The Rehab of Glen Sather's Image, Part 1
by poploser on Jan 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST
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Print"Glen finally convinced everyone that that’s the way to go,” Schoenfeld said. “He kind of wanted to start from scratch when he first came to New York.”
Oh, so that was the problem! Poor Sather was brought in, wanted to change the NYR culture of high spending and low resulting, but NO ONE LISTENED TO HIM! He just wanted to draft some quality young products, but They wanted Bobby Holik! They went out, hired a hall of famer, and then ignored him! This explains it!
Mirtle didn't include the rest of Schoenfeld's quote, but I managed to make it up:
"In fact, I remember how Glen cried when told he had no choice but to sign Dave Karpa in 2001," Schoenfeld said, his voice cracking with emotion.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/broadway-blueprint-has-rangers-riding-high/article2302669/
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Hah, I clicked the link when you posted it and the bottom read:
It’s only fitting, however, that the lone Rangers skater who will take part in the all-star game later this month is unheralded defenceman Dan Girardi and not one of the high-paid hired guns.
Was about to go off in the comments but refreshed and they corrected it to:
It’s only fitting, however, that one of the Rangers who will take part in the all-star game later this month is unheralded defenceman Dan Girardi and not another high-paid hired gun.
As far as I'm concerned...
He’ll always just be the mutt who traded Brian Leetch. Don’t care that we got Sauer because of that trade. Sooner he’s gone the better.
The only way Sather is gone is when he croaks. Guess what buddy he will still be here. I didn’t like it when he traded Leetch either, but now he is o.k.
by NYR #35 Richter on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
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He ran this team in the ground for years before real hockey types came in and got the ship turned around.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Jan 14, 2012 6:32 PM EST via Android app reply actions
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I’ve said this a year back or so, but he should only be allowed to trade as a GM. Leave signings and drafting to his assistants.
by Rob L on Jan 14, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh please, you all crack me up. I’ve always thought the Sather haters were being sort of childish.
He’s done a great job. Give credit where credit is due.
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by voice22 on Jan 14, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ever since Gordie Clark took over the Rangers drafting, we've actually drafted good players
Unlike when Sather was in charge. He’s done horribly, but the past 2-3 years he’s done a lot better, and his trades are always good.
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2 playoff series wins in 10 years is below mediocrity. Its not a great job.
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he also got us the only Cup I have seen and the only one in 70+ years. results matter. and while it’s true that Sather inherited Smith’s situation it is also true that Sather’s record for drafting and signing FAs was terrible continuing a post Cup trend. it was only recently when relinquished responsibilities to other hockey personnel that the trend has been reversed.
Neil Smith was under tremendous pressure to win more Cups, the Garden and team was being sold at the time, and having a Championship-caliber team would help increase it’s value.
There is not one Ranger fan who was over the age of 18 in 1994 who wouldn’t have traded it all for one Cup, and we got it. Neil Smith and Mike Keenan succeeded where scores of GM’s and coaches had failed. None of us, fans, players, coaches, front office, gave a crap about 1995 and beyond in 1994.
You can’t eat the bacon if you’re going to get all uppity about how the pig was slaughtered.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s just tough seeing how they traded Tony Amonte, Mike Gartner, and Sergei Zubov (a year or 2 after though). Would’ve been great to keep them if we could’ve, but for a 94 cup, I’d do it all over again.
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Anyone would do that.
Going through the trades though the Zubov one turned out really bad with Robitaille absolutely sucking. We coulda gone farther in 96’ and 97’ if we don’t trade Zubov. Stupidest trade ever. Now if it was just Nedved for Samuellson it’s a different story. It isn’t great but it’s more bearable. I still don’t like he gave up on Nedved at that time.
Gartner for Anderson was another head scratcher. I’m sure we still coulda won the cup (maybe even easier) if we had Gartner as opposed to Anderson. Smith said Gartner wasn’t a good playoff performer but he was just fine in 92’.
Tony Amonte i’m not as bitter about as it takes Mattaeu’s to win stanley cups. Not to mention Brian Noonan was pretty solid in our playoff run.
I’m also bitter about the Nortsrom Ferraro for Mcsorley and Jari Kurri. Norstrom was awesome. This trade has Messier written all over it.
Sandstrom and granato for Nicholls was awful. But that brought us Messier so it doesn’t sting as much.
Going back before smith’s time the Bobby Carpenter trade sucked.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
the post Cup trades were different and ridiculous. trading Zubov was insane. Messier thought he was extremely soft and would never hold up over time as Messier had everyone’s ear in the organization when it came to player moves. guess he was wrong and why I’m not so quick to make him a GM now (look at Yzerman and that disaster in TB). I had no problem with the Gartner trade as Mike had a long history of playoff futility (Anderson had some big goals in the playoffs if you recall). Gartner was the Kevin McReynolds of hockey (piling up less than important stats a good portion of the time).
Don't blame Yzerman for that
I mean give him some credit, they were 1 goal away from the Stanley Cup finals last year. This year is really due to some bad injuries on defense on an already somewhat weak defense corp, and 2 old below average goalies.
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last year? Yzerman had zero to do with the personnel on that team. they got lucky with a 40 year old goalie that is killing them now. they are a mess right now.
He hired the coaching staff and made some trades that had the team poised for a playoff run. This year a lot of it is players underachieving a lot (Purcell, Malone, Moore, Hedman, Brewer, Roloson), injuries on defense to a defense that doesn’t have much depth, they aren’t getting secondary scoring whatsoever from their guys that aren’t playing top minutes, and then their goalies are pretty bad. I’d say it’s a mess, not his fault, but he will have to do something to clean it up.
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lol...
I’m not getting “uppity” I’m just trying to explain why it took Sather pretty long to right the ship. He needed two rebuilds…before and after the Jagr plan didn’t work. I’m more frustrated with Jagr for bailing out than I am with Sather.
There was also a major change in league rules and, as you know, a new contract with the player’s association that included a salary cap.
And Sather was also under pressure to produce an immediate cup. We can complain about his drafting, but the Rangers have long been middle of the pack with their drafts and haven’t had the luxury of snagging an Ovy, a Crosby or a Stamkos.
A lot of Smith’s worst sins occurred after the cup. There is a reason why no other club has let him touch their payroll since he left us in the ditch.
But, yea, I’ll thank him, Keenan, the ownership, your grandmother and everyone in the bar with me the night they clinched for ’94.
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I didn’t necessarily mean you, and I just like the word “uppity”
By the way, don’t blame Neil Smith for trading Gartner, blame the guy with the Number 11 hanging from the Garden rafters. Despite how nostalgic he gets about Gartner when the camera is on, he wanted nothing to do with him.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
You have to give credit to Smith and Keenan for building a cup winner in 1994. But you have to lay the blame for the awful teams from 2000 to the lockout on Neil Smith and his awful draft record.
I feel the reason Sather had to sign every over the hill free agent from the beginning of his time with the Rangers until the Lockout was due to two reasons.
1 – Smith’s draft record was abysmal. Look at the Rangers’ drafts from 1995 – 2000, he was barely able to draft players that would even become NHL journeyman much less dependable players that you could add to a decent NHL squad. Other than Marc Savard (who was turned into Lundmark, oh the horror!) Smith and his staff were disasters in the draft during that time.
2 – When Sather took over the Rangers, UFAs were 31 and older thanks to the old CBA, so, if you wanted free agents, you had to gamble on older players. As we all know, every single one of those FAs was a flop. Thanks to Smith’s six years of poor drafts, the Rangers farm system was devoid of assets. They couldn’t promote players and they certainly had very little to deal for new players, so the only available route to add players was the very risky FA route.
Thanks. I agree with this. Also, nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that half of the Rangers cup team were Sather’s players from Edmonton…give me a break. Sather has already gotten us one cup and now he’s put us in a position to not only get another but to have an elite team long after he retires. He’s created a system.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I was surprised that Schoenfeld didn’t feel the cap was what changed things for them. That whole core they drafted (aside from Lundqvist) started in 2004 right with the lockout.
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