Realistic Trade Opportunities
I am not so worried about what we would get in return but do we realistically have the ability to dump dead weight like Erik Christensen, Wojtek Wolski, and Sean Avery so that we can get some cap space for the trade deadline.
Do you guys think any teams would actually be interested in either of these players. I know there were two teams who wanted to claim Avery off waivers but I know Sather didn't want to take the cap hit.
What do you guys think?
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Pretty minimal return on any of those players. Wolski could get a 3-4th round pick, possibly… thats about it. Everyone passed on Avery thru waivers and any suitor would have to risk reentry waivers on him. Christiansen will probably pass thru waivers soon too…
oh didn’t think of that, so say we trade avery, we would have to put him through waivers before the trade, or is that responsibility given to the receiving team?
You can do it either way, trade him as an AHL asset or call him up and trade as an NHL asset. Actually, two teams are interested in trading for him, on the condition that we call him up. Obviously, we’d never do that because if they are interested they would just claim him on re-entry for half price. He is stuck in Hartford for the season. Struggling to get 3rd/4th line time there, apparently.
heh now I can see why Avery is so mad.
System seems so backwards, why would you trade for someone waived down to the AHL if you plan on having them play at the NHL level. Does not really seem conducive to teams with deep rosters trying to escape cap hits. Doesn’t seem like we can get away from paying half the price to Avery/whoever.
trading Lundqvist and Gaborik are the only two realistic trade options IMO
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Avery = no trade clause
Wolski = barely played any games this year
EC = who?
In all seriousness, all these guys have expiring deals and none of them have done much to warrant an NHL roster spot this season (or even longer). Getting back a late round draft pick or a low ceiling prospect for any of those guys is a steal.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions
Not saying I advocate such a thing, but a team like Columbus would probably take on Wolski’s deal if they can get out from under one of their contracts, be it Umberger, Vermette, or even Carter. That’s just one example.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would almost feel bad for Columbus by giving them Wolski, haha almost wouldn’t wish him on anybody but the Devils/Flyers/Penguins/Capitals/Bruins/Sharks
How did the Sharks get in there?
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
But are the Rangers really in a position to take on a bad contract? It’s easier to just eat Wolskii’s deal for the rest of the season than take on someone’s multiyear albatross.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I don’t think it’s so much “bad” as “long-term” that some teams want to shed. Like Colorado, at least at MHH all they talk about is trading one of their franchise’s best players in Stastny to dump commitment and open up roster space for younger guys.
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
KHL
It’s such cases that makes me think that the NHL should have a trade deal with the KHL. Send these three oversees — and dumping their contracts in the process — and in return get either some prospect rights or a rental veteran for the remainder of the season and POs. Thoughts?
Too much corruption.
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Zuke has to be traded. theres no way he will resign with us so we might as well get something for him
by nyrangerfan521 on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Believe he’s an RFA so we will retain his rights
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
Even if it’s for like a 5th round pick or something.
He’s worth more than that, but there’s no way he’ll re-sign with us, so why not get something for him?
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He re-signs or he doesn’t play. I doubt Zuke would rather sit out a year than play in the AHL.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
No he goes back to Europe and plays and makes 4 times the amount of money.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
One, I’m not sure what the transfer agreement is but i thought he would not be allowed to do that. If he could do that, I’m sure whenever he returns to NHL, the Rangers would own his rights again so nothing lost there.
Two, if it was just about money he would have never moved to this country to play hockey.
Three, if money is a driving factor he has an easier time making more of it in the nhl. Granted AHL salary is less but IMO he doesn’t play there much after this year.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
If he doesn’t sign a contract, he doesn’t have a contract and would be free to sign elsewhere (not in the NHl of course). My point was that for him its not a sign or sit out option as you alluded to.
He came here because he thought he had a shot at making the NHL which would be a bigger payday. I believe one of the reason he chose NYR was that they had promised a better opportunity to do just that. It just didn’t work out that way.
In the end I imagine NYr will trade either him or his rights. Don’t think there is much animosity and they will look to accommodate his career if he doesn’t factor into our plans.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 26, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
Regardless, we’re not going to use him on the NHL squad, so we might as well get something from him and let him get a shot somewhere else.
He would make most lineups.
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Did I just actually read someone suggest a lundqvist trade....lay off the drugs buddy
by Dehumanizing Sounds on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions
If you couldn’t tell it was sarcasm then you are probably a lot higher than you thought you were
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah what an ass
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but seriously, whatever we can get for WW is worth it. Free up room to get someone who can help the PP
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by Stepan's Sister on Jan 25, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions
We need a goalie
LMAO…wait, what?
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Wolski trade...
A couple days ago, I saw on the ESPN rumors page that the Avalanche might be interested in a reunion with Wolski.
If this is true it brings up some questions like:
1. Who would you be interested in bringing over (realistically) from the Avalanche team?
2. Would you package Wolski, Zuc and a pick, for someone good?
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by middletownbull on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions
I think if there is ANY deal to be had there, Wolski does not bring a roster player but a pretty low round pick, and packaging with MZA and a pick would not get someone terribly good.
lets not get ahead of ourselves here :), we have to get rid of Wolski and Avery this trade deadline, lets worry about what to do with other people later on down the road unless they are part of deals that immediately make us stronger for a cup run.
by rain-g-errs on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
We are definitely not getting rid of Avery, ever. He will be here until the last day of his contract in June. Nobody wants the reentry waiver risk, knowing that 2 teams are interested.
aren’t we still paying him 1.9 million for this year. if we wait it out, we pay the full sum, but if we get rid of him through waivers wouldn’t we only have to pay half of the remainder and take half the cap hit instead of just taking the full cap hit by letting him stay in the AHL till June?
by rain-g-errs on Jan 26, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
one of those teams interested?
Colorado.
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but to answer your question im pretty sure Zuc would not get us much of anything..
by rain-g-errs on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I would be interested in:
Erik Johnson – (I don’t think this would happen but..) former first rounder, been traded once, so you never know.
TJ Galiardi – Former 15 goal scorer. Good defensively. Expected to put up at least 10 more goals this season. Decent numbers from his first playoff experience.
Shane O’Brien – Mean streak. Coached properly might fit in good here in our system as a bottom pair defense man. Really good playoff with Vancouver, remember?
Chuck Kobasew – Experience for the playoff push. Former 20 goal scorer (multiple times). Solid playoff performer.
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by middletownbull on Jan 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
If we are going to be getting any defensemen they have to have a powerful shot and decent hands, someone a bit more offensive minded for our power play.
or we could get a gritty power forward like Tuomo Ruutu, hes been on the radar of a few teams, so i don’t know how thats going to go..
by rain-g-errs on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
pipe dream would be a rental like St. Louis to go on the Richards line :) hahaha. but that’s never going to happen, i think hes got a NMC too.
by rain-g-errs on Jan 26, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
McKenzie ponders if Morrow will be in play
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386166
Signed through next season with a $4.1m cap hit, production down this year but he has a ton of leadership and experience, specifically with B Rich.
Thoughts?
For what? Nobody wants Wolski (he’s cap relief) MZA is nothing more than a lower-tier prospect at this point with no size, and our draft picks will be in the last 5 teams of each round.
Not a pure rental, he has one more year. MZA definitely has trade value, especially to a young team looking to rebuild. He could be a 2nd line winger on a lot of teams. I think one roster player plus MZA and a pick could do it. Dunno if that’s worth it or not. Did he play same line as B Rich last year?
If I had to pick Dubi or AA
I pick Dubi to be traded, unfortunately. I love Dubi, but in Morrow you are getting a gritty physical winger who can score, aka you’re replacing our Dubi with an older yet more skilled Dubi who has been a captain for a while now. Plus centers are more valuable and AA just has a higher ceiling, he’s definitely in a funk now, but I’m sure he will get out of it soon, plus he could be a dominate player in a few years. But man, I’d really hate to part with Dubi at all. I love all these kids that I’ve seen come up (Cally, Dubi, Girardi, AA, etc) through the system, work hard, and pay their dues, but if we ever get rid of one of them (which is always possible) then I’d definitely be sad. Just depends on what we would get back I guess lol
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Morrow’s 31 who has had two seasons of 60+ and is otherwise a 45ish point player. Dubi and Artie, playing atrocious hockey, are on pace for about 40.
So, umm..no.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any trade that you would do for Morrow, that you think might be acceptable to Dallas? Or you just don’t see him as much of an asset? Popular sentiment seems to be that he is the type of player that any contender would love to add.
Sure. MZA and a mid-round pick. V-Tank and a mid-round pick, that’s acceptable cost to me. Whether it is to Dallas, I have no concept what they want as a return. I’m willing to use Bourque as a chip rather than a mid-round pick, if that’s better, I dunno.
However, I don’t think he really changes our lineup all that much. That’s with the caveat that there’s no way Rupp is coming out of the lineup, so that spot which could be easily upgraded by a guy like Morrow still wouldn’t be.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
There’s no overlap in their 10 most common linemates in either 2010 or 2011
They did spend a lot of PP time together, however.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
He’d be a good depth guy if you can get him for a mid-round pick and one of our lesser prospects (he’s also got another year left), but in terms of what we could really use (which IMO is a better scorer to fit with Richards), adding him, IMO, again makes the 3rd line some combo of Dubi/Morrow-AA-Mitchell, which is very good to great defensively and should chip in some goals, and then Prust/Boyle/Rupp (rather Feds over Rupp for playoffs for defensive purposes since Rupp isn’t getting much ice-time).
That’d give us 2 quality defensive lines, 1 with some offensive sprinkles.
NO, because, again, that’s not adding depth, that’s swapping depth.
The whole point of this is to add depth for the playoffs.
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MZA definitely has trade value, and Wolski could be useful in making the salaries match.
If a team knows a guy isn’t going to be back and they aren’t going to make the playoffs, they rather get a guy like MZA out of it than nothing.
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No trades unless it puts us over the top
I honestly believe that the team we have assembled to date is a deep, grinding, defensive oriented team that can make a deep run in the playoffs. with that being said, I still feel that we aren’t a cup team at the moment. Yes, Boston is our biggest competition in the east (albeit the fact we are first and beat them…plus 3-1 record last year), and out west, Chicago, Detroit and Vancouver are all powerhouses.
For all those that want to keep the team, I am all for it. Let the youth develop and go from there. But, I can also see this team making a serious run if it adds a piece or 2. If you go back to ‘94, you can see a lot of similarities. Young, top flight goaltending, a solid defense core and a lot of youth in the front end. But we made the moves that needed to be made and won a cup. I think that can be done again. I don’t like including signature players from our roster in deals unless the front office and Torts really feel they are winning. IF we can get a player such as Weber, it would be hard to deal a McDonagh or Staal, but I would do it. For a Nash, I would deal those high end prospects even if his name starts with a K and ends in rieder. You gotta give to get. I don’t believe that the Prospals, Ruutus and bottom 6 type players make this team better. And getting rid of Dubi and a package for Ryan does nothing for me. Ryan can help, but you can’t tell me that top prospects aren’t on Anaheims wish list despite what the GM says. They want the best deal possible and I don’t think Dubi does it for them anyway.
Basically this whole spiel adds up to the fact that any deal we make has to make this team better then it is and some of the players and trades that are getting thrown out there don’t do that. We got a winner here and gotta keep growing it unless we can get a fair deal that we feel makes this team that much better.
Thanks for hearing me out.
we didn’t have much of a choice did we, hahaha just kidding but IMO Kreider should be untouchable and i think Sather shares my sentiment.
by rain-g-errs on Jan 27, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I rather have 5+ years of serious cup contending than 1 year with the cup.
by rain-g-errs on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you come up empty in that 5 years.
by BigB22 on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Talk to Hank
Our cup window is as long as his body can hold out.
by BuckarooClub on Jan 27, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
What do we need?
How about a guy who’s been there and has leadership qualities and is gritty and can score? What about going after Ryan Malone? I think he fits into this system really well and I think with a goalie prospect and maybe V Tank or MZA, he could be had. I think he is odd man out in Tampa.
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I’m fine with a trade if it allows us to add assets, rather than swap assets.
Give up things like MZA, Wolski, Valentenko, picks, Bourque, etc.
Not roster players like Dubi, Artie, or anything like that.
AA and Dubi are already better than Morrow, and people want to trade them for him.
Enough with the grass is greener shit. This teams in first place and beat Boston for a reason.
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I agree about the grass being greener,
but I also think it would be a waste to not, as you said, add some depth in the form of a good veteran forward with playoff experience. Also, I don’t know that one game against Boston means a whole lot of anything, Sample sizes and everything.

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