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Rangers Vs. Devils: Ridiculous Bounce Costs Rangers Two Points In Jersey

The New York Rangers couldn't have lost two points any other way tonight, but it took a ridiculous bounce off of stanchion, and right on to the stick of David Clarkson. There was absolutely defensive lapse, or anyone's fault, it was just a bad bounce at the right time for the Devils.

After a fairly even first period, Anton Stralman finally got the Rangers on the board, with just over 30 seconds remaining in the period. Marian Gaborik's original shot was blocked, and fluttered over to Stralman who had an empty cage. The Rangers would head into the locker room with a 1-0 lead, one they wouldn't be complaining about.

Just eight minutes into the second period, Zach Parise got his own rebound, and put it over the shoulder of Martin Biron. That goal would tie up the game, and make way for a very energetic finish to the second period.

Follow after the jump for more.

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Just two minutes into the third period, Brian Boyle got the go-ahead goal that beat a sprawling Martin Brodeur. A point shot from Stu Bickel took a bounce off of a player in front, and landed right on the stick of the open man Boyle. With just under five minutes left in the third period, Artem Anisimov took a very lazy holding call in the defensive zone.

Ilya Kovalchuk would eventually strike on the power play with 4:35 remaining in regulation. However, just 36 seconds later, Marian Gaborik would make an excellent pass over to Michael Del Zotto, who snapped it under the arm of Brodeur.

Things started looking up for the Rangers, as they were able to battle back, and regain the lead once again. The hockey gods were clearly not on their sides tonight, as in the final 30 seconds, a horrendous bounce would cost them two points.

Andy Greene would fire in the puck, which wrapped around the glass, and took a strange bounce off of the stanchion. The bounce was nothing but perfect, as it directed right in front of the net to the wide-open David Clarkson. Clarkson shoveled it five-hole, and the game was tied, and it would need to be decided in overtime.

In overtime, Derek Stepan had a golden opportunity to tuck in the game winner, but it glided from post to post, across the goal line. The game would still remain tied after overtime, and we were off to a shootout. Ilya Kovalchuk was the first Devil shooter, which beat Biron through the five-hole.

Looking at the replay, Biron made that way to easy for Kovalchuk, and even Ilya admitted it. "I don't know what he was thinking", Kovalchuk stated after the game. The Rangers shooters were Derek Stepan, Brad Richards, and Marian Gaborik, all of which failed on their attempts.

I don't completely agree with the shooters, as I believe guys like Carl Hagelin or Brandon Dubinsky should have been given a shot. With the loss, the Rangers still remain atop of the Eastern Conference by a single point. The Rangers will be back at it tomorrow night as they will be visiting the Buffalo Sabres, in Buffalo.

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Currently taking donations for the New Jersey Devils Point Foundation lol

by Bryan Winters on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Zing!

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by Dig Deep on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

anybody else starting to get really annoyed with richards?

by nyrangerfan521 on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

I still blame it on Munn

by Bryan Winters on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks like last years Gabby. Weak with the puck and moving like he’s injured. What happened to him? He was kicking ass and taking names a few months back.

Maybe he got munn pregnant and she asked him the “question” abort or not to……no wonder his heads in the clouds lately .

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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wow. solid theory. lets roll with that

by nyrangerfan521 on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So we all agree and sticking to this ?

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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yup

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Not yet. Hard to complain about much of anything when the team is doing so well. It would be nice if Richards was producing more but he is still in his first year with the team and has been a clutch player for us this year.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I should try to dig up a study on how forwards perform on their 1st yr after signing FA contract. Basically, its a down year for most of them.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabby had his best year when he first came than decided to have a down year…I guess he forgot how it works

by Prustyballs94 on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah, he was called out as one of the rare exceptions.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Age also a factor. Difference between a 27 y.o. forward and a 31 y.o one.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow got to see the highlights on NBCSN

That bounce was absolutely brutal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it. Then Devils fans on other boards come out and comment about a great win that their team earned like it wasn’t a deus ex machina.

Well, at least they should come out with a vengeance against Buffalo tomorrow…and Hank will be in.

Although, here’s one of those scenarios where PP inefficiency probably cost us as well seeing as we had opportunities to go up by more than one and failed. Also, NJD can only win in OT and SO and we perform so poorly in those scenarios.

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by NYRWolfer on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

For anyone who doesn’t feel that a strong PP is a necessity for this team, last nights game was a perfect example of what PP production can do for a team. It can close the door on a team that keeps scrapping back into the game, and it can insulate us from flukey goals, which are bound to happen from time to time. PP % aside, look at it on a game by game basis and its clear we could use the extra production badly.

by rmg10 on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

+1
When we stalled on the pp it seemed to boost the Devils. Momentum is a fickle thing but it definitely comes into play. An effective power play helps keep big ’mo on your side. They have to start getting it done better.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 1, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Just wanna point this out

But a certain Stanley Cup winner last season went 0 for the first round and was the second worst for the postseason last year on the PP…I think they did just fine with a lack luster power play

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by Kevin Power on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

We keep relying on that performance, which may be an anomaly. I don’t care what the statistics say, our brutal PP is hurting us and will continue to hurt us if it stays like this.

by BigB22 on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks boys, nice to hear someone think outside the stats. Just watch the game and its clear.

by rmg10 on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and it was an anomaly. That’s like saying its good to smoke because my grandparent’s friend has smoked a pack of cigarettes everyday of his life and is 95 and healthy.

By all purposes the Bruins should have lost that series, and only won because an absurdly high level of goaltending, also an anomaly.

Fact of the matter is if we score a PP goal last night we put the game away and its over.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, fact is if Brodeur isn’t a friggin wall in the first period they blow their doors off early and the PP would’ve been irrelevant.

The PP needs to get going for sure, but the Devils are an outstanding PK team this year. Getting one would’ve been nice, but you can’t expect it against a team that’s allowing only 1 out of 10 PPs to be converted.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

thats not a sound argument. obviously if we are blowing a team out the PP is less important. The bottom line is, we didnt convert, the devs did. It matters in close games (which we play a lot of)

by rmg10 on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The Devs PP came on a brutal turnover followed by some ‘close your eyes awful’ transition defense. Had very little to do with them having an extra man on the ice.

I’m not arguing that our PP isn’t needed, but it isn’t making or breaking our season. The Rangers win hockey games because they’re a strong 5v5 team with stronger goaltending. That formula isn’t going to change because of a couple extra PP goals. (which is all the difference between 15 and 20% conversion really is).

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember trying to figure out what the ideal situation was with regards to special teams and how it would affect goal scoring and goal prevention:

League best PP (using the league leader’s PP% as a proxy and applying it to the Rangers actual power play opps per game) combined with the league worst PK (similar exercise of using the league’s worst PK% and applying that to the penalty kills per game).

League average PP and PK

League best PK and league worst PP

I don’t remember what season it was for, but if I recall the best impact on goal differential came from having a league best PK/league worst PP.

Point was, if you’re going to choose to be really good at one of the special teams, it’s more valuable to have a good PK.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

they took advantage of the man up opportunity, thats it. we had three tries, and didnt find the net. When you make statements that discount the importance of the PP in the game of hockey you are essentially saying the entire hockey world doesnt know what they’re talking about.

by rmg10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The ‘entire hockey world’ will tell you that puck possession and 5v5 play are the most important parts of the game. I’m not saying the PP isn’t a factor, but it’s not what drives long term success. You’re talking about 6-10 minutes a game as opposed to 40.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Put another way, a team full of Kotalik’s and Marc Andre Bergeron’s could probably put up 25-30% power play success. That team would get hammered for the other 85-90% of the game.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactlly what I have been saying all along.

This is something that is 15% of the game and we are talking about a difference of 5% out of that 15%.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hank not playing tonight was just stupid

If this was a buffalo loss it wouldn’t of been so bad but torts should of known Devils only play good against us and I knew if this was going to a shootout we would lose. Devils numbers for shootout r awesome.
If it was just birons night to lose well I would of prefered him to lose to the sabres then Devils.

Ps torts stop trying Rich on the shootouts. He just not good at it on the Rangers. Try Del Zotto try hagelin ….0 for 6 should of been a flag to not choose him lol

Ugh tough loss to swallow especially against fat ass and a depleted devils team and when we were ahead for a min to go ….

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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Stepan shouldn’t be in there either. And neither should Gabby.

They all stink at it.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

We should let Biron shoot.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

why not? He seems to know goalies well enough.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Gaby's approach lately

I think he’s been the most consistently dangerous shootout threat we have.

Honestly, unlike last season, we just aren’t a good shootout team. Luckily, we ARE a good 4-on-4 team. We just need to score in OT and avoid the shootout and thank god shootouts aren’t in the playoffs.

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by Town on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you send it perfectly…. Hank not being in the net tonight is absolutly stupid.. just dumb….. and I love how people that are rangers fans love to make excuses…. lets look at it the way it really is…. AA what a joke.. really hope he gets traded for someone that can actualy do something how about scoring a goal… joke…. richards…joke…. has not done anyhting and I know people are gonna be all over me for saying this but he gets 9 million dollars a year and he needs to be producing… last night he had a breakaway and a shout-out attempt and nothing…. could be another horrible signing….. all i wanna see if people being accountable…. budi needs to step up… prust needs to schore… richards neds to score….. the bottom line is that is we need our D to score on nightly basis we are not going anywhere in the playoffs and in april we will all make excuses again if we dont do somthing on FEB 27th

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Talk about an over reaction rofl

We lost in a so in a game we should have won….BLOW THE WHOLE TEAM UP!

by Prustyballs94 on Feb 1, 2012 7:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yea prust needs to score, so does hank and rupp. brich should start hitting everything out there. lalala

by polishBLUE on Feb 1, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

who is ‘budi’?

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

and does ‘budi neds to schore’ too?

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

this is gold, pure gold Jerry

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I know people are gonna be all over me for saying this but he gets 9 million dollars a year and he needs to be producing

Any criticism or your statement should probably start with an identification of how much money Richards actually makes annually.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

who cares… ure missing the point… he makes a shit load of money…. do something on the ice not just steal the money…..

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

In case you didn’t read above, you may have overreacted to this loss. Teams and players go on hot and cold streaks. He’s on a bit of a cold one. It happens and he’ll turn it around at some point.

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by Broheem NJ on Feb 1, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

AA has been cold for 2 months

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You were talking about Richards. Now you’re shifting to AA. Think I’m done here.

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by Broheem NJ on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I know its just one point… I was just saying in general I feel that players like richards whos making a lot of money needs to do more and same goes for AA

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

just forget it … we all want rangers to win every night ….. maybe i am overreacting…. my bad.. go rangers get 2 points tonight…

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

AA is making less than 2 mil….

chicken scratch.. even with his stuggles, he’s quite valuable for his contract.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

id like him to do better and develop more but for what he makes and the role hes in now, hes worth his money for sure. our team is deep. its why we keep wnning. one guy goes cold and someone else steps into his spot. in the first 2 months AA was talked about like an all star on this site. give him some time. he will have a good month towards the playoffs and everyone will shut up again.

by nhl21 on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Stu Bickel makes a shit load of money as far as I’m concerned, let alone Richards. So it’s a pretty big point when you’re off by $3m.

Anyway, Brad Richards is not a strong ES player. He wasn’t in Tampa, he wasn’t in Dallas, and he hasn’t been here. That should not be a shock to anyone. The only area where he’s truly been a disappointment is the PP, and it’s hard to pin their foibles on him when the PP has been below average for 3 years now.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s making $2m this year, IIRC. He also had a $10m signing bonus incorporated into his first year. So really he’s making $12m this year.

The only reason any of it matters though is because the cap hit dictates what other pieces you can add. So in that respect, his actual salary doesn’t mean a thing other than how much Dolan has to shell out.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

understood

Just speaking out of principle….also what is his cap hit? at least 7, right?

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by Town on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

$6.66m

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

And the winner for overreaction of the first game back from the All Star Break loss goes to...

This guy right here. I applaud your effort sir

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by Kevin Power on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Your hockey knowledge is a joke!

by BigB22 on Feb 1, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah youll clap when they lose in the 2ndd round

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I will, I'll stand up and give them a standing ovation

Because losing in the secound round of the playoffs is a hell of a lot better than being one and done in April

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by Kevin Power on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Richards has been playing very well for us

for a forward making 4-5 million, not 9. I have no complaints about this season, but I can definitely see us getting on him in a few years.

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by Town on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we knew that going into the contract.

Essentially as long as we win before that, it doesn’t matter.

If we don’t win, than it’ll become an issue.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Callahan

Cally cost the Rangers the game really with that turnover on the PK. Prime directive is ALWAYS get the puck deep so the 2 chasers can get back. Very bad turnover. The bounce was what it was, nothing could be done, but the turnover cost them.

Crap I hate losing to them and their fat goalie.

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by dsteak on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Anisimov took the bad penalty deep in our own zone, late in the third period, when we had the lead. Torts will not let him forget that mistake.

While Cally was a little aggressive on the PK (they have scored shorthanded vs. NJ) the goal is directly related to a bad penalty when we had the lead.

by oktober75 on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad penalty?

He poked at the puck with his stick and the Devil grabbed his stick.

Awful, awful call.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Anisimov

Hard to criticize Cally, but I’m sure he knows and feels badly about the mistake. But Anisimov was awful in each period.

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by dsteak on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He played a lot better tonight, don’t think he was awful at all before that penalty.

by BigB22 on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought he played well until the penalty.

The penalty was bullshit, but it got to him because Torts probably went ape-shit on him.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

what did he do well? multiple turnovers, no hands around the goal, dumb penalty (even though it was weak, 4 minutes left, you don’t do what he did, ad nauseum).

he is not alone however.

i do have a feeling he will play better tonight, maybe even a goal.

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by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed 100%

I said that to my wife right when he turned it over, even before the Devs scored. Can’t do that let alone do it late in the 3rd on the pk. That’s on Cally.
Team responded though – Gabby to MDZ was a fantastic response.
The bad bounce – I blame it on the rink maintenance being one of the costs cut given the Devs financial problems.

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by Broheem NJ on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

that wasn’t the only weirdo bounce either in that end. there was one off the glass too. i wonder if the devils know about those quirks.

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by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see why they wouldn’t… Montreal’s boards are funky like that too and I’ve seen them use that to their advantage (not only against us either). Knowing where the kinks in the boards/stanchions can benefit your team by providing a free touch pass if the puck hits the right spot.

by Kritikal on Feb 1, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't fall asleep after this one.

This was fucking heartbreaking.

Rangers didn’t ply their best but they certainly played good enough. I mean how does a puck go off the boards like that?

Also, our Marty was not good tonight. Made some good saves but overall was shaky. The first goal he gave up was bad, and the way he played Kovalchuk in the shootout was atrocious.

At least we have the buffalo game tomorrow to help ease our sorrows.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 31, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah the kovalchuk shootout goal was painful to watch. That’s how Gabby should of done it to Marty not some bullshit wannabe Zuccarello move. The parise turn pissed me off cause it looked like Biron wasn’t trying anymore (rewatch that I’m serious )

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by -19-AgainstAll on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

somthing was up with Biron prior to the shootout. when he was talking to Hank he was visibly annoyed and Hank kept shaking his head in disagreement. i think he was feeling bad about some of the goals he gave up (1 and 3).

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by dsteak on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 1, 2012 7:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

didn’t we only lose one point?

by voice22 on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

no they gained a point. : ) glass half full.

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by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

you are a wlecome voice of reason sir.

by nhl21 on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the bad bounce only cost us one point, I guess you can read the title emphasized a different way for it to not be wrong.

by BigB22 on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

was going to post this….cost us a two-point swing with Jerz though

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by Town on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Talk about your puck luck...

Anyone find it strange that the Rangers lose due to a flukey bounce and the Bruins win because of one?

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by NYRWolfer on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

Anisimov’s holding call was a penalty, but Parise also held his stick. Should have been penalties for both of them.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

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by Kevin Power on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Was the All-Star break that long? Because 1 OT loss, albeit to a team we should’ve beaten, shouldn’t be putting us in crisis mode right now. Lets take a deep breath.

by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 1, 2012 2:05 AM EST reply actions  

I love our home grown players as much as anyone but Dubi and AA are bringing nothing to the table right now. If at least one if not both are not traded by the deadline I will be very, very surprised. That was about as aggravating a loss as I can remember in a long time. That should have been 2 points.

by Richter1994 on Feb 1, 2012 5:38 AM EST reply actions  

as I believe guys like Carl Hagelin or Brandon Dubinsky should have been given a shot.

Didn’t we complain enough about Jagr not taking the shot, and Gabby not taking the shat in previous seasons??? We can’t do a 180 and now complain that BR and Gabby ARE taking the shots. Do we want our superstars on the SO or not?

by NYdemo on Feb 1, 2012 5:51 AM EST reply actions  

SO is a skill that some have and some dont… you cant force it… gabby as good as he is should never be in a SO he is just awful at it…..some of the worst players on teams could be the best So players.. I just dont get how the rangers have not figured out 3 players on that team that are by far the best in SO… they do this every practice….. in know WW and erik are good at it but we have to figure it out or at the end its gonna cost us a play off spot or home ice….. last night was a joke….. all 3 shooters horrible moves…. marty is 100 years old and you dont make him move… joke… 3 horrible moves… or 3 horrible no moves… joke

by bkolaric on Feb 1, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabby abs has the skills for a shootout he just needs to treat it as a break away…I would prob choose him over anyone in the nhl to score a breakaway goal

by Prustyballs94 on Feb 1, 2012 7:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I wouldn’t. Not even close. There are a few goals on each time I’d choose before him.

But you are right about him treating it like one. If he skated full speed at the goalie and ripped a low wrister, like Kovalchuk did, it’s a goal over 50% of the time.

He keeps trying to deke and it just doesn’t work.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

last year

look who they used last year to win all of those shootouts. wolski, zucc, and EC.

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by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

EC and Wolski are scratched, Zucc’s in the AHL… So, we’re stuck with second-string shootout players. I would really like to see Stepan, AA, and MDZ in the shootout.

by Kritikal on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ridiculous

This was just a game that made you drop your jaw to the floor. A lucky bounce gives the devils two points. Although we can’t say much because the Rangers did not play to their best in the second and third. 1 point is better than no points as I always say. Besides it was the first game back from all star break. The only way to bounce back from this is get a win in buffalo tonight.

by Andrew Graziano on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

PK?

Can anyone explain to me why the league’s fastest skater isn’t killing penalties?
How many SHG does he have?
Seriously.

Bad bounce but they had their chances, I still would’ve started Hank and gone with Marty tonight.

On Richards, not sure what the issue is. Move him down to the third line and bump up Boyle. Maybe he can regain some form playing against bottom 6

by Michael Tricario on Feb 1, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

MSG

I’m a TWC customer so I watch games at bars. Whoever is in charge of the graphic displays during the broadcast should be fired. I’ve noticed so many mistakes the season, the most recent being last night . . Boyle’s goal was apparently assisted by Prust and Eminger. I’m looking at the screen like WTF how did they get to dress an extra player. I figured they couldn’t mess up THAT bad and give credit to someone not even on the active roster. WOW.
And they want MORE money?

by Michael Tricario on Feb 1, 2012 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

I've seen so many errors like that since last season...

I remember they completely butchered the spelling to Ondrej Pavelec’s name when we played Atlanta (now Winnipeg), the various special teams clocks being non-existent, having it say one player and panning the camera to another player (sometimes on the opposite team)… the list goes on…

by Kritikal on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Next

Bad luck cost us a point. We got one. Next.

by Chec on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not worried

About the devils. They will struggle for a playoff spot and out inthe first round. They don’t have tending, D or the depth upfront to be a serious threat.

by Chec on Feb 1, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Their forwards

Can be scary, although you wonder how much gas in the tank guys like Elias and Sykora will have come playoff time if they’re fighting to stay in the playoff race the rest of the way.

D and goaltending are definitely issues, I mean as bad as Biron’s angle on Parise’s goal was, Brodeur looked pretty bad on all the Rangers goals. The top teams in the conference have given the Devils problems this season so I don’t see them doing much in the playoffs.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Kovy

terrifies me

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by Town on Feb 1, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

they rely on their stars basically. when they don’t score they lose. they don’t have much depth at this point, but they will be looking to add someone soon.

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

They’re obviously reliant on Kovy and Parise, but goal-scoring is broader than you’d think. Those two, Elias, Clarkson, Sykora, and I think Henrique are all in double digits and some in the high teens. Devs don’t have much contribution from scoring on defense, though.

In my view, the Rangers are too reliant on Gaborik and need more contributions beyond he, Callahan, and Richards. Goals from Strolman, Boyle, Rupp, Prust etc are infrequent though some have come at good times.

I could be wrong about my read of their numbers, but I don’t see much depth in scoring/ points there. The Devs are at least fortunate to have several scorers in double-digits.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, any of them individually is fairly infrequent, but the Rangers have gotten only 66% of their goals from the top 7, whereas the Devils are at ~86%. 1 out of every 3 goals they score is coming from an ‘unlikely source.’ That’s also with guys like Dubinsky and Anisimov performing miserably in that department.

Overall, the Devils are balanced across the top, but more reliant on that top talent to pull the weight. The Rangers are top heavy, but have the depth to get scoring from any/everywhere.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap. I just responded but hit cancel instead.

In sum: both teams have roughly 130 goals after 48-50 games. But 33%? Hmm. Wow. Perhaps the Rangers have scoring depth and the Devils have breadth?

I think your summary is a good one. Rangers are top-heavy (top three: Gab/ Calla/ Rich) but have a base, Devils have a broader plateau up top but get little from the base as far as goals (and probably points as well).

Devs certainly aren’t getting much goalscoring from the 3rd/ 4th line or the blueline. Last year’s suprises like Palmieri and Tedenby haven’t produced this year. Maybe Zajac and Josefson returning from injury will be a + for the 3rd line.

P.S. Zubrus is in double-digits in scoring. He’s tied for 6th with Sykora with 12 goals, one behind Henrique who as 13.

That’s more than your 4th place man, Stepan, who has 10. If we imagine Hagelin (8 goals after 30 games) had a full season so far, his pace puts him at 13 so far, providing Rangers with another offensive threat there. And a fast one at that.

Hm. I don’t know. Both the Rangers depth and Devils’ “breadth” are good to have, but Rangers have the added benefit of a great GAA from Lundqvist and, generally, solid performances from Biron.

I feel the Devils’ “breadth” insulates them from an individual slump, but there could be some burnout as “MyFave” said above. Individual slumps or injuries to Gaborik, Calla, etc. could be devastating unless the broader base really steps up for you guys.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you have 63 goals worth of Dubi/AA/Boyle that have 16 thus far. That’s the biggest issue.

However, the lack of ‘breadth’ is the reason top 6 forward is #1 on the consensus wish list right now.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Fortunately for you, the Rangers’ standing and the fact that it’s NYC could even open up a veteran to waive his NMC and get out of some struggling Western conference team to try to make a final cup run. Imagine Selanne or Iginla for example.

Unlikely for those two specifically at this point in their careers in those cities, but you never know.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Last thing: do you have any sense of whether Rangers’ D-man goals are “from” the blueline or more like Delzotto’s last night, when he’s trailing the on the break? It could mean a coaching/ stylistic difference spreads the goals around more for the Rangers.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head, most are right around where MDZ was, between the dot and top of the circle. A few around where Stralman was, not necessarily off rebounds but driving to the net. I can look up whether they came from transition or from zone pressure/forechecking, but I think it’s about 50/50 there.

Very few goals have come from point shots, if any.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to look it up, but thank you. That only covers the D and not all of them are two-way dmen, but it could mean they’re confident enough to go on the break or pinch in.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Only Bickel really hangs back of the current D. Everyone else will jump into the play pretty consistently.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you’re here, I will ask how did Stralman not make the Devils roster? He started slow, but he has played exceptionally well now that he’s up to speed.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know. Good question. Well it was tryout the same time as Sykora’s and they took a chance on him September/ October I think. I’d hope they could have put him in the AHL assuming the CBA and the cap would allow it.

I did find this discussion about it. Most Devs fans seemed non-plussed by Stralman though the author, Dr. Devil, was pushing for it.

http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2011/10/14/2490327/why-lou-should-just-go-ahead-and-dump-fraser-and-sign-stralman

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate losing to that team

Even moreso in a manner like that.

Re: the Anisimov penalty, looked pretty much like the holding call that Dubi drew earlier in the game, free hand wrapped around the player. My main gripe with that shift in general was why the hell was Rupp out trying to protect a 1 goal lead late?

But I guess this makes up for maybe some last second wins like Phoenix and Calagary that were pulled out of thin air.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

Also hate

How the guys at ILWT insist how the Rangers record is entirely based on luck. Yeah and they say nothing of their 9 wins in the coin toss/shoot out. Would love to see them lose out on the playoffs because they lose the ROW tiebreaker against all the other teams scrapping for the bottom seeds.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

It’s not everyone at ILWT, it’s John, and it’s not surprising in the least bit. Even his own users are calling him out now about it, which is kinda funny.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

True, the other guys make the usual snide remarks but that’s expected for rival fansite. He’s Chico-like levels of Devils apologist too, especially when it comes to Brodeur.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember I made a post on this site last year about how much of a douche he was.

I mean he is literally one of the biggest pompous pricks I have ever talked to in my life.

Now, the post was taken down, which I understand, but it’s good to see the guys turning against him.

Guys the definition of a douche.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Devils fan here.

I don’t think that.

I do think the Rangers will slip a little from their strong performance thus far. But, it’s not luck which got the Rangers to where they are. (It’s also not low draft picks, as others have suggested.) The Rangers are a skilled and dangerous team, but in my view it’s a team which relies too much on Gaborik’s production. As I recall he has nearly 25% of the goals by the top ten scorers and most of the points on his line.

Right now, the Devils spread their offensive threats around a little more, though the Rangers have many more contributions from defensemen (not just shots from the blueline).

Hagelin is an especially strong addition lately and he’s at a strong goal-scoring pace. Still, unless he, Richards, Callahan, and others all make steady contributions in points the Rangers will suffer for depth down the stretch.

An injury to Gaborik or a league-wide understanding of how to neutralize him could be bad for the Rangers (far-fetched perhaps, but not on match-ups in a playoff series).

That said, yeah they’re a strong team. They make and take advantage of opportunities.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess my issue is that sometimes you (not you personally) have to concede that it goes both ways in terms of luck. Yes, sometimes those few extra favorable bounces can make or break a game and you accumulate enough of them in a season and it can change a team from fighting through the 6-10 spots in the conference to fighting for home ice advantage. And yes, you guys are Devils fans and don’t want the Rangers to do well and the opposite is true for us, such is the nature of being a fan. I applaud you for coming over in a respectful manner with an objective view of a heated rival.

I’m well aware that the Rangers record has outrun what the possession metrics suggest they should and that performances like Biron’s last night should be more expected than what him and Lundqvist have been doing most of the season. Maybe the correction will come swiftly and mightily, maybe it won’t. But sometimes teams can simply be better than what the probabilities would indicate. It might not be sustainable for more than a season (hi Tampa Bay) , however that’s par for the course when you’re playing a game involving a solid rubber disc getting flung around a slick playing surface and deflecting off of a variety of differet objects.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 1, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can’t disgree with you there. Pasteur (or Pascal?) wrote that chance favors the prepared mind. Or in hockey terms, a good bounce needs to fall to a good stockholder. Or in general terms, when you (fortunately) bump into that girl you’re into, let’s hope you brushed your teeth and aren’t wearing your pajamas. The boy scout motto, etc.

I appreciate what you said, though I’ve been bitter and mean to the Rangers franchise on many occasions. In high school and college… to their fans as well.

But I think NHL 24-7 reveals that the players are just regular guys doing their best, the fans and staff are passionate and human. So, I guess I’ve come round. It’s just sport. I want the Devils to win and, unlike MLB or NFL, both local teams cannot coexist. The results are too intertwined. Some conflict is necessary but there’s rarely a good time to be snippy about it.

by Alan Wright on Feb 1, 2012 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Was at the game

And was watching it from a pretty close distance.
The penalty call on AA was made by an outside ref and the play was behind rangers net.
Dubinsky and Richards were the worst players on the ice. Callahan’s turnover was brutal and unnecessary. Devils had only one line and that line won the game. Fatso made a couple of good saves though.

by 68 Forever on Feb 1, 2012 8:32 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sounds about right.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly right.

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Have to Capitalize on Mistakes

The Devils turned the puck over numerous times right in front of Brodeur- yet the Rangers got bupkus. They have to hammer home turnovers. and just to pick on one player in particular- when did Anisimov turn into the “Hands of Stone” man. While he plays defense relatively well he cannot score- no touch whatsoever. For a guy his size he gets knocked on his ass constantly. The boy needs to man up.

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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m hoping the Rangers stay patient with him, and bring in some outside help so he can work on his muscle/conditioning. I think if he gains strength and speed defensemen will have to play off him, which will give him room for his shot.

It’ll come around, he’s still 23. We just need to be patient.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

get knocked on his ass a lot

by rmg10 on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The PP, AGAIN!!!!

As I’ve said, ad nauseum, the Rangers will live or die with the PP, and so far they’re dying! You just CAN’T keep giving up chances to score, without it coming back to bite you. What the hell is wrong with the coaching staff? Can’t they see what’s obvious to everyone else? The PP SUCKS, and something has to be done——-NOW!
What to do? I’m not sure, buit I’m not being paid the big bucks, they are. If they have no clue, they have to go!

by miatajay on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

PP

once again, the dump ins and the perimeter passing don’t work. the only thing that generated any scoring chances was the immediate attack. carry it in and rush the goal so the PK can’t set up. everything else fails.

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by dsteak on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what happens when you let them get set up, stand around and not force the defenders to move with you. So many shooting/passing lanes get blocked due to lack of movement—I think we’ve discussed this ad nauseum the past couple of months.

Between that and trying to set up the perfect cross-ice tap-in, the PP makes me want to take up drinking.

by Kritikal on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Dying??? really?

Aucune clause de Mouvement

by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe they were rusty after the all star break

by nyr121 on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

If we have a bad showing tonight vs Buffalo, then worry a bit. Just not our night last night. I do hope they stay patient with AA and Dubi, I can see them becoming monsters on other teams

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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't like the shooters either but Dubinsky's no great shakes when it comes to the shootout either.

Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, and Stepan are combined a career 4-for-33 in the shootouts with each scoring only 1 goal apiece. Callahan’s 1-for-10, Anisimov 1-for-9, and Stepan and Dubinsky a career 1-for-7. John Mitchell has as many goals as those four combined in just 8 attempts. For all of Gaborik’s shootout foibles, they’re worse.

For what it’s worth the two Rangers with best career SO percentage (minimum 20 attempts) were in the press box last night in Wojtek Wolski and Erik Christensen. It’s easy for the Devils to pick three shooters because their most talented forwards (Kovy, Elias, and Parise and Sykora isn’t a bad option in his own right) all have pretty good numbers in it and aren’t 4th liners whose sole skill is scoring in a shootout.

I have always thought Marian Gaborik’s game simply isn’t conducive to the shootout and that’s fine. Where he excels is 5-on-5 play because he’s so damn quick with the puck (especially along the boards) and has a crazy quick release that wreaks havoc in the traffic areas. Much of his game is speed and elusiveness/deception and I’d rather have someone who can back defensemen off than a shootout specialist any day of the week. His shootout attempts are always very deliberate, like he’s trying to add some deception into a shootout they really doesn’t reward deception but creativity.

Would I like a team that can win shootouts? Sure, but I’ll take guys who excel in even strength over the shootout specialist, who is essentially rendered worthless come playoff time unless they can contribute otherwise (ie MZA last year).

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by Five-Tool Tool on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

PP stats

Given all the talk about how our PP sucks and will inevitably lead to the team’s demise (a premise that I wasn’t sure I agreed with given the Rangers success this season), and being the numbers geek I am, I decided to look at some statistics. As George says, “numbers don’t lie—they just don’t agree with you.”

Overall—meaning all games included—the Rangers PP ranks 25th in the league at 13.9%. This is below the league average of 17.3% and the median of 17.9%. What difference would it make in the win-loss column if the Rangers could improve to just an average PP?

So, I started by focusing on the 17 games this season where the Rangers have either lost outright or come away with only 1 point. For those games, the Rangers are 4 for 61 (6.6 PP%). If you disregard as an outlier the Oct. 29 shootout loss to the Sens, in which the Rangers PP went 2 for 4, the PP “success” for the 16 losses or OTLs drops to 2 for 57 (3.5%). Applying the league average or median to those PP opportunities, the Rangers could expect to convert on 11 of 61 (or 10 of 57 ignoring the Sens game) PP opportunities. That’s a delta of 7/8 PP goals scored.

But would those goals, spread out over 16 or 17 games make a difference? Probably not enough to overcome the handful of 4-1, 3-0, and 4-0 losses. But what about the four SO losses, the one OT loss, and the four close losses (two 1-goal games and two 2-goal losses with an empty netter)? Seems to me that the Rangers could have won a handful of those and been sitting even higher atop the standings. But it’s not the standings I’m so concerned about, as the Rangers are finding ways to win without the PP. It’s the playoffs that have me worried. Sure, Boston won with a weak PP last year. But given the choice between a weak PP and even an average PP come playoff time, when the games are often decided by only a goal or two, what would you rather have?

And not to get too greedy, but what if instead of just an average PP, we had a really good PP. The Top 5 average is 21.6%. For the games above, that would amount to an extra 9 or 10 PP goals. I’d feel alot better about the team’s ability to make a deep playoff run if we were even just average. And if—like Lake Wobegon—we were above average, well that would be ok too.

by Teddvanb on Feb 1, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

NUMBERS!!!

Ok, I’ll bite. I’m also trusting your numbers are 100% accurate here.

So in the 31 games the Rangers have won, the PP is thus 19 for 105. (18.0%) We should have some outliers here too though. I’m obviously not going to toss out every 0-fer, but I’d say any game of 0 for 4 (or greater, which isn’t applicable for now) in a win would be considered an outlier. So I’ve got 4 such games like that. That takes us to 19 for 89 in those wins (21.3%). Take those down to league average, and you’re at 18 for 105 (or 15 for 89 ignoring the outliers). That’s a delta of 1/4 PP goals scored.

Which now gives you a total delta in all games of 4-7 goals, depending on which outliers you want/don’t want to use. Of course, we could save all that math and just compare and multiply our 166 attempts by league average numbers, and determine if we were average, we’d have 5.7 more goals, which is basically the average of our methods and saves a lot of time without limiting sample size any more than it needs to be.

You’re right, in a blowout those goals don’t matter, but in a tight game they would. So you really just look at the big picture. 3 goals = 1 standings point, on average. So using the 5.7 number, round it to 6, and you’re talking about 2 standings points, or 1 win our PP has cost us this year in 48 games, so if it keeps up, figure 2 wins.

The Atlantic will probably be close enough that 4 standing points is the difference between a 1/2 seed and a 4/5 seed, so it’s not insignificant. It’s not going to make or break our season though.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

NUMBERS!!!

Somebody get this man a moist towel and a cigarette.

by Caerid11 on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But I don’t want our numbers to come down to the league average for the games we’ve won. I only want them to improve for purposes of the games we’ve lost. ; )

Seriously, I knew someone would have a better perspective on this. There’s simply too many variables to say with any confidence what games would turned out differently with a better PP.

I’ll go out on a limb here and say that I think we can all agree that, everything else being equal, it wouldn’t hurt to have a better PP. I’m glad the numbers suggest that it’s not going to be our downfall though.

by Teddvanb on Feb 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And Ive done the calculations that in a full 7 game series the difference between a 15%PP and a 20% PP is 1.4 goals.

If you lose a series on 1.4 goals it is safe to say there were other issues at hand outside of the PP.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a point, but I can’t agree with you 100% on that. In series that go 7 games, how many of those games are generally decided by 1 goal? I don’t have the answer, but I know we have our share of 1 goal games, in the regular season or playoffs. If it went from 15% to 20% in the regular season, how many PP goals is that? 10 or 12? If it were 10 goals, of those 10 games, how many are 1 goal games? 3? 6 points in the standings is a lot. 1.4 goals in say, a game 4 of a series could be the difference between tying a series 2-2 or going down 3-1.

I agree that 5 v 5 is most important and only a small part of the game is the PP, but it is stupid to think that improving from 15% to 20% would not make a discernible difference. It would, and not just statistically.

by BigB22 on Feb 1, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Our PP issues have NOTHING, 0, nada, nil, zilch etc. IMHO to do with %ages or how many more goals it would improve on, or it adding another 2 points to our standings.

It’s about having the PP be a threat and at minimum scoring timely goals. Right now, our PP actually loses this team momentum. I don’t think anybody can dispute that. Hell, on most of our PPs the team on the PK generates the better scoring chance, and they gain momentum from it.

Another thing is timely goals. %s don’t matter if a PP scores to make a game 4-0. It matters a LOT when it wins us a game, and our game against Boston was the perfect example. If a team takes a bad penalty against you, or you get a PP late in a game that will either tie or win that game, it’s an opportunity the team cannot fail with.

I don’t care if our PP is #1 in the league, because a #1 PP can score a bunch of meaningless ‘fluff’ goals, whereas a bottom-ranked PP may not score many, but they can still score that important game-winner. Our PP looks so awful that I don’t even feel they can score that important goal (Boston was a 4 on 3 on a goal scored with 3 seconds left…so it’s kind of a moot point come playoff time).

by Caerid11 on Feb 1, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And we gain momentum from our PK, our cycling, our board work etc… Momentum is a fickle bitch. you cant have it all the time. Sure we might lose it if we have a poor powerplay but there are times when even after a bad powerplay the other team doesn’t take momentum. It is not absolute.

Of course it would be great to have a dominate powerplay but its not like we are giving up a ton of shg (3). So at the very least we get 4-8min of the other team not scoring and get right back to dominating 5on5.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 2, 2012 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not arguing it would not make a difference, it would of course. But how do you plan on getting there?

Trade? Do we really think 1 person is going to come in and make a 5% difference? What do we have to give up for that? And if we trade for a PP specialist how much 5on5 scoring and defense do we lose? Rob Peter to pay Paul….

Fire Sully? This is a guy that runs the defense and PK. I would venture to say that this would have an absolute negative effect.

The team is +3 on special teams. We are winning games and will lose games from our 5on5 play.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 2, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions  

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