New York Rangers News: Sean Avery Posts Bail, What's Next?
by Joe Fortunato on Aug 5, 2011 1:12 PM EDT
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PrintRecently arrested Sean Avery posted bail according to Andrew Gross. Avery has a court appearance set for September 2nd at 8:30 a.m.
In the wake of Avery's arrest last night, many questions are being asked about his future with the New York Rangers. Obviously this is the first real off-ice incident Avery has been involved in which in require legal action, adding ammunition to his enemies' camps.
Avery's future with the Rangers was already in question this season. Although most people assume he will make the team out of camp, it was widely accepted that his role would be diminished to a fourth-line player who would see around six or seven minutes of ice time a game.
Currently, everything about Avery's future is now brought into question. While putting your hands on a police officer (and taunting them, if the reports are true) is absolutely unacceptable behavior, it's not exactly the type of action that would end someone's NHL career.
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The Rangers brass will probably have to have a meeting to decide how to handle this situation. Expect John Tortorella to be a big part of that conversation, since Glen Sather and co. would probably like to know what type of a role Avery is expected to play on next year's team before they make any decisions.
That's not to say that good players should get away with more than bad players would. But I do think that the Rangers will want to know as much as they can about Avery's future with the team before making any decisions. At the end of the day, this arrest is embarrassing for both Avery and the organization as a whole. How the organization will move forward is what remains to be seen.
For now, Avery is out on bail, and is probably preparing an apology statment which will be made sometime in the near future. Until then, we'll keep you updated as soon as anything breaks.
Thoughts guys?
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I see a public press conference, with Avery apologizing, in the near future. Anyways we should all go out there and egg the neighbors house.
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I was thinking the same thing. Blueshirt field trip?
by XxC17xX on Aug 5, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only if I can set a bag of dog poop on fire on our way out…
by Ranger McJersey on Aug 5, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I personally wouldn’t have it any other way.
by XxC17xX on Aug 5, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Update******Mike Richards just moved in next door to Avery. Is that the source of the noise complaint?
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by nathansfamous on Aug 6, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree this reflects badly on the Rangers organization, and therefore, I don’t see how the team cannot in some way “punish” Mr. Avery. I would suppose IF they want to keep him, at a minimum they’ll officially fine him and unofficially require him to participate in some kind of charitable event, etc. This would not even include what the league might do in terms of fines and/or suspension x number of games. Maybe he and A-rod can enter a support group together or something. . .
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I think because this involves an altercation with law enforcement, the Rangers may be a little extra sensitive about it. Considering that they use a wounded NYPD officer as the namesake for probably their most important team award, I wouldn’t be surprised for them to come down particularly harsh on Avery.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not really an “altercation” it’s a shove. We should just let this blow over
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont know...
This didn’t happen during the season so if he is punished by the state before-hand which he will be they will probably just leave at that. And seriously who here hasn’t had the urge to shove a cop… and I understand this isn’t the nfl but its not like he was carrying a gun (and shot himself) drinking and driving (while in possession of narcotics) killing dogs or involved in a murder…
by Ranger McJersey on Aug 5, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
seriously dude, for the nhl this is felony type shit… for the nba and the nhl its the average player. this isnt that serious, it will blow over.
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How does this “reflect badly on the Rangers organization?”. I see on blogs everywhere people convicting Avery before a Judge has even heard this case. I know Avery’s antics both on and off the ice have at times been over the top. I also know that LAPD has been a kind and caring law enforcement org. and has NEVER violated the rights of ANY human being ( LMAO, can you smell the sarcasm?) If anything of what I have read is true, more than likely this case will be thrown out. If the cop tried to force his way in the home without a warrant or reasonable cause, Avery was 100% within his rights to push the cop out the door. And NO, Loud music would not constitute a reasonable cause to enter someones home. My Father is a retired lieutenant from NYPD, and he would be the first one to tell you that at times police can be ( in my best Charlie Murphy voice) Habitual line steppers!
Lets let a Judge and due process decide if Avery is guilty before we punish him, suspend him, trade him, buy him out, demote him to the Ahl, or publicly hang him on Broadway.
After all this is still America , Right?
Its good not to have negative attention, since just last week they put out a positive article on Sather’s genious
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I hear you, But what if he really didn’t “bring the negative attention to him” ? What if?? Lapd were wrong??? I mean is ANYONE here going to crucify Avery for ….“OMG……he’s the DEVIL…..” listening to loud music?? I mean , REALLY?
And did anybody else notice the faces in the background of the picture above… one guy looks like he’s about to cry he’s so scared and the other has an expression of sucks to be you bro
by Ranger McJersey on Aug 5, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Haha that’s pretty funny you nailed it
by Mr. Avery to you on Aug 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Torts has never liked Avery, and my guess is he uses this as an excuse to cut ties. Whether that’s justified or not is another question.
A misdemeanor charge, in the larger scheme of things, and compared to what many other athletes have done of a criminal nature, isn’t a huge deal, IMO.
On the other hand, every time he does stuff like this, on or off the ice, it creates PR headaches for the Rangers, and at a time when they’re really turning the organization around with a new and exciting club.
I think what will kill him is that we have Rupp now, so Aves is kind of redundant.
My hope: cut ties, give a kid a chance.
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Adios Mr. Avery. There’s a train leaving for Hartford. AND, there’s your needed cap buffer. Mr. Wolski thanks you from the bottom of his heart.
Wolski's situation is in no way affected by wether or not Avery makes the team
It’s a guy like MZA that would be happy if a roster spot opened up. Christensen too.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 5, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If Avery’s cap # is used to save space then you don’t think Wolski has a better chance of sticking Joe? They might tolerate his contract more if they have some cap wiggle room.
If they didn’t want him, they’d have bought him out during either of the windows they could. The organization doesn’t dislike Wolski anywhere near the level you do.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
IT’S NOT DISLIKE, lol. I think he’s an underachieving player. I have no tolerance for players like him. There is ZERO reason why he shouldn’t be a 30 goal scorer annually. Besides, why buy him out when you can send him down or trade him after training camp to see if he has anything and get the full $$ off the cap.
Maybe he does have a breakout year
And hits 30 goals. He’s the same age as Dubi and a year younger than Cally. He also a 60 point season which neither of them can claim and he’s accumulated about 50 more points than Dubi in his career and about 100 more than Callahan.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no tolerance for players like him
IT’S NOT DISLIKE,
Wrong adjective then? Hate? Loathe? Despise? Abhor? Detest?
to see if he has anything
He has the pedigree of a 40-50 point player in the league, even with his laissez-faire attitude. That’s better than a good majority of the roster, and certainly enough to keep him around.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, so it goes back to what I said to Joe. $700K of cap space = little tolerance for Wolski at $3.8M unless he scores 50+ pts, which you won’t know before the season so why risk it and just trade him if you can. OR, $2.7M of cap space = ok, give WW the season to see if he can duplicate his Colorado stats. I think the cap space at the start of the season dictates what they do with WW, in my humble opinion.
I guess my question to you is what are you doing that cap space? Is there a guaranteed 50 point producer on the market that you can get for $2.7M?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hold it for trade deadline deals if you need it which they might. Not to mention that MDZ and Eminger may be here at the same time. They’re only $700K under without MDZ on the roster. MDZ puts them over if they carry 7 D.
But couldn’t they just as easily waive Christensen and keep MZA down in Hartford and bank cap space while those two are off the roster?
And I can’t recall specific instances where players were waived and kept in the minors the entire year just to keep money open for the trading deadline. Sure you have Redden and Souray, but they were waived and demoted because the Rangers/Oilers just didn’t want them on the roster anymore, period.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, you’re correct. Except I believe not giving MZA a chance on the top 9 and the PP with BR is a big mistake. he’s small but is not afraid. he has much more grit than WW and it’s not even close. I view EC as a cheap spare forward as a healthy scratch and there for injury replacement purposes until Hagelin is ready midseason.
Don’t think MZA gets on the same PP as BR. Gaborik is obviously a lock on that unit and Callahan has been pretty productive on the PP the last couple of seasons. So that takes care of the wingers on presumably the 1st unit.
For all of MZA’s grit/heart he basically produced the same amount of points as Wolski. I actually don’t like MZA going out of his way to physically engage other players. It’s not really going to work for him most of the time against the bigger players.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
MZA on the PP point, not as a forward. I know what you’re saying about the hitting but I’m glad he’s not afraid.
Richards plays the point on the PP. They will probably not go with 5 forwards unless it’s a 5 on 3.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine that they’d want either Del Zotto to regain confidence on the PP or they want to see if Staal can continue to grow working on the PP. He took some great strides last year in 5 on 4.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
MDZ needs to start the year in Hartford, gain confidence in his game especially after his injury, and get called up around December. Which is why I wanted Eminger re-signed for the start of the season.
Even if MDZ isn’t playing like he was in the first 40 games of his rookie year, there is the possibility that out of all the young D that are coming to camp (him, Erixon, Valentenko, Pashnin, etc.) he could be the best option out camp. I think Eminger was re-signed to be a 6th/7th D, and that they will carry 7D as they did for most of last season. This would probably put MDZ and Erixon as front runners for 5th and 6th D.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t disagree but MDZ did come off injury so it would be tolerable for him to go to Hartford to get his timing down and come up when he’s ready. I think Erixon makes the team out of camp as well. If MDZ is ready then I have no problem with him playing here. But to have Erixon and MDZ as a D pair is asking for trouble.
His injury was a broken hand right? I don’t know exactly what you’re trying to say about getting his timing down, considering the entire team hasn’t played since April.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Glen Sather loves projects like Wolski
and sometimes he gets the best out of them. Wolski poses a very little risk but VERY HIGH reward player for the Rangers.
He can easily contribute 50 points, he could get near 70+ if he lives up to his potential and plays with Richards. Why not take a flyer on that? If it doesn’t work out then let him walk at the end of the year.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
game 4 against the Caps, I’m sitting in my seat in sec 315 and I’m ready to run down on the ice and strangle WW. Why? because late in a tied playoff game he slows down and let’s the Caps’ D touch up for icing after WW had a 20 foot lead on that same guy. I would have benched him for the rest of the playoffs. that play typifies his lackluster attitude that has no place on this team. there’s my peeve. funny, but I don’t hear any teammates saying how he should be here and giving his roster spot any support amidst all this buyout/trade talk. maybe there are reasons, huh?
but I don’t hear any teammates saying how he should be here and giving his roster spot any support amidst all this buyout/trade talk. maybe there are reasons, huh?
Do you ever hear that about anyone? Drury has a ton of respect around the locker room, did you hear anyone speak out about him?
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
After he was bought out, not before.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s barely even a project.
In terms of Pts/60 at even strength, there are only 40 forwards who have been better than Wolski over the last 4 seasons.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like when George makes sense.
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except MZA can do the same thing over 82 games maybe even better for $2M less. just my humble opinion.
Eh, its arguable.
Wolski is more or less a proven entity, MZA is a huge question mark.
Lets hope that they can both get 50 points.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a major leap.
By that measure, Wolski has never been under 2.00. Zuke was behind Avery and Frolov.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
23 pts in 42 games boys. and it was his first season in North American hockey. I think MZA has skills and can play.
I agree, I think as MZA adjusts, he’ll be very good. But as far as points per minute there are (surprisingly) few forwards that have done more than Wolski, and Zukes was not one of them.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 6, 2011 7:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
George I would be the first to say I was wrong about WW if he plays like he should. I would be very happy about it too.
I’m holding you to that :)
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Get ready to start apologizing then…..
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by nathansfamous on Aug 7, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not apologizing because the player should do that. More like saying I was wrong about him. To be clear, I root for all Rangers and I would love nothing more than for WW to score 30 goals. Why wouldn’t I? I know so-called Ranger fans that root against certain Ranger players because they don’t like them. That’s disgusting.
it’s not hating, it’s doing what’s best for the team. The bias against Avery by the refs after this will hurt the team. The team doesn’t need it so it’s their best interest to move on from this guy.
If they are biased against Avery for something he did off the ice, they should seriously question what they are doing having a ref’ing job. They are there to ref the game, nothing else.
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This.
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Yup, he’s the only other player on the current roster that’s produced 60+ points in a season other than Gaborik or Richards.
I’m fine with giving a chance this season. I honestly don’t think he’s taking up a roster spot of a more deserving player unless Christian Thomas absolutely kills it in pre-season, which I’m not betting on.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s about his cap #. if the Rangers are 5th/6th seeds like I think they are then the probability of a deadline deal is high. Do they roll the dice that WW help gets them to the 5th or 6th seed? that’s the $3.8M question.
Well as much as there’s been talk of the Rangers starting to enter in the “contenders” category, I don’t think they are this year without a lot going right for them.
Thus, if they’re keeping a decent amount of cap space open to acquire someone I’m going to assume it’s a pretty good/high impact player in which case they’re probably mortgaging off some of their future. I’d find it hard to imagine that they’ll go all in for a Cup run if they’re only in 5th or 6th place. If they were going neck and neck for the best record in the conference, then maybe it would make more sense.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no, you’re right, but I predict 5th/6th with a round or 2 this year. But if they show anything and there is an impact rental out there that they can re-sign long-term then isn’t that worth saving cap space for? A high impact rental will cost a few mill in cap space even being pro-rated at that time of the year.
A high impact rental will cost a few mill in cap space even being pro-rated at that time of the year.
This would be somewhat akin to the situation last year where people speculating if the Stars were going to trade Richards. Why give up a piece of the future if this person is headed to become an FA after the season is over? But if they are somehow in a strong position at the deadline, like firmly in top 3 or 4 in the conference, then perhaps they could explore cashing in some trading chips. However, I still don’t think that’s a good enough reason to keep a guy buried in the minors the entire season.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It really depends who they’re trading for and what the other team’s needs are.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand your logic about cap space for a mid-season rental; if wolski sucks again and such a player is available we can just waive wolski in February to make room.
by KingHenrik on Aug 5, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re still gonna be able to acquire a player with the same cap hit seeing as you’re only paying them for the 25 games of the season or whatever, just like you’d be paying Wolski for that time.
by KingHenrik on Aug 5, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess my point is you already have enough forwards charged against the cap so if you delete WW that’s a full $3.8M off the cap without having to add anyone to replace him because they’re already on the roster (MZA, EC, whomever). If you trade for an impact player that still has a $2M-$4M cap hit for the rest of the season then you have the room to absorb it. or 2 players if that’s the case.
what if Weber becomes available and Nashville accepts a boatload of picks and prospects that are low cost cap wise or no cap consequence at all? Weber’s half year charge is still around $3.5M. If you waive WW then it’s less than a $2M cap savings at that time.
Some crude estimates, but if they kept Wolski’s cap hit off the books up until the trade deadline (about 80% of the season), they’ll have accumulated just around $3M in banked cap space.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
if your sather at the deadline do pull the trigger on this:
Stepan, Kreider and two 1sts for Semin.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope. Too much, especially for a rental. No way at all.
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Should have included that Semin is on 1 year 6.5MM deal and UFA next year… I think
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s the point. would you rather have WW, $700K of cap space, and have to scramble at the deadline or just have MZA and Avery in the line-up and free up almost $4M of cap space? The latter. BTW, MZA had 23 pts in 42 games in a transition year. I think he fills WW’s spot nicely for $2M less.
big fuckin deal. its summer time, aves was having a basher at his crib with some gorgeous he picked up at vogues and a jealous neighbor in hollywood calls the cops on him? sure, he shoved the cop, but big deal, the rangers should just not comment at all or if they do say anything, something along the line of “we will cooperate with the LAPD and handle it internally” no further comment.
aves will have a bounce back season and everyone bashing him will take be glad we kept him when hes going to be the next brad marchand of the 2011 playoffs (a much older and experience version though)
but he assaulted a cop. last I heard that’s not part of having a good time. not being a prude but you can’t put your hands on a cop. period.
assault is a bit extreme. He was probably a bit too drunk, didn’t initially realize he was a cop, and shoved him a little bit. There should be a fine at most, maybe a month of suspended salary as well
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 5, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The big question is, would YOU do it? If not, then it is probably not a good thing that Avery did it.
I'm black
So fuck no I wouldn’t do it. The second the LAPD sees me the clubs wil come flying out.
Anyway, I can’t be 100% sure about what I’d do since I’ve never been in that situation, but as a rule of thumb, I avoid cops.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 5, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really Scratch and Snif, you 'avoid' cops?
Why cause they’re a bunch of Ku Klux Klan maniacs out to beat up black guys? You watch too much t.v. dude. Conduct yourself like a human being and you won’t get your ass ‘clubbed’ by the police
You need to watch the youtube video by Chris Rock: How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police. If you don’t break the law, you won’t get beaten with clubs.
It has nothing to do with being black or white or anything else. Enough with that crap already.
I "avoid" cops
Because if I’m going to start shit with someone, it has to be with someone on even footing to me. That means someone without a gun, a club, a taser, and who won’t be allowed to beat my ass, legally, then haul me off to jail for it. Not because I assume all cops are assholes – my old gym coach is a cop and he’s a pretty awesome dude – or because I assume they’re all racist.
BUT you never know who you’re going to stumble upon, and you may come across one of the racist asshole cops. And yes it totally has to do with being black or white, because even if only 3% of cops are racist (hypothetical) and 90 % of cops are white, then 2.7% of those cops will hate blacks compared to the 0.3% that may not. Even if the numbers behind it are small, it’s still a 9:1 ratio.
It’s not crap, it’s the truth. We aren’t in an egalitarian society at all. And the fact remains that when shit goes wrong, being black is very much a handicap. Don’t pass this off as “whitey is the source of all my problems” because that’s not what I’m saying. When things are all happy and doink, race barely comes into play. It’s a completely different matter when shit hits the fan, otherwise, there wouldn’t be stories like this:
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 6, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well said, rec’d
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 6, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I’m white and I avoid cops.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 6, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ding, ding , ding......we have a winner
Remember Rodney KIng?…about every 4 or 5 yrs he gets arrested for drunken driving, or blowing through a check point or trying to run someone down……I’m not saying the cops that clubbed him like a baby seal were not racist…..but he wasn’t an innocent guy who they just picked on for no reason….he was and is a savage.
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I’m inclined to believe they called a regular squad car to the house for the noise complaint. If the blue suit and probably identifying themselves as LAPD wasn’t a clue to Avery that the guy was a cop then maybe all that’s been wrong with Avery the last couple of years is that he needs to wear thicker glasses.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
abner louima would agree with you
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by joereiter on Aug 5, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually… assault is generally verbal… battery is the physical part… but that’s besides the point…
since they only charged him with misdemeanor I’m inclined to believe this didn’t go down quite as the media is reporting… assault (generally including battery) on an officer is pretty much across the board a felony. I see this turning into one of those “phony” crimes like creating a public disturbance and no more fuss. NOW, the Rangers can do what they wan’t with him… but probably nothing until all is said and done…
by startsnstopsny on Aug 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem...
one of those things that can make a big difference… interested to see the assault/battery charges after the winter classic in philly… this is gonna be fun on the bun!
by startsnstopsny on Aug 5, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
only if your married
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pretty interesting actually… Cal. Penal Code Chapter 9 section 240 (assault) + 242 (battery)… for anyone interested… hitting a cop in Cali is a fine up to 10000 and/or up to 3 years in jail… + 2000 and/or 1 year for the assault… I assume Aves isn’t getting the max (if anything)… although given his salary he probs doesn’t care too much
by startsnstopsny on Aug 6, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to have a season much worse than what he had last year. But I was just discussing this incident with a friend which prompted me to look up his stats from his 2nd tenure in NY. 19 goals in 163 games. I’m not counting on him to do a whole lot, regardless of how he behaves off the ice.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well said. This has been blown out of proportion
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 5, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Any way you slice it, Avery was arrested last night. He also put his hands on a law enforcement official.
While it might not be worth of all the “there goes his spot on the team next year” discussion, it’s still a big deal.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ok a big deal to some but a “who cares?” kind of thing to others. He didn’t attack the cop, use any weapons on the cop, period. He was drunk and probably thought he could get away with a shove. At the end of the day, as scratchnsniff said, its been blown out of proportion…in my opinion.
agreed 100%
Situation being amped up being its 1.) Avery, and 2.) the middle of a pretty boring summer. Plus, didn’t Pat Kane get away with actually mugging a cabby with nothing more than a slap on the wrist?
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 5, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The punishment should be based on the crime, not based on their value to the league, or to the team, or on their skill
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 6, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously Colin Cambell never understood that.
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I read elsewhere he bumped a cop on the way back into his house and slammed the door.
TMZ? Really? Hockey and TMZ should be like the theoretical combination of matter and anti-matter, where the presence of even one atom of each would rip a hole in the fabric of space-time. None of the facts of the matter have been reported except these early reports.
No excuse for contact with a police officer. Period. But considering he ignored more then one cop knocking on his front door while blasting music hints at some extremely upset men in blue(shirts). We’ve all been there. Go along and keep your mouth shut and they tend to let you go. Act like an asshole and you go from one problem to many depending on the mood of the offended.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Aug 5, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well Said
Who knows how it all went down. Does not really matter. But everyone here should recognize that no pancake is so this to only have one side and in this country even Sean Avery is innocent until proven guilty. Just because a police officer alleges he was pushed does mean that it a) happened or b) was not justified. So everyone chill and let things shake out down the line.
by Blueshirts Rock on Aug 5, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
mountain out of a molehill
this is really minor. If the Rangers do anything to Avery like suspend him or release him from this, it shows that they care more about public relations than they do about reality and life. Then again, that IS the cablevision family way….
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According to the news release… "Sources tell us 31-year-old Avery immediately began running his mouth at the cops — telling them he would fight all of them … even challenging them to, “Come back without your badges.” "
I can see him doing that.
Also, don’t know how they got Battery on Peace Officer as a misdemeanor, it should be a felony. I bet he was charged with obstruction. Since it was a push and not a punch, kick, or strike, I bet charges eventually get dropped or he does some community service.
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Doesn’t say what he is charged with.
No big deal here , now lets get this season going already. At least this broke up the waiting for the season to start for several hours.
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by nathansfamous on Aug 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery’s next PSA will be about raising awareness about prison rape.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Avery’s next PSA will be about raising awareness on prison rape.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Enough is enough Avery. Come on man. I have to come home and see this crap?
It just pisses me off because the Rangers deserve to be in the headlines for good things, not for Sean Avery’s antics.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Aug 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
I really don’t care if he did or didn’t push or shove him but is it possible that after challenging them to a fight and calling them fat little which im about 90% sure he did one cop turned to another and said, “did you see him push me…?”…
by Ranger McJersey on Aug 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Enough with WW the talk.. we need our Cap specialists to answer the following questions:
1) Is the following statement correct: Waiving Avery does nothing to lower his cap hit unless someone else claims him. If someone does, they absorb the full salary ($4MM), not the portion the Rangers are responsible for ($2MM).
2) What are the implications of sending him to CT? Will the Rangers be under the NHL experience limit with both him and Redden down there? (Quite a payroll down there if its Redden/MZA/Avery).
3) If the Rangers trade Avery, the other team has to take him at full salary or does Dallas portion remain?
4) Is the following statement correct: The Rangers do not have cap room to buy out Avery. (From an economic POV I know its a stinker, but if they really wanted to get rid of him due to PR reasons).
Hurry up with responses, my bb battery is blinking yellow!
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
To the best of my knowledge
1) They can waive him, and correct, that doesn’t affect the cap hit at all. Someone claiming him gets the whole hit.
2) I don’t believe they can send him down. I haven’t checked with all the AHL shuffle how many ‘veterans’ we have right now.
3) Yes, team’s trading for him get the whole hit.
4) They have the cap room to buy him out, but doing so would do nothing but effectively extend his cap hit by a year. It would save just $700k this year, and cost $1.3m next year.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff. I’m going to remember this during your annual performance review. You may have just earned yourself an extra 25 basis points this year.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So he pushed a cop and ran his mouth a little.
Big fucking deal.
And the way the media is portraying this entire event is that they the LAPD responded to the noise complaint and all of a sudden Avery lost it. I highly doubt that is how it happened.
“So, we received a call about a noise complaint….”
“WHAT did you SAY? Get off my property, I’ll kick ALL your asses”
Right. No amount of alcohol would make Avery act that irrationally.
All I am saying is that the only side of the story that gets documented is the cop who got pushed and his buddies.
Maybe it is because I am a cynical bastard, or maybe it is because growing up in south western CT, I have a pretty negative connotation with police officers. I’m not trying to make a blanket statement here, because I know there are excellent police officers, and ones that deserve their wage and others respect. But in my experience, whenever something escalates from an event as trivial as a noise complaint, it stems from disrespect from both parties, not just the person getting arrested.
In addition to that, we all know the LAPD goes through extreme lengths to protect the reputation of their officers.
All I’m trying to say is that it doesn’t really make sense how this whole charade is getting portrayed, at least to me.
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Agreed 100%
Well said.
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And not only that
Lets think abstractly for a second.
The fact that Avery pushed the LEO leads me to believe that he entered Avery’s domicile without consent.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell ya what Blue Seats....
…come up to where I work and shove one of us. You’ll see what a ‘big fucking deal’ it is when you’re picking your teeth up out of the sidewalk my friend.
Now don’t take this the wrong way, I’m not (repeat NOT) threatening you or anything – I don’t know you for one, and we’re both Ranger fans for another. This is simply my attempt to give you an insight into what any police officer would think when reading that statement. You don’t shove cops. You don’t shove train conductors. You don’t shove nurses. You don’t shove firemen. (You can however, shove Flyers fans).
And you definitely are wrong about ‘in your experience.’ I’ve been a cop for eight years and believe me, people manage to escalate situations out of nothing with no help from me or my co-workers. The cops that act like complete shitbags are out there, and I wasn’t there at Sean’s crib – none of us were – so who can really say what went down, but please don’t make assessments about ‘disrespect from both parties.’ Cop comes to your house and you answer the door with anything other than "good evening officer what seems to be the problem?’ type shit, you’re off on the wrong foot.
Tink about it like this; if it was no big deal to shove a cop, then its a slippery slope and pretty soon its okay to punch one, kick one, spit on one, etc etc. The millisecond you raise your hands to a police officer the ass whoopin’ is on. Because it has to be that way. Do the job for a week and you’ll agree with me. Imagine if pro hockey players could shove referees? How would that work?
Some of you need to think about stuff before you write it here…..put yourself in the officers’ situation. (No one ever wants to do that..its okay you’re all trained pretty well by the media). You’re making 75,000 a year and you gotta tell some young millionaire to please lower his music and he’s giving you lip? Nah man…fuck that. Its not happening. Now this pampered douchbag wants to put his hands on you? Nah man….fuck that. Its not happening. I don’t care if he’s Sean Avery, A-Rod, or Prince fucking William.
Once again Blue Seats, no disrespect to you man.
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You are the perfect person to answer a question that’s been bugging me since this story first broke:
How did the “battery” occur yet Avery was allowed to reenter his domicile without being detained? Once a crime as serious as battery of a peace officer has transpired, aren’t the police within their rights to pursue the suspect into his place of residence in order to make an arrest?
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
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You’re basically right. At that point it becomes a lot more than a simple noise violation. You can go in at that point.
If he said “Go fuck yourselves” and slammed the door, well then, fine…but you can write the ticket and leave it in the door for him to get in the morning.
I don’t want to come off like a violent asshole here…..I get aggravated when people like Buckaroo and Gabby and Blue Seats say things that are just so off base….so wrong, and I shouldn’t let it get the best of me.
You’re allowed to. Its you’re right to get aggravated if you disagree, especially with the experience you’ve had.
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But based on the fact that the police allowed him to enter his home, I’m making the assumption that he made contact, not struck or pushed the officer. Otherwise, they’d have arrested him on the spot.
Basically, he got picked up for being an unbearable asshole – and any infraction thereafter would have been reason for an arrest. Sorta like mouthing off when you’re inspection sticker is overdue or one of your taillights is out. You’re free to act like an idiot as long as you’re squeaky clean.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
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Let me know how that works out for you . . .
Pretty big assumption. This was also the second time the police went there that night I can also make the assumption that the police knew exactly who they were dealing with before they went there. I am sure they knew who he was. Especially if they went there a second time. No matter what conbtact it was it is still a battery, however, I bet after his first court date the charges eventually get dropped.
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by nathansfamous on Aug 6, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure I’m following you.
Let’s assume he actually pushed or shoved a cop. No WAY he would have made it back into his house.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Aug 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW,
Thank you.
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Where do I start....
First off, I’m going to say that I agree with you that it was stupid for Avery to put his hands on a cop. No doubt about it.
people manage to escalate situations out of nothing with no help from me or my co-workers.
I highly doubt that is the case in this particular circumstance. There is nothing else to say about that. It is laughably typical for you to give the responding officers the benefit of the doubt while completely disregarding the lack of documentation on Avery’s side.
but please don’t make assessments about ‘disrespect from both parties
Why shouldn’t I? Is that completely out of the realm of possibility? You said yourself, there are cops that act like shitbags out there. Plenty of them. I was never pretending to “know what went down at Sean’s crib” I’m just apparently more open to the possibility that it wasn’t Sean who was being the asshole before it escalated to “battery”.
Tink about it like this; if it was no big deal to shove a cop, then its a slippery slope and pretty soon its okay to punch one, kick one, spit on one, etc etc.
Actually, there is a massive difference between bumping an LEO on the way to your house and punching/kicking/spitting on one, and if you don’t see that then I don’t know what to tell you. If he actually posed a threat to the safety of the officer, then obviously he would have been taken down, probably tazed, and not allowed to re enter his home. Like you said, that is your nature. That is obviously not the case. 9 times out of 10 battery of an LEO is a felony, and the fact that Sean got a misdemeanor leads me to believe that whatever it was that he did that the officers considered “battery” really wasn’t that big of a deal. He was allowed to walk inside his house and slam the door until he decided to cooperate. At this point, I highly doubt that the “shove” was violent, or meant to harm the officer.
The millisecond you raise your hands to a police officer the ass whoopin’ is on.
So where was the “asswhooping”? It would have been there if Avery posed any threat to the officers.
You’re making 75,000 a year and you gotta tell some young millionaire to please lower his music and he’s giving you lip? Nah man…fuck that. Its not happening. Now this pampered douchbag wants to put his hands on you? Nah man….fuck that. Its not happening. I don’t care if he’s Sean Avery, A-Rod, or Prince fucking William.
This excerpt is just a testament of the ridiculous spite towards the wealthy in officers. Before you tell me how ridiculous it is for me to say something like that, tell me what the hell does Sean’s salary have to do with anything. Please tell me how Sean’s salary would influence how you approach the situation.
its okay you’re all trained pretty well by the media
I don’t even know what this means. I’m the one arguing that the media didn’t release the whole story, remember?
You’ll see what a ‘big fucking deal’ it is when you’re picking your teeth up out of the sidewalk my friend.
Just because you say you don’t want to come off as a violent asshole below doesn’t make crap like this any less violent. You have to be kidding me to respond like that. When people say crap like that, it aggravates me, and I don’t care if you have a badge or not. In fact, to me it seems like the badge is a justification to use/threaten to use violence. If I were to say something like that to you, a police officer………. Ridiculous.
All I was saying is that there is a glaring dearth in Avery’s side of the story and
obviously in this case, the term “battery” is up for interpretation. You can’t just say “I’m a police officer, you don’t understand”. I’ve been in situations where I have had to deal with policemen, ranging from them being excellent to scum. It is just as likely that the LEO was the first one to be disrespectful than Avery. Not all policemen are angels.
And obviously, i mean no disrespect to you, but I do take exception to you placing me in your little example of what happens if I were to push you…. I would never lay my hands on a police officer, I haven’t laid my hands on anyone violently in my life. Don’t put me in your example.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 6, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm retired from the NYPD
and I worked most of my career in Harlem and L.E.S. If you even violated my air space or my partners, you were picking teeth off the ground. Nobody touched us…ever. That was the rule. I’m not a tough guy but nobody ever was allowed to get close enough to even remotely try to injure me. That said, if Avery really did this, he would have gotten grape stomped.
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If any of you ever knew the dynamics of a police encounter or contact, you would understand why police act a certain way. A police officer has to have total control of the situation, no other way.
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by nathansfamous on Aug 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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There are too many cases where the police let that control go to their head tho.
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by Angy on Aug 6, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Violated your airspace? Well you just showed that yes, too many police are on a power trip.
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by Angy on Aug 6, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't expect you to understand if you are ignorant to dealing with people's constant bullshit.
We are not talking about the one guy who does something off the wall and every friggin cop in America is automatically branded the same way which is obviously how you picture authority. We are talking about never backing down because if you show a weakness, people exploit it. I worked in the housing projects in and around El Barrio, On the street people of a certain mentality tried to see how far they could go with you, especially when you were new. They get in your face, be disrespectful, maybe even try to touch you. They want to see how far they can go, because maybe next time you’ll do nothing also. React and do something about it and nobody will take the same liberty with you in the future. Unfortunatley that is just the way it is. You don’t have to be a cop to realize there is a comfortable distance to remain at while in conversation. Once that is violated, time for talk is over. Its not a power trip, it is common sense and safety. I didn’t know those people, how close do you let them get to you? Wait too long and you lose. You are always walking into a situation because you were called…..so it is always potentially dangerous. Towards the end of my career I was busting down doors, so anyone behind that door was a threat. Life and people are not always as nice as we hope. I was prepared for that.
Nathan hit it on the head, you need to be in control 100% of the time. I didn’t care about the job, I often was forced to do what I truly didn’t beleive in or want to (when guiliani was mayor we were locking up people for smoking blunts and drinking beer in the park, zero tolerance, it was honestly not a good time to be a cop) but I made sure my team and I went home safe every night, that was the most important thing.
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Good point.
Just like a new or substitute teacher has to set an example, so all of the kids don’t go out of control. Only problem is instead of kids throwing paper, you are in serious danger.
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I think those teachers have it just as bad, they often deal with the same people
Exactly, I couldn’t imagine being an inner city school teacher and having whining liberals tell me how I should be doing my job even though they never set foot in that type of situation when the kids are carrying guns to school.
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so let me get this straight… inner city school children are the same people that cops have to deal with often? They’re criminals?
Your statement is dripping with implicit racism.
And actually, its the conservatives who are whining about teachers ‘not doing their jobs’.
He was not implying racism.
He was responding to my comment that it is necessary to take complete control of a situation early, not allowing in to get out of hand.
Also, the population in inner-cities are more likely to commit crimes than the population not in inner-cities. Thats just a fact, and no one is bringing race into this.
Both of you guys try not to start a political argument here. Liberals and conservative both suck :P
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Racism? really?
I’m not even sure race was ever discussed here. Perhaps your assumption of what inner school children are is racist.
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I’m a NYC school teacher, and I do a lot of diversity work. I’ve also studied the history of racism in public education, and we’re in the middle of a tremendous shift back to segregated education in big cities.
Its extremely easy for you to hide behind “I didn’t mention a race”, because that’s what everyone does. But when people mention inner city students, and criminals etc… those are powerful and common euphemisms, like “urban”. Just because you didn’t come right out and say it. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.
Just because you didn’t come right out and say it. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.
That kind of sums it up right there. You’re telling me what I meant to say even though I didn’t say it? That’s really rich and an intelligent way to approach adult discussions. I mean…rather than actually listening or actually reading of course. I’m curious, even though I haven’t said anything about you, can you tell me my opinion of you? The other night after I crossed the plate at my softball game, a couple of guys patted me on the back, one guy touched my ass. You don’t suppose he, like digs me in an unholy way? I mean, he didn’t come right out and say it. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there though. I’ll keep my eyes open. I’m on to him now, thank you.
Listen, I do not go out of my way to be politically correct(obviously), if I needed to make a statement and point out something with a racist tone, I surely would put it bluntly so nobody would speculate or be left guessing. If you are going to call me a racist, I’d at least like to earn it. I can honestly tell you, I’ve been called many things, racist was never one of those things.
I’m really not interested in what you have studied, it holds no weight here. If I list my degrees does that make my point more relevant? Likely not, you will still think I was a racist cop despite of the fact that this discussion was not an issue of race it was an issue of Avery getting his ass kicked if he truly pushed a cop.
I certainly did not insinuate all school kids are criminals, in fact I never used the word criminals as all.
Please don’t tell me what you think I meant to say or what you think underlying tones suggest. You could not be more incorrect. The fact that I spoke about the housing projects and then the plight of inner city teachers in different messages does not correlate the two in any form of racism. Also I will point out that inner cities are generally made up of ethnically diverse neighborhoods which generally are lower income and historically made up of hispanic and black majorities. Speaking from experience, at least where I worked in Harlem and L.E.S. that was what it was made up exlusively. The one point I will agree with is that neighborhoods are historically segregated and despite the efforts of the city to prevent segregation in schools, it occurs.
Now I’m going to discuss this with my hispanic wife to see if she thinks I’m a racist. I’m betting she won’t.
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I never called you a racist, I simply said your statement had racist undertones. I stand by that.
The reason I told you what I’ve studied (which is relevant) is show that I know that when people talk about “inner city” students, they’re referring to predominantly Black and Latino populations. You admit to knowing this as well:
Also I will point out that inner cities are generally made up of ethnically diverse neighborhoods which generally are lower income and historically made up of hispanic and black majorities.
Originally you were talking about police and said that Inner city teachers “often deal with the same people” (as cops).
I couldn’t imagine being an inner city school teacher … when the kids are carrying guns to school.
So while you never said criminals, you certainly did insinuate (even if not deliberately), that inner city students, who you know are predominantly Black and Latino, are often the same people that cops have to deal with, who carry guns to school. If you can’t see the racist undertones in such a blanket statement, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Now again, I never called you a racist. Judging by your response, you take that quite seriously, as you should. I also never said that you “meant to say” something specific. But just because you didn’t mean to say something racist, doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen unknowingly. Which is why I said:
Just because you didn’t come right out and say it. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.
That’s not me calling you a “closet racist” or something. I’m trying to say that even though you didn’t mean it, even though you didn’t know it, that statement carries racism with it.
I apologize for seeming to imply that you are a racist. That’s not my intent.
I’m letting you know that my statement had no racial tones to it at all, you looked into it and that is what you wanted to see. I’m sure that I could say alot based on my experience that one who did not have the same experience would take in a negative way possibly even in racial terms.
Someone previously stated that they know a lot of racist cops, it may have been you. Does being a cop have anything to do with being a racist as you implied? I know alot of air traffic controllers who like to take naps….as long as they don’t do it on the job everything’s good to go. You can be a racist in any walk of life. I take offense to the implication that the underlying tones of your statement was that cops are racists and most probably that I am too. You see, that I can deduct with 100% certainty.
Lets say that I insinuated that some inner city students are often the same people that the cops deal with…would that be an incorrect statement and why do you take offense to it? It’s not a racial statement and at one time, is it likely that most of the kids are products of the NYC school system?
Case in point: I was working with Anti Crime when a shots fired job came over the radio. I was literally 1/2 a block away and first on scene. As I walked up to the building, 3 11yr old black boys walked out and for some reason I gravitated to one of them who was indeed carrying a 45 cal. pistol that had just been fired….less than 100yds from the school that they all attended, close to the East river on 105/1 Metro North Houses. So this this senario at least justifies my statement since it is being based on my experience. It does not insinuate that all students are perps, some absolutely are. It has zero racial undertones……you can’t condemn my statement as racist just because I worked in an black and latino neighborhood and that is all that I dealt with. If you were a white person in East Harlem you were either a cop or copping( looking for drugs).
I walked away from the job not believing that most of the people I dealt with were savages. Some were. I think it would be very easy for me to make a conclusion based on the fact that I saw the very worst of some people and somehow could tie that in an accusatory manner to the race they belonged to, but I never did that.
Do you get offended at any TV show that depicts inner city schools? 100% positive those shows always have a kid threatening a teacher or carry a gun, out of control kids, etc. I know I’m not off base by saying teachers have it tough. You brought the latinos and black into the equation.
While I appreciate you not blatantly calling me a closet racist and telling me that I didn’t mean to say something that had possible racist undertones, (again telling me what I meant), I feel you wanted to come to the conclusion that this was a racist conversation and it never was. Just because you feel it might be, doesn’t mean you are correct. Lastly, I’m a bit more intelligent than you give me credit for. I don’t “unknowingly” say anything. If I need to make a point, I’d knowingly make that point. The fact that you made an assumption or looked deeply into a statement and came up with your own conclusion does not validate your belief as being accurate. It’s merely your belief.
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Yes, I did say earlier that I know several openly racist cops; that was in direct response to someone’s comment that ‘black and white’ has nothing to do police/suspect interactions… sometimes it does. period.
This could go on forever, and I’d rather spend my time doing something else. So I’ll just say that I’ve never come to any conclusion about your intelligence… but to think that someone can’t make a statement that either is, or can be perceived as racist, unwittingly, is a bit naive. I’m not talking about what you “meant”; I’m not talking about my belief vs. yours; I’m talking about words and their connotations – and we’re obviously not going to agree on this.
Though I recognize you are an intelligent person, putting that in your signature is fairly juvenile and petty.
I do have a vendictiveness about me at times, petty….nah, juvenille maybe, but absolutely sarcastic as hell and it is usually to hammer a point home. I’ll remove it shortly I’m sure.
This conversation is really an example of what you make of it. You can look into anything anyone says and form your own opinion. If you look deeply enough you might uncover something entirely different. It doesn’t mean that the initial comments were supporting your believe at all nor does it mean you are correct about your conclusion.
The issue I take with you is, I want you to bridge the gaps and explain how you percieved my unwitting statement as even remotely close to pertaining to race. This was a discussion of facts, not my personal opinion, which then opens me up to watching what I say so as not to be precieved are racist.
When we start to talk about the inner city and low income areas/housing, explaining that where I worked, these areas were/are predominantly black and hispanic is fact and it is not politically incorrect to even remotely elude to the fact that these people need to go to schools and comprise the make up of many of the inner city schools.
Saying that the teachers and cops often deal with the same peopIe also is not racist, it is fact. I can’t correlate the two statements and see how one could conclude there are underlying tones of racism. I did not interject opinion to this. The statements are very much true. Saying the kids are out of control is also very true, it makes no direct comment based on race. The fact that someone might get offended over this discussion really illustrates where our society has faltered. We are so concerned with what we deem politically correct, that even when speaking the facts, people get offended or flustered that they might offend. Its actually what I think is wrong with our country.(that was my opinion)
Saying those damn so and so’s…they are the problem…then ok, I could see your point but that was never an issue in this entire thread.
Like I said earlier, it is what you make of it, but that doesn’t mean the author was trying to get you there.
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Alright – I’ll indulge you and bridge those gaps…
We’re talking about two different types of racism. Interpersonal racism, which is what you think I’m accusing you of, but I’m not. I know you didn’t use any slurs, and say a specific ethnic group is a problem, etc…
The other type is structural racism, which is the idea that racism is imbedded in our institutions, institutions like public education, like law enforcement, like local governments, etc…
The problem I have with your comments is that you’re reinforcing the commonly held misconceptions about “inner city” students as ‘problems’, or “out of control” as you put it, which ignore the structural racism at the root of the problem.
You’re not stating facts, you’re making a blanket statement, or a sweeping generalization about a specific population, based on your experience as a police officer. While your experiences may have confirmed these ideas for you, that does not make them true across the board. “Saying that the teachers and cops often deal with the same people” is not fact. Again, it’s a generalization. Inner city students do not make up a significant percentage of the criminal population. You’re talking about children and teenagers. Sure, maybe some of them are bad kids, but by making a blanket statement like you’ve done, you imply that kids in those schools, in those neighborhoods will become criminals when they get older – that they are somehow naturally more inclined to become criminals. This is where the racism comes in, because as you said, those schools are predominantly Black and Latino.
So when you say ‘cops and inner city teachers often deal with the same people’, it implies to me that ‘inner city students will often become criminals’. You brought in race as soon as you said ‘inner city’, because that implies something specific.
What structural racism has to do with this is that one of our biggest problems with race today is that groups of people, especially now at a young age, are being written off as problems of society, because they’re "not concerned with working hard in school"… when really, the problem is that these children are stuck in a trap by racist zoning policies, lack of funding, and various other public policies that keep them at a disadvantage from a young age. So statements like yours ignore this problem of institutional racism, and imply that these students are naturally this way.
I’m not asking you to be politically correct. Fuck PC. I’m fed up with people who say "I’m color blind" and "race doesn’t matter" because that’s bullshit, and it won’t end racism. And you’re right, this is where our society has faltered because we think that if we stop saying mean things, or stop using racist language, that it’ll all just go away. It wont’ And worrying just about what a racial slur ignores the larger problems we have in this society regarding race. The real problem is being ignored, because its easier to say that "those kids are just gonna end up in jail because that’s the way they are".
So no, you don’t say all of the people you dealt with were "savages" (which itself is a word that carries significant historical weight as racist), and you don’t come to all those negative conclusions based on race that would be "very easy for you to make"… but what you did was essentially say that eventually many "inner city" kids will have run-ins with the police… and to me that’s a strong statement that carries some weight.
If all I did here was make myself look over sensitive, or aggressive, or obnoxious, then so be it. But I am a passionate anti-racist, and I’m not going to apologize for that. And again, I’m not trying to paint you as a racist, but I still do feel that there are some racial implications in that initial statement.
by j-red on Aug 9, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there weren't
I appreciate your explanation. I don’t entirely agree with the thinking because it is flawed to a degree. A lot of what you are saying is based on corruption and possible racism at a higher level. Be mad at the system but it has nothing to do with me or my thoughts.
The bottom line is I dealt with what was right and what was wrong, lawful and unlawful. It didn’t concern anyone’s color. It was about dealing with the situation at hand and the facts. I never made a decision to do anything by taking ones race into consideration. Ever. The fact that I worked in an area dominated by low income housing ensurred the demographic make up of the people I dealt with regularly. It has nothing to do with racism on my part…..maybe on the part of the machine as a whole…..but that is another story altogether. and one that doesn’t concern my opinion. The system may be flawed and corrupt and racist, but it has nothing to do with my influence or actions.
I can test out my sociology degree a little and state that this is not a racial situation but one of poverty. Poverty breeds crime and the mentality that comes with it no matter what races are involved.
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I understand your position, but I want to be clear that I’ve not made any assumptions about your role as a police officer. I’m not trying to imply that you were one of the “bad” cops, and I’m not saying you approached your job with race in mind.
I fully agree on the last part – unfortunately, not everyone considers that; nor do they consider how poverty and race are connected in this country and why.
Anyways, I apologize for coming off as aggressive, or accusatory… thats something I still need to work on.
Angy-re-read what I wrote moron
It must be awesome to be able to monday morning quarter back from the saftey of a cubicle, never having to have been immersed in the type of situation one is second guessing.
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Wow. Name calling. Does it make you feel big?
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Considering you popped off and classified me as some out of control cop for my explanation about defending myself and not letting people get too close to me and you seem to generally have that feeling about authority as evidenced in your post above, yes, it makes me feel better. Thank you for asking.
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You don’t need to call anyone a moron to get your point across.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 7, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ll see what a ‘big fucking deal’ it is when you’re picking your teeth up out of the sidewalk my friend.
Or, you could DO YOUR DAMN JOB and arrest him for shoving you, and avoid the costs of litigation that will accompany you and your “brothers in blue” showing ONE GUY who PUSHES you WITH HIS HAND how much tougher FIVE OF YOU can be with CLUBS and TASERS.
if it was no big deal to shove a cop, then its a slippery slope and pretty soon its okay to punch one, kick one, spit on one, etc etc.
It’s also a pretty slippery slope when the people who enforce the law start deciding what laws to enforce, and how to enforce them, instead up simply upholding the law they have been hired, and sworn an oath to serve and protect.
That isn't how it works
This happened a couple weeks ago 30 minutes from Sean’s home in Los Angeles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeIxva5EMQ&feature=channel_video_title
Leather gloves.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 6, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if you are directing that to me, because I explained that zero tolerance on minor infractions sucked the motivation out of many guys, I did not imply that we decided not to do it. As a NY peace officer we had the lee way to deal with minor offenses in most cases as we saw fit…….summons, misdemeanor arrest or warn and admonish. Nothing corrupt about that.
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Discretion is a big part of their job.
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by nathansfamous on Aug 9, 2011 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
New York Rangers News: Sean Avery Posts Bail, What’s Next?
He breaks into the zoo, puts a saddle on a tiger and rides it into the sun.
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by Dig Deep on Aug 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the response here is just too funny
Ah Sean Avery he who put hands on a LEO and got arrested. So how shall we punish thee.
First Gary Bettman will have him tarred and feathered suspending Avery for the rest of his life
Second Bill Daly will have him working on some Georgia Chain gang (or worse traded to the Coyotes) then have him suspended for his afterlife
Third Brendan Shanahan impose a lifetime ban for when Avery is reincarnated in his next life
But what will Sather do? The same GM who signed a sex offender named Billy Tibbetts and helped Craig MacTavich when he was released from prison
He will give Avery a hug and say “Bad Sean Bad”
In other words the Rangers will not get a chance to impose any kind of sanctions the NHL will jump at the bit to send Avery to the death chamber for a lethal injection.
In other words the Rangers will not get a chance to impose any kind of sanctions the NHL will jump at the bit to send Avery to the death chamber for a lethal injection.
Or worse…force him to play for the islanders
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Why should the Islanders get punished
Other than their putrid jerseys
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
because they’re the islanders?
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Why should the Islanders get punished?
If it wasn’t the set up to your “putrid jersey” joke, this would qualify as the worst Internet question EVER. As a Ranger fan, appropriate punishment would be Al Gore coming to your house to lecture you in monotone for three hours while a Ranger game played in another room.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
I think we need to start finding a positive outlet for our offseason energy
Where’s the “Free Sean Avery” subtitle… or atleast some photoshop for Dig?
if by "free"
you mean “trade, cut, leave in sweden” then by all means lets do it
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Come on, it’s not like he’s gonna eat up 3.8 mil of our cap to sit in the press box of his 3rd team in 4 years.
Only 1.9.
We both know that Buck…
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He’s eluding to Wolski. You’re right that Avery will only cost 1.9 to sit the press box.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops my B!
Well, now I feel stupid.
Hangs head.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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So thats 5.7 mil sitting in the box :(
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His 1.9 is not movable, because it becomes 3.8 if you do.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 6, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
AHH!
So if we trade Avery he becomes Wolski?
:)
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It’s time to move on.
We have a bunch of solid youngsters who can easily replace Sean, for cheaper, with more potential to improve, who don’t cause distractions.
At this point, I would rather have Hagelin or the sleeper Ryan Bourque fill that bottom 6 slot.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, as in our prospect who is expected to play in Hartford this year.
#12 Carl Hagelin
by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Son of Ray Bourque
Here are his stats in the QMJHL
2009-10
GP G A P PIMS
44 19 24 43 20
2010-11
GP G A P PIMS
49 26 33 59 22
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 5, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No I know who he was but I hadn’t read any where that said he was likely to make the team or anything, I’m rooting for the kid though.
Oh, his chances of making the squad are virtually nonexistent.
I was trying to say that if contracts weren’t an issue, I would rather have him in the bottom 6 than Avery,
He is an underrated prospect.
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by The Blue Seats on Aug 6, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
we don’t need him on this team
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by Kevin Power on Aug 5, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sloppy seconds > the Avery Rule > hands on cop …
You guys may wonder what the Rangers should do with Avery, but I think the guy is hilarious! He has more personality than too many other hockey players. You should appreciate him for that. :)
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eh
I’m tired of his act and his play…he has no place on this team
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Don’t agree but thats ok 8k
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lol
ok…I just don’t see a role in which Avery is a productive member of the offense he can be easily replaced by younger players like Hagelin
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After this year I agree, but I believe as of now he’s a player that can still fill a role in the bottom six. With the additions of Rupp and Prust though, and an overall harder working and tougher team, he’s needed a lot less.
I still believe he can provide a jump for the team on certain nights, especially against the Devs.
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I agree.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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lets remember who this is
this is a guy that makes a living by talking shit to other nhl players. (ok hes a little talented too). im sure sean had every reason to push this pig. of course, that was after he called the cops mother a fat whore.
Because pushing a law enforcement officer who is just doing his job is the cool thing to do — right?
alright
i know a few cops and for the most part they are decent people with tough jobs. who opens a door, sees multiple cops, and pushes one of them unless theyre on pcp? it could have happened. but there is no way the lapd would ever let anything come out publicly that suggests their officers are doing anything wrong unless they had no choice. im just saying the cops did some stuff, avery did some stuff and what came out was avery doing some stuff. you cant see this happening?: cops knock on the door, avery opens his mouth, the cops feel disrespected so they approach him and try to enter his home, because they dont have a warrant avery says get out, the cop refuses, avery pushes him, avery realizes he just pushed a cop and surrenders.
by thenyrangers on Aug 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The nuance to Avery’s game is that when he talks shit he says it with such a straight faced dry delivery that it sounds so matter of fact that it pisses people off (or makes you laugh like a re-tard).
If I wasn’t such a dolt with technology I’d post a link to him ripping that Devil’s fan about his teeth. That was great.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Aug 6, 2011 7:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Avery deserves a roster spot on this team for the mere reason of what he said about Fatso refusing to shake his hand. He is a character, he does get a bad rap but I think we need a guy who is an agitator like him who draws penalties. If given time, Avery can put up decent numbers. OK, maybe we don’t need him, but I like him.
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Drawing penalties doesn’t do a lick of good if you’re taking just as many. Two years ago, Sean was valuable in this regard, he drew almost twice as many. Now it’s just about even, and Avery was the worst regular forward when it comes to that differential, both overall and per minute basis.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 6, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic.
George have you done any statistical analysis about Boyle and what we can expect from him this year?
I know it’s been discussed before, not sure if we’ve looked at the stats on it, or how you would, but I think alot of that was about how Torts was using Avery, and even more what Torts was expecting Avery to do or not to do.
IMO Torts started to tighten the screws on Avery more and more (I think it got really bad after the closed door meeting two seasons ago). For Avery to do what he does, he has to be chirping, he has to in someones face after the play, and he’s going to take penalties from time to time. Torts doesn’t like that kinda stuff, didn’t like Aves doing it, and essentially stopped it before it could really get under guys skin.
Sounds about right to me.
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Wolski Avery and yada yada yada
You can’t begin to compare Wolski’s point production to that of Dubinsky and Callahan because that is literally the ONLY thing Wolski brings. And it’s average, correction, sub standard at best. He has a poor work ethic and quite frankly if we wanted a player that produces at his numbers, we could have just signed Zherdev again, for cheaper no less, who can skate and stickhandle a thousand times better.
I think while people are trying to compare police situations with other situations that occur in other neighborhoods and other sports, there is 1 major glaring aspect that everyone seems to dismiss or ignore. This happened in Hollywood Hills. Let me repeat that. This happened in Hollywood Hills. If you honestly think that any law enforcement officer is going to show a single ounce of attitude to ANYONE in that part of LA, you seriously need to do homework on the location. Given his history, the location and the fact he hasn’t denied any wrongdoing should lead you to a logical conclusion.
I also don’t understand the rational that this somehow embarrasses the team. How? We’ve had him on the roster how long now? But because of this 1 incident, it NOW becomes an embarrassment? The moment we took him off waivers from Dallas, was the moment we omitted ourselves from ever being allowed to stake that claim in reference to anything Avery does.
Agreed. My point exactly. The police knew who owns that house, and yes, I am sure him being in HH would make the police a little more tolerant. Remember, the police went back there for a second time.
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by nathansfamous on Aug 7, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery is a skidmark on the underpants of society.
Can we please just get rid of this DEAD WEIGHT?! He’s wasting a roster spot and cap space.
DAMN
Im a big fan of Avery’s,I hope this blows over.I hate seeing wysh of puckdaddy get to gloat and write about this,devil lovin’ summinab……..
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