Brendan Morrow
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 AM EST
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PrintWith talk about him potentially being traded I think he's definitely a guy the rangers should be looking at. He's similar to Shane doan and maybe has more offensive ability. He does have another year on his deal but the rangers can make space for him with relative ease if he has success. Him having played with Richards definitely helps also. This could be a guy that pushes the rangers over the top and can make the rangers roll almost two first lines. Thoughts on Morrow? I think morrow is a good fit for the right price, but niewendyk might wana play hard ball to trade his captain.
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I think he’s a good fit, but I’m not willing to give up too much for him.
There are people on this site that want to give up Dubi/AA and others for him, when those guys are already better than him at a younger age.
If it means giving up like MZA and Valentenko, I’m fine. But anything too much more than that I’ll pass.
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you must be worried then
because if both dubi and AA are better, there would be no reason for the FO to trade for him at all. If the rumors are true, the brass do not evaluate Dubi and AA the same way you do, so if the rangers do get Morrow, I guarantee you will not be happy with the trade.
I don’t know enough about Morrow to make a judgement, but i do know that if AA doesn’t start scoring he is in danger of being traded. Believe me; I’m his number one defender and try to explain to people that say he is worthless because he isn’t scoring that his defensive ability and a knack for setting up offensive plays is invaluable, but its getting to the point where if any of Richards/Cally/Gaborik are slumping, the Rangers simply cannot score.
Offensively gifted players are much rarer than defensively gifted players, so I can see him getting sent off if he doesn’t score a few goals in the coming weeks. Fans will not be happy, but it happens.
@btown46
I haven’t seen any credible rumors that devalue Dubi or AA. The comments here and a couple of random blogs is it… the rumors have only been that the Rangers could be a team looking at Morrow.
Meh, rumors are rumors, and I’ve found that the hottest rumors tend to become the biggest disappointments once the trade deadline has ended. And the inverse is also true, where players never talked about tend to be the ones moved, especially those that get the ‘damning with faint praise’ treatment from the coaches and management.
because if both dubi and AA are better, there would be no reason for the FO to trade for him at all.
That’s not really true, because Morrow is much better than, say, Mitchell, so you’re still upgrading the lineup.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 30, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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There are other guys on the team besides Dubi and AA.
If we could make a trade for Morrow, and slot him in the lineup instead of Rupp, it would improve the team.
And what rumors? Hockeybuzz rumors? All 1% of them that end up being right?
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AA, for all his struggles, has the same amount of points as Morrow.
So there goes the offensively gifted argument, especially given how AA is about 10 years younger and a few mil cheaper.
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Fair enough. With Step and Richie the top two centers, if the team moves AA as part of a bigger deal it could make sense.
But he’s a 23 year old that could put up 40-50 points this year playing against some real solid competition. He’s good defensively and decent on faceoffs as well. Lastly, he’s cheap.
So if we are going to trade him we need to realize he has value to teams, and at the worst is a 2nd line center.
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I agree
I’m a staunch supporter of keeping him, all I’m saying is I can see him getting traded. Especially since Hagelin can fill his niche quite well so far on the first line. He may not be as savvy, but he can do a lot of the same things with his speed.
@btown46
Fair enough.
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Tuomo Ruutu?
Carolna has hinted that he may be in play sooner rather than later. TSN thinks possibly this week.
Thoughts on him and what he is worth? Final year at $3.8m,, rental. Does he fit our system, and who would you play him with?
Sounds like there’s going to be a bidding war that could top out at a #1 pick and a decent prospect. It’s a bit much, he’s worth IMO a 2 and middle-prospect.
He’d fit perfectly. With how often we change lines, who knows where he’d fit.
He’ll probably take Rupp or Mitchells spot in the lineup.
Again though, it comes to how much we have to give up.
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He’s sort of like Dubinsky, so you slot him damn near anywhere on the 1st 3 lines LW spot and pray he fits. Hagelin is looking good at 1, so you try him with Richards to start, and I think Dubinsky/AA/Mitchell would be a pretty good 3rd line.
Yeah. Well at this point their are so many combos that I really don’t know.
Hagelin Stepan Gaborik
Anisimov Richards Callahan
Wolski/Morrow/Ruutu Dubinsky Mitchell
Feds Boyle Prust
Rupp
I guess something like that could work. I know Rupp has had some clutch goals, but he really is trailing the rest of team in terms of effectiveness.
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Demand is going to drive his price higher than it should be, hopefully we could do it without losing any roster spots.
Exactly, which is why I’m not a fan of most of these acquisitions.
I feel that Prospal would come cheaply enough however, and could be a great locker room presence as well.
Maybe MZA and Valentenko for Prospal or something like that. IDK. Could be the final piece for this team.
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The only move I want to see Sather make at the deadline is MZA and Wolski for draft picks. Preferably 2nd rounders.
There is something odd about Morrow being on the block. This is a contending team (Dallas) who is only four points from a playoff spot. I’m not suggesting that they’re considering tanking the season, but this doesn’t make sense.
As for what to send back in a deal, there is a suggestion I’ve heard someone offer:
Morrow and Fristic for Wolski, Stralman and Erixon.
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I would think Erixon is untouchable unless we were trading for a big time d-man like Weber or Suter.
He was untouchable until McDonagh decided to play lights out.
Now we can dangle him for a good deal
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by #30TheKingofNY on Jan 30, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
He’s still untouchable.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 30, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda have to agree. He is probably our highest ranked prospect and on the right side we have:
Girardi
Sauer
Erixon
McIlrath
With the Sauer injury I dont think you can part with any of the RD at this point. In a few years a decision might need to be made but we need to see how the kids develop and Sauer rebounds.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
Even if Sauer is healthy, you don’t do it unless you have a big name on D coming the other way, like one of the Nashville guys. Or maybe part of a deal for a real big top liner like Parise. Definitely not for Morrow though.
Speaking of which...
From the Post:
Sources say inquiring general managers are getting the word Devils GM Lou Lamoriello is not dealing unrestricted free agent-to-be Zach Parise before the NHL’s Feb. 27 trade deadline.
Instead, it is thought if the Devils do not want to re-sign Parise in June, they’ll trade his rights to a team that wants an advance shot at negotiations before he becomes free July 1.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devils/parise_stays_for_now_QZKgZgArXruVzuhqHNnRMN#ixzz1l2Opya5e
that was probably the plan all along. Parise may want to come to the Rangers as they offer everything he wants: $$, stability, stays in the area, style of hockey, fairly young team, contender, etc. then Dubi would have to be traded to relieve cap space (to Edmonton for prospects (Lindmark?) and picks, IMO).
Trading him now would be a huge blow to the organization. They are already having financial difficulties and you have to assume that trading him would have some negative effect on ticket sales.
I also cant see him wanting to reesign there given how far they are from contending and the aforementioned financial issues.
I cant see the Devils ever trading him to us but trading his ‘rights’ is a bit different.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
i think the rangers have a great shot at him in FA. they can fit him.
by Richter1994 on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Zach hates the Rangers.
To be honest i’d rather him go out west. Really don’t want to keep signing these free agents and have a ton of money tied up long term.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 31, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
And you base that from what? That he said it as a Devil?
Cmon, its all part of the rivalry. NYR is know to be a top end organization on how they treat their players. IF he wants to stay in the area, wants to win and wants to get paid big bucks I am very sure he would not have an issue playing for the Rangers.
You have to sign FA to complement your cap-controlled youth. Unless you go for a full rebuild and get 1st pick for years straight its the only other way to build a team. You still need to do it responsibly and with the right person. I think Parise would be the right person.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Parise is the right person
But we already have huge contracts in Gaborik, Lundqvist, and Richards. Parise might want $7.5 million for the next 6 seasons or something like that. Not that he isn’t worth it just we already have some big contracts on our hands. If we do make a move for Parise we have to cut ties with Dubinsky, Boyle and Rupp.
Dubinsky makes too much money and isn’t performing nearly enough so he could be moved for a pick and prospect.
Boyle and Rupp have no place on this roster then because with another big contract you resort to young and cheap AHL players to play the fourth line role.
You also have to keep in mind Stepan and Mcdonagh will get a big raise in the next couple years.
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"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
we always think a like until now. Parise, I have been told by a friend of mine who has agent connections, would love to come to the rangers and like I fit nash in going forward you can fit in parise. dubi would have to be traded but its doable. total team $$ would be around $60M under my plan if Parise were at $8M. he’s a perfect fit and would make the Rangers serious contenders for the Cup next year. he’s not getting traded this year but maybe at the draft.
I do think we think a like a lot also
but right now stepan makes peanuts ($850,00) and Mcdonagh ($1,300,000). You have to take into account they’re going to get significant raises and extensions. In a salary cap world you have to think at least 3 years in advance. I’d hate to lost depth because we decided to spend a lot of money on 1 player.
Also, the Devils have NEVER in their history traded with NYR. I don’t see that changing now with Lou Lamoriello still GM. I would like Parise but only at the right price. Signing Parise means that when gaborik and lundqvist are due to become UFA’s they sign more cap friendly deals. No way gaborik continues being paid $7.5 million and Lundqvist $6.8 million
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Slats has finally done a good job at setting pay levels and expectations. I would imagine Step gets around the same AA got and Dubi and Cally got during their first go at RFA.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
from what I know Parise wants the Rangers, whether it’s the same the pther way around is the key because of adding another high priced player as you stated. after 2013/14, gaby’s and the king’s deals are done and I would imagine lowered. I agree the Devs don’t trade with the Rangers and the Devs won’t trade Parise until the draft anyway. what if the Devs trade Parise’s rights to the Rangers for Dubi+. or the Rangers just wait for Parise then sign him as a FA. then Dubi can traded to a team like the Oilers who would love to have him and send back a slew of prospects and picks starting with Lindmark? or whomever?
We have cap room starting next year and we should take advantage of it.
Dubi gets traded for a cost controlled prospect so for the extra $3mil a year you get upgraded to Parise and also have another prospect.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
cap room's nice
my only fear is we have another 2007-08 season on our hands. A lot of star power but no depth and players not producing.
While i’d love to get Parise he’d have to take a Richards esque contract for me to consider it.
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"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not likely when you have Haggs, Kreider, Bourque, Erixon, etc…
Difference is now we have kids who know the system, drafted for the system and who are cost controlled.
Im not saying build the whole team out of FA, just one more top 3 winger.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 31, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
point is that the cap is a year by year thing and I believe the Rangers can fit one more high priced player ala BR’s contract type. get it in right before the CBA expires on Sept 15th. :).
I rather bring in a guy who makes 3-4 mil and fits nicely within the team structure.
Rather than another star and ego.
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I’m fine with that. I think, ultimately, the Rangers are in a good spot trade-wise and can be very choosy in what they do no matter what direction they go in. they are not desperate to make a move.
Exactly. Which is why I get so frustrated when people want to give up 3 roster players for one guy.
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Another Star and ego?
Yeah it really seems to hurt the team having Henrik, Gabby and Richards ego on the team
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
depends on the guy. but I will say this to both of you, I love the home grown players as this is the direction I’ve wanted for years, just don’t get blinded into thinking that they are always the answer. Dubi is my 2nd favorite player on the team but he’s not cutting it. He’s here to score 25 goals and 5 is just ridiculous. Especially at $4M+ in a cap league. Just being honest.
We were discussing Parise specifically. I have never hear he is a locker room cancer or has an ego problem.
My point is Parise is an upgrade to Dubi whom you can get by just signing allowing you to turn Dubi into another asset. I don’t see much of a downside.
Agree on your homegrown comment. I too love to see a kids full development and am happy to see the organization developed kids the right way. but as you said, you cant get too emotionally attached. If some don’t progress or produce then you need to make a decision. Even if they do, not all will get the chance to play on the team depending on our depth and current needs/holes.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
Why is he here to score 25 goals? Why is, say 15-40-55 not reasonable? (not that he’s even on that pace, but you get the idea)
There’s more to signing contracts than goal scoring, and you know that.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
George, Dubi should be in the 20-25 goal area and the 55 pts you stated. we all expected that, Dubi expected that, and rangers management expected that. I have no problem with your stats if that’s what he ends up with but he won’t the way it’s going. IMO, he and AA are playing themselves off this team. I’m not happy about that but that’s reality.
Source link or calling BS
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by George E. Ays on Jan 30, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah okay.
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Morrow has hardly played this year
He is just coming off of IR. The last time he played was Nov 21st.
Morrow is too risky for me to consider. He is banged up and can easily be on IR again. I would hate to give up a roster player for him, only to have him get injured once he comes to NY.
I’d like to see Sather go after Prospal, Selanne, or Stastny/Hemsky.
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by middletownbull on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Actually, he has played 21 games since then, he only missed 6 games. Has played 41 this season. He did go back on the IR for the game before the break, not sure if he is coming right back off or not. He’s played more games than Hemsky.
Prospal could be OK, Selanne would be great but probably not obtainable… I don’t want to go near Hemsky.. and not sure what you’d do with Stastny, other than trade away a lot of roster players. Stastny’s stats are worse than B Richards right now, btw.
I’d only take a rental, unless you are tying up someone who is terrific and in their prime.
I posted the wrong info.
I thought Morrow was out for much longer than that. He is on IR right now with a neck injury. Retroactive until Jan 21st. Pinched nerve maybe? He does block shots and is second on Dallas with hits, so he would probably fit in with our team concept quickly.
I don’t think we should be gunning for Stastny or Hemsky either, however, if their teams are looking to move young talent like that, then we should inquire. Stastny’s cap hit is ridiculous though.
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by middletownbull on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
With Parise, it would give us essentially 4 guys making a combined 30 million.
With guys like Sauer, McD, Step, and Hags getting big raises in the next few years, we need to be aware of that.
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we need more scoring..................... a two way power forward..
we lack creativity and scoring and skill on powerplay and even strenght
Dont you wish we had a hossa or datsuk with gabby???
I think we should get hossa.. but hes tied up for too long…
Our whole team are pretty much two-way forwards.
Nothing wrong with being good on both sides of the puck, but we need more firepower for sure.
And we do have a Hossa/Datsuyk on this team. His name is Brad Richards. Not all great players mesh well.
And no way Chicago trades Hossa.
I rather make a trade for a Prospal type guy. Or at least let Wolski play.
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Or at least let Wolski play.
I feel like we’ve tried this before and it’s failed. Wolski might produce but he definitely will not play well enough defensively for Torts.
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"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know if you reply failed but I definitely don't think he fits.
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"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 1, 2012 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Something tells me you've been studying up on your NHL12
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