The New York Rangers Power Play Still Needs Improvement
by Bryan Winters on Jan 25, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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The New York Rangers have been in a major slump on the power play as of lately, and it's starting to become a really big concern. During the beginning of the season, the Rangers had a very weak power play, but they eventually kicked it into gear sometime down the road.
But as of lately, things just are not clicking like they should be. However, in last night's game against the Winnipeg Jets, I definitely saw some improvements, despite them not scoring a goal on four chances. It seems as if there is finally some sort of movement going on when they gain the zone.
The Rangers were able to gain the zone as well, without having to resort to dumping the puck in and chasing it all the time. The Rangers had quite the opportunities last night, but they still did not shoot as often as they should. A perfect example was when Brad Richards set-up Michael Del Zotto perfectly on the face-off circle.
Del Zotto proceeded to attempt a pass back across to Ryan Callahan who was tied up in the crease. This was a perfect time for Del Zotto to fire the puck on net, which could have potentially beat Pavalec, or lead to a big rebound.The Rangers just need to get the puck to the open man, and fire it away. Sounds easier said then done, but at the end of the day, the Rangers are over thinking way too much on the power play.
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They did not seem overly aggressive on the PK. To me it seems we really have issues with a very aggressive PK. But then again most teams do. That seems to be a trend these days and you can see overall efficiency on the PP is down by a lot this year for most teams.
Once a PK is aggressive we seem to lack players on the blueline that can either get the shot away quick through traffic or get a quick/clean pass down low to spread the PK out.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions
I heard they are looking to get rid of wolski
More because he won’t do what christensen did and get conditioning. I have a feeling he’s gonna be some part in a trade. Sather even talking about making one trade but doesn’t wanna mess up the chem. Good to know. Big D with huge shot or high scoring forward hmm hmm ….
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree, we really dont have firepower on the blue line. And I dont think we have a forward who could play the point and take the boomers like we need. DZ trying to make that extra pass negated the scoring opportunity completely. Also, every time Girardi receives a pass on the point his first move is widen, skate the puck closer to the boards, which worsens his shooting angle in a big way. He needs to hold his ground and that will give him some more room to get his albeit weak shots around/through the mandown. the majority of PP goals (and all hockey goals) are not pretty. So looking for the pretty goal is a waste of time.
Going to the boards is the safe option. The pointman that holds his ground needs to be able to make a quick move and stickhandle around the oncoming player. Girardi just doesn’t have that skill hence why he walks it to the boards. And he doesnt have a shot that would make the opposing player honest.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
When you watch the Devils PP, Kovalchuk holds it at the point, turns it over, and the Devils let up a shorthanded goal.
It’s happened like 15 times this season lmao
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The thing about the PP is that the % doesn’t really matter. It’s about making it threatening enough so that other teams aren’t going to take extra liberties down the stretch. I’m sure teams, especially in the playoffs, will go out of their way to put an extra bump or run on Lundqvist if they know we won’t score, or at least gain some momentum from it. And I think Joe and Sam talked about it last night and made a very good point: it’s not about the %, it’s about getting PP goals when it really counts.
Like in the Boston game. Scoring a PP goal to make a game 4 or 5 to 1 does nothing but up the %. Scoring a game-winner on the PP, or tying the game, or scoring after an egregious penalty is important.
They continue to cycle the puck well up high because teams don’t challenge our players because they know we don’t shoot. They need to find a way to take shots from the dangerous areas, because lately I’ve seen a lot of shots from bad angles that miss the net and wind up going back down to our end of the ice.
There isn’t a person or player who doesn’t know what they need to do to fix it. It’s a matter of getting them to actually do it.
get rid of sully
with all due respect at the start they starting to kick it in gear they havent had a power play in years now.And im tirede of people saying its starting to look good if you dont score or get shots on neat it sucks.i think its time suuly goes nothing else is helping. if they dont fix it in the second half of the season we will not go to deep in the playoffs they need it ti go deep no ifs ands or but. and was is boyle and dubi being put on the pp neither can score for shit
Well fire Torts too then. Fuck it, replace them all.
The PP isn’t the only responsibility Sully has but you want to dump him just because of that. Asinine.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
You keep saying without a PP we won’t go far in the playoffs and everyone keeps telling you the Bruins last year had an 11.5% (or so) PP in their cup run.
by teknics on Jan 25, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How many extra goals would you like to see scored on the PP in a 7 game series?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
i cant even attempt to answer that. but this is my logic, we spent 8 minutes last night on the PP, almost half a period. And thats time that we are not rolling lines consistently bc were mixing and matching personnel for the PPs sake. Right now our PP is a hinderance to us, its not a confidence or momentum builder, it actually detracts from whatever momentum we’ve got going into it. so thats almost half a period of PP hockey where we are ineffective at getting solid scoring opportunities. And that might change alittle in the playoffs because well see less penalities called, but when a PP comes in the playoffs that’ll make it that much more important that we use the opportunity to build momentum, and not as a set back
So you are saying 8min of puck possession when you have a lead is a bad thing?
In fact iirc last night the Jets had momentum and they took penalties which killed it even though we didn’t light up out PP.
In fact, more penalties are called in the playoffs. Not a lot more but not less for certain.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
im not going to argue about this on a game by game basis. momentum is different each night. but our PP is not a source of momentum and confidence for our club right now. you can’t contest that.
That is true lately.
I just don’t see the PP as ‘the sky is falling’. We are not losing on special teams, in fact we are positive in that area. So for every momentum lost from the PP there is momentum gained from the PK.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
but we’ve been on the PP 11 more times than we’ve been on the man down. These stats are fine and they can be massaged to support any side of any argument, hockey is not a game that lends itself to stats the way other sports do.The reality of the situation is that we rely on our defense/goaltending A LOT, let’s give these guys some relief by scoring some insurance g’s on the PP. Call me crazy for expecting that, but we’re very good as is now, but with a few spots strengthened, we could be down right dangerous.
I disagree on you stance on stats but you are entitled to your opinion.
Only 4 teams are above 20% on the PP this year. So we are talking about a difference between 15% and 20% on something that is less than 20% of a game. Over a 7 game series that amounts to 1.4 goals for the ENTIRE series. And people want to fire coaches and trade away players for that.
Of course they can improve in that area. In the salary cap era not team is perfect. But I would much rather be a strong 5on5 team then a PP team.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a long answer that I cant answer right now, dinner and movie time.
Simply I think it comes down to execution. Why they cant execute is a whole other question. I am sure Torts is trying to keep it very simple since we don’t really have the right personal to make it overly complicated. And what we end up with is exactly that, a simple PP that simply is not elite and easy to defend against.
I’m not so sure just one new point man changes it drastically. Unless you are talking about elite dman which lets be realistic, is not happening. I also don’t think 1 new coach does either.
Good news is we are winning without it and there is some room for improvement.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t shoot. Ever. Only Phoenix averages fewer shots per minute on the PP than we do. No shots = no goals.
Also, with caveat it’s a small sample, SJ averages more shots 5v4 than we have at 5v3.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
if they were taking an overly simplistic approach as paris believes, id think we’d be shooting from everywhere…rather i think they’re looking for the perfect play. just shoot the puck and get guys in the right spots for rebounds. that’s the simple PP and we dont do it
Correct, they look for empty net goals on the PP. Especially by trying cross-crease passes which very infrequently work.
That’s also why the notion that one player is fixing this is goofy. Unless they bring in a Parise/Nash/Carter/whoever else that is known for getting 250-300 shots a year, no one player is fixing the mindset.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
i think your right that one player added to the mix wont change the mindset of the entire PP unit, but id like to think a point man with a gun would add value. our points struggle to get shots through and on net. not sure what stats there are to support/refute that…
but id like to think a point man with a gun would add value. our points struggle to get shots through and on net. not sure what stats there are to support/refute that…
They brought in the ‘booming shot’ in McCabe and all they did is finish the season 2 for 47 on the PP (incl. playoffs). Why? Because McCabe fell right in line with the rest of the PP guys, looking pass first.
It’s a systematic problem.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just to extend that point, Richards was brought in to the be the point guy this year. He’s on pace for the fewest SOG of his career, since his rookie year.
I’ll parse out just the PP shooting at some point just to make sure the point holds, but he’s another guy that seems to be falling victim to our PP system.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the exact thing I said when I reviewed McCabe last year. When he first came in, IIRC, the power-play numbers actually improved by a good deal, but then they just completely went back to shit, when, as you said, he stopped shooting.
Is that the players or the coaches, or both?
Because it seems to be applying across the board, regardless of the players involved, I have a hard time pinning it on the players.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am of the same thought but how many times does Torts say just shoot the damn puck on the PP and stop getting fancy. I’m really at a loss.
I do think its time to bring a fresh view into this and go for another asst coach. Not sure who is available. Hell bring Leetch in.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
That was my point. It is a simple PP. Simple meaning just shoot the puck. But they don’t execute.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
When someone talks about firing a coach, one that is also responsible for the defense aspect, to bring in a better PP coach that could hurt 5on5. When someone talks about trading for someone just for their PP skills who are questionable in their own end, that could hurt 5on5.
Of course its not black and white, wasn’t saying that. was saying if I had to pick on being a strong 5on5 team or a strong PP team I would rather be 5on5 since most of the game is played like that. This team is built more for 5on5 then a PP team with elite offense.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
fine, lets leave the personnel and coaching the way it is, i would still demand better results. not sure why you dont. If we werent so strong on the man down i think you’d be singing a different tune. I just don’t take our defensive abilities and goaltending for granted, i think there will be games when they they need a night off. and when those nights come, we will be in a dog fight guaranteed. Id like to win some games comfortably one day
Yes, but if their power play produced they might have won easily.
By all means, the Bruins should have lost to the Canucks. They just had like the best series in net ever.
It’s not a recipe to win the cup.
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sully is the defense coach… as well as the PP coach… and we have one of the top 3 defenses in the league… i’ll take a top 3 defense over a top 3 PK with a middle of the pack D any day of the week… because the PP could win us a few games here and there, our defense has been consistently getting the job done no matter who has been inserted into the lineup
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by Clalicata17 on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly...so...
Keep Sully as D-coach and get someone ELSE to fix/run/coach/play the point on the power play. Case closed!
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Yep. I mean, it is a coach for 1/3rd of the season to try… you could hire someone good for such a relatively small amount of money compared to a trade deadline acquisition..
I highly doubt it is a money issue.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hagelin in the rookie all star!!!
Better be in fastest skater. He’s gonna destroy dudes
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This was according to a tweet by a Canadian comedian, you really think its credible lol?
by rain-g-errs on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2012/01/25/news-carl-hagelin-is-going-to-the-all-star-game/
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
? what ?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ryan McDonagh @RMcDonagh27
Also congrats to newest youngstar addition @CarlHagelin. Well deserved bud. #dontletitgetgoodtoya
Ryan McDonagh is a comedian? I thought he was on our team ?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The original tweet i saw was from Josh Rimer. http://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey
by rain-g-errs on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
hah when i looked him up i probably got some other guy with the same name’s bio lol nm. Great news if its true :) i really want to see him in the fastest skater comp.
by rain-g-errs on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
+1
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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
we should play the PP like a 5v5. In a 5v5 setting we work the play down low and bring it out from the corners. Rarely do we work it out to the point 5v5. Same should hold true for the PP. We can still switch sides of the ice while keeping the puck down low. Thats where most of our scoring opportunities come from ES, so we should try to continue that on the PP
It’s easier said then done. When you are forchecking down low you are trying to get the dmen to turnover the puck or make a bad pass. Except on the PK the dman doesn’t have to look for a break out; he can just dump. So all the times you see a dman eating the puck from our pressure and being outworked would be negated by him able to just dump it down. Your best chance with this strategy is to beat the dman in on the dump-in and outnumber him to get possession.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
thats powerplay 101 — outnumbering them. we should always outnumber the PK no matter where the puck is. Im just saying our point of attack ES is usually from the sidewall and corners, not the point. This is also a viable option on the PP
And my point was why that works better 5on5 is because the D will usually either eat the puck or make a bad pass from the pressure. On the PK they dont have to do either, they can just dump it making it a less effective. And 5on5 your options to go to the points is reduced compared to the PP because our D have to cover their breaking forwards. Torts style is to keep the puck going in 1 direction, towards their zone and towards the net so that is another reason why you see less of us going backwards to the points 5on5.
I get your point, ive said it to myself to just forget we are on the PP and play like we always do but then you need to tell the other team to do the same.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
im talking about when we have the PP set up in the zone, we should be attacking from down low. we should never have to forecheck during the PP the same way we do 5v5. Thats not what im saying. In fact, ideally there is no forecheck whatsoever on the man up we should beable to skate the puck in, get in the zone low enough to pull up and set it up. We are successful when guys make strong moves from the corners and behind the net. Having a PP where our point men try to hit the guy in the middle of the box with a pass or have him redirect the puck (richards last night) is a complete departure from our bread and butter
Sorry, I thought you said we should play the PP like we play 5on5 which included dumping and forechecking.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
“Lately” and “as of late” are synonyms. You would not combine them in the form “as of lately”.
by teknics on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the dump-in and perimeter passing simply doesn’t work (for any team). they stick dubinsky in the slot and he just stand there. the only thing that works for them is attacking the zone and not setting up, not allowing the other team to set up. it definitely creates the most scoring chances.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
I think the hatred for the ‘dump-in’ is poorly placed among many here. Part of many team’s PP strategies is the ‘dump-and-chase’ method. The problem with ours is that, like everything else about our PP, it’s piss-poorly executed.
The major goal of a dump-in during a PP is to actually use the outnumbered situation to your advantage. Usually, a dump-in is actually a set play where 1 player throws the puck into a corner (cross-corner dumps are best because the goalie becomes a non-factor) and 2 players go after it. 1st player is usually a distraction that boxes out the PK while the 2nd man retrieves the puck. It’s fairly standard and works quite well when done properly.
This team is actually built more, IMO, around a dump-and-chase mentality, however they continually try to carry the puck in, and when that fails, automatically dump the puck when everybody is standing still at the blue-line waiting for the puck to get in. Our dumps are never scripted, it’s more of a defensive-instinct based around “I tried to carry it in but can’t, I better just dump it in or the other team will steal it and get a break the other way.”
I don’t think a lot of our guys are great puck-transport guys who can enter a zone with control and beat guys when they need to. I’d rather see this team script their dump plays and use them as a basis, and only carry it in when the opportunity presents itself. Better chance at possession, the puck always goes deep, and it lessens the chance of a steal/mistake that the other team can turn into a short-handed goal (I don’t think we’ve given up many, if any? but still)
That's the inherent flaw in our strategy...
They never know whether they’re gonna carry it in or dump it in until after the other forwards are standing still at the opposing blue line. How can they be expected to beat defenders to the puck if they have no speed coming through the zone. I see other teams use this against us and almost always beat us to pucks, meanwhile we have to scratch and claw nine times out of ten to regain possession because what is supposed to be “dump and chase” turns into “turn it over and try to take it away”. If the forwards keep their feet moving and the guy with the puck dumps it in early enough as to not cause an offsides, their forechecking would be exponentially more effective.
One of the worst things I see is that they start skating up as a unit, then there’s 1 drop pass to a trailing player (usually Rich or MDZ), who then lugs the puck up and tries to gain the zone while everyone else just hangs at the blue-line. Then there’s a pass attempt to somebody standing at the point, at which point the whole thing goes to shit.
Caerid and Kritikal, so right for both of you. Skating the puck in and setting up is ideal, but we don’t have the guys to do it consistently. We don’t skate it in deep enough. The dump n chase is a totally acceptable method to enter the zone, but our guys never know what the puck handler is going to do. guys just got to get on the same page, pick a zone entry technique and stick with it. i’ve made this point on here before, its not a bad thing to do, if its the right kind of dump in
Well at least Hagelin is getting some PP time now and although it hasnt translated into scoring yet, I beleive hes seen only a handfull of PP’s so far he’s the guy to make this work. Dump in Hagelin chases secures low position and hopefully gets it to a open man in front or back to the line. He’s shifty enough with posesion of the puck to make things happen imo.
It hasn’t translated into scoring because while yes, it’s only been 8.7 min of PP time for Hagelin, they’ve generated only 4 PP shots with him on the ice. That’s not nearly good enough.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 25, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
This really won’t matter because when it comes to our PP, he’s not the type of guy who’s going to see the puck that much, if at all. Hell, they had him manning the front of the net at a few points the other night. Sure, he’ll probably help the retrieval process a bit, but he’s not going to change anything.
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Interesting – last game they stationed one guy in front of the net ( good idea) and another in the high slot between the circles. The problem with this is that everyone is (again) stationary. The forward with the puck is moving a little; the d-men are sliding back and forth-a little; but it allows the other team to stay in their box and block the shooting lanes. Either have a high slot OR a man in front and then have the other 2 forwrads moving to open ice/shooting positions. This is power play 101 from my high school team. Movement, movement, movement. If you stop your feet it simply helps the othe team kill the power play.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions
Funny you said Kerr, I was just thinking about him and how he would just stand by the side of the net and bat puck in.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 26, 2012 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
pp
I think del zatto should be off the pp he tries too many home run passes and won’t shoot enough(rosival)he is better then him but not on the pp.richards belongs on the point because he is smart first and foremost,that being said they need to clog the net and shoot more obivously.PP breakouts are simple 2 men up the boards and one cuts to the center and you hit the cutter or the man trailing him it usually works.
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