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New York Rangers News: Reviewing The Marc Staal Injury Situation

NEW YORK, NY - APRIL 17:  Marc Staal #18 of the New York Rangers celebrates with teammates on the bench after Vaclav Prospal #20 scored a goal in the third period in Game Three of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals during the 2011 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at Madison Square Garden on April 17, 2011 in New York City.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

Yesterday we reported that Marc Staal was being held out of scrimmaging due to post-concussion syndrome. Shortly after it was announced, John Tortorella spoke to the media and said that Staal was feeling better, but the New York Rangers were still being extremely cautious with their superstar defenseman. 

This news is starting to send the Rangers' fanbase into a panic; and I've already seen some people start to question the decision not to target a veteran defenseman during free agency. 

First of all, let's back off the ledge a little bit. Obviously post-concussion syndrome is bad, especially with the Marc Savard and Sidney Crosby situations unfolding this offseason; but it's not the end of the world. The way you avoid further head injuries (and potentially damaging careers) is by taking a significantly cautious approach. Which happens to be exactly what the Rangers are doing right now. 

Join me after the jump for more. 

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Andrew Gross had more from Tortorella yesterday. 

Tortorella said he expects Staal to be ready for the regular-season opener against the Kings on Oct. 7 in Stockholm, Sweden but Staal will not play in at least the first three preseason games, all in North America. Tortorella hopes to get Staal into one of the four European preseason games.

"He's progressing nicely," Tortorella said. "We just want to be cautious and get him ready for the regular season. The past four days he's feeling better during workouts. We want him to feel better consistently," Tortorella added. "He could have contact. We're holding him out. In the summertime, when he was ramping up his workouts, he started feeling it."

Tortorella described the headaches as "nothing really debilitating but it was still there."

The Rangers can't really afford to play games with this situation, it truly has to be handled the right way. Understand that the only reason why it's even remotely possible that Mike Sauer, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto and Tim Erixon can make up the bottom four members of the Rangers' defensive corps is because of Staal. Staal and Girardi can play 20+ minutes a night if need be, and Staal is an all-situation defenseman. 

So why would the Rangers take a chance during games that don't matter? I understand that it might seem suspicious and worrisome that the Rangers are keeping him from the scrimmages and first few games of the preseason, but it's a necessary precaution. 

Both Staal and Sauer are improving, according to Tortorella. That's a good thing. It should also be noted that Staal passed a baseline neurology test before he returned after the initial injury last year. So as of right now, and there is no reason to assume otherwise, the Rangers are taking a very careful approach to the situation, and there is no real reason for concern. 

We'll keep an eye on this story as things progress, but for now all signs are pointing to this being a non-story. 

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No more feeling sorry for ourselves about this.

The Penguins made the playoffs without Malkin and Crosby. Torts will figure out a way to compensate because he’s a good coach and this team is talented. Key is getting Staal healthy longer term.

Having Staal miss the first ten games of the season is not the end of the world. Its going to force MDZ and Erixon to put on their big boy pants and Sather to possibly work his magic to bring in a guy who can play 2nd pair minutes.

I don’t know who will be paired with Girardi to go against the Ducks big line in the opener. But this team is going to roll three lines with offensive talent and a damn good 4th line. That’s not such a bad proposition in my book.

by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Sep 19, 2011 6:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I know its early

But I’m sure Joe wrote that Marc will be available for the season opener, you’re just jumping to the worst case scenario immediately

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by Kevin Power on Sep 19, 2011 7:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In fact

Tortorella wants to get Staal into one of the first four preseason games.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 19, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means

that with all the injuries last season and already this season (staal, sauer, anisimov (i guess) Prust, etc..) and what you can assume will be more once the season starts, it’s time to stop making excuses and wondering “why us?” becuase we have the talent/skill/experience on this team to carry on without certain players.

Let’s face it; our best players are fragile; dealing with injuries is part of being a Ranger fan. Let’s win anyway.

by Town on Sep 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not too worried. I just would rather see staal in action sooner than later but I would hate if this turns into a savard situation but that can’t happen If he doesnt play.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 19, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Savard got multiple concussions in a short period of time

including a concussion while he had a concussion. Which is exactly why the Rangers are being so cautious.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 19, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on this?

You hear mostly of forwards being concussed after taking hits to the head and such. Does anyone think that with him being a defenseman he will lay off throwing full hits and therefore make his play less physical and in turn less affective? If it stays in the back of his mind that he may do further damage to himself by hitting, will this affect his physical style of play? Will he shy away from contact from guys like Ovechkin in turn opening more ice for these bigger physical forwards. I know you guys has said it’s nothing to worry about yet but I wonder how Marc feels mentally abut throwing his body around ?

Again, any thoughts on this?

by l.whit7873 on Sep 19, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Eh I don't think it matters if he's a defensemen

Brent Seabrook came back from 2 concussions hitting everything that moved. I really depends on how strong he is mentally, I think, and I don’t think it’ll slow Staal down.

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by justforkicks on Sep 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Its not position specific. Its a player-by-player basis. But I am very curious to see how Crosby responds when he comes back. He is not a physical powerhouse but he gets involved and I am curious to see if he is less effective or changes his game. Lindros was never the same after his concussion.

But I had the same thoughts as greifi griffie below. Somehow the ball was dropped. Either Marc didn’t report all his symptoms or symptoms were missed. Or his concussion symptoms were atypical (not sure if there is typical in concussions) and his symptoms manifested over the summer rather than directly after the hit.

by truebluesince75 on Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

See I don't necessarily think it means the ball was dropped

Post concussion symptoms don’t always manifest right after the concussion – which is why concussions/post concussion symptoms are so hard to diagnose and determine if a person is 100% healed. Could Marc or the training staff have dropped the ball? Sure. But I think its just as likely that all sides did the right thing, but unfortunately Marc started feeling the pain later – I mean who knows maybe he bumped his head and it all came back. Just don’t know, but I don’t want to point the finger at the team or players for not doing the right thing unless I know for sure that is the case.

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by justforkicks on Sep 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait a second here

How is it that Staal suffered this concussion in February and did not miss a game after the injury? And now months later he is still suffering its effects….why the silence on Staal’s injury during the season? And who kept letting Staal play in a diminished condition?

And does it bother anyone else that similar miscommunications arose around Gaborik’s concussion last season? Gabby played a game or two after his injury before shutting it down for a while.

Nice that the medical staff can miss this stuff….or the coaching staff….hope this cloud does not linger over the start of the Ranger season.

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by greifi griffie on Sep 19, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

Staal passed a baseline neurology test before he returned after the injury. If he happened to feel these effects last year they would have shut him down I’m sure.

Doctors still don’t fully understand concussions, and it’s possible that he was fine all last year and just started experiencing some headaches this offseason. But he was never played while he had a concussion.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’m buying that one, Joe….I don’t see how it’s possible for a guy to suffer post-concussion syndrome without suffering a concussion. And considering the importance of Staal and Gaborik to the overall Ranger team, it seems like a bit of due diligence was lacking on someone’s part. We all saw our Staal get trashed by his bro—and we all knew Marc was shaken badly by the hit….

Hockey players are a tough breed—maybe too tough for their own good. Both Staal and Gabby were lacing the skates up and playing while they had head injuries, and that’s not good business sense on anybody’s part. The players themselves along with the Ranger coaches and medical staff need to get on the same page and realize brain injuries can’t be trifled with.

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by greifi griffie on Sep 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did suffer a concussion

But he passed baseline neurology tests before he came back FROM the concussion.

Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.

"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII

"Tortorelli sounds like a kind of pasta… an unforgiving, stubborn, chewy, flavorless pasta that demands ‘jam’ from other pastas." - Dig Deep

by Joe Fortunato on Sep 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not all the staffs fault. IF staal never says “hey my head hurts” how is the medical staff going to know anything is wrong with him. Staal is a tough kid. I’m assuming growing up with brothers nd everyone loving hockey probably influenced that. This is why the Guy wears an A and almost wore a C in some fans eyes. There not mind readers. Staal knew that his team needed him and although he might not be a good outspoken leader like calli …you can obviously tell he has a ton of heart in him and would practically do anything for the team. Maybe not blocking rocket launcher shots from chara or constant blullets like girardi is just not his thing :)

by XxC17xX on Sep 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He had a concussion and returned after passing the baseline test - I believe he actually missed 3 days

not enough is known about concussions to say whether or not he still should have been held back or if more had to be checked. But looks like due diligence was done at the time

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by justforkicks on Sep 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing is typical in concussions

As far as I understand it, nothing is standard in concussions, including disease progression, healing, and symptomatology. Staal could of been relatively symptom free after his hit and only suffered symptoms months later in the off-season.

That aside, and this is based on nothing, but my gut says Staal lied a bit to stay in the line-up. In the olden days, getting your bell rung was a fact of the game and players played through it. Not saying its wise, but these guys are proud, and in Staal’s case, he is young and probably thinks he is invincible.

Plus, who wants to admit their brother injured them.

by truebluesince75 on Sep 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concussions

As far as diagnosing a grade one concussion, there isn’t really a way for the trainers or medical staff to determine anything from a scan or neurological test. It’s up to the player to admit he is feeling certain symptoms and most guys just think the symptoms will go away after a couple of days. If they are still feeling the affects days later, that’s when they go to a trainer and and that’s when they get pulled out of games. It’s a huge reason why these injuries are often reoccurring and so dangerous

by trav c on Sep 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not for one second

Let me know how that works out for you . . .

by SimpleManiac on Sep 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea missed him earlier today…..but I think my scope was off, I’ve adjusted it now.

;)

by teknics on Sep 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Llllmmmmmffffaaaaooooo

by XxC17xX on Sep 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Malik might be available somewhere……..it’s actually a pretty good chance he is available

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by earthworm on Sep 19, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but for a guy that good

You’re going to get into a bidding war. I’m thinking between 8-9 million a year, and at least a five-year del for him. Did you see that shootout shot against the Capitals? Throw in another year for that period.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I complained about that hit...

… when it happened. I remember saying it was unnecessary (especailly from his brother). I understand that it was a clean hit at the time, but still uncalled for.

My question is, how and why did Staal play the rest of the season and playoffs? That’s crazy to me.

by one-bar on Sep 19, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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