Why the players you think suck might actually not.
One thing you can always count on with Ranger fandon (or NY fandom for that matter) is a whipping boy no matter how successful the team is.
So who are the whipping boyz of 11/12? Names I see included are Boyle, Anisimov, Dubi, WW, Avery , EC and Rupp.
Let us tackle the obvious:
Rupp: After his performance in Florida and the WC I think that will shut up most for the time being. But bottom line is he has not played enough to warrant any conclusive whippings. Silly stat but interesting none the less. For all forwards that have played 10 games or more, Rupp is 2nd in the league with Goals per 60. Behind Stamkos and ahead of Gabby, Toews; etc... (Haggs is 26th)
EC: Can't defend this one. Whip away!
WW: Has not played enough to warrant any whippings.....yet
Avery: Not on the team so irrelevant
Dubi: So far few can really defend this one. He needs to step up. The Rangers need him to step up. But he has shown over the past few games that he might be turning the corner. Holster the whip for the time being.
Now the less obvious:
Anisimov: I don't know what games you are watching but AA has really taken his game to the next step. When I watch the GAS line to me it is AA that is driving the rushes. His defensive plays in the defensive zone and transition game has really been feeding that line. Sure Step and Gabby have been good a well but to not include AA (who is being asked to not play his natural position) is a shame. Proof you ask?
- AA is tied with Gabby for the Rangers lead in Points/per 60min which is also good for 43rd in the league.
- He is 26th in the league for Primary assists per 60. Best on the Rangers by a good margin.
- 2nd on the team with Secondary assists per 60. Good for 32nd in the league.
If going by just pure production, AA is our 2nd best forward after Gabby. Sure it would be great if he could pot a few more. True he is not facing the type of competition he was last year so it is nice to see what the kid can do without going against top competition. I said it before and I still stand by it, he will be our mini-Datsyuk in a few years.
Boyle: Yeah I admit it, I was one of those people who thought Boyle could reproduce, or at least come close to, his production from last year. Does that mean his year is a disappointment? Offensively, yeah if you expected him to score 20+ goals. Defensively? Not at all. He IS our defensive forward. Proof?
- Only 6 other forwards in the ENTIRE league have started in the defensive zone more than Boyle.
- For forwards that have started in the Def zone more than the off zone (51 to 100% Dzone starts) only 14 players in the entire league have been on the ice for less goals against per 60min.
- In fact, if you look at forwards that start in the dzone 60%+ of the time only 4 have a positive +/- per 60. Boyle is 3rd out of those 4
- Ranks 25th in league with defensive zone faceoffs won. Which is a 54% def zone winning percentage. BR 48%; Dubi 47%
Is he playing Selke level? No, but he is our MacT. Those that want to trade him I offer you one question (ok, three questions). Who will replace him in that role? Who on the team will start that much in the D zone and not have their offense impacted? And who is going to win those face offs? That is one of our weakest spots and might actually be the cause of our death come playoff time.
I know I did not go deep into other adv. stats but I did look at them and none of them would indicate that AA or Boyle 'suck' despite the numbers above.
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Nice work BiP. AA’s and Boyle’s defensive games are highly overlooked.
Would be nice for AA to get going a bit and pot some goals, but I don’t think it’s from lack of effort. He may not be considered the prototypical ‘center’ on the GAS line, but he’s always the guy on that line covering in the D-zone and back-checking like mad. I think he’s comfortable in that support role, leaving Stepan and Gaborik to create offense and take more chances.
I mentioned something similar about Boyle I think in a game thread; he’s playing exactly to what his role is on this team. Last season was more of an aberration in terms of scoring. Torts relied on him heavily since Stepan was still young, and AA still developing, he was the go-to center. Now with another year under the belt’s of AA and Stepan, and Richards being signed, Boyle’s pretty much been relegated to a defensive-first center, and doing that job quite well. He might get some more scoring in if Dubinsky continues to score and stays on that line.
AA has been arguably our best player this year, if you are looking at both sides of the ice.
His importance on the GAS line cannot be downplayed. Every single 2v1 stems from AA making the defensive play. He’s also more reliable in the face-off circle than anyone on our team not named Dubinsky.
Boyle is playing his game and doing what we need him too. No complaints there.
With Wolski, he looked good this season before he went down. I’d like to see what he does when he comes back before I comment.
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I don’t really have any whipping boys on this team other than rozsival and poti…
Ok, back to the present.
Early on in the season I was hard on MDZ (even though I want no part in trading him) and I sometimes find myself yelling at him for missing the net from the top of the circle…or for taking the shot when nobody is screening the goalie.
Same goes for dubi this season, HIT the net! Sure he’s picked it up the last couple of games and he was as important in that gwg in the wc as richards was. But he’s had hands made out of stone all season long and hopefuly he continues his recent production in the 2nd half of the season.
EC and WW are very similar in my opinion. They are both skilled players who get lazy. To be quite honest, I feel like I was in this boat when I played for my HS team. I had the hands and smarts but somehow I found myself struggling some games and got benched for it. Its not that I didn’t care its just that I couldn’t find that extra jump even though I was in better shape than most guys on the team. There were some games were I just needed a goal, a good hit, shot block, or anything to get my coach to double shift me to boost my confidence and get me going. Either way, we need 1 of them to stay with us throughout the playoffs incase of injuries, preferably WW. If he gets on a roll, I’m sure wed forgive him for his time spent in the tub.
I know they make mistakes as everyone does here and there, but I never ever find myself getting mad at Steps, Cally, DannyG, or McD (staal in previous seasons). I know they care and I know they work there asses off so even though ill admit to them doing something the wrong way, I can never make them my whipping boys.
Last but not least, other than Boyle, one player I’m a little down on is Prusty. He seemed a lot more sharper last season and always seemed to make the right play with the rare goal here and there. This year I see him turning the puck over in the nuetral zone and not being able to produce (geez, he is a 4th line guy but still). I still love him though and would hate to see him traded.
Overall, I like this team and I feel like everyone is buying into the coaches system physically and mentally. Why mentally? Well look at all the guys we have and tell me how many premadonna attitudes there are. Seems to me like other tan EC, nobody.
Judging from interviews, 24/7, and how they react to certain situations, gabby is a straight forward dude who likes to joke around with a straight face and who accepts torts criticism. BR is a proud hardworking pro who doesn’t mess around. DannyG is a nice dude but someone who puts his team first. Rarely do I see McD smile. MDZ turned into a serious hardass. No need to point out how serious Hank is. I could go on forever. But it seems like we don’t have any enigmas or guys that just don’t fit on the team. Everyone has the same mentality and it has a lot to do with torts.
Btw let’s get a win tonight, ill be there!
by polishBLUE on Jan 5, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rupp: After his performance in Florida and the WC I think that will shut up most for the time being. But bottom line is he has not played enough to warrant any conclusive whippings. Silly stat but interesting none the less. For all forwards that have played 10 games or more, Rupp is 2nd in the league with Goals per 60. Behind Stamkos and ahead of Gabby, Toews; etc… (Haggs is 26th)
Wasn’t Avery top 5 in this category? I remember reading that a bit back.
He is…but the stat itself is near irrelevant and since Avery most likely wont be play another NHL game this year, even more irrelevant.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 5, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well than it’s irrelevant for Rupp as well..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Let’s not kid ourselves.. Rupp wouldn’t be competing for the Richard Trophy if he was getting 20 minutes a night. But that’s perfectly fine, we didn’t sign him to do that. What’s important is that he’s useful when he plays and occasional offensive contributions keep him relevant in addition to his enforcer/energy role. He may not have liked what he said upon watching 24/7 ep. 3, but it was pretty accurate, I thought. There’s no room for guys like Shelley in today’s NHL.
I agree, but I’m making the comment that you literally also just described Avery.
That’s exactly my point.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
And that describes a bunch of other players in the league. Should we discus them as well? No, because this is a discussion of current Rangers. Discussing Avery at this point is irrelevant because he is when it comes to this team.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 7, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well how irrelevant was it in the WC?
I said ‘near’ irrelevant because although he wont even be confused with the company he is in with that stat, he still has been effective and scored some goals with limited ice time.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Because you are using a statistic to support a player but calling the very same statistic “near irrelevant” when it deals with another player.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Great post
It’s funny how many angry words I see get written over the 4th liners. Rupp, EC, Avery being the source of constant debate when they get so little ice time.
Then there are the people that are so willing to trade a couple of core homegrown players, for which the fanbase had been yearning for a decade plus.
In the cap era it’s tough to be strong at every position and for every line to fully realize it’s respectful role. Some guys might not be living up to larger contracts but those contracts were typically earned with a substantial track record and are due to escalating salaries of players developing past their entry level contracts and buying out some free agent years.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 5, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions
I like to think
Boyle is our bigger, and better producing Blair Betts.
The only people on this team Im not in complete support of are Wolski & EC. You saw Wolski hasnt played enough to be judged fairly, I think his past performance is enough in my eyes. I dont want him in the lineup in place of someone who is currently there. In my opinion him & EC arent needed on this team unless an injury occurs.
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Good post
No one at the NHL level sucks by the way. Unless the player skates like Cam Janssen, then they truly suck.
EC has his head in the clouds and I swear he’s dumb as a rock when it comes to hockey sense. He has the skill of a top 6 forward but the hockey sense of a 2 year old.
Wolski I think doesn’t play solid enough defense to warrant a spot on the team yet and if he isn’t going to get top 6 minutes well he shouldn’t be playing at all. Sadly, Wolski is lumped into that category of player with Zherdev, Kotalik, Antropov, and Frolov. Great hands but can’t really do much else.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions
Dubinsky has played well this season. His play away from the puck has been awesome, he’s one of the tops on the team for assists, and he’s had that physical edge to his play. The only thing that has really not been good is his finishing. For a while he didn’t look like himself on the offensive side of the puck, but now he is turning it around. Last night against the Panthers was a great game for him, unfortunately no goal. Dubi should no way be a whipping boy.
For Boyle, almost the same as Dubi. Good defense and nice physical play, his problem (I guess besides his finishing) is that he’s getting less minutes (and less offensive zone starts) due to BR being added to the team and Stepan becoming a better offensive player. Boyle as well should not be a whipping boy.
Anisimov? Please, one of the best 2 way forwards in the game. Like you said he will be a mini-Datsyuk, which is exactly what I think of him to turn out to be as well. One he gets fully in him prime around 26-28, he will be one of the best players in the league, very underrated player. Anisimov is not even close to being a whipping boy.
WW hasn’t played much this year, Avery played well for us when he was on the ice, and Rupp has been solid.
Screw EC
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Well said.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Despite Boyle’s obvious drop in production he is playing the way he needs to play….as is Dubi….Remember, Boyle got crazy minutes on the second line last season due to injuries, thats the only reason his production skyrocketed, when the team got healthy in March…..he got 8 minutes a game and never scored another point. EC is just terrible, I don’t think we will see him play again……but I do have a spot in my mens league if he wants in. We could use him in the shoot out.
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