerseys). Like Nick said, this is an honor that Ryan Callahan has earned with every shift he has been a Ranger. The guy plays for the name on the front of his jersey and has done stepped up with big play after big play, especially when it comes to killing penalties, giving up his body, and hustle.

Great write up Nick.

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by Dig Deep on Aug 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll be very disappointed if Callahan isn’t wearing the C this year. He deserves it in every way. He fuels the energy of this team, and his heart is bigger than Manhattan. The guy threw his body in front of a Chara slapshot for pete’s sake..

Personally I don’t think Richards should have a letter initially. I won’t be mad if he gets an A, but I think Duby and Staal are better candidates. It just seems strange to me to give a leadership position to somebody who’s never played on the team before. And as Dig pointed out above me, do we really need to give more pressure to a guy who just signed a gigantic contract to play in NY?

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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Aug 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Bring Wade Redden back and make him the captain
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by admichla on Aug 16, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Done! Redden is misunderstood, it’s time he is honored for his contributions

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cally For Captain?

If you look at him on the ice yes he should be captain. Off the ice remains to be seen. His interviews are very cookie cutter if you ask me, but if he has the locker room behind his back then yes, Captain Cally it is. I have to say I always liked Dubi for the job but Callahan is definitely the front runner.

Yeah I'm hopeful for Richards and Gaborik to work out... I mean how many FA signings does it take to hit the jackpot?

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Aug 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I would rather our captain be more effective at relaying the coaches message to the team than relaying the team’s message to the media.

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe 90%+ of all NHL hockey player interviews are pretty cookie cutter. (Drives me nuts).

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by Stepan the Ice! on Aug 16, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...

unless you’re Sean Avery

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by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that people are making too big a deal out of this. Callahan is the fan favorite, and i want him to be the captain, eventually. I still think he has a ways to go before he gets there.

by Joe Cheech on Aug 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Being the captain is much much more than being the team’s heart and soul and team spokesperson. Not only do you have to be a leader, which Cally is, but you have to be THE leader, meaning you have to be the alpha dog, the one that no one in the locker room talks back to. The one that can diffuse an internal riff, the one that can tell the media when they are going over the line, the one that everyone in that locker room turns to when you are down 3 games to 2, and are trailing by 2 goals after 2 in game 6. And when they look at you, you have to look them back and make them believe in themselves.

You also need to be able to handle the pressure when your team is on a 6 game winless streak, and you haven’t scored a point in any of those games and some one shoves a microphone in your face and asks you when you are gonna turn a corner. You need to be able to answer that question in a way that makes the rest of the team respond.

Sorry, I don’t think Callahan is there yet. You need earn that.

by Joe Cheech on Aug 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Cap'n also

is the team spokesman and the coaches mouthpiece on the ice.

Not one person in the organization cares what any of us, or the media, thinks about this decision. What matters is who Tort’s feels is a better spokesman both on and off the ice, and who can command the respect of the players. I’d be shocked if he cared if Cally was going to throw a hissy fit over this.

Taking personal feelings and fan favorites out of this discussion, since it means ZERO, BR is probably the right choice, although I agree with Jim that he needs a few games to prove it. Cally has all the qualities and would too be a good pick had he been a MAJOR part of this team winning something, anything, like a singular playoff series. It makes no difference to me one way or the other so long as they win.

by NYdemo on Aug 17, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that Callahan's deal is for three years should have zero impact on the decision.

Worst case scenario, Cally signs somewhere else after his deal is up, and then you…..make someone else captain! Not rocket science. There will be plenty of good candidates.

I have a feeling Richards, as a newcomer and a good guy who wants to get off on the right footing without unnecessary additional pressure, will push for Callahan to get the C.

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by Joe1969 on Aug 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, so then who do we make Captain in three years?

Discuss….

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK…In seven years J.T. Miller will be the best captain the Rangers have EVER seen!

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by Stepan the Ice! on Aug 16, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mr. Messier may have something to say about that, lol.

by Richter1994 on Aug 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what about Tyler Seguin, who we will have signed as a free agent by then?

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

used to be he would have had to be over 35 years of age. with the new outlook on things he may come sooner, lol.

by Richter1994 on Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think either Jared Boll or Ladd should be here by then, so…

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Dancing Larry?

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by Joe1969 on Aug 16, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Only on Blueshirt Banter

Does a thread about making Richards Captain (or not) turn into a Huey Lewis discussion, which turns into an American Psycho discussion.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL!

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, and for a while all the added ice girl picks made it better than even that lol.

by louielounz1 on Aug 16, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah until Fortunato came along and made the women put their clothes on.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol damn him.

by louielounz1 on Aug 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I honestly think the team should just vote on it.

if it were up to me I’d give Cally the C, Richards the A, and have Dubi and Staal alternate the other A home and away.

I feel that with Richards coming in as our savior, first line center, powerplay quarterback, and responsible for Gaborik’s success as well, that’s enough responsibility.

If shit doesn’t work out he could get thrown into the fire. I think its better to give the C to Cally. He has been here, he knows NY, the fans love him more than anything.

But thats just my opinion.

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by Moshe52792 on Aug 16, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The Quote By Torts

Ok saying that quote by Torts is a vote in Richards favor is like interpreting Katzenbach’s quote on Oswald that the government killed JFK or had something to do with it. It’s the middle of august. Let’s worry about fantasy land trades, and leave reality until training camp starts or even traverse city.

Yeah I'm hopeful for Richards and Gaborik to work out... I mean how many FA signings does it take to hit the jackpot?

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Aug 16, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, if you step back and look at it, giving Richards the “C” would make more sense. Would I give it to him? Hell no but it would be the smarter move.

But I think Callahan deserves it and will get it.

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by NYRangerFan718 on Aug 17, 2011 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

+1 for Cally supporters, and I worked for a Capt. Callahan, it just sounds right.

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by nathansfamous on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Are we really concerned about the "C" putting too much pressure on RICHARDS?

Take at look at all the factors.

Richards is a guy who’s never had a problem producing, has a Stanley Cup ring, a Conn Smythe Trophy, and held a leadership roll on winning teams before.As far as the “pressure” of NY goes, Richards didn’t come her just for the money, he turned down more cash to play here. He knows what’s he getting into, and if he takes the “C” he does it knowing the expectations.

Callahan is a guy who DOESN’T need the stress of leadership taking away from him concentrating his game. Cally needs to worry about notching more then 50 points in a season more then he needs to worry about other people’s game. He got his raise, now he needs to produce accordingly. Let him keep his “A”, but don’t force the “C” on him.

Finally, giving the “C” to Richards sends an even more important message to this team, that it takes more then anything we’ve seen from them to be competitive in this league. We coddle the young “homegrown” guys, and let them know we’re committed to them, but they also need to know that unless they elevate their games, their not going anywhere. These young players have gained their experience, and taken leadership roles on a team that’s accomplished nothing. The last time we won a playoff series, Jagr was on the ice. As a whole, seasons, and even games, have been full of inconsistent play from individual players and the team as a whole. A leader from outside, who has won before, gives a chance to tweak our preperation and approach to the season and hopefully move beyond the problems we’ve had.

Cally has plenty of years in front of him to wear the “C”, now is not the time though.

by BuckarooClub on Aug 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s a really good argument.. Hmm..

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by Moshe52792 on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And another… well said.

by Hoggo on Aug 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve previously stated my thoughts on Richards becoming captain, but to repeat myself, it’s ridiculous. And believe me, it has nothing to do with Richards himself. It’s just the fact that a player should not become the captain of a storied franchise like the Rangers before playing a single game in the sweater. It’s an honor thing – a respect thing. And as far as I’m concerned, that honor belongs to Ryan Callahan, who’s been playing for this team and carrying them for many years before Richards was even considered to come here.

Thank you, and completely agree with this whole post. Rec’d.

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by Brandon C. on Aug 17, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Some very good points for both sides, for sure :)

Of all the threads I’ve read about this question on FB/Blogs/Yahoo/BB/etc. these posts seem the most well-thought out, by far.

My preference has always been Cally, and still is, but some very good points have been made here as to why either a) it doesn’t nor shouldn’t matter if these 2 guys really are both true leaders deep-down or b) BR might deserve the “C”.

The thing I find most curious is, if BR’s so deserving of it in NYC, the supposed media-pressure-packed, fan-scrutinizing capital of the world/league, why the F*** did he not at least wear the “C” in either TB, where he even played for his supposed bud, JT, and actually won the damn Cup/CS & not even later in Dallas?? What does that tell you?

Now, u could still argue that Cally/Dubi/Staal/etc. are much younger and inexperienced vs. BR’s teammates in those cities, but still. And again, to Nicks’ point about Mess coming in with the “C”, Mark was not only a feared, well-respected, commanding, 5-time SC and CS-winning player coming in, but he also actually WORE the “C” during his last Cup in ‘90 after Gretz was shipped to LA. The bottom line is BR has never worn a “C” with ANY team prior, so how is it he’s up for so much consideration now, on top of all the other expectations already heaped on him during his 1st season-to-be in NYC, as was raised earlier? I mean just b/c he signed such a lucrative deal, does that make him more worthy? Look at Gabby. He’s got a star-powered contract and albeit only 1 stellar season of 2 in NY, but he’s NEVER mentioned as a candidate for an “A” or the “C”. I’m certainly not saying MG should have a letter. I’m just saying that $$/yrs or even a single championship/MVP year with the same coach but with 18 completely different players on a Sun-belt team a thousand miles from here does not automatically translate into true leadership both on and off the ice @ MSG, that’s all.

Not only do I still think Cally deserves it, but I think that it would not only NOT weigh heavily on him like it did w/Leetch, but I think it would conversely help propel him even more to the “next level” knowing that not only do his teammates and the fans think he is worthy, but that the coaching staff – the same ones that openly and repeatedly characterized Cally as THE “identity” player for this team both now and in the future – AND Ranger management think that much of him, too. :)

Plus, if they give it to Cally now, and it doesn’t work out for whatever reason (i.e. his production slips, he leaves as a FA, too many injuries, etc.) then u can STILL give it to BR, who, at that point, will have spent only 3 years of his 9 year deal in NYC and hopefully, will have proven himself truly worthy of the honor. On the other hand, if Cally feels just the least bit slighted, u can bet that the issue will be raised when his next FA negotiations come around. And he just may feel he’d be more “appreciated”, heaven forbid, elsewhere. Holy crap! I sure as hell hope not. :(

by mgweissman on Aug 18, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The only problem is..

If Cally gets the C you can’t really take it away from him. It would be saying “hey, you’re not who we thought you were”.

If we gave it to BR, we could always give it to Cally as a “passing of the torch” and it wouldn’t be an issue.

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by Moshe52792 on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm....

Good point. Hadn’t though of that. I still prefer Cally, of course, but that is a very reasonable alternative. :)

by mgweissman on Aug 18, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Callahan!!!

Ryan Callahan IS the New York Rangers. Plain and simple. He deserves the C for his work ethic and what he means to the team. Having the C will not put any more pressure on him because he knows all he has to do is to continue to play the way he does. That would be why he earned the C in the first place. He doesn’t need to step it up, he is already a leader without the C.
I thought they would have given him a few more years on his contract and that they let it go on too long. If Callahan keeps playing the way he does, he will retire a Ranger. Besides, I can’t really picture him in another sweater. Of course if the front office wants to trade him to the Pens, I might be able to smudge my glasses enough to see him in the sweater. :)
Curses on playing against him for at least the next 3 years!

by Burgh13 on Aug 18, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting take....

Ur a Pens fan I take it. Tx for actually posting a reasonable and well thought out, non-bashing comment on this board. Very much appreciated. :)

Unfortunately, after watching Mess, Leetch, Gravy, Eddie, Park, Ratelle, Middleton, etc., etc. shipped elsewhere over the years, I have soured on the possibility of ANYONE retiring as a Ranger until it actually happens. Including Cally. And Hank! :(

by mgweissman on Aug 19, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Ouch. I very much see your point there. Callahan says Rangers to me, I hope the front office sees it that way as well. There is always a first?
Bash on someone else’s board? Nope, not me. I’m not known for much thinking either….
I like hockey and respect the other teams even if they are rivals because they play the game.
The Rangers did a good job with their offseason pickups and with keeping current players.
They are going to be good this year and I look forward to the Pen/Ranger games.

I just would like the C on Callahan, I think he has earned it with the fans and the team. If your front office doesn’t see it, they can kiss a baboon’s buttocks.

Good lucand good games!

by Burgh13 on Aug 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!! :)

Man, oh man, what a great post! Keep ’em coming, Burgh! :)

by mgweissman on Aug 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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