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The Flyers Have Some Problems

it's the All-Star break. I got bored already. Looking up and down the Flyers roster and salary they clearly have serious issues. I'm going to point them out.

Chris Pronger- No longer the defenseman he once was (not to mention he's injured) Pronger is signed for another 5 seasons at $4.9 million cap hit. If he retires that would be the best thing for the flyers but what if he doesn't? He also has a NMC. Buying him out would also be pretty costly as well. If he was bought out today the buyout cap hit would $4.9 until the 2017-18 season. Take into account we have no idea what the next CBA is.

Danny Briere- Guy has a $6.5 million cap hit at the age of 34. He's signed on for another 3 years. This is less of a problem but if his production dips that could pose a huge problem but you could say the same for Brad Richards.

Mr. Universe- The man who didn't even start in the Winter Classic carries a $5.6 million cap hit until 2020. I still think he is a decent goalie but he will never live up to his contract. Did I mention he has a NMC? I don't know who the hell would give a goalie a NMC but it's just stupid. The Flyers better hope he returns to decent form. I like Bryz but that contract was just stupid to give him.

Claude Giroux- The guys a monster. He's the real deal. Here's the thing I see with him. If i'm a GM in the NHL and I'm near the salary floor, and see Claude Giroux as a RFA, I might throw him an offer sheet for all the money I could find. I would trade away a lot to make room for him and build a franchise. If your the Flyers what do you do? Do you give up Giroux and take the draft picks and compensation or do you keep your superstar? If the Flyers are in salary cap hell in 3 years they might not be in a position to keep Giroux if he were to sign a ridiculous offer sheet.

Matt Carle- He's a good solid defenseman in this league. He's a UFA after this year and could walk and get more money. Do the Flyers trust their young guys or do they have to put themselves in a postion closer to the cap? If i'm Paul Holmgren I might ship off Carle for a serviceable defenseman and a solid draft pick. That's just me playing armchair GM.

JVR- He's playing injured right now but compared to other players his age and their development Van Riemsdyk is behind. Next year he's going to have a $4.25 million cap hit but will the production be there? That's a big question mark. I might do a JVR for Luke Schenn swap if i'm Paul Holmgren especially if I think Pronger is done forever. Flyers want to get Ryan Suter also. Maybe JVR for Suter with JVR as the centerpiece?

I think if Mike Richards was still on the Flyers they would be in a better position. Maybe that means not having Schenn and Simmonds (And possibly Jagr depending on if Holmgren wanted to make the cap workout) but they would be in a better position in the future. They could trade Richards or JVR for Schenn, Suter or even Weber without losing on offense too badly. Without Richards, they now have to deal a core piece of their team like JVR to make up on the back end. Keep in mind Kimmo Timmonen isn't getting any younger also as well as the fact Pronger may be done forever.

The Flyers will be forced to trade one of JVR, Couturier, and Schenn if they want to get a guy like Suter. Lucky for them they are deep down the middle

That's my analysis on the outside looking in. As it appears, the Flyers have some issues and I can't wait to see what Holmgren has up his sleeve. I'm going to guess they're going to get that defenseman they're looking for and sacrifice either JVR or Schenn to do it.

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thank you for this post because I truly believe that the Flyers will fade from the top of the conference. The Bryz signing was a joke and will continue to kill them for this year and the next 8 that he is signed for. I also believe that some of their secondary scoring from guys like Matt Read will slow down. Their D is suspect from top to bottom as well. I liked your poll but I couldn’t decide how to answer (lol). I hate the Flyers with a passion.

by Richter1994 on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

He’s going to be there dipietro lol

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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you’re right. Awwwwwwwwwwwww, too bad for the Flyers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

by Richter1994 on Jan 26, 2012 5:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the poll

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Easily the best poll I’ve ever seen.

by Eastern Impact on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

In regards to Pronger

I am pretty sure he signed an over 35 contract so I think he is getting all of his money no matter if he plays or not

by BroadwayBlue30 on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 AM EST reply actions  

Yea I think if he retires they still have his cap hit

by teknics on Jan 26, 2012 7:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yup, it stays.

I assume if there is a amnesty clause in the next CBA they would use it on him if he doesn’t come back.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 26, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

it may not stick if if it’s related to LTIR but not sure.

by Richter1994 on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

That poll is the perfect example of how good statistics are created.

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by Papa T on Jan 26, 2012 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

The poll=best part of this article lmao

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Voted #69

You know, with Pronger, Briere and JVR out indefinately and on long term IR…….they have cap room for Suter

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by earthworm on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

I almost broke my phone reccing this and voting yes. Best poll ever :)

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by BleedsRangerBlue on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I disagree on only one point

I don’t know if you can call JVR behind on his development. his 22 points in 37 games is right on pace to do better (.45ppg last season as a near .6ppg this season). Now, it is a smaller sample size and will probably come down to around .55 but the kid isn’t exactly behind.

Everything else is spot on, especially the Bryz and pronger contracts, they are screwed.

by smitty046 on Jan 26, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you on JVR. When he is on his game he is downright dominant (like at points during last years playoffs—7 goals in 11 games is pretty damn good)

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 26, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess, but I also read he was getting 7 shots a game over that stretch (which would set an NHL record over a full season). He averages much less over his career, around 2.5.

As for the Flyers, seems like every year their cap situation looks terrible yet somehow they pull through.

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by red army line on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t think he deserves to get credit for getting 7 shots/game?

by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think anyone can score goals if they shoot 7 times a game. I don’t think JvR at this point in his career is significantly more likely to do so than your ordinary 2nd liner. I don’t think that represents his “potential”, just a hot streak.

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by red army line on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with smitty046
JVR- He’s playing injured right now but compared to other players his age and their development Van Riemsdyk is behind.

If JvR was a Ranger, we’d be hearing about how he’s ONLY 22, and “he hasn’t peaked yet”. He’d be an untouchable part of our young core. You gotta be fair across the board. If JvR at 22, is a disapointment where does that put some of our guys?

by BuckarooClub on Jan 27, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Sather > Holmgren.

JVR production mirrors Anisimov’s to a degree (JVR a bit better boxscore production, but a bit less responsibility defensively as well).

Sather re-signed the 22 year old RFA after a 18-26-44 season for 2 yrs, $3.75m
Holmgren re-signed the 22 yr old RFA after a 21-19-40 season for 6 year, $25.5m

As happens with most players around here, the contract is the biggest driving force for evaluation, fair or not. You’d definitely have seen the same criticism of Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Stepan, etc….if Sather gave them $25m at age 22.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying, but I think the money JvR got has more to do with his ceiling being higher than any of those guys at 22. The concussion is going to throw a huge wrench into the works for him, but I still think the kid will have very nice career if he gets beyond it.

by BuckarooClub on Jan 27, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly, his potential is pretty great, but that’s an awfully large gamble to take for potential, especially w/ no arbitration and after you just spent $51m on a goaltender.

Because of that gamble, however, he gets extra burden to produce young, and obviously if he doesn’t, will take extra criticism.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Pronger

To add to the Pronger issue, I’m almost 100% certain that even if he retires his cap hit remains.

http://capgeek.com/faq/what-s-a-35-plus-contract.php

by Seth Warshaw on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

If thats true, Holmgren was incredibly dumb in signing that contract…

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 27, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It is true, that is what a 35+ contract does. Though they could just keep him on LTIR.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 27, 2012 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes it is 100% true…

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by Clalicata17 on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Lapperier is on their LTIR currently, and if pronger was put on LTIR in order to reap the benefits of his contract, they would have to spend 4.9 mil over the cap… i’m not sure if this is completely correct, but i’m pretty sure, and also if he’s placed on LTIR and healthy a grievence will be filed by the Players Association, something the rangers almost had to deal with with drury had we placed him on LTIR

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by Clalicata17 on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

There was some bad advice given before that deal was offered

The Flyers offered the deal thinking it wasn’t going to qualify as a 35+ deal, but they didn’t read the CBA correctly.

by BuckarooClub on Jan 27, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

really? where did you read that? That sounds like an incredible blunder on their part.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have the link either, but he’s right. There was a giant hullabaloo over that error. I remember reading some stuff on BSH about it, I’m sure it’s in their archives somewhere.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t read the CBA correctly? Isn’t that…like…somewhat a main part of their job?

Words fail.

by Caerid11 on Jan 27, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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