Dolan Speaks
by Chris015 on Jan 18, 2012 9:46 AM EST
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This is my first post but I figured this was worth mentioning here on BB. Following the Rangers win over the Predators Tuesday night, James Dolan spoke about the Rangers chances of winning the cup this season. The link to the article can be found here: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=612291
I found it interesting that this was the first time, according to the article, that Dolan spoke to the New York Rangers media since the 2005-06 hockey season. I personally would have liked him to just remain in the background for I am not one for championship predictions at the halfway point of a season. I really applaud Torts for how he responded to Dolan's quote when asked about it, reiterating his point of view that the team must take the year one game at a time in order to be successful.
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I posted this in one of the other threads too. Dolan needs to sit down and shut the fuck up. Hopefully he doesn’t take enough of an interest to start affecting the team the way he has shitballed the Knicks.
exactly what i’m scared of. He’s the kind of guy who would ship off our entire prospect farm for Iginla’s last 2 or 3 good years of hockey. Its a good thing that for now he has no idea who iginla is
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by Scratch and Snif on Jan 18, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how Dolan gets blamed for the Knicks,
but what I really think it is is they he is just a loyal owner, obviously sometimes to a fault. If you have a good front office, Dolan is a great owner because he gives freedom and lots of rope to his executives. Some people will have you think he forced the Melo trade, ignoring the fact that Donnie Walsh openly talked about bringing in 2 or more superstars pretty much from day 1. It’s all about who is running the show with Dolan.
Dolan is to blame for the Knicks, dude.....
Isiah Thomas. Stephon Marbury’s $22m annual salary. Signing Allan Houston to a massive extension after he was no longer able to even step on an NBA court as a player anymore, then refusing to cut him when the league gave the team the opportunity to do so. Trading Latrell Sprewell and Marcus Camby because they did not show up for media training.
And let us not forget that he allowed a culture of sexual harassment to exist in the Knicks’ front office…..and then foolishly went to court to contest a suit that his lawyers advised him to settle out of court, which ended up costing him an extra $10 million.
Yeah, it is probably the players’ fault with the Knicks…you are right.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 19, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it is probably the players’ fault with the Knicks…you are right.
Well, on the most basic level, sure it is their fault, they were the ones who played the games and, ultimately lost them, a lot of them. However, nowhere in my very short, and easy to read paragraph will you find anything that blames the players over the last decade. Everything you listed in the first paragraph was something decided on by the GM. James Dolan doesn’t sign or trade players. He writes checks.
As for sexual harassment or foolishly going to court, I literally have no idea how this is even the tiniest bit relevant. Sure, he may be a douchebag, but that is hardly what is being argued here. I don’t see how allowing a culture of sexual harassment (which is a laughable way to put it), is relevant to the basketball team he puts together.
My point is a very, very simple one, perhaps even simple enough for a person like you to comprehend, somebody who wrote 2 paragraphs arguing against a point that nobody ever made, using apples to proves oranges, and it is that Dolan is as good an owner as the GM he has running the show. He doles out cash and he lets these guys do their jobs, good or bad. Like I said, his main fault is being too loyal. Isiah should have been fired much sooner, this much we all know, but amazing how when Donnie Walsh was running the team all of the sudden Dolan looks like a better owner.
by nrmax88 on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dolan is a bad owner regardless of who is running the show. Bad owners pull idiotic stunts like he did the other day, suddenly announcing that the Rangers were Cup-ready after being an absentee owner for the team for years.
Bad owners also get into needless disputes with the people that they deal with, and Dolan has been that in spades. His current dispute with Time Warner is robbing millions of loyal fans of their access to their favorite teams….and since sports is ostensibly Dolan’s product, he is also being a bad owner by preventing coverage of his product.
Despite your epic run-on sentence in your third paragraph, you headlined your post with the words “Funny how Dolan gets blamed for the Knicks, but….”—and you then attempt to excuse his own lameness by insisting that the reason why James Dolan is a crappy owner is that he is too loyal. I would use the word lazy instead of loyal to describe this chump.
Lastly, as the owner of a business, he is responsible for permitting a climate of sexual harassment to grow around the Knicks’ front office. Don’t really know how it’s not relevant to an argument that Dolan is an incompetent owner, as it’s more evidence to back up how lame Jimmy D. really is.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, Time Warner?
Who cares? What does time warner have to do with the Rangers or Knicks other then broadcasting games? You are talking about the way he owns cablevision and using that as an example of why he isn’t a good sports owner? The cable thing is totally unrelated to the product that goes onto the garden floor. Just because some time warner customers are also knick fans doesn’t mean his time warner decisions go into his ownership of the knicks debate. Again, most of your post (the time warner part, the sexual harrassment part) have nothing to do with his ownership of the knicks or rangers, but just his douchiness as a person, which isn’t the topic of discussion. I stand by what I said, Dolan is a good owner if he has a good gm running the show.
Actually the Time Warner dispute has a lot to do with owning the Knicks and Rangers, because it involves televising the product that Dolan ostensibly wishes to promote…..which is kinda important if a team wishes to make money off it’s product.
Any boss is America, regardless of industry, is responsible for maintaining a safe and productive environment for all of their workers. Dolan demonstrably failed at that, which is why A COURT OF LAW JUDGED THAT HE HAD TO PAY ANUCHA SANDERS 11.6 MILLION DOLLARS. This is not an opinion, but a fact, which is why I capitalized all the letters….since you seem to have such trouble grasping that fact. That is pretty much the definition of bad business operations. Dolan owns the business and directed the effort to win the court case, was laughed out of court and was ordered to pay over ten times the amount that it would have cost MSG had they settled. Do you think that behavior is indicative of good ownership? I don’t, and I’m done with this argument due to your inability to distinguish fact from fiction.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah early championship predictions usually do not pan out, shut up and focus on the games, let the team keep rolling. No need for this unnecessary added pressure let the standings do the talking. Who does he think he is Rex Ryan? How’d that work out for him?
by I.Am.Spartacus on Jan 18, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions
Love how he lauded Sather and not the scouting team.
“I’m particularly proud of Mr. Sather because all the way back to 2004 when things weren’t going so well and we had a lot of free agents here and we decided to basically re-do the strategy, Glen and I made a pact.”
yeah, and 2 years later he signed Gomez.
Drury, Redden, Gaborik, Richards......
And the list goes on……
Is hockey hard? "I don't know, you tell me. We need to have the strength and power of a football player, the stamina of a marathon runner, and the concentration of a brain surgeon. But we need to put all this together while moving at high speeds on a cold and slippery surface while 5 other guys use clubs to try and kill us, oh yeah did I mention that this whole time we're standing on blades 1/8 of an inch thick? Is ice hockey hard? I don't know, you tell me. Next question."
-Brendan Shanahan
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He did mention the scouting system.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's just me...
… but I gotta believe nobody in that locker room – beginning with Torts – takes James Dolan seriously on any level. If so, they’d be the only few dozen people in the entire tri state area who did.
And what pray tell did he give Sather that he can’t give back? First thing that came to mind when I heard was herpes. Perhaps we should start a thread on the mystery gift…
Have another doughnut
And what pray tell did he give Sather that he can’t give back?
slats’ letter of resignation
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"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
by joereiter on Jan 18, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
selling of the team to Sather?!
"You fucking loser!" - Sean Avery
"Just reload my weapon, you know?" - Artem Anisimov
The future is looking bright boys.
"I’m very proud of the organization. I’m particularly proud of Mr. Sather," Dolan said of the Rangers general manager following the victory that lifted the team to an NHL-best 29-11-4. "Because all the way back to 2004 when things weren’t going so well and we had a lot of free agents in here and we made the decision to basically redo the strategy, Glen and I actually had a pact. I actually gave him something that I won’t reveal what it is."I said, ‘You can’t give it back to me until we win the Stanley Cup.’ And I think I’m getting pretty close to getting that thing back."Of course, great coaching, but to me it’s all about the farm system, the scouting system, the development and going with the kids and sticking with that philosophy even when, at times, it didn’t look so good," added Dolan
what in those quotes is so terrible? he didnt gaurantee a cup like Sather did!
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions
In this case you have to consider both the message and the messenger. We haven’t seen or heard from this little turd in 6 years… a very long 6 years! Now suddenly, when we’re finally looking like a contender for the first time in over a decade, here he is jumping into the spotlight. And despite every single thing we’ve seen this team do right this season, it’s all about him and the ONE decision he himself can take credit for – bringing in Glen Sather… twelve years ago! It’s worth considering that every call since that time – good and bad – has been Glen’s or someone Glen brought in (i.e. Torts, scouts, etc.) – and not Jim Dolan. Yet here he is in front of the entire media gallery – and what do we get? Praise for the GM – who wouldn’t be the GM (for 12 years) unless I made it so. Think about that. And now think about how fucking little this douchebag has to do with the success of this hockey club right now. I don’t care if he got up there and said the Rosary – I woulda thrown a shoe at the fucker were I there in person.
Have another doughnut
let's not forget about the cable dispute
The timing of James Dolan’s public appearances with the Rangers is suspicious at best as well. Dolan is trying to look like a good guy-owner here, one who buddies up with his associates like one big happy family, while hoping that people forget that he is responsible for the current loss of TV access to the Rangers and Knicks for millions of loyal fans. His actions are transparent and typically clumsy—it’s as if he woke up and remembered he had a hockey team on Jan. 1st, 2012.
Dolan’s churlishness with the media is legendary; his awful track record as the owner of the Garden’s two pro teams speaks for itself….yet here he is, yukking it up with the same writers he normally disdains. Don’t believe the hype, and good for Torts for calling bullshit on Dolan’s manipulative nonsense.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hes tge owner he can say whatever he wants he pays them to take credit from them and take his quirky bs. Tgats what billions of dollars earns you. Don’t be surprised if Torts is gone the first chance he fails. He didnt say anything that should warrant this type of reaction. bottomline is if Dolan wanted big time free agents instead of the kids then Sather is goung to do what his owner tells him to do. Period. Dolan is a spoiled prick but the pure hate fans have for him on sight is absurd
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 18, 2012 2:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dolan didn’t say anything that warrants Torts’ reaction? This type of overstatement coming from a virtually absentee owner is a joke….it’s the type of thing that will live in the memory of every Ranger-hating hockey fan forever, and Tortorella’s statement served the purpose of reminding everyone in the organization to not get too excited by the feelings of a part-time observer like Jim Dolan.
Lastly, if you don’t understand the hatred Dolan inspires, you must either be a member of Dolan’s family…or Isiah Thomas’ family….or Stephon Marbury’s family….everything about Dolan screams poser, from his part-time occupation as a crap-assed singer and harmonica player to his sudden interest in his hockey team. Articles in the NYTimes have repeatedly portrayed him as a bullying, clueless boss, and he looked like the biggest clown in professional sports during the sexual harassment suit against Isiah Thomas. The man’s been handed more money than 99% of the world will ever see and still complains that he’s being ripped off. That’s why people hate him—he has his position due to nepotism, and he is a surly, empty-headed jackass who gives no thought to the people who continually line his pockets.
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 18, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
ok guy
It’s his money funding the team and he stays out of the day to day operations. Some owners get praised for that but not Dolan. Ok.
I’m not a member of any of those families and although I don’t personally like Dolan, I’m not going to criticize him for comments I don’t find harmful at all.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Greifi Summed It Up, Perfectly
And I mean perfectly. What is it about the foolish, doltish, boorish James Dolan that you don’t understand?
sure Dolan is all those things and I get that I’m just not gonna bash him for comments I dont have any issue with
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by Major on Jan 18, 2012 8:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
absentee owner?
the owners who are to involved take shit, the owners who stand back and let the people they hire do their jobs take shit.
Are you seriously implying that Dolan is something more than an absentee owner for the NY Rangers? And are you implying that people pick on these ego-driven millionaires and billionaires, who are whores for money and media attention? Give me a break, and go defend someone who wouldn’t order their security detail to take you down if you approached them……
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 19, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
pretty angry huh?
kind of adorable. Wanna blankey?
No thanks, I’ll settle for a bottle of wine instead. Glad you enjoyed shilling for James Dolan!
Prole art threat.
by greifi griffie on Jan 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
“I said, ‘You can’t give it back to me until we win the Stanley Cup.’ And I think I’m getting pretty close to getting that thing back.”
you say that when you’re up 3-0 in the finals, not the middle of january
especially when you’ve been MIA and couldn’t be bothered to leave your fortress of solitude for the media announcement of the winter classic because you have band rehearsal with a bunch of musicians you pay to play with you
seriously, i hate the flyers, but ed snider > james dolan
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Sather
said we’d win the cup at the winter classic press conference. Any haesh words for him? No there wasnt
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by Major on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
sather was being funny (shockingly)
dolan is a joke
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Dolan is an idiot...
Dolan is the worst owner is sports…..
He has proven with the Ranger’s and Knick’s that he is an idiot, and I wish he would sell the team and just fade away and retire to a distant land far away from MSG.
When Dolan praises Sather I get a laugh, Sather is in the 12th year of his five year rebuilding plan….granted, this year, the team is playing extremely well so far, but it has been a long 12 years…..
myself and other Mets fans disagree with the worst owner tag.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Move over Dolan...
1986 may have to last a lifetime my friend……
It’s amazing this pretentious dildo, who was born on home-plate thinking he hit a home-run, even remembered he had a hockey team.
Here’s my money quote:
The Rangers lead the NHL with 62 points in 44 games, but coach John Tortorella jokingly responded to his boss’ comments about his team being close to a Stanley Cup despite the season barely being half over.
“I have my owner up here talking about a Stanley Cup. That’s a bunch of (expletive)bullshit,” Tortorella said. “We need to take it one game at a time.”
Jokingly my egg-white ass. I wouldn’t doubt it if Torts told Dolan that to his face. That’s the exact type of hype and crap this team doesn’t need, which is to think they’re being ordained to win the Stanley Cup. I’m sure Torts did the right thing and ripped that to shreds in front of his team to make sure they keep up their work ethic.
I loved what Dolan did in congratulating the team on the classic win. Classy move, makes those guys feel good, and that’s it. But this was just dumb. Sign the checks and shut the fuck up.
What worries me about this quote is he might put pressure on Sather and group to make some big trades for now.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions
yea...he said 'pretty close'...
in other words, he thinks the rangers are not there yet. that means that to win a cup they either neeed to a) mature a bit more as a club, or b) make some trades to “complete” the team. i’m willing to bet this guy isn’t smart enough to go with option “a”.
Watch hockey, brew beer!"
My thoughts exactly. He is probably looking at the potential financial windfall of winning the cup to help pay the bills on the renovations and offset TWC fiasco. I doubt someone like him who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth understands the words patience and process.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 18, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dolan looked drunk.
Or abysmally hung over.
Either way, he’s a douchebag and if there was any fairness in this world, he would suddenly be struck permanently mute.
"To everybody else we're underdogs, but we go in thinking we can handle any team in the NHL."
Brandon Prust, #8, New York Rangers
moot
not mute
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
I got it -
Nicely done.
"To everybody else we're underdogs, but we go in thinking we can handle any team in the NHL."
Brandon Prust, #8, New York Rangers
by Joe1969 on Jan 18, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dammit
no more grammar police for me
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
no worries
jim will be banning me from this site any minute now after my text prank on him last night
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
no pretended to be a sf fan since he didn't know my number
then he googled it and figured out who i was
but i’m sure he has a sense of humor, he wouldn’t whack me in the middle of—
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@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Nice knowing you Joe.
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Was their alcohol on Dolan’s breath when he talked to the NY Press?
by NYR #35 Richter on Jan 18, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions
copycat
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
I hate Dolan
but I can’t see anything wrong with this. Maybe his pact was that Glen has to stay until he wins the cup, and Dolan won’t go affecting the team and turning it to shit like he did with the Knicks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think it could be something like...
a paper of Dolan selling the team, or Sather’s resignation so he can retire into the sunset, or something along those lines haha.
"Just reload my weapon, you know?" - Artem Anisimov
"We are going to come to Philadelphia, and we are going to win." - Mr.Sather
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yeah, i mean forget about the fact that donnie openly talked about getting multiple max players from his first day here
Dolan pushed the Melo trade through because it fits your narrative better, how convenient.
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