Marc Staal
by stepan21 on Sep 20, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
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PrintTo me the hit that Eric threw on Marc was completely clean. I'm not happy it happened obviously, but it happened. I've heard a few opinions saying that is was,"dirty", "unneccessary", and "disrespectful". I think it was neither if them. I just thought it was a solid hit. The fact that it was his own brother makes it a little weird, but just imagine the conversations during Christmas dinner. Wow, that'd be something. I also think that Staal will be fine, but if they do I think Paul Mara would be a solid signing. He knows the team a bit and he's a likeable guy. However, I think we should be fine. I think Staal will end up having his best season yet with the improved team. I say he puts up 30-35 points and top 5 in minutes. Anyone else besides me think he's a top 10 d-man?
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top 10 d man in the league? absolutely not. top 20 maybe, definitely top 25 though. My top 10 d man in the league in no order is:
Weber
Lidstrom (yes even at his age)
Doughty
Pronger
Chara
Keith
Streit
Seabrook
Suter
Yandle
Very tough time making this list also.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Good list. I’d say Staal is definitely top 20. He’s one of the top shutdown guys, but overall all the guys you mentioned are better.
Although, Pronger has slowed down a lot and I need to see Streit healthy first.
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 21, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
DEFINITELY top 20, but I agree not top 10 yet, at least until he starts to contribute offensively like a Duncan Keith can.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to disagree with your list...
but Staal is better than Suter and Streit. Yandle’s an offensive D, as is Doughty, so the category is a little askewed. Lidstrom is THE best of that group, even at 41. Pronger has dipped in the past two years and Seabrook is Girardi without the shot.
Lidstrom
Weber
Chara
Doughty
Keith
Staal
Yandle
Seabrook
Girardi (who is better than Streit)
Suter
Pronger
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Girardi is not in that list not by a long shot, maybe top 25 but not top 10. Staal you can make an argument for if your looking at purely defensive abilities but offensively hes not their either. And an overall Dman needs offense. I think the original list RTGS posted is pretty accurate.
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you, but IF the basis of your list is on offense, Girardi does belong there ahead of Suter and Seabrook.
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Suter is better all around than Girardi, it’s not even close.
by KingHenrik on Sep 21, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uhhhh, no.
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Seriously, Girardi’s a fine player, but he doesn’t belong in this discussion.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 23, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What world are you living in?
Girardi is a fine Dman but not in Sutewr’s league. Girardi’s foot speed is his biggest issue, and as the years go by I could see him being surpassed as the second best dman to being the 4th best dman.
Anyone that thinks Girardi is better than Suter
is either the biggest homer to ever live or a thundering idiot.
The list isn’t based on offense, the list is based on OVERALL Dman. In that case neither Staal or Girardi belong on it. But you can make a case for Staal on a purely Defensive list, and if you make a purely offensive list Girardi still doesn’t make it because you have the likes of Green, Subban, ect that would be ahead of him.
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 22, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Subban is becoming a Sean Avery on D, and that is propelling him into that top 10. Green…really? He was nowhere on the list, and he’s a dynamic offensive defenseman.
So does this mean that WE ARE talking about Girardi as a defensive defenseman? Because if so, then your argument is flawed. Girardi has already put himself into the top 10 defensively, especially since he’s now outplaying Pronger (and he is), and Suter has the benefit of playing racking up points and plus/minus from (oh, yeah) Weber. Girardi isn’t getting points from Staal scoring at will; so, it’s all his own production. Let’s be honest here…Girardi has put himself on that list.
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If I am correct you believe Girardi is a top offensive Dman? if so Green, Subban, Pronger, and Weber all belong above him as well as many others. Girardi is nowhere near a top 10 offensive Dman. Defensively he is super solid but still not Top 10. I don’t where you get the idea he is better than Suter because he is most definitely not.
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 23, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Girardi belongs nowhere on this list
….at all
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by Tripodi on Sep 22, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Staal is definitely not better than Suter. The advanced stats have Suter as (at worst) Weber’s equal at ES.
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t put Streit in there since he was injured all year – he might make it back in that list depending on this year.
Suter and Yandle are definitely top players, but I’d take Staal over them from a defensive standpoint (no homer).
Doughty is debatable to me… I think he has more potential, but right now Staal is a better Dman.
As for Pronger, I think his skills have drastically fallen off in the past year and a half. I honestly feel that Staal is a better player right now.
I agree with everyone else on that list.
Disagree
Staal is excellent in his own end but he doesn’t control a game like Pronger does. Pronger missed 30+ games and had nearly as many points as Staal. Pronger is great on the pp while Staal really is pretty bad. Pronger is getting old but he’s still better than Staal.
Staal's never been up for the Norris and Doughty already has
Doughty’s a better dman as is Yandle and Suter. I think you’re being a bit of a homer.
disagree
with you about Suter. I love Suter but he’s not as good as Staal. Maybe he’s overshadowed by Weber, but Staal plays as the team’s #1 d-man on a very good defensive team. He’s easily the best on the team. I also take him ahead of Streit.
Letang
Yandle
Seabrook
Green
Staal
Doughty
Keith
Weber
Chara
Lidstrom
Future in the top 10… John Carlson, Erik Gudbrandson, Larsson( Devils pick) and Erixon?
Way too early to say about the last three but man Carlson has some awesome potential, especially when you consider how well rounded he is.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 21, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Karlsson shouldn’t even be in the conversation, he really isn’t even that much better of a defenseman than MDZ at this point in their careers. Byfuglien on the the other hand defenitly is dynamic on the back end, but I think a guy like Jack Johnson should be up there if were talking about future potential.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Karlsson is an allstar that has to count for something against MDZ no? lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant that Karlsson is not significantly better than MDZ, they’re both Offensively minded d-men and who, as of now, are not very good at defending. One big edge that MDZ has, Karlsson IMO will never be able to match, is physicality. MDZ will hit, even if they are miss-timed or bad decisions. Karlsson will never be physical imposing whatsoever, which gives MDZ a big edge.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, but Karlsson has the shot
Something MDZ does not have.
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by The Blue Seats on Sep 23, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Karlsson is really good offensive dman
but has issues in his own zone. He is better than MDZ now and has more potential too. His plus minus numbers are gonna look bad the next few years because he’s on a dreadful team.
Karlsson on same level on MDZ?
please pass me whatever u are smoking? id give up MDZ for carslon in half a heartbeat. id also let the senators GM fuck my gf
45 points, 21 years old, 23 minutes a game
and yes -30 but he’s on a dreadful team and hes only 21. I see him improving on D but he’s a offensive defenseman and I say he becomes a 55-60 point PP QB.
None in my either. Suter’s really, really good.
My only issue with Richie’s list was Seabrook & Streit. Not that they’re necessarily worse than Staal, but it’s close enough that I’d want to think about it more.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 22, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how much you've seen of Suter
but he’s clearly the better overall Dman. Staal is in the top twenty not top ten.
i have seen a lot of suter actually but my unbiased opinion is staal is a clearly better defender. maybe not points wise but we are talking about shut down d man….no one shuts down Ovy like staal
Look in your own division (Kimmo Timonen, anybody the Isles throw out there) before looking outside.
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by red army line on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, though he’s not as good now as he was in, say, 2009.
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by red army line on Sep 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I would say its arguable who shuts down ovechkin the best. But Staal is definitely in that discussion as well Kimmo should be. The one thing that Staal has on a lot of players is that he’s young and the best of his career is still to come.
by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Which was only 1 year ago
Staal is still young and defensemen usually take longer to hit their prime, so I’m sure he still will improve as a player, he just didn’t have as good of a year last year as he did in 09.
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even if Staal is better than Suter in his own end, and I disagree with that Suter’s a better all around player.
Green cannot play defense. enough said. I would not want him on my team if he’s just going to hang. Letang is good but not that good. If staal was better offensively i would see an argument for him but right now there is none to be made.
I think it’s going to be MCDONAGH not Staal (well maybe Staal eventually) that makes this list in the future.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 23, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like plus/minus as statistic personally. Marek Malik led the league one year in that category which shows it’s complete bullshit.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all about results, right? Plus minus shows results. Green has been getting amazing results.
If you think he’s terrible defensively, either
a) Ovechkin, Backstrom, Schultz, and Morrisonn (aka 3rd pair D Green made look like top pair for two years) have been carrying him defensively (insert Ovechkin plays defense joke here)
b) He’s so amazing offensively he makes up for it and outweighs any defiency he has on defense, which makes the relevant question how he’s used instead of how good he is
c) The Capitals get ultra-lucky with Green on the ice.
And those don’t explain his strong PK results.
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyway, point being, you can’t get a high plus minus unless your team is very, very dominant (no team is nowadays) or you can play both sides of the puck (except in rare cases, like Jeff Schultz, who very frequently took to the ice with the Caps’ four “young guns”).
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is also the fact that he plays every (If not most) PP shifts his team gets. Generally speaking, your PP will always score more goals than your PK unit will give up. So if green plays both than he’s getting more of a +even if he does both.
I don’t know the stats on this but if Green is on the ice with Ovi, Semin, and Backstrom most of the time his +/- would soar due to the fact how high scoring those 3 are and how high scoring that team is in general.
The Caps I think best way they play defense is playing a great offense. By that I mean keeping the the puck in the opposing DZ and having a big time of possesion simply cycling through passes and taking shots on the opposing goalie. You see what I mean? They play so much in the opponents DZ that they never are forced back and play solid D in their own zone.
If Green was on the Rangers or any other team I think his flaws on defense would stick out more but would still have good not great numbers offensively that he has in Washington. I think Green’s flaws are being covered up by the fact that Washington has the ability to put up 5 goals a night against any team in the league. But now that Boudreau has taken a more defensive stance maybe Green’s defense will improve. We’ll find out.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 23, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is also the fact that he plays every (If not most) PP shifts his team gets. Generally speaking, your PP will always score more goals than your PK unit will give up. So if green plays both than he’s getting more of a +even if he does both.
PPGF and PKGA don’t count towards plus-minus. In fact, that hurts him, since the Capitals tend to give up shorties and not score all that many themselves.
The Caps I think best way they play defense is playing a great offense. By that I mean keeping the the puck in the opposing DZ and having a big time of possesion simply cycling through passes and taking shots on the opposing goalie. You see what I mean? They play so much in the opponents DZ that they never are forced back and play solid D in their own zone.
Isn’t this good defense? Score more than your opponents.
Also, not really true. Capitals have been a “meh” possession team the last two seasons (though elite the two previous years).
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t this good defense? Score more than your opponents.
Uh no. Just means you scored more than you opponents.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Sep 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he doesn't get maligned enough by the media about his defense
please. He gets crapped on nightly.
by graves9 on Sep 24, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No love for Dan Boyle over in SJ? I would take him over a few of the guys on that list.
by EricBrat20 on Sep 21, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
forgot about him a bit. I gave him consideration but he was very borderlined. I included Pronger only because until he really falls off the map you cant take him off the list.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 23, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Because listing is fun, even if meaningless at the end of the day
Lidstrom
Chara
Keith
Green
Suter
Weber
Letang
Doughty
Carle
Boyle
(leaving off Pronger and Streit due to injury concerns)
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by red army line on Sep 23, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really hoping you didn't put Matt Carle there...
Matt friggin Carle? Give me a break.
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I’m really really impressed. He has PP1-caliber puck moving ability (at least at ES), he’s shown he can play defense, and I can’t really think of anyone else. Burns, for example, has always played with defensive studs, and same with Robidas and Seabrook. I’d like to see one more year of Yandle, too.
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by red army line on Sep 26, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The hit was clean BUT unnecessary or excessive IMO because when you watch it Marc has his head down, which Eric clearly notices and instead of laying a hip into him he chooses to hit him as hard as he possibly can, which while in itself isnt that egregious but disrespectful. Eric could have hit Mark half as hard and accomplished the same thing for himself and his team. The situation didn’t require a Scottie Stevens leveling in order for Eric to come out on top/with the puck.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Sep 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
I agree. That’s what I said in the game recap the night it happened. It was a clean hit, but definitely unnecessary. He could have knocked him off the puck by targeting his shoulder/hip, but the final outcome was a shot to the neck/head area. I understand, that’s hockey, but the fact that he purposely loaded up to take his brother’s head off through everyone for a loop (including the players on the ice).
Eric did what every hockey player is taught to do. Marc payed the price. Eric’s contact didn’t cause the concussion, it was Marc’s head hitting the ice IMO after watching it again a few times
by Michael Tricario on Sep 21, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
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i totally agree with you. i believe it was a clean hit and although i would ratehr it not happened, if i was playing my brother i would hit him every chance i get. having said that i wouldnt try to injure him, but i would def try to be better and it was an unfortunate incident where Marc got hurt. But like was said before he got the cuncussion from hitting the ice, not from the hit. I have a great respect for Eric Staal, he is a tremendous hockey player and i dont think he is even close to be considered a dirty player.
Forget this debate............did someone actually say they thought Paul Mara would be a good signing?
He absolutely sucks the big one. He is slow, and for a big man he’s a bit soft. Also, do you guys remember a scrum between the Devils and Rangers when Mike Rupp was on their team? He got right in Mara’s face and clear as day calls him a fucking pussy. It was like middle school man….I thought Mara was gonna cry and wet himself.
I don’t want that shit on this team. I don’t know about you guys but after twenty years I’ve had it up to here with soft, useless, over-the-hill defensmen.
Stay away from Paul Mara.
I don’t care who they get, if heaven forbid Staal can’t play for a long stretch, but don’t let it be Mara.
I do remember this. Mara does suck.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Sep 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Mara came back early from Kaleta breaking his fucking face
far from a pussy.
by graves9 on Sep 24, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you on that front, graves9
that was cool that he came back early, but I just think he’s a major step down on D for us. If Staal can’t play, I think this guy Brendan Bell could step in.
Not saying I want him back
just saying he’s not a puss. Agree on Bell. He looked good tonight and moved the puck smoothly.
This might be a stretch but guys...
One has failed to mention the name Bret Burns. Anyone think he’s got a shot at being in the top 10? Maybe not now but i wouldn’t be surprised if 1 or 2 years frrom now he’s mentioned.
Agreed.
He’s just gotta stay healthy, him and Dan Boyle in SJ should be some nice work.
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Him and Danny B will form an amazing power play.
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