Bantering Points: A Week In Review
by Bryan Winters on Jan 25, 2012 6:01 AM EST
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Print- The New York Rangers had one last game before heading into the All-Star break, and that was against the Winnipeg Jets. The Rangers were able to put three goals past Ondrej Pavalec and went on to win their second straight game. Henrik Lundqvist also had a shutout, which would tie him for second all time with 40.
- We haven't heard too much regarding New York Rangers prospects, but we have an update for you today. Michael St. Croix has been named the Western Hockey League player of the week. This is the second time this season St. Croix has appeared as the player of the week. Scouts have been really optimistic as of late about this young prospect.
- There have been numerous amounts of trade rumors circulating the internet as of lately. With that said, there was no doubt the Rangers were brought up in some of these rumors. Would you make a deal at the deadline to shed some extra players, or try to add some depth and/or skill for a deep playoff run?
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I really don’t see this team slowing down. their responses to bad games are incredible. they are very strong mentally and totally believe in their coach, their system and in each other. I see a tweaking of the roster but if they do make a splash I hope it’s the trade for Nash I recommended. I know it’s a bad contract but I worked the $$ and it works for this year and through 2013/14 at least where I have the team’s payroll at $60M with my projected line-up. Nash is a legit 40 goal scorer that would make the PP exponentially better. It would be like night and day. I don’t believe the -21 is indicative of his play but indicative of his goalie’s lousy play for much of the season. Just my opinion.
I agree. I think NASH would be a great addition and a goal-scorer that we need…. if we get nash or someone like nash (ryan) we could go a long way… love this team… LGR
If we got Nash at a reasonable price (ie. we don’t trade much from our current roster—I’m assuming Columbus would like picks and prospects more than anything in return) this team would be scary good. Here’s potential lines that I chose whimsically:
Nash-AA-Gabby
Dubi-BR-Stepan
Hagelin-Boyle-Cally
Rupp-Mitchell-Feds
Didn’t give much though to handedness or chemistry but goddamn thats great depth. Probably have to give up at least one NHL ready player in order to get Nash, but this is just wishful thinking anyway
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
in my deal I send Dubi, AA and MDZ to make the $$ work. picks and prospects won’t work for Nash because of the cap. and for this year the depth would be strained but you would add a 40 goal scorer and improve the PP immensely.
Nash is a 30-35 guy. Only times he hit 40 was when his shooting percentage spiked. I’ll be honest, even though his contract length is abysmal, I’d rather have Carter at $5.2 than Nash at $7.8m.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Same boat, I’ve actually wondered if Carter would be an option here just for the fact that he’s a shot-whore. Put him with Dubi/Cally or something and just have him shoot whenever possible.
Carter is seriously hurt isn’t he? I keep hearing all these rumors about him but who is going to trade for him while he’s out? I also believe that putting Nash on the Rangers would make him a 40 goal scorer. who has he ever had to feed him the puck like BR? he would also be great on the PP.
He’s close to being back I think, have to look it up though.
If there’s thoughts about taking on Nash’s contract, I’d rather just skip him and go after Parise since they’ll be making similar money and Parise is just a way-better overall player.
And please don’t fall into the “BR would turn Nash into a 40-goal scorer.” Damn near everybody and their Grandma thought BR would turn Gaborik into a perennial 50-goal scorer. We all know how that turned out so far this season.
I’m ok with going after Parise as you’ll have to wait until after the season because the Devs are certainly not trading him to the Rangers. and you’ll also have pray that if Parise gets traded (which is a very good possibility given the Devs’ financial situation) that he doesn’t sign an extension with the team that traded for him which may be a condition for the trade. fair point on the BR/Nash connection as BR is not playing with Gaby as we all thought he would. if nothing else though they would play on the same PP together and along with Gaby could be lethal.
Totally forgot about cap ramifications. Sorta agree with George; Nash is better than Carter but 2.6 million dollars better? Not sure he is.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Jan 25, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
You are way overrating Nash. Dude isn’t even a 40 goal scorer. He’ll get you 70 points or so, with Dubi/AA getting 45-50, and MDZ playing 25+ minutes a night of strong defense.
Also, you don’t want 4 players making a combined ~30 mil. That’s just a bad idea.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I think Nash is being underatted…he has been with the worst team in the league for his whole career
by Prustyballs94 on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So? There are plenty of guys out there who do well with bad line-mates.
I’m not saying he’s not a great player. I’m saying that giving up Dubi, AA, (both ~50 point guys) and MDZ (25+ min. defensemen playing great) for Nash (70 point guy making 8 mil) is not worth it.
You are bringing in a guy who does not produce up to his contract amount, and giving up two young first/second line players and a young developing fantastic defensemen.
Our team is getting better, and will continue to do so over the next few years. We need to be patient, and not set ourselves backwards with back contracts.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I have stated time and again that Dubi is my 2nd favorite player on the team and that I prefer home grown players like AA over players from another team. But the simple fact is that those 2 players are playing themselves off this team. You can’t be a good penalty killer and get paid $4M+ per in a cap league. You just can’t. I expected 100 pts combined between them this year. They currently have 43 which translates to approx 80 for a full season. That’s not acceptable at all and that’s not what was expected. They both go through long stretches of disappearing acts. And even when they play well they don’t produce pts. Dubi missed a wide open net in front me against the Jets while on the PP. If they do close to what they’re supposed to in pts then Sather doesn’t even think about making a trade for a forward. But they’re not so he is. Those 2 players take a lot of blame for the team’s lack of scoring and it’s disappointing to the team, the coach, and the fans. Me being one of them because I wanted them both to be here for their entire careers. This team has a chance to do something this year and you make a move like this to try and put yourself over the top. Plus Nash is only 27 so it’s not like you’re adding a 35 year old with a $7M per cap hit. And I don’t agree, I think he’s close to a 40 goal scorer here and he’s a big body that plays physically. I think he fits right in. You have to take the emotion out of making a trade like this. as for MDZ, yeah he’s played well lately but he’s not untouchable and if it gets me Nash or Suter then I’m all for it.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/do_the_rangers_rely_too_much_on_callahan/9581252 this post is dead on IMO.
hey currently have 43 which translates to approx 80 for a full season.
Playing the worst offensive hockey of his life (Dubi) and being continually (but justifiably right now) buried on the 4th line (Anisimov), and they’re on pace for 80 points combined.
Nash is a nice player, but as Moshe said, you can’t have $30m tied up in 4 players in the cap era. Sure, you can fit it now, but you’re going to feel the long term impact when you have to re-sign guys like McDonagh, Stepan, Del Zotto, Staal, Girardi,…
And heck, even if you do/they would spend that kind of money on a guy, you can probably get Eric Staal right now, who only makes $400k more and has posted 6 straight 70pt years (a milestone Nash has only hit once), and has been a point per game player in the playoffs, plus has a ring. He’s much more worth that kind of ridiculous money, if you’re going to cripple your cap.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY.
McD and Step are both going to command a lot more money. Yes Nash is better than Dubi or AA or MDZ, but those 3 players combined are making the same as him. It’s a cap era, and you win with deep teams.
AA alone is only 23 years old, and by the time he’s 27 he should only be making ~3 mil AND putting up 50-60 points regularly. MDZ this year has turned the corner and turned into a solid 2nd pair defensemen with a strong offensive game.
Yes Dubi isn’t performing, but he has a history of being a guy who puts up 45-50 points, kills penalties, plays strong defensive hockey, and wins faceoffs. The dude also has a shooting % of 6.0, so that’s going to rise.
You don’t trade that for a guy who has only broken 70 points once in his life and is already 27. The man is one of the most overrated in hockey.
Last year Nash had 66 points in 75 games. Dubi had 54 points in 77. Anisimov had 44 points in 82 games. You want to trade both of that, and MDZ for Nash?
Sorry, but I can’t see how that’s worth it in the slightest.
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ok, then I ask both of you point blank: can this team win the Cup as it stands now? yes or no. I say no because of the need for slightly more scoring. now if Dubi and AA go off and score before Glen trades them away then I think they can win it even with a terrible PP. to me this team is in the same predicament as the ’94 team in assessing whether this is the team that can win it. in ’94 they traded very good young players for oldwer vets and it paid off. I want to trade within the same age group which is easier. as much as I like to look at the past you cannot in this case. I had Dubi at 55-60 pts and AA over 50 for this year based on last year. Not even close and why they will be topics for trade this deadline.
Any team can pull it out depending on so many factors we’d be overwhelmed trying to count them.
The biggest factor is scoring depth. We have our top-end guys, it’s a matter of filling in around them. The biggest key, IMO, at this point, is to add around of current depth, not trade our depth for other depth.
Adding another decent-scoring LW at this point to our current roster gives us this:
Hags-Stepan-Gabby
Newbie-Richards-Cally
Dubi-AA-Mitchell
Prust-Boyle-Feds
To me, that’s about as good as it gets (though I’d rather upgrade Feds to somebody with some speed which makes the 4th line better defensively). That 3rd line should be great defensively as well as chip in some scoring when needed.
I’ve seen way too many of these “let’s ship out 3 of ou current roster players for 1 scorer” type posts that just make me scratch my head. That’s something you do in the off-season as you address needs, not something when you’re at minimum a top-5 team looking to add a few depth-pieces.
That’s someone I’d love to have on this team, at a fair cost that is.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
He’s a top target for us as well as many other teams due to his style. I think he’d fit in well here, though there could be a bidding war for his services.
Can this team win the Cup as it stands now? yes or no.
Yes. They’re a strong 5v5 team with all-world goaltending. It doesn’t take much more than that to put yourself in position to win. Is there still room for improvement? Absolutely.
in ’94 they traded very good young players for oldwer vets and it paid off.
It paid off for one year, because Messier carried the team in game 6 against the Devils. Tremendous, but trading for the veterans darn near didn’t pay off there either. That’s the margin in the playoffs, even the best team in the league needs something to get through 4 series.
After that, they spent years trading away more and more of their young skill trying to recapture the same magic, to no avail. I would really like Sather not to chase a Cup this year and repeat history.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 27, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
im ok with everything you said. i would feel much much better if the 2 guys we mentioned started contributing on a regular basis and/or the pp started resembling a near 20% pp. then standing pat is not a problem. the king is the quickest i ever remember seeing him. hopefully the games off are helping. biron may be the reason we contend for the cup, lol.
by Richter1994 on Jan 27, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
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