Blueshirt Banter Talks To Gordie Clark: State Of The Defense Edition
Once again, I want to give a tremendous thanks to the New York Rangers organization and their PR Department (especially John Rosasco) who helped me interview Gordie Clark about the upcoming Traverse City tournament and about some of the prospects within the Rangers organization. I would also like to thank Gordie, who gave a fantastic interview and took a significant amount of time out of his day to answer all of my questions.
Another topic breached in my 30-minute interview with Clark was the situation with the highly touted Rangers' defense. Clark goes into detail about some of the young guns, what they bring to the table and more.
Join me after the jump for that story:
The New York Rangers have grown a remarkable defensive corps the past few seasons, using both the draft and two jaw-dropping trades to get it done.
Both Ryan McDonagh (acquired from the Scott Gomez trade) and Tim Erixon (acquired this offseason for essentially two second round draft picks) were first-round selections of other teams. McDonagh was selected 12th overall by the Montreal Canadiens in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft while Erixon was selected by the Calgary Flames 23rd overall in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft.
Then add in both Michael Del Zotto (20th overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft) and Dylan McIlrath (10th overall in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft) and you have four defenseman with seemingly unlimited potential added in just four years. That's not even including guys like Mike Sauer, Marc Staal and Dan Girardi; who were all added earlier.
Gordie Clark, Director of Player Personnel for the New york Rangers, is obviously ecstatic the Rangers have guys like McDonagh, Del Zotto, McIlrath and Erixon (not even including the others). Clark talked about how interesting it is that the Rangers were able to get Erixon via trade, since the organization almost drafted him in the first place.
"Tim Erixon is, in fact we have told this to many people, the guy we would have selected [in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft] if we had wanted a defenseman," he said. "So it's interesting that we're very luck to have both him and Chris Kreider. It was a tough decision to make, but we went with the forward because at that time we already had Ryan McDonagh, the trade had already been made. And we had Michael Del Zotto coming too so we figured 'let's get a forward' at that particular time."
Clark talked about what all four guys bring to the table for the team.
"If you take those four defenseman, they're all different types of players," he said. "When you think about it, you need all four types of guys on your team. When you look at Del Zotto, he's an offensive type of player, he's a puck mover and a power play type of guy. McDonagh is a shut down guy, his game seems to be more in his own end with the strength and power. Erixon plays similar to McDonagh, where he is more of a shut down guy, but he does it more with his head and his hands and his hockey sense, where McDonagh, who certianly does it with sense, does it with more body contact. And then McIlrath, you have to take care of all this stuff when you're looking for the future, and all these boys are coming into the NHL, Christian Thomas and Kreider and all those guys so you do need a guy who plays the kind of game that McIlrath does."
Erixon is expected to make an offensive impact for the Rangers in the future, but his defense is what caught Clark's eye. McDonagh is someone who might add offense down the road, he was fantastic on the point for Wisconsin, but that part of his game hasn't translated yet.
McIlrath -- who the Rangers drafted because of his size, mobility and physicality -- fills a void the team has had for years. Clark believes McIlrath isn't just a big mean defenseman, but a smart one as well.
"He makes sure that nothing happens to anybody out there, he takes care of his teammates," Clark said. "I've said a million times, we made sure he had the mobility for his size and he ended up being a shut down defender for his team. His fights were all for the right reason, they weren't just 'oh let's go out there and fight,' they were all to protect a teammate or when someone was trying to take advantage of a teammate or himself."
Another interesting thing to note from my conversation with Clark, through all his years as a scout two players stick out in his mind for having a fantastic NHL combine before they were drafted. Both players are now Rangers' property.
"I would say that probably two of the best performances I've ever seen at the NHL combine were by McDonagh and Kreider," Clark said. "Of everyone that was tested they were like men working out against boys."
Clark, like many Rangers fans, just can't wait to see them all play together.
"They're all different ingredients and it will be interesting to see if they're all on the ice at the same time," he said.
The Rangers are hoping that thee of the four (Del Zotto, Erixon and McDonagh) become staples on the blue line this year.
Thoughts on this guys?
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Hopefully this means
Our blueline is on the cusp of becoming Nashville East. Except with enough money to fill out the rest of the team with actual offensive skill.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 30, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Gordie is misremembering.
The Gomez trade did not happen until a few days after Kreider was chosen instead of Erixon.
Let’s hope Clark isn’t becoming senile at a relatively young age of 59. We need him to help us win a cup.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Aug 30, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget,
Clark might have known about the trade BEFORE it became official. Before they went up to the podium Sather and Clark probably knew they had something in the books with Montreal, and went with Kreider.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus with the draft that year in Montreal, there was a lot going on, and I am guessing the Habs front office didn’t want to announce the deal before the Draft.
Or, Gordie’s lost his mind.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Think it may be the second one, if the trade was actually completed at that time it normally only take the media, Mckenzie, Dreger, etc., only a couple hours max to find out about it. Have a hard time believing it was kept quiet for days.
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
The Rangers may have known McDonagh was on his way in, they just didn’t know what else was coming as well with the other two parts of the deal.
You might be right, of course, but I have a feeling the team was aware enough to make the decision to go with Kreider.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the reality is that with or without Mcdonagh going with a forward the year after Del Zotto was not a bad idea, but I really feel like in the couple days in between the draft and when the deal got done a lot could happen and Gordie has to know that
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 31, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That crossed my mind for sure.
Side note: Omar Minaya was on wfan this week and was asked about the August waiver period. He pretty much admitted that he had very little knowledge of the process and that his assistant John Ricco was the guy who knew all the technical stuff.
Point being: sometimes I wonder why I am not running a team yet.
“Technical Stuff”?
LOL!!!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All he knew was
That August was too late to trade 3 future All Stars for about 6 starts of Bartolo Colon.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar Minaya is one of the worst Gm's in NY sports history
No surprise he’s clueless on this issue and a host of others.
Everybody pretty much has an assistant GM that handles the technical stuff. That’s why we hired Jeff Gorton.
by BuckarooClub on Aug 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I see both going to Hartford
I see both not quite ready yet, IMO. Del Zotto may need to finish rehab from the hernia surgery. I’m sure his shot has been impacted by the lack of use of his abs.
Erixon looks like he’s on the come, but not quite so close that he’s cracking the roster immediately. If I had to choose one to play right now, it’d be MDZ…but don’t be surprised if it’s not.
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by Danz10 on Aug 30, 2011 7:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Erixon doesn’t make the big club you can expect to see him in the SEL for another year
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 30, 2011 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree (although, I think then it might leave a bad reflection upon Sather, and say the Flames were right in trading him).
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Flames trading him
Had to do with signing him before his rights expired.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 31, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
but the reviews of the bitter fans in Calgary would say that the front office would be justified IF he doesn’t make the team. You’re right, that the deal was for the purpose of not letting him slip away, and end up back in the draft.
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Eh
Just because he doesn’t make the team doesn’t mean he won’t go to Hartford for a month or two before being recalled like MCD was last year.
All rookies that don't make the team out of camp = busts
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 31, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
no there have been plenty of good players who needed to develop in the minors before making the pros. if erixon doesnt make it i would like to se v-tank on the third pairing.
by tl656 on Aug 31, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Maybe doesn’t show up correctly on mobile/iphone app
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Defenseman
I get the feeling that the Rangers see Erixon as a smaller version of Malik. Since I was never a Malik fan that thought bothers me. I hope he has some ability and guts to use his body to clear the crease or work along the boards.
Who would you say that.. what evidence do you base that statement on? I disagree strongly, but will move to deeply troubled if I hear anyone in the organization make that comparison.
From a value proposition, I don’t think you trade assets like they did for Erixon to get even a young Malik..or two Maliks for that matter. I think the Rangers are hoping the got themselves another Mattias Norstrom or on the high side of hopes a James Patrick.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can I hope he turns out more like Zubov?
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by bleed'n blue on Aug 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i can se erixon being like a mattias ohlund.
by tl656 on Aug 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
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The reason I say that about Erixon is that I’ve read a number of articles about him that talk about him not being very physical but being an excellent poke checker. Gordie even mentions that he’s not of the physical type but more with his head and his hands (another reason I’m thinking poke checker). I haven’t seen any articles that talk about his physical game. Maybe the name Malik was the wrong name but when it comes to a pokechecker he comes to my mind and it’s an ugly thought, I might add.
Staal is a “pokechecker”…..I wouldn’t compare him to Malik
by teknics on Aug 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is very difficult to be a physical defenseman in the sel where the ice size is larger than in the nhl.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Physicality is not a prerequisite for defense.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
What?!!!
Next you are going to tell me that Marc Staal is a good hockey player.
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You know who else is a good poke checker?
Nik Lidstrom and we all know that he’s .awful Anyway the Malik-Erixon comp is really silly.
Defenseman
“Physicality is not a prerequisite for defense”. ..Well it isn’t on the Rangers that’s for sure. And calling Staal a poke checker is a reach IMO. He’ uses his body more than any other Ranger D other than Sauer. If Erixon turns into another Lidstrom that would be great if he’s another Malik type, then not so great.
He will be somewhere between the two…………
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 31, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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