Marc Savard will most likely never play hockey again, says Bruins G.M.
by KingHenrik30 on Aug 31, 2011 10:04 PM EDT
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Agreed.
If Savard never plays again, it will be a loss not only to the Bruins, but the NHL as a whole.
True words.
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Matt Cooke is a scumbag, enough said.
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 1, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
Unfortunate that some common thug may have ended the career of one of the best centers of the last decade, and a hall of fame lock
Take it to the net and keep jamming and jamming until somebody comes on you.
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 1, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hall of fame lock
hall of fame? i always like savard but im sorry, he is FAR from a HOF player…very far
I’d put Savard only a little bit behind Iginla in terms of skill and consistency, and I doubt anyone would question Jag’s spot in the HOF
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 2, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
His numbers aren't bad he's just not good enough
706 total points in 807 career games. Not Bad. But you need over 900 points to really be considered. He didn’t really win a “cup”. There are a lot more people deserving off of the top of my head that should get in well before him. I would say Lindros should get in if Savard gets in.
Just a list of people that are retired or soon to be retired that are pretty much hall of famers.
Jeremy Roenick (eventually)
Pavel Bure
Sergei Fedorov
Joe Sakic
Brendan Shannahan
Chris Chelios
Nicklas Lidstrom
Martin Brodeur
Jaromir Jagr
Daniel Alfredsson
Chris Pronger
Scott Niedermayer
Do you honestly think Marc Savard is better than ANY of the above mentioned players? He’s not. Which is why he will never get into the hall of fame. Plus the hall of fame is very selective with only 2-4 players selected a year.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 2, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Maybe lock is an exaggeration but I’d say he has quite a good shot considering that if he hadn’t had the concussion last year he had at least 200 points left in him. He was only 33 and I would have expected him to contribute at least 40 points for each of the last 5+ seasons of his career
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If you end someone’s career the way that Matt Cooke likely ended Savvy’s career I think you should lose the privilege of playing in the National Hockey League. I thought the very same thing when I saw what Todd Bertuzzi did to Moore back in the day.
Losing Savard hurts the entire league, he was an exciting player that should have his name on the Stanley Cup but because of the reckless and merciless play of Matt Cooke we will likely never see Marc Savard play another NHL game.
Tragic.
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his name is on the cup the Bruins won this year…
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No it ain’t. He didn’t play enough games. Last I checked (with a quick Google search) the Bruins are trying to get it on the cup but I am not sure it is going to happen. I may be wrong about this, but last I heard his name isn’t on the cup because he didn’t play the requisite amount of games.
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don’t the players have a vote on a situation like that? If a player didn’t play the amount of games dont the rest of the players have the option to vote to put him on it? I could have sworn there was a way for that to happen. Also if he was given a day with the cup wouldn’t he have his name on it?
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 2, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
They are petitioning to get it on, like the red wings did for Vladimir Konstantinov the year after he had that limo crash.
by Seth Warshaw on Sep 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He did get put on, but they had to make a special request.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 11, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with many here about considering a Matt Cooke banishment from the league, but I want to make 2 quick points.
1. It would send a message that the NHL is taking it’s new rules very seriously by handing down the ultimate punishment on a dangerous player.
2. You can’t ban him from the game now, just because we now know the (tragic) full extent of the injury. The timing is off to ban him now. League discipline, just like referee penalties, should be awarded by the action, not necessarily by the consequence. Ryan Hollweg walked away from an egregious slash from Chris Simon that should have punched his 1 way ticket out of the league and conversely unintentional knee-on-knees have ended countless players’ seasons.
I think the fairest thing would be to give people like Matt Cooke an ultimatum saying if they cheap shot another player 1 more time, it is his absolute last strike.
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Agreed on both points, but the NHL couldn’t really have justified banning him entirely right after the incident. It’s only now in retrospect that we know how serious it was.
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 1, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree. The league should have a system in place that penalizes players exponentially based on previous infractions. i.e. if you have had a lot of disciplinary actions and suspensions in the past and you do something that would normally get a 5 game suspension you get a 15 game suspension. The guys that get away with this shit (I don’t care what jersey they are wearing) are a cancer to the game.
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I am starting to think Crosby won't be coming back either
I dont have the data to support this but I feel the longer concussion symptoms last, the more likely a secondary concussion will develop. And in Savard’s case, the second concussion was from a pretty routine hit.
I dont care for Crosby, but he is great for the game and I hate to see anyone lose their livelihood, especially at such a young age.
only time will tell.
Crosby’s concussion came about as much from the stupidity of the Penguins’ medical staff, who sent Crosby out to play against the Lightning after the accidental hit by Steckel. Savard’s suffering was due to a cheap shot from the NHL’s biggest dealer in cheapness, Matt Cooke.
Not many fans are asking why Crosby was allowed to suit up and play the next game after being hit by Steckel, maybe they should….
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by greifi griffie on Sep 1, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with our assessment but the cause of a concussion has no relation to its severity, natural history, and so on.
Crosby has had lingering effects for >6 months. This worries me. Savard also has had long-term effects.
Horton, who got rocked during the playoffs, says he is symptom free.
I just feel there is a genetic component to concussion recovery that causes some players to heal slower, and be more prone to subsequent concussions. I use the Lindros’ as data. They both suffered from concussions that took a long time or did not heal, maybe pointing to a genetic component. But this data set is small and basically worthless.
Something tells me that Crosby has a genetic predisposition that hinders concussion healing, whatever it may be. And it will be interesting to see what happens when he gets hit cleanly. Will he be more prone to subsequent concussions?
by truebluesince75 on Sep 1, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He had multiple concussions before turning pro (Crosby) at least that’s what I thought I’d heard
by teknics on Sep 1, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some good points but I don’t think its necessarily a genetic predisposition what could be hindering the recovery is the specific location of the brain trauma. I’m not a doctor, nor a neurosurgeon, nor a clever man even in the most general sense of the word, but I can say pretty confidently that all concussions are different and its most likely the injury itself that makes the difference in recovery times.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 1, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a damn shame
but, Savard has to think of his health…with all the concussion symptoms he is having and being a young man with a family, its better to give the game up then to risk possible further injury.
His Wife?
Cooke said that his wife made him a changed man, and that he had to change the way he approaches the game. So he’s going to help his team with his scoring touch and playmaking abilities? Bearshit.
Don Cherry is right Mario Lemiuex is the biggest hypocrite. He says we have to get rid of headshots from the game and what happened to Crosby is unacceptable. Well you could start by getting rid of the worst headshot artist in the league Matt Cooke.
What was Cooke’s quote when he hit Savard? “I was just trying to finish my check”. F*ck you Cooke.
Also, his play on Mcdonagh could have ended up worse than it did. Luckily he didn’t smash Mcdonaghs face into the glass.
People hate Sean Avery but he has never cheapshot anyone in the league. He’s never even done anything borderline.
How do Pens fans defend Matt Cooke? They say he’s an amazing penalty killer and a vital part to the team. The only thing more sickening is that he wears an A.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 1, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed. Matt Cocke is a scumbag, Avery is not. Can’t compare the two.
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by nathansfamous on Sep 1, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery’s a douche for sure, but not scum. He’s a pest who will irritate the shit out of the other team, but he’s not a reckless p.o.s. who makes a living by injuring players
Take it to the net and keep jamming and jamming until somebody comes on you.
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 1, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Cooke......Matt Cooke...
never heard of him.
Okay, kidding. One thing is for sure, Marc Savard is a good player that really following his second concussion was never really the same. It would probably be best if he just retired, and don’t follow the poor example of say…Eric Lindros.
Seriously though, as much as I don’t like Crosby, this would be an even worse blow if he didn’t come back. The NHL would be set back at least to pre-lockout fandom if he didn’t come back. Not since Gretzky has there been a Gretzky-like media-magnet in the NHL. As much as none of us can stand his whiny ass, the Rangers need him for the opportunity to shine simply because they need the yin (Crosby) to our yang (Richards).
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haha no. The game doesn’t need Crosby. Every roster you look at there is a superstar or a very good player that demands attention. Even without Crosby the Pens still have Malkin and Fluery.
Plus it’s not good to completely build around one player to draw in fans. Look at the PGA Tour and Tiger Woods. The PGA Tour has sort of moved away from Tiger with all this youth that sprang up overnight to take away the focus off him. Do they still draw the same numbers of viewers? Definitely not but they’re going to get through it.
Hockey fans are some of the most loyal fans and will watch no matter who the put on the ice. I think with hockey there is no such thing as a “casual fan”. Sure they want to get new viewers but the viewers they have won’t stop watching if Crosby isn’t on the ice.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 1, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to get this straight, the 3 concussions before the Cooke hit played no role? The Hunwick hit didn’t matter? It was all Cooke? Cooke’s a scumbag, but to believe Cooke is completely responsible for Savard’s career ending is a complete failure of logic.
Cooke basically destroyed him though. That was such a blatant hit he deserves all the crap he gets. I bet if Cooke or Hunwick didn’t both give him a concussion Savard would still be playing today.
It’s not the fact that Cooke probably ultimately ended his career, it’s that he went out of his way to do it. No one hated Lawrence Taylor for ending Joe Theisman’s career. Everyone was just upset that it was unfortunate for Theisman’s career to end the way it did. No one called for LT’s head.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 1, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
On Concussions
Having previous concussions doesn’t make a person more likely to have later concussions. That’s not an argument, it’s the scientific data that we have right now. Concussions affect everyone differently (Crosby out forever, Gaborik played with one for 2 weeks last year before he sat a few out), and Savard is in the camp of people who suffer much worse from a concussion than 95% of other people do.
Guys occasionally get labeled as “concussion-prone” but there is usually a reason that happens. Some guys are like Savard, who can get a bad one and just never quite recover fully. It is, after all, a brain injury. Lindros was a concussion-prone player, and that was in part because he kept getting caught with his head down. If you watch the hit Scott Stevens put on him in the playoffs (I think 97? Can’t remember), it looks like Lindros is trying to stare at the puck so hard it would set on fire. Same with the Kariya hit, Stevens just caught him with his head down.
Hopefully the change in rules will stop the hits to the head and the blind-side hits from becoming. The CHL changed the rules so shoulder pads and elbow pads can only have soft caps, which should help reduce concussions. But the NHL’s a fast, physical game where space for players is limited. Concussions are never going to be eradicated entirely; they’re a reality of a full-contact and high-speed sport.
But yeah, this Savard thing is totally Cooke’s fault. Guy side-steps a hit, Cooke throws out an elbow at his head. Dick move.
Cooke should explain it to Savard's kids....
I think it should be mandatory that Cooke should have to explain to Marc Savard’s kids why Daddy cannot drive them to school because he is having a ‘bad day’. Why Daddy forgets things or blacks out from time to time. Cooke is the lowest form of humanity and should be cast out of the league.
You have got to be kidding me with the following line:
“Biggest Douchebag Asshole in Pro Sports Not Named Michael Vick”
You truly, honestly think Mike Vick is the worst guy in sports? That is beyond dumb…it’s plain stupid and ignorant. You have countless athletes who have been not only been accused of but some convicted of: domestic abuse, drunk driving, drug abuse, etc., but a man who was linked to a dog fighting ring is the worst man in sports. As cruel and ruthless as dog fighting is, last time I checked, it does not involve the endangerment of a HUMAN life.
It’s really sad how people can hear about mass famine or a murder in the news and take it with a shrug, but if there’s animal cruelty, the public becomes outraged. I wouldn’t be surprised if you got more upset watching those sappy Sarah McLachlan commercials as opposed one involving starving children.
I love animals, have two dogs myself, but it really angers me to no end when people not only equate the value of an ANIMAL’s life to that of a HUMAN’s, but sometimes attributes a greater value to it. Mike Vick is not even close to being the worst man in sports.
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by The Blue Seats on Sep 4, 2011 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to restate the facts: Vick was not just “involved” in a dog-fighting ring, he killed dogs with his bare hands….and in at least one instance he was accused of using electrocution to dispatch a dog who performed poorly. Add in the fact that this guy was caught trying to sneak weed onto an airplane—as if he couldn’t wait until the flight was over????—and there’s two major reasons why people think Vick is a dick. Also, animal cruelty is a clear indicator of a cruel and violent personality—shrinks often cite animal cruelty as a precursor for people to move on to other, more savage forms of violence.
Who else would qualify as the worst person in sports? Dany Heatley? Ray Lewis? Because they were involved in the death of other humans? Either way, Vick fits in nicely next to both douches. Punching a wife or girlfriend is just as callous—I wouldn’t disagree….but people who run around killing animals for the sake of convenience or for the sake of saving a few bucks on vet care or pet supplies are not normal people. Vick’s crime was a real crime, and if Plax Burress can do two years for shooting himself in the leg then I say 18 months in prison was not enough punishment for what Vick did.
And yes, I do think Vick is the worst person on the sports landscape today. And it will be great watching him lose again in the playoffs this year….hopefully the Giants hang a crapload of punishment on Vick this year before it’s all over. Karmic payback and all that.
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by greifi griffie on Sep 4, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I would leave Dany Heatley off of the list. Sure his recklessness caused the death of someone but no means was it intentional. Dany could have been killed just as easily. He could have gone to jail for like 10 or 15 years but his apology was sincere enough to the Snyders that they didn’t want him to go to jail and it wasn’t the right move for him so the judge let him off. Sure he put other peoples lives at risk which is completely wrong but he didn’t kill anyone or anything with the intent in the first place.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 4, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
its too bad they allow goons like ---- Cooke
when truly skilled players like Savard struggles. I was always annoyed when the Rangers traded him away. sad to see his career end this way, hopefully his day-day routines remains unaffected.
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