How Would You Feel if Dubinsky Was Traded?
Obviously the Rangers have been involved in a ton of trade rumors lately, especially on this site. The one name that gets thrown around a lot that stands out is forward Brandon Dubinsky. Just a year ago he was a young scorer who appeared to be a cornerstone for the Blueshirts moving forward, yet trading him makes sense for a couple of major reasons.
He has a ton to offer a team; he is only 25, and in his first four full seasons he racked up 71 goals and 179 points. Dubinsky has also demonstrated solid two-way ability, and excels at penalty killing. However, this year the offense is way down. With just 6 goals at the 50 game mark, Dubi has found himself on the 3rd line. It is very likely that many teams out there believe that with the right line mates and ice time, he can be back to his 25+ goals a year ways.
The other major reason is money. The Rangers are rumored to want another big name player, whether it be Rick Nash at the deadline or Parise next summer. With three players already inked to monster contracts, some things would have to be moved around to accommodate another 6-7 million a year cap hit. Dubinsky is a cap hit of over 4 million, and all things considered that is simply too much for his output. As harsh as it may sound, Sather knows he can get a 10-goal scorer for about 3 million less. Were the Rangers to make a move for a big player, trading Dubi would likely cover over half of the cap hit.
Personally I'm torn. On one hand it would be kind of sad to see him go. It reminds me of that episode in every TV show where a team works hard and makes it to the big game, only to bring in some superstar who takes someone's place. But on the other hand I realize this is a business, and hometown loyalty goes out the window for money and wins (thank you Jose Reyes). So how would you guys feel about this?
(PS: This was my first fan post so constructive criticism is definitely welcomed)
(PPS: Please don't turn this into another Rick Nash trade thread haha)
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To simply response to the title of your post, and I did read the actually meat of the post, I would be very sad. Not because I think the Rangers are or aren’t doing the right thing, but because I’ve grown to see Dubi as a part of the Ranger core. Sure, he hasn’t done much to earn his paycheck is terms of pure point scoring but I’d like to think there are intangibles and a certain something Dubi brings to the club and that the points will come. I’m really, REALLY biased though because I really like Dubinsky soooo take all this for whatever it’s worth.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 12, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions
I would initially be quite upset. He hasn’t earned his paycheck this year, but he’s playing very well and its bound to turn around. I would miss him a lot and I think people underestimate how important the chemistry on this team is.
They all play for each other, and trading players could have a negative effect on us.
Now, if you can make a trade that improves the team, than you do it. Of course the issue is everyone has a different opinion of what improves the team.
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I think people underestimate how important the chemistry on this team is.
I agree. I don’t know how important making a trade really is for this team. I almost feel as if any trade I cant think of would just upset the chemistry of the team and hurt more than help.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 12, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he isnt traded. I’d feel awful for him honestly after watching him for years and liking him and then to see him go from the #1 team in the NHL to a hockey black-hole like Columbus (most likely destination). Duby has been a big part of the rebuild and it’d be a shame if he left as the process has the potential to really take off but this is a business first and foremost.
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Yeah, for the record Im not in favor of trading anyone from the roster, for chemistry reasons like you guys stated, but obviously dubi is no longer untouchable.
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions
I have a very strong feeling Dubi is involved in a trade for Carter
similar cap hits, Carter is a proven goal scorer, with the right line mates and the right town (NY :) he will excel.
the only bad thing is his contract length, but as people have said if he sucks we can buy out/bury him in the minors for the last three years.
I bet a trade goes something like this, Dubi + MZA/JAM + First Rounder for Carter.
you wouldn't need that much for carter. not right now anyway.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
well i hope so
i really wouldn’t mind to see Dubi go for someone like Carter, but for a prospect fuck no, we don’t trade him unless its for someone we can use for a cup run this season
by rain-g-errs on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
1st rounder and Dubi? No chance…..it should not cost more to get him than CBJ paid.
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Well, Columbus traded a top-10 first rounder and young forward who was more critical to Nash’s success than almost everyone initially thought. A Rangers first in 2012 would be 25-30, I bet, and in what a lot of people are now saying is a thin draft. Voracek has put up more points than Dubinsky every year through their draft year, also (matching seasons by age), sometimes by a significant margin.
In short, I don’t think CBJ 1st + Voracek + 3rd < Dubinsky + NYR 1st.
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, but there is no way CBJ gets in return what they gave up.
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I wouldn't be pissed to see him go.
I mean depends who we get in return. If it’s to bring in a big fish fine, but not for a first or second round draft pick. It would make me feel less upset if the rangers traded him for a bona-fide player, but if they traded him for a kreider-esque prospect then i’d be upset.
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions
dont wanna trade dubi for carter…dubi is a type of player you need in the playoffs…hes gonna be that player who does whatever it takes to win the game. Carter may have more talent but dubi has more heart and a hell of lot more grit to his game. I say let dubi play out of his funk and look for someone a lot cheaper
by nutz_35 on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
AYE.
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Yup
You know when Dubi is going to nap out of his funk? IN THE PLAYOFFS! I’d hate to see him go as he’s become one of my favorite players. Sure, he hasn’t earned his raise this season with offensive stats, but he is a heart and soul player on this team. He will put it back together and when he does it will be perfectly timed to take this team deep into the playoffs.
I would never want to see Dubi go.
And I honestly don’t feel he will go: he will be here for the remainder of this season (IMO). I still see WW, Zucc, Eminger, St. Croix and a pick for Nash. Or, just WW and Woywitka for Carter.
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by Danz10 on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Realistically maybe we’ll see a Wolski, MZA, Tank or something for a rental. I’d be okay with that. (I wish we could get Prospal)
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we can't just throw them all our cap hits lol
they don’t want WW and Eminger i don’t think, and especially not Woywitka lol why would they want him some 6th string D whose half injured lol
by rain-g-errs on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
lol yeah eminger and woywitka are irrelevant
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 13, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
Dubi’s my 2nd favorite player on the team but business is business. If he gets me Nash, Parise, or Ryan, which I think is the only players he goes for then I would have to accept it. The goal is the Cup not who plays on the team. That’s an incidental benefit. The only untradeable player on this team is the King. He is irreplaceable.
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just draft another goalie in the 7th round?
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
we could but I have a gut feeling that player won’t be as good as what we have. just a gut feeling, lol.
Why not? Late round Europeans/Russians are the way to go.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
true, you never know right? hedberg doing a very good job of scouting in Europe.
by Richter1994 on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'd hate to see Dubi gone, but I doubt he would be traded
he’s such a huge part of the Rangers’ identity. If someone gets traded for Nash, it will not be Dubi (hopefully)
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by feslenraster on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Everyone – from Sam and Joe, to Pierre Mcguire (shudders) talks about the Rangers and their identity as a team that will out-hustle you, block shots, throw hits, drop the gloves. The sort of stuff that says winning matters above all. Dubinsky personifies that and is one of a few to really carry that torch and lead by example.
I think it is safe to say that Carter’s character is a bit different. You don’t see too many 40 goal scorers suddenly shipped out of town. And then with what seems to be his tantrum and disinterest in playing for Columbus.
Nash might be a different story. And I’m biased toward Dubinsky. But while we’ve expected more from him in terms of scoring, I would be sad to see him go after what he’s done to help turn around the organization and transform them into an exciting team that is fun to root for.
reminds me of 94
Didnt Smith make some trades that at the time were unpopular? Cant remember all the specifics but I think Gartner was one of the casualties. He was hugely popular and a very prolific scorer.
I guess the summary is, you root for the logo on the front and not the name on the back.
Which sucks for me, b/c I have a Dubi jersey. First player jersey I have ever bought in 30 years. Usually, I dont add a name on the back.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
I was truly upset around 94 when Gartner, Amonte, Turcotte, and Weight were shipped out. All fan favorites, and with the exception of Gartner, all young talents. I remember the “kid line” and watching how much those guys loved the game. It was great to watch those guys, who seemed to genuinely enjoy playing with each other.
I was too “green” at that time to understand the business side of hockey, and I really disliked the moves. However, winning the cup was the greatest sporting event I have ever witnessed, and sacrifices must be made sometimes. On the flip side, I had to endear watching Weight and Amonte light up the NHL for the rest of their careers, and wonder what if we kept them? Could we have won the cup with them? If so, could we have won 2 or 3 in that time span? Guess we will never know. I fear the same fate if Dubi gets shipped out. I feel he will one day captain a team, and have a prosperous career similar to Amonte and Weight.
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by middletownbull on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Dubi is not in the same class as Weight or Amonte, both were highly skilled offensive players.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
True, Dubinsky is not in the same class, but....
That’s not the point I was making. The situation is similar in the way that, Amonte and Weight were young talents that were producing early in their careers. Amonte’s career jumped off to a tremendous start with two 30 goal campaigns for us. He then hit a bit of a lull on the third year, which made him good trade bait. Same as with Dubinsky, as he has not had a good start this year, but has produced well in his previous years.
Weight really didn’t rack up the points until he was shipped to Edmonton. I fear this would happen with Dubinsky. Dubi could easily find his game and be a 60 point player for the next four years.
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by middletownbull on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I was truly upset around 94 when Gartner, Amonte, Turcotte, and Weight were shipped out. All fan favorites, and with the exception of Gartner, all young talents. I remember the “kid line” and watching how much those guys loved the game. It was great to watch those guys, who seemed to genuinely enjoy playing with each other.
I was too “green” at that time to understand the business side of hockey, and I really disliked the moves. However, winning the cup was the greatest sporting event I have ever witnessed, and sacrifices must be made sometimes. On the flip side, I had to endear watching Weight and Amonte light up the NHL for the rest of their careers, and wonder what if we kept them? Could we have won the cup with them? If so, could we have won 2 or 3 in that time span? Guess we will never know. I fear the same fate if Dubi gets shipped out. I feel he will one day captain a team, and have a prosperous career similar to Amonte and Weight.
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by middletownbull on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
its all coming back to me. Yeah losing Weight and Amonte was tough. it mortgaged the future big time. but in hindsight, it won us a Cup. Its hard to be to greedy when all we wanted was to end the Curse.
but now that we cultivate from within, I’d rather not mortgage the future. plus, the salary cap has made it a different game. not saying we will win the Cup multiple times, but it would be nice to contend for a spell.
cant remember the last time that happened.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to keep Dubi here but I realize that some times you have to give up a popular player with talent to get what you need in trade…..as well as shed cap to do it, unfortunately I don’t think we can give up Wolski, Avery and MZA to get Carter. If it can be done for prospects like McIIrath, V Tank and Thomas…….I’d go for it in a second.
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he isn’t putting up offensive numbers in line with his 4 full years, but he has a significant role on a successful team. i don’t personally know, but i would reckon his teammates would not be happy.
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Depends on the return
If the Rangers trade Dubinsky and it adresses a need for a playoff run, IE scoring or top 4 veteran type D(not that we need one but experience helps) then I am ok with it. I said before that i feel Dubi is redundant on THIS team. Rangers have several guys that do what he does. I like him but I wouldnt be heartbroken if he helps us get what we need.
Also I wouldnt say racked up 79 goals, thats far from great but that’s just semantics! :)
You think he’s redundant, and I think he’s what defines.
IMO the reason we do so well is because we have so many players like him, guys that give their own goals up for the overall good of the team. Guys that skate hard every shift, hit, fight, and block shots. Guys that are great on defense, and have contributed enough to keep us in 1st place.
Trading him for a more skilled player who doesn’t care as much could fuck with the chemistry hard-core.
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Depends on the situation and what we got for him.
I’d probably be maudlin though.
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Honestly, if Dubi got traded...
I’d probably cry. I mean I really love the guy, he almost exemplifies the entire Ranger team in his play. The willingness to do anything to win, great PKer, hits almost everything, fights when he has to, stands up for his teammates, plays very good defense, and even has some scoring problems (his are worse than the teams though lol). But, I really do love Dubi, I mean if we got a great return or a steal of a trade, then I’d be happy, but only after getting over the fact that Dubi wouldn’t be a Ranger anymore. I’m sure Sather won’t send him away in a bad trade, but it is a possibility even with Sather’s great trades in the last 5 years.
I just remember Dubi being a prospect a few years ago and then seeing him come up with the Rangers and to what he has become now, I’d be sad. Almost like trading away Callahan, I think of him in the same light as Dubi. They both know exactly what it means, to “be a Ranger”.
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Dubi seems more of an arrogant selfish player when compared with Callahan who is just an example of pure class, both on and off the ice.
I’m not sure where how you see Dubi as an arrogant or selfish player.
I see him as the complete opposite.
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maybe selfish is the wrong word, from interviews he seems like the exact opposite personality i think a hockey player should have. Girardi would be a perfect example of what i mean, the guy is always a class act.
I just don’t see it, but fair enough.
As far as personalities go, Richards is quite dull.
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And Henrik is charming.
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arrogant in what way?
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just seems like it from interviews, he seems to be full of himself all the time even when hes struggling lol.
I can’t understand that viewpoint.
He’s a working man, and wants to make the most possible while he can. I don’t understand why we could dislike him for it.
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Exactly.
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Honestly, not that bad.
He put himself in this position. You want to hold out, ask for big money you better produce. If you want to stay somewhere then make it easy to keep you, play above what you are paid so they would be crazy to trade you.
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