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New York Rangers Prospects: Is Tim Erixon The Rangers Top Prospect?

The Hockey News Magazine released their top-10 New York Rangers prospects a few days ago, and I thought some of the selections would be interesting to talk about here. 

The top selection might surprise you however. The Hockey News chose Tim Erixon as the best player within the Rangers' system right now, although the organization is hopeful he won't be a prospect much longer. 

While it might be surprising to see his name above Chris Kreider and Christian Thomas, it does make some sense. Erixon was the top defensive prospect in the Calgary Flames system before he was traded, and is largely considered to be NHL-ready thanks to his extensive SEL experience. 

Many expect Erixon to make the team out of camp, especially since the organization is so high on him. Erixon played big minutes in the SEL this year, and thrived in both the regular season and the playoffs. Consitering Erixon was a 19-year-old kid playing amongst men last year, that's a tremendous accomplishment. 

But is it enough to make Erixon the best prospect in the Rangers' system? Join me after the jump for the others. 

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Coming in second is Kreider, which shouldn't be much of a surprise. There is a level of disappointment surrounding Kreider when the former first-round pick choosing to spend a third year at Boston College. But Gordie Clark, Director of Player Personnel for the New York Rangers, told Blueshirt Banter in an exclusive interview that Kreirder's developmental path is still going as planned. 

"The measuring stick we talked about earlier with the World Juniors, which has been played for the last few years up in Buffalo in front of NHL-sized crowds in an NHL-sized rink is that it's the next group of guys who are coming into the NHL for all NHL teams," he said. "And that, technically, is more of a measuring stick, and Chris went in and he impacted two World Juniors in a row. He played in five major tournaments that year, four in college, and he added a medal in Buffalo with the US team and the Beanpot and then played more of a role on the men's team as a 19-year-old kid."     

Third on the list is Dylan McIlrath, which might surprise those of you who are only looking at his offense numbers as a gauge to how his development is going. The magazine previewed him by saying: 

Physical player with a good point shot. Skating needs work. 

The skating concerns were also addressed by Clark in the interview. 

"He's a very mobile player," he said. "I have been reading articles questioning his mobility and I can't understand why. He's always been a very good skater for a big man, he's a very natural skater and he's very mobile. I don't understand why people are only saying 'oh, now he is a better skater,' because he always was. That's one of the things we loved about him."    

Thomas comes in at number four, which shouldn't surprise anyone. The quick forward with a "wow" shot truly opened eyes with a 54-goal performance in the OHL last season. Thomas is going to get a long, hard look in camp, but is still expected to be a dark-horse to make the team this year.  

This year's first-round pick, J.T. Miller, comes in at number five. Miller had an absolutely fantastic showing at the USA Developmental Camp this summer. Both Miller and Thomas are expected to make their respective World Junior team's for this upcoming tournament. 

Steven Fogarty, this year's third-round selection, is the first real surprise of the list coming in at number six. Fogarty, who was taken with the draft pick received from the Evgeny Grachev trade, was a player who fell enough for the Rangers to take him in the third round; something the organization was very excited about. although he hasn't proven himself at the next level yet, he's committed to playing for the University of Notre Dame next season. 

Michael St. Croix is the seventh prospect on the list. St. Croix represents a high risk, high reward pick better than anyone else within the Rangers farm system. St. Croix put up good offensive numbers in the OHL (75 points in 68 OHL games) but only scored a goal in four playoff appearances. If St. Croix puts his game together (his defensive game needs work and everyone agrees last year was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his offensive game) he might be the steal of the draft.

And finally to round everything out: Dale Weise comes in at number eight, Jesper Fasth come in at number nine and Ryan Bourque finishes the top-10. 

Of the three, Fasth has shown the most improvement, opening eyes with his fantastic second-half play last season. Bourque has always been tabbed as an offensive player, but some scouts worry if his game will translate to the NHL. 

Regardless, thoughts on this list guys?

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We have a prospect named Tim Thomas? :p

by Hunter Ivey on Aug 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t know what’s wrong with me

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

In terms of NHL readiness and skill, I would agree Erixon right now is on top of the list of our prospects. I have really high hopes for the kid to come in and make an impact.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about George

But I don’t count MDZ as a “prospect” since he’s played in over 100 NHL games. I also don’t think the magazine included him as a prospect either.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 26, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right…ignoring what other people consider prospects…I’m going with “anyone that has played half an NHL season is ineligible.” McDonagh is not a prospect, and certainly neither is MDZ.

If we were doing the Copper and Blue top 25 under 25 list, I’d have more to think about with MDZ/Erixon. I think I still may end up with Erixon ahead, he’s allegedly much better defensively (Erixon’s was allegedly the best defensive d-man in the SEL last year). I’m also not all that enamored with defensemen that don’t play defense.

 It’s nice to get the offense from the back line, but I’d rather a bunch of 20-30 point guys like Staal/Girardi (and maybe McDonagh/Erixon down the line) than a guy like MDZ that’ll give you 40-50 and give back a bunch against lesser comp.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lists are more personal preference anyway

How does one measure a prospect against one and other to begin with? \
No offense to anyone but most of the time these lists are made up based on personal preferences, how recently a prospect was drafted and name power.

People have Ryan Bourque at the bottom of prospect lists but how many people can actually say what Bourque’s role was with the Quebec Remparts last year?

Yes it does impact where he should be seen as a prospect because what he brings to a team has to be more than just numbers.

Steven Forgarty ahead of Michael St. Croix is another example of how these lists are unbalanced. St. Croix played in the WHL while Fogarty was playing HS hockey and there is a giant difference in level of competition.

St. Croix was playing against guys 19-20 as well as being NHL draft picks on a nightly basis in the WHL. Fogarty was playing against HS kids
so how do you compare the duo? (BTW those who know St. Croix expect him to break out to at least 40 goals and 80-90 points)

JT Miller was on a few occasions sent to the press box last year does anyone know why? And yes a strong case can be made as to including the reason why in any ranking.

Does anyone think that 2 Ranger prospects this year playing for Mike Pelino is any coincidence? Or did Glen Sather ask one of his former assistants for a couple of favors?

Shouldn’t we consider that into account when ranking prospects?

Just saying it is more than numbers

by theprospectpark on Aug 27, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is really a matter of opinion, but I would say Tim Erixon is our number 1 prospect at this point.

My top 10 would have to be:
Tim Erixon
Chris Kreider
Christian Thomas
Dylan McIlrath
JT Miller
Jesper Fasth
Steve Fogarty
Ryan Bourque
St. Croix
Lindberg

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

You’d be surprised but Lindberg should be higher. I really think he makes it to the NHL one day. He’s ahead of Jesper Fasth who is a complete project player. And where in the world is Carl Hagelin?

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Aug 26, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot Hagelin. Damn.
I thought about putting Lindberg higher, because he has more potential to permanently fill a role on the Rangers, being projected as a fourth liner who takes faceoffs. But for who they are, at this point in their development, Fasth is a better player. I made Fasth a reach not only because of his international experience, which was more than impressive at the most recent WJC, but because his potential is as high as any prospect we have with the exception of Thomas and MAYBE Kreider. In addition to that, I have never seen Lindberg play, so I didn’t want to give him the nod above players who I have seen play in case I mislead people.

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 26, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erixon, Thomas, Keider, McIlrath, Hagelin, Fasth, Miller, Yogan, Fogarty, McColgan.

by Richter1994 on Aug 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

yogan?

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by joereiter on Aug 26, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup. you’ll find out, lol.

by Richter1994 on Aug 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he is also a good prospect. He was injured for most of last season, so it is thought that he is going to play an overage year for the Petersborough Petes after being traded…. He can still make the Hartford squad, which I think would be beneficial to him for a number of reasons, but a lost year of development might be enough incentive for management to send him back to the OHL.

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 26, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yogan was just traded from Ftorek’s defensive styled team to Peterborough I believe that will better showcase Yogan’s skills. He will probably go to Hartford after the junior season as Joe correctly explained yesterday.

by Richter1994 on Aug 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am still high on Yogan, but he belongs nowhere near a top 10 list until he proves himself this year.

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by Jonathan. on Aug 26, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he will on his new team.

by Richter1994 on Aug 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that

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by joereiter on Aug 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already talk of the steal of the draft? Before the next season even starts? Understand it was not meant as a prediction or anything like that, but in all honesty right now all 30 teams think they have the steal of the draft

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

and their fans do as well

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was actually from a few people as well

including Russ Cohen. A couple of hockey scouts also said they were surprised he fell so far. He’s one to keep an eye on for sure, but yes.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read similar shock about McClogan lasting as long as he did. You don’t typically find point per game CHL players in the 4th/5th round.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 26, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

McColgan fell for the same reasons (mostly) Callahan fell.

Little man playing a big mans game. McColgan is a little spark plug of a player with some seriously slick offense. Scouts worry about his long-term game (and I agree with them). With that said, he was a steal where he was picked. I had him pegged as an early 3rd round pick.

If McColgan can develop like Callahan did, the Rangers will have completely lucked out. As of now, he’s still a serious long shot. But he’s certainly a better prospect than someone like, say, Nigel Dawes ever was. His skating alone vaults him above.

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by Jonathan. on Aug 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inconsisent

McColgan was simply was too inconsistent last season to warrant being drafted any higher

by theprospectpark on Aug 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dale Weise?

wow…..not sure I can add more to this comment

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by feslenraster on Aug 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think 2 is high for Kreider

Kreider has had one had stretch of 3 months that included the 2010 WJC’s. I think Gordie is using a bit of turd polish on this years WJC’s. Kreider salvaged his stat line with 2 goals in the consolation game and secondary assists, but I don’t think he really showed anything. Kreider has to step up.

by BuckarooClub on Aug 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think that's totally fair

His college numbers could be better, but I would warn you against putting too much stock into them.

As for his WJC performance, it wasn’t just Gordie Clark who was impressed with his game. He was praised by many sources.

Not saying he can’t step up, of course he can, but Clark and the team do think he’s ready to make the jump to the pros.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 26, 2011 4:35 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

If you ran the team, would you feel confident putting him in a Rangers jersey at the start of the season, or let him get a year in the AHL? (I’d do the latter.)

by Hoggo on Aug 27, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd go as far as saying he might not even be ready for the AHL

Not the BC is helping him progress though. The CHL would do Kreider wonders. Jerry D’Amigo, another 2010 WJC standout, got sent back to his junior team FROM the AHL by Toronto last season. At every level the talent pool gets deeper, and deeper. When you’re 3 or 4 steps from the NHL you should be pretty dominant if you are even going to be average in the NHL.

by BuckarooClub on Aug 27, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

A year in the AHL would help quite a bit

trust me, the kid is ready for the AHL, or at least ready to season his game in the AHL. Again, BC plays a VERY team oriented game, you’re not going to see too many guys blowing their stats out of the water.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the 2 years he’s been there, I’m comfortable saying HE is a distant 3rd, depth wise to WCHA and CCHA. If Kreider had NHL ready game, he’d eat them up. Just getting to the AHL, he’s gonna have eyes of never will be’s there on him, if he can hang, I’d be suprised. If he wants to play pro, he leave BC now, and plays jrs. Best part is, he was such a late bloomer, pretty sure he was never drafted into CHL, and Rangers can put him where they want

by BuckarooClub on Aug 27, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Praise is easier to get then wins

If Kreider was anywhere close to being NHL ready, he’d have eaten that tourney up. He didn’t dominate, he produce, he didn’t stand that tall in the crowd. The kid needs to do more, and I also think he needs to show that he can use his one asset (speed) in an NHL style game.

by BuckarooClub on Aug 27, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

HE is a distant 3rd?

Now that is comedy folks

3 out of the last 4 NCAA Champions were from the HE including a 5-0 buttkicking by a Kreider led BC over a Stepan and McDonagh led Wisconsin.

And FYI Kreider was a draft pick of the Saint John Sea Dogs of the QMJHL in 2008. Even if he had not been drafted the Rangers would not be able to place him wherever they wish.

I for one thought Kreider made the right choice in returning to BC especially after suffering that badly broken jaw.

by theprospectpark on Aug 28, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

HE has BU and BC getting guys to play their systems, and it can get positive results at the NCAA’s. It’s like Tim Tebow – great for college, but doesn’t really translate to the pro game.

Those two schools don’t say anything for the depth of the conference though, and the schedule you have to play all season. HE doesn’t grab the level of players the WCHA and CCHA do. The WCHA is heads and tails above the rest of NCAA pool, and I think the individual talent on CCHA is greater then that of the HE schools, and the NHL product coming out of each conference supports that.

by BuckarooClub on Aug 28, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

the “consolation game” was the difference between a medal and not. Kreider spoke up after the loss to Canada about the need for the team to man up for the bronze medal game and then put his goals where his mouth was in dominating that game.

Plus, he deserved another assist in the tournament that the scorer missed.

He didn’t dominate the tournament, but the talent in the WJC is such that almost no one does, even if they are destined to be NHL stars.

by LJR on Aug 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

Why exactly did the Flames trade him? Seems like he’s destined for big things

by Guess Who's Back? on Aug 27, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

He refused to sign with them.

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by The Blue Seats on Aug 27, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

He pulled an Eric Lindros and refused to sign with the team that drafted him. Any reason why he didn’t want to play for them?

by Guess Who's Back? on Aug 27, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because their team isn’t very good?

Their window has seemingly closed. They seem to be in the same state that the Rangers were in right before Jagr left. Except Kiprusoff is older than Lundqvist was at that point. And before the fans found out that Drury and Gomez weren’t going to cut it.

by Hoggo on Aug 27, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was more along the lines that

he didn’t know if the team would have a spot for him to make the team with the defensive corps the way they were. So he joined the Rangers because we have room.

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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 27, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe's list

Works for me. Nice write-up, with the exception of the Thomas thing. I’m ready to see these prospects crack this team.

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